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(LA Times)   L.A. greenlights new 1.2 billion dollar NFL Stadium project, rampant speculation on whether the Bills, Jaguars, or Vikings will be moving west   (latimesblogs.latimes.com) divider line 82
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2012-09-29 03:24:28 AM
Ain't gonna be the Vikings, I can tell you that much.
www.vikings.com

2016.
 
2012-09-29 03:36:34 AM
Ain't gonna be the Jags either!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlLwuQTqPys&feature=related
 
2012-09-29 03:41:13 AM
Eh, we have 5 years before it's finished.
 
2012-09-29 05:38:29 AM
LA Browns
 
2012-09-29 05:40:58 AM

HaywoodJablonski: LA Browns


you mean LA Brown-outs.
 
2012-09-29 06:07:52 AM
Or the economy continues to rebound, enough money can be scammed from some bidders, and the league will expand. They're not going to let the LA market belong to the Chargers. Wonder how things will go when the big earthquake hits during a super-bowl there. Everything that comes unscrewed rolls to California (FLW).
 
2012-09-29 06:18:03 AM
FTA
"Let them build another university, let them build a research hospital, let them build a museum," said Stewart James of Panorama City.

Why would an entertainment company build any of those things?
 
2012-09-29 06:24:08 AM
I hear that LA is getting the Miami Dolphins.
 
2012-09-29 06:25:39 AM
The definition of insanity is doing the same thug over and over and expecting different results. It didn't work the first two times putting teams there. Why would you think it would work a third time
 
2012-09-29 06:26:37 AM
*thing. Stupid mobile phone
 
2012-09-29 06:29:00 AM

Warlordtrooper: The definition of insanity is doing the same thug over and over and expecting different results. It didn't work the first two times putting teams there. Why would you think it would work a third time


Because the NFL is desperate to have a team located in the second largest TV market in the country.
 
2012-09-29 06:38:39 AM
Chargers. I mean this. They do also.
 
2012-09-29 06:44:58 AM

TsarTom: Ain't gonna be the Vikings, I can tell you that much.
[www.vikings.com image 850x581]

2016.


DasCoop: Ain't gonna be the Jags either!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlLwuQTqPys&feature=related


Ain't going to be the Bills either.

http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120922/CITYAN D REGION/120929680/1109

Particularly with the Toronto series about to be extended for another five years.
 
2012-09-29 07:44:20 AM
Oakland again. PLEASE let it be Oakland again, just for the outrage.
 
2012-09-29 07:54:19 AM

WinoRhino: Oakland again. PLEASE let it be Oakland again, just for the outrage.


That is where I would put the bet. Logistically, them or the Chargers make the most sense.
 
2012-09-29 08:09:16 AM
When are they going to learn that sports franchises outside of New England can only survive in cities where there is reasonably nothing else worth doing on a Sunday.
 
2012-09-29 08:17:50 AM

Warlordtrooper: The definition of insanity is doing the same thug over and over and expecting different results. It didn't work the first two times putting teams there. Why would you think it would work a third time


This saying, while constantly repeated as if it were wise and profound, is pretty much nonsense.

Just because something failed before doesn't mean it can never succeed.
 
2012-09-29 08:18:52 AM
Federal Power Shock: Caliber: 30 Carbine

Which is dumb, since I'm pretty sure people here watch as much football as anyone else. And do they really expect adults with the money to attend NFL games to switch allegiances from the teams they have followed their whole lives? Which basically leaves the Raiders and Rams.
 
2012-09-29 08:20:17 AM
Huh? what the hell was that? Sorry. I was responding to Because the NFL is desperate to have a team located in the second largest TV market in the country., not ammo shopping.
 
2012-09-29 08:21:27 AM

drewogatory: Federal Power Shock: Caliber: 30 Carbine

Which is dumb, since I'm pretty sure people here watch as much football as anyone else. And do they really expect adults with the money to attend NFL games to switch allegiances from the teams they have followed their whole lives? Which basically leaves the Raiders and Rams.


I don't think Federal carbine ammo is all that bad.
 
2012-09-29 08:29:31 AM

cameroncrazy1984: drewogatory: Federal Power Shock: Caliber: 30 Carbine

Which is dumb, since I'm pretty sure people here watch as much football as anyone else. And do they really expect adults with the money to attend NFL games to switch allegiances from the teams they have followed their whole lives? Which basically leaves the Raiders and Rams.

I don't think Federal carbine ammo is all that bad.

off topic

I've used it on whitetail, coyotes and hogs with excellent results, so I agree. on topic
 
2012-09-29 08:31:58 AM
So, why do they always decide to give LA an existing team rather than just building one from scratch. The Jags and the Panthers were both able to be successful quickly in the NFL so the worry about how long it would take to build a team shouldn't be a big deal.

You aren't going to get a proven winner to move to LA in this climate (Al Davis hasn't risen as a zombie) so why risk moving a club who's probably already go crappy management on the hopes that a change of scenery will turn things around.
 
2012-09-29 08:45:18 AM
Put the Rams back in LA.
Put the Cardinals back in St. Louis
Give Arizona an expansion team.

/lawn
 
2012-09-29 08:45:48 AM
The Vikings are getting a new Stadium. The Bills are half way moving to Toronto, and the Jags are moving to London.

I smell expansion. The only question is who else is getting a franchise....
 
2012-09-29 08:48:14 AM
I'm going to guess the Jags. I don't think there's another team that can be moved without opening a whole rift of shiat for the NFL.

They aren't going to move a team just because it sucks if it has fan support. The Browns? No farking way, some sad Clevelander would kill Goodell for sure, the Browns are all they have and they get plenty of support.

The Vikings? Pretty sure they've got a new stadium being built for them already and they have a pretty big fan base.

Bills? Unlikely, lot's of fans and if they move it's probably to Toronto.

Dark horse? How bout the Saints? Say Brees retires, gets hurt, w/e and they spend the next few years going back to their roots as the Aints. Goodell hates them already apparently and New Orleans isn't a football city like Cleveland Minny and Buffalo. There's stuff to do there besides support a team that sucks. I doubt it though, there would be a lot of whining about Katrina and the idea would get shot down.

That leaves the Jags and an expansion team. I'd say expansion is out because they'd have to be already working on that if they were doing it particularly because you really need two teams to try to balance the league. Putting together 2 expansion teams by the time the LA stadium is done? Seems unlikely. So that leaves the Jags, owned by a crazy rich Persian (maybe? Idk) guy and crazy rich people love LA. So, ladies and gents say hello to your 2017 LA Jaguars.
 
2012-09-29 08:50:51 AM
I forgot Oakland and San Diego I guess. But I don't see that happening either...why bother? Those teams already get that market and I don't think their going to build a new fan base by moving those teams. You'd just piss of San Diego and Oakland because they'd have to travel further to the games.
 
2012-09-29 08:52:45 AM
Nobody suggesting the Bucs? The team with the worst home attendance average for the last couple of years?
Weren't they in danger of having almost all the home games blacked out locally in the past couple of years?
 
2012-09-29 08:54:27 AM

BronyMedic: I hear that LA is getting the Miami Dolphins.


I'm actually a bit surprised we don't come up in these discussions more often. The owner is obsessed with celebrities, it seems. The fans aren't going to come back until the team is good again. Much of the fan base lives in Broward and Palm Beach counties, making driving to games a biatch -- and the in-town fans are mostly poor.

My money would still be on Jax, because it's too small and doesn't have the NFL tradition that other cities have (much more of a college ball town), but I can imagine it being the Fins.
 
2012-09-29 08:55:56 AM
Wouldn't the bills move to Toronto? Isn't that why they are doing the Toronto series?
 
2012-09-29 08:55:58 AM

js34603: I forgot Oakland and San Diego I guess. But I don't see that happening either...why bother? Those teams already get that market and I don't think their going to build a new fan base by moving those teams. You'd just piss of San Diego and Oakland because they'd have to travel further to the games.


No one cares about Oakland. They are the red headed stepchild of California. You could probably send in the military to raze it to the ground and nobody that matters would give a shiat until you hit the hills.
 
2012-09-29 08:56:40 AM
Order of likeliness in my opinion...
1) Chargers (1st season in 1960 was in L.A.)
2) Rams
3) Raiders
4) Jaguars
5) Dolphins
6) Bills
 
2012-09-29 09:04:04 AM

drewogatory: js34603: I forgot Oakland and San Diego I guess. But I don't see that happening either...why bother? Those teams already get that market and I don't think their going to build a new fan base by moving those teams. You'd just piss of San Diego and Oakland because they'd have to travel further to the games.

No one cares about Oakland. They are the red headed stepchild of California. You could probably send in the military to raze it to the ground and nobody that matters would give a shiat until you hit the hills.


I defer to your experience with California but I don't see how it benefits the NFL to move one of the Cali teams to LA.
 
2012-09-29 09:07:13 AM

js34603: I'm going to guess the Jags. I don't think there's another team that can be moved without opening a whole rift of shiat for the NFL.

They aren't going to move a team just because it sucks if it has fan support. The Browns? No farking way, some sad Clevelander would kill Goodell for sure, the Browns are all they have and they get plenty of support.

The Vikings? Pretty sure they've got a new stadium being built for them already and they have a pretty big fan base.

Bills? Unlikely, lot's of fans and if they move it's probably to Toronto.

Dark horse? How bout the Saints? Say Brees retires, gets hurt, w/e and they spend the next few years going back to their roots as the Aints. Goodell hates them already apparently and New Orleans isn't a football city like Cleveland Minny and Buffalo. There's stuff to do there besides support a team that sucks. I doubt it though, there would be a lot of whining about Katrina and the idea would get shot down.

That leaves the Jags and an expansion team. I'd say expansion is out because they'd have to be already working on that if they were doing it particularly because you really need two teams to try to balance the league. Putting together 2 expansion teams by the time the LA stadium is done? Seems unlikely. So that leaves the Jags, owned by a crazy rich Persian (maybe? Idk) guy and crazy rich people love LA. So, ladies and gents say hello to your 2017 LA Jaguars.


And you make a whole Aztec/Mayan theme to go with Czar Goodell's desire to attract Mexican fans to the NFL.

Maybe the Jets dump Mark Sanchez finally... it could be sweet
 
2012-09-29 09:08:47 AM
Attendance figures are easy to fudge and make the Jaguars look like they are doing better than they actually are. First of all they covered about 8000 - 10000 seats and don't sell them. And a bunch of the seats are either free to kids if you buy an adult ticket, or $20 day-of-game tickets, or heavily discounted college student tickets (I think they were $5 last year). Plus all the seats between the 20-yard-lines are "club level" so they don't have to sell those to be a sellout.

In "real" numbers they probably can support about 40,000 paying customers per game.
 
2012-09-29 09:09:50 AM

js34603: drewogatory: js34603: I forgot Oakland and San Diego I guess. But I don't see that happening either...why bother? Those teams already get that market and I don't think their going to build a new fan base by moving those teams. You'd just piss of San Diego and Oakland because they'd have to travel further to the games.

No one cares about Oakland. They are the red headed stepchild of California. You could probably send in the military to raze it to the ground and nobody that matters would give a shiat until you hit the hills.

I defer to your experience with California but I don't see how it benefits the NFL to move one of the Cali teams to LA.


I don't either, because every owner will immediately use the threat of relocation to try and extort a new stadium in their market.
Maybe they could add 2 expansion teams and have them ground share? Works for the Lakers and Clippers.
 
2012-09-29 09:23:10 AM

drewogatory: js34603: drewogatory: js34603: I forgot Oakland and San Diego I guess. But I don't see that happening either...why bother? Those teams already get that market and I don't think their going to build a new fan base by moving those teams. You'd just piss of San Diego and Oakland because they'd have to travel further to the games.

No one cares about Oakland. They are the red headed stepchild of California. You could probably send in the military to raze it to the ground and nobody that matters would give a shiat until you hit the hills.

I defer to your experience with California but I don't see how it benefits the NFL to move one of the Cali teams to LA.

I don't either, because every owner will immediately use the threat of relocation to try and extort a new stadium in their market.
Maybe they could add 2 expansion teams and have them ground share? Works for the Lakers and Clippers.


Actually that isn't bad, could put one in the AFC and one in the NFC.

But if they were doing expansion I think they'd already be working on it and I haven't heard anything but the NFL saying they weren't coming off 32 teams for awhile. There is nice symmetry in the conferences and divisions with 32 teams, 34 really throws off the schedules and divisions. And of course 33 really makes no sense.
 
2012-09-29 09:59:50 AM
2 L.A. teams, and then let the Rams and Chiefs move to a division that's closer for them area-wise.
 
2012-09-29 10:06:01 AM
Isn't L.A. in serious financial issues?
 
2012-09-29 10:34:06 AM
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\ Because Jerry Jones is f**king insane, that's why!
 
2012-09-29 10:40:44 AM
Doesn't matter to me, I will always be a Stillers girl. Would love to see them play a game here in LA.


/Hope it's not the Raiders
 
2012-09-29 10:42:26 AM
Patriots.
Film capitol of the world.
 
2012-09-29 10:42:48 AM
Awhile ago on here chefs fans were biatching about the state of the team and mentioned that the owner wants to move them. Is there any truth to that or were they just being paranoid fans?
 
2012-09-29 11:07:59 AM
Bills? Not likely, they are practically a CFL team as it is now what with playing a game every season in Toronto. Reminds me of when the Pack used to play two home games per annum in Milwaukee.

Vikings? Unlikely as well since they are working on a new stadium as well. I don't keep up with TC sports though but I'm pretty sure the Humpdome roof collapse really amped up the need for a new home.

Jags? I could see it happening. Jax has a small TV market (smaller than Green bay?) and they're more of a college town anyway. Only thing is they'd have to switch divisions with KC to make sense at all.

Raiders? Another possibility. They play in a stadium that's not good for either baseball or football. They want a new home too but Oakland ain't giving it to 'em. Hello LA Raiders redux?

Chargers? Probably unlikely but they could be the wildcard here. They have the Murph all to themselves now but is that good enough for them?

Rams? Outside chance. Not happy with the Eddiedome and moving them would make divisional sense. Think of an NFC West with AZ, LA, SEA and SF. Looks about right to me.
 
2012-09-29 11:47:15 AM
Jags. Book it. Florida doesn't need three teams.
 
2012-09-29 11:51:39 AM
NOBODY!

As badly as the NFL wants a team in LA, no owner wants to move there. They need a filled stadium, and they just need to look at the beloved dodgers to remind themselves that just isn't ever going to happen.
 
2012-09-29 12:21:47 PM
Another thing to keep in mnd:

New York State is very eager to keep in the Bills where they are, since they are the only NFL team based in th state and contributing taxes to the state coffers. Those other two teams play in New Jersey. If the Bills leave, that leaves NYS with zero NFL franchises.
 
2012-09-29 12:23:15 PM
Aren't the Raiders going to share that new stadium in Santa Clara with the 49ers? That would seem to suggest they're not leaving the Bay Area.

That said, the only reason that I think there might be any sort of chance of the Raiders moving back to LA is that Al Davis is dead. If Al were still around, the NFL would use every bit of power it has to keep him from getting to move to LA.
 
2012-09-29 12:25:25 PM

Slives: Nobody suggesting the Bucs? The team with the worst home attendance average for the last couple of years?
Weren't they in danger of having almost all the home games blacked out locally in the past couple of years?


THIS. They're blacked out tomorrow despite being the only team in the league to take the 85% deal.
 
2012-09-29 12:30:25 PM
On the one hand, imagine the millions of dollars that will be generated for bail bondsmen and criminal defense attorneys when the Raiders play in Farmers Field.

On the other hand, this is the only professional football team that LA residents will consistently buy tickets to see; win or lose:

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2012-09-29 12:30:59 PM
Really, I can't see ANY of the existing owners cedeing such a huge market without some serious cash changing hands. i think they would rather go scorched earth.
 
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