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(Charleston Daily Mail)   Mattress rivals Tempur-Pedic and Sealy are becoming bedfellows. Talk about sleeping with the enemy   (dailymail.com) divider line 18
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2012-09-29 04:42:07 AM
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2012-09-29 05:26:20 AM
Wow. I remember when KKR took it private in 2004. (Flipping it back to the public a couple years later was what it was for.) Accounting for $1B or so in assumed debt (which is something you can analyze or criticize), it still looks like the transaction barely broke even six years later, except for the fact that the post-IPO common shareholders got rogered. Twice in a decade, management faced a Hobson's choice: You either sell out or go bankrupt. Not a place a board wants to be. As for KKR, I doubt anybody gave a damn about the future would bring, nor about anything. ZZ? Fine, but they couldn't make it alone.
 
2012-09-29 06:02:17 AM
'No one really knows what mattresses are meant to gain from life. They are large, friendly, pocket-sprung creatures that live quiet, private lives in the marshes of Sqornshellous Zeta, where they "follop and vollue" to amuse themselves. Many of them get caught, slaughtered, dried out, shipped out and slept on. None of them seem to mind this much and all of them are called Zem.'
 
2012-09-29 07:14:59 AM
CSB:

I bought a TempurPedic mattress a decade ago. It was one of the best purchases I'd ever made, and I didn't think it was possible to get a better night's sleep than I did on that thing... Until I moved halfway around the world, and couldn't take it with me. I now sleep in a well-made hammock (I have a bed here, I just don't use it since my wife went back to the States), and it's turned out to be a bigger improvement over the tempur mattress than the tempur was over everything else. The mattress was almost $2000, and the hammock was under a hundred.

Srsly, try it. Just make sure you sling it low, and sleep on a diagonal.

/CSB
 
2012-09-29 07:19:03 AM

Z-clipped: CSB:

I bought a TempurPedic mattress a decade ago. It was one of the best purchases I'd ever made, and I didn't think it was possible to get a better night's sleep than I did on that thing... Until I moved halfway around the world, and couldn't take it with me. I now sleep in a well-made hammock (I have a bed here, I just don't use it since my wife went back to the States), and it's turned out to be a bigger improvement over the tempur mattress than the tempur was over everything else. The mattress was almost $2000, and the hammock was under a hundred.

Srsly, try it. Just make sure you sling it low, and sleep on a diagonal.

/CSB


Serious question: what to look for in a "well-made" hammock? I suspect that not all hammocks are so good, or everybody would be talking about them.

/We now return you to your regularly scheduled snark, already in progress
 
2012-09-29 08:20:30 AM

Z-clipped: CSB:

I bought a TempurPedic mattress a decade ago. It was one of the best purchases I'd ever made, and I didn't think it was possible to get a better night's sleep than I did on that thing... Until I moved halfway around the world, and couldn't take it with me. I now sleep in a well-made hammock (I have a bed here, I just don't use it since my wife went back to the States), and it's turned out to be a bigger improvement over the tempur mattress than the tempur was over everything else. The mattress was almost $2000, and the hammock was under a hundred.

Srsly, try it. Just make sure you sling it low, and sleep on a diagonal.

/CSB


1. My girlfriend and I just bought a TempurPedic and we're both very happy with it.
2. I have dreamed of sleeping in a hammock since I was a child. Think of all the space you'd save! You could just unsling it when you're not sleeping! But I have a girlfriend now. Women kill men's dreams. But she has big boobies, so I've got that going for me.
 
2012-09-29 08:35:09 AM
I could never get into Tempurpedic (had plenty of time to test them out while in the showroom; I sold mattresses for 4 years). I ended up with a latex foam mattress. It's quite nice.
 
2012-09-29 08:45:28 AM
If you are a stomach sleeper like I am, Tempurs might as well have been invented by the Spanish Inquisition. I did alot of couch sleeping whern I had one(caveat, it was the original, maybe they are better now). I'd rather have a futon or the firmest individual coil mattress every time, the only bed I ever had that was more miserable was a 70's waterbed. Oh, and if you sweat when you sleep? Enjoy your giant nasty sponge.
 
2012-09-29 09:04:41 AM
The quality of normal spring mattresses has dropped like crazy over the past 15 years. Many of them are one-sided to save on costs now. And the amount of material that goes into a mattress now is about half of what it was.


/just bought a bed
//worked at a mattress store in the 90s
 
2012-09-29 09:05:00 AM
We got a Tempurpedic when the wife developed serious back problems. We couldn't recommend it more--she could finally get some sleep. The foam is as good as they advertise, and the normal moving around during the night is dampened. We don't wake each other up any longer.

They're expensive, but really worth it if one of you has medical issues.
 
2012-09-29 10:27:39 AM

crab66: Many of them are one-sided to save on costs now. And the amount of material that goes into a mattress now is about half of what it was.


This actually isn't the reason they're one-sided now. Mattresses (the good ones, anyway) have a lot of foam and other comfort materials on the sleeping surface. That actually does not make a good base of support for the mattress, so putting a bunch of soft foams on the bottom of the mattress actually makes it less supportive.

Mattresses might not last 30 years anymore, but surely 10-15 years is enough, and you probably won't need the same kind of mattress 15 years from now that you do now. Your accusation that the amount of material is about half of what is was? My mattress is 18 inches thick. I don't know what I'd do with a 36 inch thick mattress.
 
2012-09-29 10:55:34 AM

czetie: Z-clipped: CSB:

Serious question: what to look for in a "well-made" hammock? I suspect that not all hammocks are so good, or everybody would be talking about them.

/We now return you to your regularly scheduled snark, already in progress


Well, I'm kind of outdoorsy, so I bought one of these. The DoubleNest. It packs down really small, and it's comfortable as hell.

But honestly, any hammock that doesn't have a spreader bar is fine. I like the solid fabric ones (which I believe are the Brazilian type) but the Mayan string-type hammocks are supposed to be comfy too, as long as you don't mind some lines on your ass when you get up. Here's a site that has a lot of info.

My only caveat is that, though I've heard sex in a hammock is lots of fun, I have no experience with actually sleeping double in one. The anchors in my apartment here will only support one person, so my wife and I always slept in the bed when she was here.

Also, I rock climb a lot, so I end up camping pretty often out of necessity. The hammock packs to the size of a grapefruit, weighs next to nothing, and with a mosquito net or a small tarp, basically obviates a ton of gear. No tent, no poles, no sleeping pad, and a lighter bag, because being up in the air will actually insulate you better than being on the heat-sucking ground.

Honest Bender: 2. I have dreamed of sleeping in a hammock since I was a child. Think of all the space you'd save! You could just unsling it when you're not sleeping!


Totally! I've lived almost my entire life in big cities, where you're always fighting for space in your apartment. I wish I had known how comfortable they were when I was younger... would have improved my life immensely.
 
2012-09-29 12:54:24 PM

jack21221: My mattress is 18 inches thick. I don't know what I'd do with a 36 inch thick mattress.


It's about density and quality of materials. Not thickness.


My new mattress literally weighs half of what the old one did. It also cost me more. Don't kid yourself, overall build quality of mattresses is going down. Just like most other things besides cars. Which actually have gotten better over the past 20 years.

jack21221: That actually does not make a good base of support for the mattress, so putting a bunch of soft foams on the bottom of the mattress actually makes it less supportive.


That is 100% not true. The materials on the other side compress to the point that they are perfectly stable. I'm sure that is what some salesman told you though. 

Because the fact that it is a cost saving measure for manufacturers does not sound as good.
 
2012-09-29 12:54:55 PM
I just hope the consumers don't end up on the wet spot.
 
2012-09-29 02:54:09 PM

crab66: jack21221: My mattress is 18 inches thick. I don't know what I'd do with a 36 inch thick mattress.

It's about density and quality of materials. Not thickness.


My new mattress literally weighs half of what the old one did. It also cost me more. Don't kid yourself, overall build quality of mattresses is going down. Just like most other things besides cars. Which actually have gotten better over the past 20 years.

jack21221: That actually does not make a good base of support for the mattress, so putting a bunch of soft foams on the bottom of the mattress actually makes it less supportive.

That is 100% not true. The materials on the other side compress to the point that they are perfectly stable. I'm sure that is what some salesman told you though. 

Because the fact that it is a cost saving measure for manufacturers does not sound as good.


A few things...did you consider the difference in weight is the fact you let, say, 20 (or however many) years of dead skin, dandruff, and body oil accumulate in your mattress? Also, did you consider that the size you threw it at away at is not the size you bought it at?

You can flip a couch upside down and say that the materials compress to the point it's safe to sit on. Does that mean you don't want the couch right-side up? Come on, now. Logic me how a spring, getting stress from two sides, is more durable than a spring angled/designed to take stress from one side, with support structures in place to reduce stress on the spring. Bed springs nowadays can be lighter because the load the springs take is significantly less. They also needed to be lighter and more shock-absorbing due to people wanting to sleep on their sides. The less pressure involved, the less the arms go numb, and everyone sleeps happier.

However, now you have people wanting space-foam in a bed, so they have to shift money into making expensive-as-heck high-density foams. And then people like you, who absolutely refuse to accept modern engineering, demand that a bed that doesn't weigh a ton and isn't flippable is trash compared to the golden one you had back in the day.

Here's a great learning experience: take your favorite pillows, and put them underneath your mattress where you sleep. See if you can notice a difference in how you sleep by the end of a week, and then see how well your pillows held up after a week. Then come back and let's talk about how having foam on two sides is a great idea.
 
2012-09-29 04:06:51 PM
we just bought a TempurPedic mattress. i think its great. You really can't feel the other person moving around unless they are shaking the entire frame.
 
2012-09-29 07:20:55 PM
I bought a Sealy a few years ago. When it was delivered, I took a look at the tag and saw that it had been manufactured the day before.

/csb
 
2012-09-30 08:32:47 AM

crab66:
That is 100% not true. The materials on the other side compress to the point that they are perfectly stable. I'm sure that is what some salesman told you though. 


I guess my managers and the manufacturers reps are salesmen, but it's also what my common sense is telling me, as well as experience of having slept on a double-sided pillowtop and single-sided ones. My current mattress has foams that get progressively denser as you go to the bottom of the mattress. It'd be retarded to have the foams start getting softer after the halfway point.

Also, tell me why mattresses today last 10-15 years if they're so terrible?

Sure, you CAN buy terrible mattresses if you want to; they're still being made and offered as promotional "Buy a 499 queen set for 249!" deals, but you can get a well-made, comfortable, long-lasting mattress for 1,000 easily, and I'd put that mattress up against any mattress you had back in 1990.
 
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