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2012-09-27 07:56:30 PM

Crudbucket: No one touch anything, we're caught in a time loop.


It's okay, lemme just divide by zero real qu--
 
2012-09-27 10:28:53 PM

Snapper Carr: Science_Guy_3.14159: I think this is a temporal causality loop, I learned about them on star trek, if we don't touch anything we could cause a paradox

No. The the only way to break out of a time loop is to do something different from each previous loop.


But maybe that's what we though last time and it caused us to wind up back here!
 
2012-09-27 11:24:36 PM

ChiefBoss: If I remember those old Star Trek episodes correctly, to fix this we need to polarize the main deflector dish


No, you need to reverse the polarity. It's just might work.
 
2012-09-28 10:23:08 PM

DemoKnite: I was never big on the fact that they could travel through space as well as time, where Doc and Marty could travel through time, but always ended up in the same location. That always seemed more plausible to me.


Because 30 years ago "here" was oriented in the exact same spot in the universe as it is now...

/time travel is always time and space travel
 
2012-09-29 08:18:25 AM
The female host and Austin Powers are twins
 
2012-09-29 09:20:13 AM
For time travel movies, Primer cannot be beat.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/primer-chart.jpg
 
2012-09-29 09:45:07 AM
Ok guys:
When we get a time machine lets remember to go back in time and prevent this video from being made
 
2012-09-29 09:47:27 AM

legendary: For time travel movies, Primer cannot be beat.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/primer-chart.jpg


legendary: For time travel movies, Primer cannot be beat.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/primer-chart.jpg


In the contest of, "worst time travel movie of all time," that is correct.
 
2012-09-29 09:48:33 AM
When Bill and Ted use time travel better than Starfleet, I think it's time to stop making time travel episodes.

Wait, what're we talking about again? Oh right. I agree with karasoth.
 
2012-09-29 09:50:09 AM

unlikely: When Bill and Ted use time travel better than Starfleet, I think it's time to stop making time travel episodes.

Wait, what're we talking about again? Oh right. I agree with karasoth.


However: What my statement seems to demonstrate is we won't get access to a time machine

=(
 
2012-09-29 09:51:40 AM
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This was pretty bueno.
 
2012-09-29 10:03:31 AM
I'm sorry, Vin Diesel's Timecop is the best Time Travel movie ever, seconded by Superman when he flies backwards around the earth to travel back in time!
 
2012-09-29 10:04:17 AM
I'm trying to figure out if I find Ester attractive....
 
2012-09-29 10:04:56 AM
The hot cue card readers are wearing glasses so you know they're smart.
 
2012-09-29 10:05:08 AM

Crudbucket: No one touch anything, we're caught in a time loop.


I think this is a temporal causality loop, I learned about them on star trek, if we don't touch anything we could cause a paradox
 
2012-09-29 10:09:49 AM

Science_Guy_3.14159: Crudbucket: No one touch anything, we're caught in a time loop.

I think this is a temporal causality loop, I learned about them on star trek, if we don't touch anything we could cause a paradox


Like when you put crazy glue on a balloon
 
2012-09-29 10:12:45 AM

legendary: For time travel movies, Primer cannot be beat.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/primer-chart.jpg


Primer is one of my top 5 movies of all time.
 
2012-09-29 10:14:15 AM

Science_Guy_3.14159: Crudbucket: No one touch anything, we're caught in a time loop.

I think this is a temporal causality loop, I learned about them on star trek, if we don't touch anything we could cause a paradox


Or be run into by Frasier.

Is that a risk we're willing to take?
 
2012-09-29 10:15:31 AM
order. posted thread blown. Comments seem this Mind for of out
 
2012-09-29 10:17:43 AM
The best thing about Bill & Ted time travel was there announcing of intent to allow for use of future events in the past. (i.e. "I will stash the car keys in this plant later.")

That one boggled my little kiddie brain a bit. What if they never go back and actually do the task? Are they now cosmically obligated?
 
2012-09-29 10:17:57 AM
Primer had good time travel theories and a good story, but horrible storytelling.
Timecrimes had good time travel theories and an okay story, but an idiotic main character.
BaTEE had a great story and fun characters, but was kinda iffy on the theories.
BTTF was similar to BaTEE, but was more than iffy. Its theories all started with "if the plot requires..."
 
2012-09-29 10:18:02 AM
Two incredibly annoying voices on two very unattractive women.
 
2012-09-29 10:18:05 AM
Any good time travel movies on netflix, guys?
 
2012-09-29 10:18:35 AM
I wish I could travel to the past to unwatch that video.
 
2012-09-29 10:19:54 AM

nmemkha: The best thing about Bill & Ted time travel was there announcing of intent to allow for use of future events in the past. (i.e. "I will stash the car keys in this plant later.")

That one boggled my little kiddie brain a bit. What if they never go back and actually do the task? Are they now cosmically obligated?


As a (teenage) kid myself, I thought that they could have made a pretty awesome sequel where getting all those things done was the main plot.
 
2012-09-29 10:20:13 AM
I was never big on the fact that they could travel through space as well as time, where Doc and Marty could travel through time, but always ended up in the same location. That always seemed more plausible to me.
 
2012-09-29 10:21:11 AM

QT_3.14159: Any good time travel movies on netflix, guys?


Timecrimes (you should watch it. It's subtitled but very very good), Somewhere in Time (if you can stand the schmaltzy love story, there's a really novel method of time travel), Hot Tub Time Machine (shut up, I thought it was funny)
 
2012-09-29 10:21:38 AM

Yotto: nmemkha: The best thing about Bill & Ted time travel was there announcing of intent to allow for use of future events in the past. (i.e. "I will stash the car keys in this plant later.")

That one boggled my little kiddie brain a bit. What if they never go back and actually do the task? Are they now cosmically obligated?

As a (teenage) kid myself, I thought that they could have made a pretty awesome sequel where getting all those things done was the main plot.


I like your idea and it would have been a much better plot of a 2nd movie.

You should have gone for that Liberal Arts degree.
 
2012-09-29 10:22:00 AM

Snapper Carr: if you can stand the schmaltzy love story, there's a really novel method of time travel)


/offer void if you watch American Dad which parodies the film
 
2012-09-29 10:24:14 AM

DemoKnite: I was never big on the fact that they could travel through space as well as time, where Doc and Marty could travel through time, but always ended up in the same location. That always seemed more plausible to me.


I thought remaining in the same place made even less sense. When you consider that the Earth is rotating, and revolving around the sun (which is itself revolving around the galaxy), staying in the same place when traveling through time makes no sense at all.
 
2012-09-29 10:24:21 AM
I always though the Bill and Ted movies were the best version of Dr. Who from that time. I mean, Matt Smith never took anyone to see Station.
 
2012-09-29 10:25:31 AM
Let's Do The Time Warp Again!!!

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Link
 
2012-09-29 10:28:17 AM

Dinodork: I always though the Bill and Ted movies were the best version of Dr. Who from that time. I mean, Matt Smith never took anyone to see Station.


STATION!
 
2012-09-29 10:29:22 AM

QT_3.14159: Any good time travel movies on netflix, guys?


Amusingly, they had *2* Netflix ads, one of them done by the hosts of the show, and in neither of them did they say what time travel movies you could find there.
 
2012-09-29 10:29:40 AM
STATION!
 
2012-09-29 10:31:33 AM

QT_3.14159: Because 30 years ago "here" was oriented in the exact same spot in the universe as it is now...


Actually, it is. There is no universal frame of reference. So, it's perfectly valid to say that the point you're sitting at is stationary, and the rest of the universe is revolving around you. The physics works the same.

You know how the Earth is oblate due to its rotation (meaning, it bulges at the equator). It turns out that solving Einstein's equations gives you the exact same oblateness if you consider the earth to be stationary with the rest of the universe rotating around it.
 
2012-09-29 10:37:56 AM

nmemkha: Yotto: nmemkha: The best thing about Bill & Ted time travel was there announcing of intent to allow for use of future events in the past. (i.e. "I will stash the car keys in this plant later.")

That one boggled my little kiddie brain a bit. What if they never go back and actually do the task? Are they now cosmically obligated?

As a (teenage) kid myself, I thought that they could have made a pretty awesome sequel where getting all those things done was the main plot.

I like your idea and it would have been a much better plot of a 2nd movie.

You should have gone for that Liberal Arts degree.


Better: Make it a plot for the third movie

Bill and Ted are older, they created the human utopia....

Bill: Ted, I think we forgot something.......
 
2012-09-29 10:39:24 AM
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2012-09-29 10:39:54 AM

NeoCortex42: DemoKnite: I was never big on the fact that they could travel through space as well as time, where Doc and Marty could travel through time, but always ended up in the same location. That always seemed more plausible to me.

I thought remaining in the same place made even less sense. When you consider that the Earth is rotating, and revolving around the sun (which is itself revolving around the galaxy), staying in the same place when traveling through time makes no sense at all.


Yeah, i remember some short story about this guy creating a time machine, and at the end he finally tries it out, for the test he only does it a few minutes or so, but he pops back in the middle of space and sees the earth off in the distance before he asphyxiates.

Also.
 
2012-09-29 10:46:52 AM

DemoKnite: I was never big on the fact that they could travel through space as well as time, where Doc and Marty could travel through time, but always ended up in the same location. That always seemed more plausible to me.


If they ended up in the same place it would appear they were lost in deep space. Figure the earth is orbiting the sun AND turning. The sun is moving through the Milky Way, which itself is moving through the universe. We'll never notice because we're moving at relatively the same speed. But if you are traveling through time and appearing in the same place, it'd have to be the same place relative to everything else.

Since it's all made up, you can apply whatever rules you like, but it seems to me that you'd need a travel element to your time machine or you're in serious trouble when you jump.
 
2012-09-29 10:48:17 AM

Cyno01: Yeah, i remember some short story about this guy creating a time machine, and at the end he finally tries it out, for the test he only does it a few minutes or so, but he pops back in the middle of space and sees the earth off in the distance before he asphyxiates.

Also.



Reminds me of the opening of this show:
3.bp.blogspot.com

Sure, it wasn't the greatest time travel writing, but it was still a pretty fun show.
 
2012-09-29 10:48:45 AM
imgs.xkcd.com

Seriously, Primer broke my brain a little.

But I do tend to think that if time travel were possible, things would get as confusing as that. Once you throw the principle of temporal causality out the window, things can get downright confusing.
 
2012-09-29 10:55:38 AM
Looper sure went out of its way to try to make time travel interesting or useful...or something.
 
2012-09-29 10:58:41 AM

karasoth: nmemkha: Yotto: nmemkha: The best thing about Bill & Ted time travel was there announcing of intent to allow for use of future events in the past. (i.e. "I will stash the car keys in this plant later.")

That one boggled my little kiddie brain a bit. What if they never go back and actually do the task? Are they now cosmically obligated?

As a (teenage) kid myself, I thought that they could have made a pretty awesome sequel where getting all those things done was the main plot.

I like your idea and it would have been a much better plot of a 2nd movie.

You should have gone for that Liberal Arts degree.

Better: Make it a plot for the third movie

Bill and Ted are older, they created the human utopia....

Bill: Ted, I think we forgot something.......


In one of their divergent timelines, they created a futuristic dystopia where Ted must do battle with robots to save humanity.
 
2012-09-29 11:00:52 AM

Fano: karasoth: nmemkha: Yotto: nmemkha: The best thing about Bill & Ted time travel was there announcing of intent to allow for use of future events in the past. (i.e. "I will stash the car keys in this plant later.")

That one boggled my little kiddie brain a bit. What if they never go back and actually do the task? Are they now cosmically obligated?

As a (teenage) kid myself, I thought that they could have made a pretty awesome sequel where getting all those things done was the main plot.

I like your idea and it would have been a much better plot of a 2nd movie.

You should have gone for that Liberal Arts degree.

Better: Make it a plot for the third movie

Bill and Ted are older, they created the human utopia....

Bill: Ted, I think we forgot something.......

In one of their divergent timelines, they created a futuristic dystopia where Ted must do battle with robots to save humanity.


All right, surely we have some Farkers in Hollywood who can make this happen... I'd LOVE an old guy Bill & Ted's movie. Especially if it wasn't bad...
 
2012-09-29 11:04:06 AM
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Yo mama.
 
2012-09-29 11:04:35 AM

unlikely: DemoKnite: I was never big on the fact that they could travel through space as well as time, where Doc and Marty could travel through time, but always ended up in the same location. That always seemed more plausible to me.

If they ended up in the same place it would appear they were lost in deep space. Figure the earth is orbiting the sun AND turning. The sun is moving through the Milky Way, which itself is moving through the universe. We'll never notice because we're moving at relatively the same speed. But if you are traveling through time and appearing in the same place, it'd have to be the same place relative to everything else.


I'd like to think that if you're smart enough to design the flux capacitor then working out the geometery would be trivial. However, we're talking about a crazy person who saw a vision after falling off his toilet.

/69 dudes!
 
2012-09-29 11:05:31 AM

karasoth: Better: Make it a plot for the third movie


Please don't.
 
2012-09-29 11:08:01 AM

unlikely: DemoKnite: I was never big on the fact that they could travel through space as well as time, where Doc and Marty could travel through time, but always ended up in the same location. That always seemed more plausible to me.

If they ended up in the same place it would appear they were lost in deep space. Figure the earth is orbiting the sun AND turning. The sun is moving through the Milky Way, which itself is moving through the universe. We'll never notice because we're moving at relatively the same speed. But if you are traveling through time and appearing in the same place, it'd have to be the same place relative to everything else.

Since it's all made up, you can apply whatever rules you like, but it seems to me that you'd need a travel element to your time machine or you're in serious trouble when you jump.


I wrote a time travel story that the traveller figured out displacing yourself along the temporal planes was easy, but without the spacial displacement, he'd be in deep shiat as well as deep space. So his solution to gather the required readings to calculate spacial displacement was to blindly send back unmanned probes that would broadcast their signal, so that he could triangulate where the devices ended up. After several readings, he was then able to program a computer to successfully displace him in time and space to any point he wanted. Hijinx and disaster ensue with what he does after that.
 
2012-09-29 11:09:24 AM

Crudbucket: No one touch anything, we're caught in a time loop.


Obligatory Link

/Orbital, you make some weird shiat
 
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