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(New York Daily News)   You and your middle school buddy have just murdered your great grandma in cold blood. What do you do next? a) leave evidence as bait to try to trap a patsy b) do a half-assed job of cleaning the scene c) eat pizza d) all of the above   (articles.nydailynews.com) divider line 197
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2012-09-29 01:37:51 AM

Ed Finnerty: FTFA: They are being held on $1 million cash bond.

Damn. They're going to have to kill a *lot* of grandmas to make bail.


At least she didnt die in vain.

Good job.
 
2012-09-29 01:40:37 AM

Fista-Phobia: The5thElement: Old news is old.

So what is the mod threshold here? 12 hours? 2 days? 1 year?

/How is the Shep Smith story not greenlit?
//No more car chases on T.V.


This story hit Milwaukee a week ago. I stand by my previous statement.
 
2012-09-29 01:45:07 AM

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


Agreed, and not because I think we have good odds of fixing these kids.

Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.
 
2012-09-29 01:47:40 AM
Well at least they didnt use guns. That'll make the crybags happy.
 
2012-09-29 01:47:47 AM

The5thElement: Fista-Phobia: The5thElement: Old news is old.

So what is the mod threshold here? 12 hours? 2 days? 1 year?

/How is the Shep Smith story not greenlit?
//No more car chases on T.V.

This story hit Milwaukee a week ago. I stand by my previous statement.


I concur with this standard.
 
2012-09-29 01:48:01 AM

Smackledorfer: Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.


Yeah, at 13, the judgment centers of your brain aren't fully-formed like an adult. They are capable of understanding what they did was wrong, which is why they should be punished, but they aren't as capable of thinking through the consequences of their actions in the same way that an adult can (or should be able to), which is why they shouldn't face the same penalties as an adult would.

Calling for the death penalty to be applied to someone that isn't even in high school yet makes me ill.
 
2012-09-29 01:48:58 AM
I'm 38. I have 3 living grandparents, at 89, 92 and 93. I also have 2 kids of 8 and 12. I'm glad that my kids got to know my grandparents, as they are a big part of my life.
 
2012-09-29 01:49:09 AM
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I blame the shirt.

It has an ominous urban vibe about it.
 
2012-09-29 01:49:15 AM
Oh, and dont tell me these kids could appreciate what they did given how shiatty their plan was. Kill granny for change, steal the car and grab a pizza?

Yea, clearly mature thinking.
 
2012-09-29 01:50:35 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


My son met his great-grandfather, but he (my wife's grandfather) died when my son was two.
 
2012-09-29 01:51:01 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Smackledorfer: Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.

Yeah, at 13, the judgment centers of your brain aren't fully-formed like an adult. They are capable of understanding what they did was wrong, which is why they should be punished, but they aren't as capable of thinking through the consequences of their actions in the same way that an adult can (or should be able to), which is why they shouldn't face the same penalties as an adult would.

Calling for the death penalty to be applied to someone that isn't even in high school yet makes me ill.


Yep. A double dose of ill all around from this article. Now I go to bed after watching superjail and reading this.

I expect farked up dreams.
 
2012-09-29 01:52:42 AM
"They also allegedly tried to dispose the victim's body, dragging her to the garage, but then abandoning the plan."

Man this body is HEAVY.... ah fark it.
 
2012-09-29 01:54:13 AM

Smackledorfer: Now I go to bed after watching superjail and reading this.


I always have the worst dreams after prison shows.
 
2012-09-29 01:57:04 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Smackledorfer: Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.

Yeah, at 13, the judgment centers of your brain aren't fully-formed like an adult. They are capable of understanding what they did was wrong, which is why they should be punished, but they aren't as capable of thinking through the consequences of their actions in the same way that an adult can (or should be able to), which is why they shouldn't face the same penalties as an adult would.

Calling for the death penalty to be applied to someone that isn't even in high school yet makes me ill.


So what should be done? Lock them up for life in a mental Health facility? Prison?

These people took a life. They thought so little of the life that they took that they ate a pizza afterwards. They are animals, not human. The humane thing is to execute them.
 
2012-09-29 02:02:07 AM

Great Janitor: These people took a life. They thought so little of the life that they took that they ate a pizza afterwards. They are animals, not human. The humane thing is to execute them.


Ah, I didn't realize you were a mental health professional that has had a chance to interview them in a professional capacity. Obviously I will defer to your expertise in the matter.
 
2012-09-29 02:03:21 AM
I'm sorry, but this adulthood that is open for interpretation for a court is bullshiat.

If I'm 20 (LEGALLY AN ADULT) and get caught with beer, I'm charged with minor in possession. I can't then have the charge dropped because the court determined that I was of sound mind enough to be considered an adult.

Draw a farking line in the sand. Pick an age. That is adulthood. If it's open to interpretation, than it should be for everything, not just negative things.
 
2012-09-29 02:03:25 AM
This story just makes me unspeakably sad.
 
2012-09-29 02:07:15 AM
Nice culture we've got here, don't we?
 
2012-09-29 02:10:26 AM
:'(
 
2012-09-29 02:11:25 AM

octopied: Is it bad I found the most disturbing thing about this the fact that they're practically identical despite not apparently being related?


At first glance I thought it was two different pictures of the same kid too, pretty weird.
 
2012-09-29 02:12:18 AM

Cork on Fork: AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?

Not that one kid.


I LOL'd.
 
2012-09-29 02:13:01 AM

pyrotek85: octopied: Is it bad I found the most disturbing thing about this the fact that they're practically identical despite not apparently being related?

At first glance I thought it was two different pictures of the same kid too, pretty weird.


HOLY shiat! IT IS TWO DIFFERENT KIDS!

I thought there were two different suspect photo sets but I don't click through slideshows so I didn't look.
 
2012-09-29 02:14:32 AM
They are going to make some cute little bitaches in jail
 
2012-09-29 02:17:46 AM

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


You are wrong
 
2012-09-29 02:20:32 AM

mkrieger: Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".

You are wrong


Actually, he's got a point.

Don't charge 'em as adults.

Don't even charge 'em as kids.

Charge 'em as transformers, and I don't mean the robots.

s3.freefoto.com
 
2012-09-29 02:20:54 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Great Janitor: These people took a life. They thought so little of the life that they took that they ate a pizza afterwards. They are animals, not human. The humane thing is to execute them.

Ah, I didn't realize you were a mental health professional that has had a chance to interview them in a professional capacity. Obviously I will defer to your expertise in the matter.


It doesn't take a mental health professional to see that these two boys need to either be locked away in a mental health facility for life or executed. No healthy person, regardless of age, kills another person in cold blood.
 
2012-09-29 02:23:40 AM

vudukungfu: grass on the field...


somehow I think you'd have the same response if the news story was that these two kids were getting diddled by the local priest, scout master, or little league coach..
 
2012-09-29 02:24:11 AM

bowtiesheep: A story that makes me lose my faith and hope in humanity.
A thread that restores it.


Your faith is restored by people calling for two children to be raped, locked up until they die of old age or killed? How are things in Tehran these days?
 
2012-09-29 02:26:29 AM

orbister: bowtiesheep: A story that makes me lose my faith and hope in humanity.
A thread that restores it.

Your faith is restored by people calling for two children to be raped, locked up until they die of old age or killed? How are things in Tehran these days?


The thread is full of people calling for two killers to be locked up until they die of old age or executed. The age means nothing.
 
2012-09-29 02:26:37 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Smackledorfer: Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.

Yeah, at 13, the judgment centers of your brain aren't fully-formed like an adult. They are capable of understanding what they did was wrong, which is why they should be punished, but they aren't as capable of thinking through the consequences of their actions in the same way that an adult can (or should be able to), which is why they shouldn't face the same penalties as an adult would.

Calling for the death penalty to be applied to someone that isn't even in high school yet makes me ill.


I tend to agree, but there is too much nuance in that argument to get through the skulls of 90% of the populace. The funny (well, not really that funny) part is that as you pointed out, we have actual scientific evidence that supports this view. Of course, if all you have is nuance, reason and evidence on your side, you're shiat out of luck in modern day America. So good luck with that.
 
2012-09-29 02:27:04 AM
Well I guess thats two less tween shiatbags spewing hate on XBox live. Thanks granny!
 
2012-09-29 02:27:04 AM
 
2012-09-29 02:27:31 AM

Great Janitor: It doesn't take a mental health professional to see that these two boys need to either be locked away in a mental health facility for life or executed. No healthy person, regardless of age, kills another person in cold blood.


Except executioners, you mean? And soldiers? How about Seal Team 6?
 
2012-09-29 02:28:20 AM

Fista-Phobia: [www.nydailynews.com image 370x240]

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imageshack.us
 
2012-09-29 02:28:48 AM

Great Janitor: The age means nothing.


NAMBLA use that argument too, I believe.
 
2012-09-29 02:28:56 AM
two-bullet solution

court adjourned
 
2012-09-29 02:31:19 AM
This confirms - you can't trust Packers fans.
 
2012-09-29 02:35:49 AM

orbister: Great Janitor: It doesn't take a mental health professional to see that these two boys need to either be locked away in a mental health facility for life or executed. No healthy person, regardless of age, kills another person in cold blood.

Except executioners, you mean? And soldiers? How about Seal Team 6?


It appears that you lack the definition of 'in cold blood'. To seek out a target and cause enough harm to end a life for selfish gains is in cold blood. And sometimes, it's not even for any form of gain. The Columbine shootings, for example, was a mass murder that was done in cold blood.

Executioners don't end life in cold blood, often times they are carrying out a state order to end a life. Soldiers, I've known several, some even war vets from WW2 through the first gulf war, who took lives. No, they weren't cold blooded killers, same with Seal Team 6.

I'm sorry that you lack the ability to any killing as anything but a cold blooded killing. But some killing is justified. Someone breaks into my home and I will end that life. That doesn't mean that I'm a cold blooded killer, that just means that killing someone who breaks into my home, while I am at home, means protecting myself and the life of my spouse.
 
2012-09-29 02:38:08 AM

orbister: Great Janitor: The age means nothing.

NAMBLA use that argument too, I believe.


Nice logical fallacy you have there.
 
2012-09-29 02:38:50 AM

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


Eric Smith.

Assuming psycho/sociopath tendencies (and you bet they're pulling out all the stops for the psych evals), yes, charge them as adults. Otherwise (depending on state laws) they get let out of the mental institution at 18 and can go back to being... whatever it is they end up being, it varies...
 
2012-09-29 02:40:59 AM

jmr61: rebelyell2006: AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?

Because white trash will still pop out their first litters when they turn 16.

I had a great grandmother for 23 years. She lived to be 101. Suck my dick.


I had a great grandmother for 19 years. She lived until my grandfather was 75. Can I suck your dick?
 
2012-09-29 02:47:13 AM

Great Janitor: It appears that you lack the definition of 'in cold blood'. To seek out a target and cause enough harm to end a life for selfish gains is in cold blood. And sometimes, it's not even for any form of gain. The Columbine shootings, for example, was a mass murder that was done in cold blood.

Executioners don't end life in cold blood, often times they are carrying out a state order to end a life. Soldiers, I've known several, some even war vets from WW2 through the first gulf war, who took lives. No, they weren't cold blooded killers, same with Seal Team 6.


So you're saying that strapping someone down to a table and then injecting a combination of drugs to paralyse and then kill them is NOT killing in cold blood? You're saying that rendering someone helpless, attaching electrodes to them and then pulling a switch is NOT cold blood? You're saying that watching an image of a villagers in Yemen, thousands of miles away, trying to help survivors of the missile you fired five minutes ago and then calmly pressing a button to fire another missile at them is NOT cold blood?

The motivations may be different, but if you kill someone deliberately for any reason other than an immediate need to preserve a life, you are doing it in cold blood. That's what "in cold blood" means.
 
2012-09-29 02:49:10 AM

Great Janitor: orbister: Great Janitor: The age means nothing.

NAMBLA use that argument too, I believe.

Nice logical fallacy you have there.


Where? If children can take a decision to kill and be treated like adults for it, why shouldn't they be treated like adults if they take a decision to have sex? Could you perhaps list the areas in which you think ages does make a difference and the areas in which it doesn't?
 
2012-09-29 02:53:43 AM

orbister: bowtiesheep: A story that makes me lose my faith and hope in humanity.
A thread that restores it.

Your faith is restored by people calling for two children to be raped, locked up until they die of old age or killed? How are things in Tehran these days?


Fun fact : ln Tehran when they hanged three gay teens, they hanged them from construction cranes, not gallows.
 
2012-09-29 02:54:35 AM
How about we not decide at what age people are tried as an adults, but make some crimes equally offensive and punishable across all age groups? For instance, premeditated murder and legitimate rape
 
2012-09-29 02:58:07 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


I met mine, at age 7 (they were in their 80s)

Your average american guy life is not so average, american .... or guy like
 
2012-09-29 02:58:33 AM

grinnel: How about we not decide at what age people are tried as an adults, but make some crimes equally offensive and punishable across all age groups? For instance, premeditated murder and legitimate rape


The question then arises as to whether a particular person was capable of premeditation in any meaningful way, and if you have to apply that question to all ages and not just children, things get interesting.
 
2012-09-29 03:01:35 AM
So ah what... how do I say this. What...

I'm not sure I...

What... ah... exactly... kind of pizza... was it?

imageshack.us
 
2012-09-29 03:02:21 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


Given that a 10 year old girl recently gave birth to a child, I'm surprised there aren't more great great grandparents out there.
 
2012-09-29 03:03:53 AM
Is it sad I knew what race they were before I clicked the link?
 
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