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(New York Daily News)   You and your middle school buddy have just murdered your great grandma in cold blood. What do you do next? a) leave evidence as bait to try to trap a patsy b) do a half-assed job of cleaning the scene c) eat pizza d) all of the above   (articles.nydailynews.com) divider line 197
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2012-09-28 09:06:30 PM  
I look forward to the huge pile of Justin Beiber CDS on fire.
 
2012-09-28 09:30:21 PM  
Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".
 
2012-09-28 09:34:20 PM  

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


Sorry. There's hair on their balls.
They can walk the halls.

Either euthenise them or park them where they ain't getting out.

grass on the field...
 
2012-09-28 10:19:17 PM  
I don't get it. Did grandma have that much money? Why do they both have that incredibly retarded haircut? WTF is wrong with young kids these days??!
 
2012-09-28 10:21:46 PM  

vudukungfu: Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".

Sorry. There's hair on their balls.
They can walk the halls.

Either euthenise them or park them where they ain't getting out.

grass on the field...


Just put these boys down now or at least sterilize them. They planned this and felt it was OK to behave this way. Time in incarceration isn't going to improve them.
 
2012-09-28 10:51:49 PM  

ambassador_ahab: I don't get it. Did grandma have that much money? Why do they both have that incredibly retarded haircut? WTF is wrong with young kids these days??!


Blame Bieber!
 
2012-09-29 12:58:41 AM  

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


We get it they're not black
/Throws bait out there
 
2012-09-29 12:59:36 AM  
farking black kids are out of control. They're animals. If we had any sense in this country, we'd cage them.

/wait...what?
 
2012-09-29 12:59:51 AM  
good thing we aided in their shiathole country's "democratic revolution", amirite? bunch of stone age, tribal backwards religious farknuts, we need to get out and leave them to stew in their own barbaric juices.
 
2012-09-29 01:00:53 AM  
In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?
 
2012-09-29 01:02:01 AM  
This terrible crime is just made so much worse by the fact that these kids have those haircuts. Charge them as adults and lock em up with Buster and Big Eddie.
 
2012-09-29 01:02:39 AM  
FTFA: They are being held on $1 million cash bond.

Damn. They're going to have to kill a *lot* of grandmas to make bail.
 
2012-09-29 01:02:42 AM  
Watch out for child predators!
 
2012-09-29 01:02:51 AM  

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


They knew what they were doing. Charge as an adult, put the death penalty as an option.
 
2012-09-29 01:03:10 AM  
Why is the older one pouting for his booking shot? Stupid kids.
 
2012-09-29 01:03:10 AM  

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


No it's not.

Or rather 13 years is enough if you're killing old ladies for money.
 
2012-09-29 01:03:23 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


Because white trash will still pop out their first litters when they turn 16.
 
2012-09-29 01:03:35 AM  
The article pointedly avoids mentioning the race of the murderers.

Thanks liberal media!
 
2012-09-29 01:03:59 AM  
Old news is old.
 
2012-09-29 01:04:03 AM  
Yeah, they're old enough to be responsible for murder, but don't let them vote or drink a beer. They aren't responsible enough for that.
 
2012-09-29 01:04:08 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


So we've ended teen pregnancy???
 
2012-09-29 01:05:17 AM  
Is it bad I found the most disturbing thing about this the fact that they're practically identical despite not apparently being related?
 
2012-09-29 01:05:36 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


At one point my family had 5 generations alive on my mother's side. Great great grandma being the eldest. Great grandma still has 10-15 years left in her.
 
2012-09-29 01:05:54 AM  
www.nydailynews.com

yrbmagazine.com
 
2012-09-29 01:08:17 AM  
Dostoyevsky fans, I take it?
 
2012-09-29 01:09:01 AM  

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


They could go go juvenile court if they asked for the money, got denied, pushed her down, and she accidentally died when she hit her head on table.

The fact they they brought the weapons, hit her several times, and tried to stash the body shows that there is truly something wrong with these kids. 

/in my day we respected our elders
//or at least were smart enough to steal from people with more than spare change
 
2012-09-29 01:09:08 AM  
What a bunch of morons. Lose your lives to take spare change from a woman who will likely be dead by the time you would have graduated high school?

Disregarding the obvious brutal awfulness of the crime, stupidity of this degree should carry a life sentence.
 
2012-09-29 01:09:23 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


Not that one kid.
 
2012-09-29 01:09:39 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


Longevity? I'm 29. My eldest cousin is in her early 30s. She and her husband have a baby. So, our grandmother, who is 87, is also a great-grandmother. And our generations are very reasonably spaced. Teen pregnancy is not a thing in my family.

Meanwhile, the kids in TFA should be tried as adults. Sociopaths...
 
2012-09-29 01:10:01 AM  

The Southern Dandy: Yeah, they're old enough to be responsible for murder, but don't let them vote or drink a beer. They aren't responsible enough for that.


Agreed.
 
2012-09-29 01:10:05 AM  
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2012-09-29 01:13:03 AM  

The Southern Dandy: Yeah, they're old enough to be responsible for murder, but don't let them vote or drink a beer. They aren't responsible enough for that.


By that logic, you're basically saying that once you reach a certain age, murder is legal.

The point is, not only did they break the law, but they broke a very serious law, and will not enjoy being locked up with the Booty Bandit.
 
2012-09-29 01:15:12 AM  

bdub77: What a bunch of morons. Lose your lives to take spare change from a woman who will likely be dead by the time you would have graduated high school?

Disregarding the obvious brutal awfulness of the crime, stupidity of this degree should carry a life sentence.


I agree.

But can "life" be a maximum length of 24 hours after the last appeal?
 
2012-09-29 01:17:56 AM  

bdub77: What a bunch of morons. Lose your lives to take spare change from a woman who will likely be dead by the time you would have graduated high school?

Disregarding the obvious brutal awfulness of the crime, stupidity of this degree should carry a life sentence.


Without the possibility of parole. Let them both rot in prison for the next several decades.
 
2012-09-29 01:19:21 AM  
C'mon, they are just kids.

Who hasn't thought of burying a hatchet in Grandma's face?
 
2012-09-29 01:19:25 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-29 01:21:27 AM  
In Ireland you can be charged with murder, manslaughter, rape or aggravated sexual assault at the age of 10. In Australia the age is 10. It is up to the prosecution in both countries to prove the accused understood the crime. If they can they get charged as an adult. Mind you in both countries there is no death penalty ( thank goodness )

yes, citations below!

http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/0/0/A/%7B00A92691-0908-47BF-9311-01AD 7 43F01E1%7Dti181.pdf
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/children_and_young_offen d ers/children_and_the_criminal_justice_system_in_ireland.html
 
2012-09-29 01:22:55 AM  
It shouldn't be legal to have hair like that.
 
2012-09-29 01:24:35 AM  
The Beiber helmet is the mullet of the current generation.
 
2012-09-29 01:25:17 AM  

rebelyell2006: AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?

Because white trash will still pop out their first litters when they turn 16.


I had a great grandmother for 23 years. She lived to be 101. Suck my dick.
 
2012-09-29 01:26:17 AM  

The5thElement: Old news is old.


So what is the mod threshold here? 12 hours? 2 days? 1 year?

/How is the Shep Smith story not greenlit?
//No more car chases on T.V.
 
2012-09-29 01:26:22 AM  
What the fark.
 
2012-09-29 01:27:40 AM  
They'll find out soon enough that their assholes aren't one-way tunnels.
 
2012-09-29 01:27:42 AM  
I would hope that if one of these kids was mine, I'd have the mental clarity at this moment to realize that they can't ever be let into society again. Something tells me that these kids parents aren't that great though.

//You can't fix evil. Lock 'em up for the duration.
 
2012-09-29 01:27:50 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Dostoyevsky fans, I take it?


Worse. Bieber!
 
2012-09-29 01:29:05 AM  

SmokeMonkey: The Beiber helmet is the mullet of the current generation.


www.mulletsgalore.com

R.I.P. Hesher Mullet
 
2012-09-29 01:29:46 AM  

www.lex18.com

SON I AM DISSAPOINT
 
2012-09-29 01:31:48 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?

Let me guess, math and science aren't your strong subjects. At 21 my daughter was born. I am now 64 and my granddaughter is 16. So if she is a good girl, I will still be a great GP at 68 or 69. If I had waited until I was 31 then I would still be great at 78 or thereabouts. My mother lived to be 94 and had great great. The longevity of people is one of our big population and job problems.
 
2012-09-29 01:35:04 AM  
A story that makes me lose my faith and hope in humanity.
A thread that restores it.

Thank you Farkers

/A Lurker's Lurker
 
2012-09-29 01:37:03 AM  
Hail Mobra!
 
2012-09-29 01:37:51 AM  

Ed Finnerty: FTFA: They are being held on $1 million cash bond.

Damn. They're going to have to kill a *lot* of grandmas to make bail.


At least she didnt die in vain.

Good job.
 
2012-09-29 01:40:37 AM  

Fista-Phobia: The5thElement: Old news is old.

So what is the mod threshold here? 12 hours? 2 days? 1 year?

/How is the Shep Smith story not greenlit?
//No more car chases on T.V.


This story hit Milwaukee a week ago. I stand by my previous statement.
 
2012-09-29 01:45:07 AM  

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


Agreed, and not because I think we have good odds of fixing these kids.

Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.
 
2012-09-29 01:47:40 AM  
Well at least they didnt use guns. That'll make the crybags happy.
 
2012-09-29 01:47:47 AM  

The5thElement: Fista-Phobia: The5thElement: Old news is old.

So what is the mod threshold here? 12 hours? 2 days? 1 year?

/How is the Shep Smith story not greenlit?
//No more car chases on T.V.

This story hit Milwaukee a week ago. I stand by my previous statement.


I concur with this standard.
 
2012-09-29 01:48:01 AM  

Smackledorfer: Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.


Yeah, at 13, the judgment centers of your brain aren't fully-formed like an adult. They are capable of understanding what they did was wrong, which is why they should be punished, but they aren't as capable of thinking through the consequences of their actions in the same way that an adult can (or should be able to), which is why they shouldn't face the same penalties as an adult would.

Calling for the death penalty to be applied to someone that isn't even in high school yet makes me ill.
 
2012-09-29 01:48:58 AM  
I'm 38. I have 3 living grandparents, at 89, 92 and 93. I also have 2 kids of 8 and 12. I'm glad that my kids got to know my grandparents, as they are a big part of my life.
 
2012-09-29 01:49:09 AM  
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I blame the shirt.

It has an ominous urban vibe about it.
 
2012-09-29 01:49:15 AM  
Oh, and dont tell me these kids could appreciate what they did given how shiatty their plan was. Kill granny for change, steal the car and grab a pizza?

Yea, clearly mature thinking.
 
2012-09-29 01:50:35 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


My son met his great-grandfather, but he (my wife's grandfather) died when my son was two.
 
2012-09-29 01:51:01 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Smackledorfer: Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.

Yeah, at 13, the judgment centers of your brain aren't fully-formed like an adult. They are capable of understanding what they did was wrong, which is why they should be punished, but they aren't as capable of thinking through the consequences of their actions in the same way that an adult can (or should be able to), which is why they shouldn't face the same penalties as an adult would.

Calling for the death penalty to be applied to someone that isn't even in high school yet makes me ill.


Yep. A double dose of ill all around from this article. Now I go to bed after watching superjail and reading this.

I expect farked up dreams.
 
2012-09-29 01:52:42 AM  
"They also allegedly tried to dispose the victim's body, dragging her to the garage, but then abandoning the plan."

Man this body is HEAVY.... ah fark it.
 
2012-09-29 01:54:13 AM  

Smackledorfer: Now I go to bed after watching superjail and reading this.


I always have the worst dreams after prison shows.
 
2012-09-29 01:57:04 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Smackledorfer: Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.

Yeah, at 13, the judgment centers of your brain aren't fully-formed like an adult. They are capable of understanding what they did was wrong, which is why they should be punished, but they aren't as capable of thinking through the consequences of their actions in the same way that an adult can (or should be able to), which is why they shouldn't face the same penalties as an adult would.

Calling for the death penalty to be applied to someone that isn't even in high school yet makes me ill.


So what should be done? Lock them up for life in a mental Health facility? Prison?

These people took a life. They thought so little of the life that they took that they ate a pizza afterwards. They are animals, not human. The humane thing is to execute them.
 
2012-09-29 02:02:07 AM  

Great Janitor: These people took a life. They thought so little of the life that they took that they ate a pizza afterwards. They are animals, not human. The humane thing is to execute them.


Ah, I didn't realize you were a mental health professional that has had a chance to interview them in a professional capacity. Obviously I will defer to your expertise in the matter.
 
2012-09-29 02:03:21 AM  
I'm sorry, but this adulthood that is open for interpretation for a court is bullshiat.

If I'm 20 (LEGALLY AN ADULT) and get caught with beer, I'm charged with minor in possession. I can't then have the charge dropped because the court determined that I was of sound mind enough to be considered an adult.

Draw a farking line in the sand. Pick an age. That is adulthood. If it's open to interpretation, than it should be for everything, not just negative things.
 
2012-09-29 02:03:25 AM  
This story just makes me unspeakably sad.
 
2012-09-29 02:07:15 AM  
Nice culture we've got here, don't we?
 
2012-09-29 02:10:26 AM  
:'(
 
2012-09-29 02:11:25 AM  

octopied: Is it bad I found the most disturbing thing about this the fact that they're practically identical despite not apparently being related?


At first glance I thought it was two different pictures of the same kid too, pretty weird.
 
2012-09-29 02:12:18 AM  

Cork on Fork: AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?

Not that one kid.


I LOL'd.
 
2012-09-29 02:13:01 AM  

pyrotek85: octopied: Is it bad I found the most disturbing thing about this the fact that they're practically identical despite not apparently being related?

At first glance I thought it was two different pictures of the same kid too, pretty weird.


HOLY shiat! IT IS TWO DIFFERENT KIDS!

I thought there were two different suspect photo sets but I don't click through slideshows so I didn't look.
 
2012-09-29 02:14:32 AM  
They are going to make some cute little bitaches in jail
 
2012-09-29 02:17:46 AM  

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


You are wrong
 
2012-09-29 02:20:32 AM  

mkrieger: Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".

You are wrong


Actually, he's got a point.

Don't charge 'em as adults.

Don't even charge 'em as kids.

Charge 'em as transformers, and I don't mean the robots.

s3.freefoto.com
 
2012-09-29 02:20:54 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Great Janitor: These people took a life. They thought so little of the life that they took that they ate a pizza afterwards. They are animals, not human. The humane thing is to execute them.

Ah, I didn't realize you were a mental health professional that has had a chance to interview them in a professional capacity. Obviously I will defer to your expertise in the matter.


It doesn't take a mental health professional to see that these two boys need to either be locked away in a mental health facility for life or executed. No healthy person, regardless of age, kills another person in cold blood.
 
2012-09-29 02:23:40 AM  

vudukungfu: grass on the field...


somehow I think you'd have the same response if the news story was that these two kids were getting diddled by the local priest, scout master, or little league coach..
 
2012-09-29 02:24:11 AM  

bowtiesheep: A story that makes me lose my faith and hope in humanity.
A thread that restores it.


Your faith is restored by people calling for two children to be raped, locked up until they die of old age or killed? How are things in Tehran these days?
 
2012-09-29 02:26:29 AM  

orbister: bowtiesheep: A story that makes me lose my faith and hope in humanity.
A thread that restores it.

Your faith is restored by people calling for two children to be raped, locked up until they die of old age or killed? How are things in Tehran these days?


The thread is full of people calling for two killers to be locked up until they die of old age or executed. The age means nothing.
 
2012-09-29 02:26:37 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Smackledorfer: Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.

Yeah, at 13, the judgment centers of your brain aren't fully-formed like an adult. They are capable of understanding what they did was wrong, which is why they should be punished, but they aren't as capable of thinking through the consequences of their actions in the same way that an adult can (or should be able to), which is why they shouldn't face the same penalties as an adult would.

Calling for the death penalty to be applied to someone that isn't even in high school yet makes me ill.


I tend to agree, but there is too much nuance in that argument to get through the skulls of 90% of the populace. The funny (well, not really that funny) part is that as you pointed out, we have actual scientific evidence that supports this view. Of course, if all you have is nuance, reason and evidence on your side, you're shiat out of luck in modern day America. So good luck with that.
 
2012-09-29 02:27:04 AM  
Well I guess thats two less tween shiatbags spewing hate on XBox live. Thanks granny!
 
2012-09-29 02:27:04 AM  
 
2012-09-29 02:27:31 AM  

Great Janitor: It doesn't take a mental health professional to see that these two boys need to either be locked away in a mental health facility for life or executed. No healthy person, regardless of age, kills another person in cold blood.


Except executioners, you mean? And soldiers? How about Seal Team 6?
 
2012-09-29 02:28:20 AM  

Fista-Phobia: [www.nydailynews.com image 370x240]

[yrbmagazine.com image 450x366]


imageshack.us
 
2012-09-29 02:28:48 AM  

Great Janitor: The age means nothing.


NAMBLA use that argument too, I believe.
 
2012-09-29 02:28:56 AM  
two-bullet solution

court adjourned
 
2012-09-29 02:31:19 AM  
This confirms - you can't trust Packers fans.
 
2012-09-29 02:35:49 AM  

orbister: Great Janitor: It doesn't take a mental health professional to see that these two boys need to either be locked away in a mental health facility for life or executed. No healthy person, regardless of age, kills another person in cold blood.

Except executioners, you mean? And soldiers? How about Seal Team 6?


It appears that you lack the definition of 'in cold blood'. To seek out a target and cause enough harm to end a life for selfish gains is in cold blood. And sometimes, it's not even for any form of gain. The Columbine shootings, for example, was a mass murder that was done in cold blood.

Executioners don't end life in cold blood, often times they are carrying out a state order to end a life. Soldiers, I've known several, some even war vets from WW2 through the first gulf war, who took lives. No, they weren't cold blooded killers, same with Seal Team 6.

I'm sorry that you lack the ability to any killing as anything but a cold blooded killing. But some killing is justified. Someone breaks into my home and I will end that life. That doesn't mean that I'm a cold blooded killer, that just means that killing someone who breaks into my home, while I am at home, means protecting myself and the life of my spouse.
 
2012-09-29 02:38:08 AM  

orbister: Great Janitor: The age means nothing.

NAMBLA use that argument too, I believe.


Nice logical fallacy you have there.
 
2012-09-29 02:38:50 AM  

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


Eric Smith.

Assuming psycho/sociopath tendencies (and you bet they're pulling out all the stops for the psych evals), yes, charge them as adults. Otherwise (depending on state laws) they get let out of the mental institution at 18 and can go back to being... whatever it is they end up being, it varies...
 
2012-09-29 02:40:59 AM  

jmr61: rebelyell2006: AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?

Because white trash will still pop out their first litters when they turn 16.

I had a great grandmother for 23 years. She lived to be 101. Suck my dick.


I had a great grandmother for 19 years. She lived until my grandfather was 75. Can I suck your dick?
 
2012-09-29 02:47:13 AM  

Great Janitor: It appears that you lack the definition of 'in cold blood'. To seek out a target and cause enough harm to end a life for selfish gains is in cold blood. And sometimes, it's not even for any form of gain. The Columbine shootings, for example, was a mass murder that was done in cold blood.

Executioners don't end life in cold blood, often times they are carrying out a state order to end a life. Soldiers, I've known several, some even war vets from WW2 through the first gulf war, who took lives. No, they weren't cold blooded killers, same with Seal Team 6.


So you're saying that strapping someone down to a table and then injecting a combination of drugs to paralyse and then kill them is NOT killing in cold blood? You're saying that rendering someone helpless, attaching electrodes to them and then pulling a switch is NOT cold blood? You're saying that watching an image of a villagers in Yemen, thousands of miles away, trying to help survivors of the missile you fired five minutes ago and then calmly pressing a button to fire another missile at them is NOT cold blood?

The motivations may be different, but if you kill someone deliberately for any reason other than an immediate need to preserve a life, you are doing it in cold blood. That's what "in cold blood" means.
 
2012-09-29 02:49:10 AM  

Great Janitor: orbister: Great Janitor: The age means nothing.

NAMBLA use that argument too, I believe.

Nice logical fallacy you have there.


Where? If children can take a decision to kill and be treated like adults for it, why shouldn't they be treated like adults if they take a decision to have sex? Could you perhaps list the areas in which you think ages does make a difference and the areas in which it doesn't?
 
2012-09-29 02:53:43 AM  

orbister: bowtiesheep: A story that makes me lose my faith and hope in humanity.
A thread that restores it.

Your faith is restored by people calling for two children to be raped, locked up until they die of old age or killed? How are things in Tehran these days?


Fun fact : ln Tehran when they hanged three gay teens, they hanged them from construction cranes, not gallows.
 
2012-09-29 02:54:35 AM  
How about we not decide at what age people are tried as an adults, but make some crimes equally offensive and punishable across all age groups? For instance, premeditated murder and legitimate rape
 
2012-09-29 02:58:07 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


I met mine, at age 7 (they were in their 80s)

Your average american guy life is not so average, american .... or guy like
 
2012-09-29 02:58:33 AM  

grinnel: How about we not decide at what age people are tried as an adults, but make some crimes equally offensive and punishable across all age groups? For instance, premeditated murder and legitimate rape


The question then arises as to whether a particular person was capable of premeditation in any meaningful way, and if you have to apply that question to all ages and not just children, things get interesting.
 
2012-09-29 03:01:35 AM  
So ah what... how do I say this. What...

I'm not sure I...

What... ah... exactly... kind of pizza... was it?

imageshack.us
 
2012-09-29 03:02:21 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


Given that a 10 year old girl recently gave birth to a child, I'm surprised there aren't more great great grandparents out there.
 
2012-09-29 03:03:53 AM  
Is it sad I knew what race they were before I clicked the link?
 
2012-09-29 03:04:45 AM  

grinnel: legitimate rape


We say "rape-rape" around here to differentiate from the other kinds.
 
2012-09-29 03:04:55 AM  

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


I'd go for abortion then. Some might consider 13 too old, but I don't.
 
2012-09-29 03:07:22 AM  

Great Janitor: Executioners don't end life in cold blood


uh yea they do - can I borrow your dictionary I suspect it will forgive me for calling you a dickhead
 
2012-09-29 03:07:36 AM  

bmihura: Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".

I'd go for abortion then. Some might consider 13 too old, but I don't.


55th trimester? In this case I'll allow it.

theinfosphere.org
 
2012-09-29 03:08:46 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


The poor and uneducated tend to start having children at 20 or so. Parent at 20, grandparent at 40, greatgrandparent at 60 and (if you make it, because poor and uneducated people also have lower life expectancies) greatgreatgrandparent at 80.

The better off and educated, on the other hand, tend to leave pupping until 30. so you have to make it to 90 to be a greatgrandparent. Still, you're better off and educated, so you have a pretty fair chance of making it.
 
2012-09-29 03:18:32 AM  

doglover: grinnel: legitimate rape

We say "rape-rape" around here to differentiate from the other kinds.


I thought rape-rape was only if you liked rape???
 
2012-09-29 03:18:49 AM  

orbister: AverageAmericanGuy: This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?

The poor and uneducated tend to start having children at 20 or so. Parent at 20, grandparent at 40, greatgrandparent at 60 and (if you make it, because poor and uneducated people also have lower life expectancies) greatgreatgrandparent at 80.

The better off and educated, on the other hand, tend to leave pupping until 30. so you have to make it to 90 to be a greatgrandparent. Still, you're better off and educated, so you have a pretty fair chance of making it.


In Texas (right next to Mexico) we have the highest percentage of 24-year-old grandmothers. Guess who pays for their food and care?
 
2012-09-29 03:21:23 AM  

orbister: The better off and educated, on the other hand, tend to leave pupping until 30.


Thats a new trend, less than two generations long
 
2012-09-29 03:23:41 AM  
It's bad enough to have one little 13 year old sociopath bludgeon an old lady but to find another pal willing to do the same is quite a feat. What a pair of sick bastards.
 
2012-09-29 03:24:34 AM  

Slartibartfaster: orbister: The better off and educated, on the other hand, tend to leave pupping until 30.

Thats a new trend, less than two generations long


Maybe where you are. Not where I am.
 
2012-09-29 03:28:10 AM  

grinnel: doglover: grinnel: legitimate rape

We say "rape-rape" around here to differentiate from the other kinds.

I thought rape-rape was only if you liked rape???


No, that's grape-ape.
 
2012-09-29 03:33:33 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Smackledorfer: Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.

Yeah, at 13, the judgment centers of your brain aren't fully-formed like an adult. They are capable of understanding what they did was wrong, which is why they should be punished, but they aren't as capable of thinking through the consequences of their actions in the same way that an adult can (or should be able to), which is why they shouldn't face the same penalties as an adult would.

Calling for the death penalty to be applied to someone that isn't even in high school yet makes me ill.


Ignoring the consequences of stealing out of dad's wallet is a whole different world of considering the consequences of embedding a blunt object into your relative's head. That is a whole different world of sick and sometimes adult consequences have to be considered if society doesn't think that sort of sick can be rehabbed out.

This isn't like the stupid kid who play wrestled a little girl to death because he was do dumb to realize he'd break her little body.

It's Wisconsin, there is no death penalty so don't worry.
 
2012-09-29 03:35:31 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


My 3 year old got to meet her great great grandma, two great grandmothers, one great grandfather, and both sets of grandparents.
 
2012-09-29 03:41:13 AM  
Also this is a Sheboygan story. Sheboygan is the Florida of Wisconsin. Amazing all the Farked of crap that comes out of there. I don't understand how that town can generate so many crazy stories.
 
2012-09-29 03:49:29 AM  

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


There's no surgery or psychological "off-switch" for psychopathy. Child psychopaths grow up to be adult psychopaths. Life in prison or the death penalty are the only ways to protect society from them.
 
2012-09-29 03:58:38 AM  

doglover: grinnel: doglover: grinnel: legitimate rape

We say "rape-rape" around here to differentiate from the other kinds.

I thought rape-rape was only if you liked rape???

No, that's grape-ape.


Who's ever heard of a forty foot gori-l-l-l-la?
 
2012-09-29 04:02:22 AM  

CallMeGomer: AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?
Let me guess, math and science aren't your strong subjects. At 21 my daughter was born. I am now 64 and my granddaughter is 16. So if she is a good girl, I will still be a great GP at 68 or 69. If I had waited until I was 31 then I would still be great at 78 or thereabouts. My mother lived to be 94 and had great great. The longevity of people is one of our big population and job problems.


"granddaughter is 16. So if she is a good girl, I will still be a great GP at 68 or 69."

I take it she shan't be a doctor, lawyer, engineer, scientist, entrepreneur, researcher, teacher, or a nurse?

Well, Walmart will always need part time cashiers, and SOMEBODY has to watch the teevee in the day time, I guess. Congrats on your family, best wishes.
 
2012-09-29 04:11:20 AM  

ambercricket: Life in prison or the death penalty are the only ways to protect society from them.


Life in prison costs society a LOT of money, and goes on for years, and never really removes the possibility they will never hurt someone else. Remember that guy who stabbed an autistic cellmate to death weeks before the victim's release just so he could get the death penalty and not have to be in jail anymore? Probably not a unique story as you'd think.
 
2012-09-29 04:16:04 AM  

bowtiesheep: A story that makes me lose my faith and hope in humanity.
A thread that restores it.


Baying for blood doesn't exactly tickle me inside.
It's an easy thing to do, it doesn't exactly take any great moral stand, restraint, or compassion to call for the incarceration or killing of someone who hacked up dear old gran with an axe. All it takes is anger, and I've never known humankind to have any lack of that.


Great Janitor: The age means nothing.


Except it does. What if the kid was 7? Would it matter then? If so, what's the cutoff point and why?
 
2012-09-29 04:31:41 AM  

doglover: ambercricket: Life in prison or the death penalty are the only ways to protect society from them.

Life in prison costs society a LOT of money, and goes on for years, and never really removes the possibility they will never hurt someone else.


Sure it costs money. It also costs money to execute someone, especially in court costs. But either way, it is the cost of running a civlized, compassionate society. Our evidence against someone is almost never perfect. MANY convictions have been reversed, but once you exact the death penalty the conviction is final. The state executing an innocent person is an inexcusable travesty. And even aside from that, I simply do not condone the idea of a government killing its citizens in retribution. Vengeance is not a useful or desirable function for the justice system to undertake, or to enable its citizens to undertake.

If you're truly concerned about the cost of keeping people incarcerated, you should start with reforming prisons into actual correctional facilities instead of criminal factories, and yes, that might require treating criminals with more civility. Recidivism rates are truly awful, and prisoners are expensive to keep. If you want to save money, we should be putting as few people back into prison as possible.
 
2012-09-29 04:33:53 AM  

orbister: Maybe where you are. Not where I am


My wife is a scot by blood (Morrison) - it is similar in her background

The tendency to breed in the 30s is a relatively new trend (it was not that way two to three generations back)

My great grandmother (Irish) met me, My son's great grandmother (Maori) met him.

I had my son at age 30, my daughter when I was 37. This late breeding pattern is quite new.
My mother was 21 when she had me and I was her third.
 
2012-09-29 04:38:00 AM  
'Sociopathy' is a clinical designation. If our players feature deficient hardware then this is a fact in mitigation. It is schizoidal to seek out a scientific term of art and then equate it with 'evil.' Calling someone 'evil' is an act of a third-rate theologian, not a scientist. This clangs. It is inconsistent to start talking scientifically and finish talking in existential terms.
 
2012-09-29 04:47:41 AM  

Gawdzila: I simply do not condone the idea of a government killing its citizens in retribution.


It's not about retribution. It's about protection.

If Old Yeller has rabies, you have to put him down.

If Little Timmy kills great grandma with a hatchet for pizza money, you have to put him down.


news.doddleme.com

It's to keep society safe. Some things just can't be cured.
 
2012-09-29 04:50:57 AM  

Gawdzila: bowtiesheep: A story that makes me lose my faith and hope in humanity.
A thread that restores it.

Baying for blood doesn't exactly tickle me inside.
It's an easy thing to do, it doesn't exactly take any great moral stand, restraint, or compassion to call for the incarceration or killing of someone who hacked up dear old gran with an axe. All it takes is anger, and I've never known humankind to have any lack of that.


Great Janitor: The age means nothing.

Except it does. What if the kid was 7? Would it matter then? If so, what's the cutoff point and why?


There is no cut off, and here is why: when I have physically hurt someone (something I haven't done since I was a kid), it was in an emotional state where there was no thought, and it was never planned. I never hurt someone planning on doing it. It was always the end result of an event that escalated suddenly and rapidly. For example, hanging out with friends, my sister says something that she means to be funny, but it's not, I get offended, we verbally fight and it ends with me in a heightened emotional state, punching her. And what happens next is either she hits back or she runs crying to our parents.

This is not what happened. This was a planned event. These kids went into a situation planning to do harm to someone, and for one kid, it was a family member. That is not normal. It is not normal to plan to harm or kill a human, it's not normal to see a cat or a dog outside and say "I think I'm going to take that animal and beat it to death". It doesn't matter if it were a three year old or a seven year old or an eight-teen year old. If a person is sick enough at any age to kill another human being, they should either be locked away for life in a mental health facility or executed.

One thing that I do want to mention, is that many serial killers started out harming small animals like cats and dogs then moved on to humans. I would not be surprised to learn that these kids also had a history of killing small animals, thinking of it as a game.

Now, if you notice, I have been mentioning two options, death and mental health hospitals, not prison. And that's because of their age. Either we send kids like this to a mental health facility and learn what we can from them, or we put them down like Old Yeller. Prison won't do any good. These are 13 year old kids. They go to prison for this murder. Let's say they only serve 20 years. So they are 33 when they get out. What life do they have? No chance at any kind of decent job, a felony conviction for murder that will follow them everywhere they go. They will only go back to prison. And if they are as messed up in the head as I believe them to be, it could be a murder conviction that sends them back to prison. Prison for life with no chance at parole is the worst punishment imaginable. I was told by people in this thread that an executioner kills in cold blood. That's a narrow minded judgmental viewpoint. When the only other option is life in prison with no chance at parole, execution is a mercy killing. I've seen several of those documentary shows about life inside prisons here in the U.S. To sentence someone to that for life with zero chance of getting out is cruel and unusual punishment. And to do that to a 13 year old is sadistic. But to take a 13 year old who murdered in cold blood and showed zero remorse for it, and say "Okay, prison until 18 years old." is insane. It's asking for these kids to do it again.

I have two nieces, one is five years old, the other is eleven. If I woke up tomorrow and learned that they killed anyone, I'd advocate for them to either be executed or put into a mental health facility. The age doesn't matter. In some ways, it makes it more horrifying to think that someone so young could be capable of taking another life, or in one kid's case, the life of his own great grandmother.
 
2012-09-29 04:58:02 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


My grandmother is in her 90's, my sister is in her 30's and has two kids, 12 and 8. So at least those two kids and my brother's kid have a surviving great-grandparent. I even remember meeting her mother- my own great-grandmother- at least three or four times. She spoke no English and I barely spoke Spanish at that age, but I had a surviving great-grandparent in living memory.
 
2012-09-29 05:09:46 AM  

Great Janitor: When the only other option is life in prison with no chance at parole, execution is a mercy killing.


The minister in my old church did work with people on death row. The people that he worked with absolutely did not wan to die. They fought their execution as hard as they could. Hey, maybe you'd want to die because of something you saw on TV (and when has TV ever misrepresented anything?), but don't project that onto other people. If you want to
 
2012-09-29 05:10:14 AM  

TiMthisIS: It's bad enough to have one little 13 year old sociopath bludgeon an old lady but to find another pal willing to do the same is quite a feat. What a pair of sick bastards.


Came for Elephant reference, leaving disappointed.
 
2012-09-29 05:10:43 AM  
Argh, accidentally the whole thing.

If you want to die, hey, it's pretty hard to stop someone determined to die.
 
2012-09-29 05:20:37 AM  

orbister: bowtiesheep: A story that makes me lose my faith and hope in humanity.
A thread that restores it.

Your faith is restored by people calling for two children to be raped, locked up until they die of old age or killed? How are things in Tehran Texas these days?


FTFY
 
2012-09-29 05:26:36 AM  
Make these two douchebags fight each other to the death with hammers and hatchets, then lock up the survivor for life.
 
2012-09-29 05:44:11 AM  

doglover: Gawdzila: I simply do not condone the idea of a government killing its citizens in retribution.

It's not about retribution. It's about protection.


I agree, which is why I advocate lifetime incarceration for people who shouldn't be returned to society. It protects us from them without the messy business of the falsely convicted or the moral issue of state sanctioned killings.

Yet many people don't seem to agree. I'm not saying this is you, but there are a very large number of people who advocate the death penalty "because they deserve it".


Great Janitor: I have two nieces, one is five years old, the other is eleven. If I woke up tomorrow and learned that they killed anyone, I'd advocate for them to either be executed or put into a mental health facility. The age doesn't matter.


Wow, you're a sick puppy. And apparently not very knowledgeable about neurology or psychology.


Great Janitor: It is not normal to plan to harm or kill a human, it's not normal to see a cat or a dog outside and say "I think I'm going to take that animal and beat it to death". It doesn't matter if it were a three year old or a seven year old or an eight-teen year old.


It isn't normal for most people, sure, but it depends on their upbringing. You are very much overestimating how much morality is pre-programmed in us, or at least how easy it is to damage that sense of morality. Through truly awful life circumstances and/or violent, irresponsible, unloving, or otherwise damaged parents or parental relationships, sometimes children grow up with the idea that violence is normal, or acceptable, or necessary.

The reason the age DOES make a difference is because brains are very highly changeable, especially at young ages. The older one gets, the more these ideas and behaviors are ingrained. But kids... 5, 8, 12, even into teenage-hood, are malleable enough that you can teach them to un-learn the terrible modes of thinking and emotional experience that they learned earlier in life. But instead of trying to find out what caused them to have such a broken sense of right and wrong and try to fix it (the entire reason the profession of psychology exists), you think it's preferable to have the state murder a 11-year-old or even a 5-year-old? I don't care how you justify it to yourself -- as a "mercy killing" or whatever you think makes it okay -- that's just farking sick.
 
2012-09-29 05:46:21 AM  

Kevin72: jmr61: rebelyell2006: AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?

Because white trash will still pop out their first litters when they turn 16.

I had a great grandmother for 23 years. She lived to be 101. Suck my dick.

I had a great grandmother for 19 years. She lived until my grandfather was 75. Can I suck your dick?


C'mon you cocksuckers, there are other forums for that!
 
2012-09-29 06:11:36 AM  

Gawdzila: I agree, which is why I advocate lifetime incarceration for people who shouldn't be returned to society. It protects us from them


But it doesn't. It only protects SOME people. Prisons require guards, and money, and prisoners. These worthless shiat factories will be wasting or endangering all of these things. And what if they escape? You think time behind bars from the age of 13 will make them BETTER people?

It's a horrible punishment, imprisonment. It's a sublime torture that helps no one and hurts everyone.
 
2012-09-29 06:13:51 AM  

Gawdzila: It's an easy thing to do, it doesn't exactly take any great moral stand, restraint, or compassion to call for the incarceration or killing of someone who hacked up dear old gran with an axe. All it takes is anger, and I've never known humankind to have any lack of that.


Well put, sir.
 
2012-09-29 06:18:18 AM  

Slartibartfaster: The tendency to breed in the 30s is a relatively new trend (it was not that way two to three generations back)


I left school in Glasgow thirty years ago. Most of my classmates had professional parents and most of them were in their fifties. Grandparental deaths were very common amongst my classmates. I'll grant you that the ages have slipped up a bit, and 20/30 now were probably 17/27 thirty years ago, but it has been the case for a long time that the poor breed younger.
 
2012-09-29 06:38:49 AM  

Smackledorfer: Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".

Agreed, and not because I think we have good odds of fixing these kids.

Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.


Ah, the joy that is Zero Tolerance - because that's the same logic you're using.

Life isn't binary, and it's possible that one day you'll grow up to recognize that.
 
2012-09-29 06:49:05 AM  

Gawdzila: doglover: ambercricket: Life in prison or the death penalty are the only ways to protect society from them.

Life in prison costs society a LOT of money, and goes on for years, and never really removes the possibility they will never hurt someone else.

Sure it costs money. It also costs money to execute someone, especially in court costs. But either way, it is the cost of running a civlized, compassionate society. Our evidence against someone is almost never perfect. MANY convictions have been reversed, but once you exact the death penalty the conviction is final. The state executing an innocent person is an inexcusable travesty. And even aside from that, I simply do not condone the idea of a government killing its citizens in retribution. Vengeance is not a useful or desirable function for the justice system to undertake, or to enable its citizens to undertake.

If you're truly concerned about the cost of keeping people incarcerated, you should start with reforming prisons into actual correctional facilities instead of criminal factories, and yes, that might require treating criminals with more civility. Recidivism rates are truly awful, and prisoners are expensive to keep. If you want to save money, we should be putting as few people back into prison as possible.


Vengeance = votes. The politicians in most cases are intelligent and logical enough to know that a revenge-based justice system is terrible for society in the long run, but they toss ethics out the window so they can get voted in by the uninformed. the innocent and mental cases go to jail and die. Inmates treated like dogs act like them when they get out.
 
2012-09-29 06:55:50 AM  

Smackledorfer: Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".

Agreed, and not because I think we have good odds of fixing these kids.

Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.


kids are presumed to be to young and inexperienced to form intent because many of that age are, but some aren't, and for that reason the presumption can be overcome. so no, it isn't just true or not true. as always, it depends on the particular circumstances.
 
2012-09-29 07:10:56 AM  

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


/Sorry but you're wrong. If a crime is heinous enough they can do that. I think that this would qualify. Loose change. Sighs. Idiots.
 
2012-09-29 07:11:12 AM  
For those few calling for the death penalty/execution - Wisconsin hasn't had a death penalty for about a hundred and fifty years, because it was outlawed in the mid-1800s by voters who recognized it for the disgusting, worthless, vile spectacle it is. The state has, subsequently, had one of the lowest murder rates in the US. So no, you cannot kill these children because you feel like it.

Because they are children. They're not old enough to drink, smoke, or fark. Children - nearly ALL children - are vicious little ego machines. Toddlers will just straight-up bite you on the leg if they're in a bad mood. Empathy and responsibility are things that we teach our children, as a society. If anything, these kids seem bizarrely underdeveloped - like they're still in the "bite people on the leg" phase of emotional and ethical maturity. I once attacked someone with an aluminum baseball bat when I was thirteen. It was not justified in any way, I was just still a vicious little monster and hadn't grown the fark up yet. (Also, he didn't really get hurt, because he ran like hell, though I did break his watch.) It's twenty years later now, and I'm a relatively productive member of society.

They're shiats, they are. These children are evil little shiats. But thirteen is too young to say that someone is fated to always be an evil shiat for the rest of their life.
 
2012-09-29 07:25:54 AM  
I'd go with the "My hair is a harvest mouse nest" defense.

www.nydailynews.comwww.bbc.co.uk
 
2012-09-29 07:49:10 AM  

Great Janitor: orbister: bowtiesheep: A story that makes me lose my faith and hope in humanity.
A thread that restores it.

Your faith is restored by people calling for two children to be raped, locked up until they die of old age or killed? How are things in Tehran these days?

The thread is full of people calling for two killers to be locked up until they die of old age or executed. The age means nothing.


It is because they are hideously ugly. If they were two cute preteen girls, or babbling infants nobody would be calling for the death penalty.
 
2012-09-29 08:13:44 AM  

Great Janitor: AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?

So we've ended teen pregnancy???


My cousin's baby has 5 great grandparents, and she didn't have him until she was 30. Her parents and grandparents were all in their 20s when they had their kids. People are just living longer.
 
2012-09-29 08:22:18 AM  
What's with the fancy green tee-shirts? Is that how they are outfitting all this year's Nexus models?

There's no real need for argument about punishing them. They need to vivisect and study these two, and make sure they iron out the bugs in this model. If this sort of thing keeps up replicants won't even be allowed on earth within a few decades.

Sounds like the family of the deceased has a good case against the Tyrell Corporation at least. Hopefully they settle out of court.
 
2012-09-29 08:55:08 AM  
Amazing how all the posters from yesterday's thread who knew the suspects would be black before they clicked aren't here. Guess the cross burnings ran late last night.
 
2012-09-29 09:30:20 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


I do. My 4 year old has a great great grandmother. I'm 31, my dad is 58, my grandmother is 80 and my great grandmother is 99.
 
2012-09-29 09:40:11 AM  

Great Janitor: Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".

They knew what they were doing. Charge as an adult, put the death penalty as an option.


fark that, just have a guard "accidentally" cut the camera feed to their cells and then string the farkers up. I can see the article now; "Distraught over their actions and their probable lifetime incarceration, the two boys hung themselves while awaiting trial. It is unclear at this time why cameras were not on the boys and why checks were only done every three hours. The families are awaiting autopsy results."
 
2012-09-29 10:09:30 AM  

The5thElement: Old news is old.


Yeah, this was new news when I submitted a different article a week ago that was redlit. There was fresh outrage in the local paper yesterday because Nancy Grace jumped on the story and was spewing inaccuracies - the same inaccuracies that are repeated in this article. They did not go to get loose change so they could eat pizza. They told the cops that they went there with the intention of killing the woman. I can't imagine what they must have been thinking.

Google the names and look at different articles for a more accurate story.

/submitter, finally
 
2012-09-29 10:26:10 AM  
 
2012-09-29 10:34:36 AM  
Send them into the cornfield.
 
2012-09-29 10:37:33 AM  

Gawdzila: you should start with reforming prisons into actual correctional facilities instead of criminal factories


Problem: Nobody has any farking idea how to actually do that; every experiment in rehabilitation of criminals that's been tried has failed miserably.

There are, in fact, only three known ways to reduce recidivism rates. Execution, imprisonment until late middle age, and castration.

Everything else is as effective as homeopathy.
 
2012-09-29 10:59:25 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


My nephews have a great grandma. She still gets around just fine and, by all appearances, has many more years of gambling and drinking too much Bud Light left in her.
 
2012-09-29 11:01:08 AM  

hodge-podge: [i49.tinypic.com image 500x282]


Once the hyperdrive is fixed I'll take you with me.
 
2012-09-29 11:07:51 AM  

doglover: mkrieger: Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".

You are wrong

Actually, he's got a point.

Don't charge 'em as adults.

Don't even charge 'em as kids.

Charge 'em as transformers, and I don't mean the robots.

Good Point.

 
2012-09-29 11:09:08 AM  
AbbeySomeone: vudukungfu: Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".

Sorry. There's hair on their balls.
They can walk the halls.

Either euthenise them or park them where they ain't getting out.

grass on the field...

Just put these boys down now or at least sterilize casrate them. They planned this and felt it was OK to behave this way. Time in incarceration isn't going to improve them.

FIFY.
 
2012-09-29 11:10:39 AM  
My guess is that one of the two (and just judging by the mugshots, probably the one on the left) is a sick and twisted fark who had a heavy influence over the boy on the right who seems to have remorse in his eyes. Just doesn't seem likely that they are both harboring the same amount of crazy. So send the crazy kid to a hospital till he stops living and send the other one to juvy till he's 18 and re-evaluate his condition.
 
2012-09-29 11:13:18 AM  

DisregardTheFollowing: My guess is that one of the two (and just judging by the mugshots, probably the one on the left) is a sick and twisted fark who had a heavy influence over the boy on the right who seems to have remorse in his eyes. Just doesn't seem likely that they are both harboring the same amount of crazy. So send the crazy kid to a hospital till he stops living and send the other one to juvy till he's 18 and re-evaluate his condition.


Yeah, but re-evaluate great-grandma's condition first.
 
2012-09-29 11:15:29 AM  

lizardbrain: DisregardTheFollowing: My guess is that one of the two (and just judging by the mugshots, probably the one on the left) is a sick and twisted fark who had a heavy influence over the boy on the right who seems to have remorse in his eyes. Just doesn't seem likely that they are both harboring the same amount of crazy. So send the crazy kid to a hospital till he stops living and send the other one to juvy till he's 18 and re-evaluate his condition.

Yeah, but re-evaluate great-grandma's condition first.


You can if you want but that's gonna smell awful.
 
2012-09-29 11:40:43 AM  

DisregardTheFollowing: My guess is that one of the two (and just judging by the mugshots, probably the one on the left) is a sick and twisted fark who had a heavy influence over the boy on the right who seems to have remorse in his eyes. Just doesn't seem likely that they are both harboring the same amount of crazy. So send the crazy kid to a hospital till he stops living and send the other one to juvy till he's 18 and re-evaluate his condition.


Send them both to the reaper now, and feel bad later in a nicer world where at least two murderous monsters won't kill any more old ladies for pocket change; y'know if a world without monsters who kill their own kin with a hatchet for pocket money are what you feel sorry without.
 
2012-09-29 11:59:40 AM  

doglover: DisregardTheFollowing: My guess is that one of the two (and just judging by the mugshots, probably the one on the left) is a sick and twisted fark who had a heavy influence over the boy on the right who seems to have remorse in his eyes. Just doesn't seem likely that they are both harboring the same amount of crazy. So send the crazy kid to a hospital till he stops living and send the other one to juvy till he's 18 and re-evaluate his condition.

Send them both to the reaper now, and feel bad later in a nicer world where at least two murderous monsters won't kill any more old ladies for pocket change; y'know if a world without monsters who kill their own kin with a hatchet for pocket money are what you feel sorry without.


Oddly enough the only flaw I see in that logic (and it's a biggie) is that our society won't allow it. I wouldn't shed a tear if they were both hanged outside of the nearest Hot Topic to send a message to all the other little creeps. The presence of that sort of justice may very well detour thought processes that lead to that sort of action. I.E. one asshole kid says to the other "Yea we could do that, but you know they are just gonna kill us back tomorrow."

/Glad we are not that barbaric
//Slippery slope and whatnot
 
2012-09-29 12:13:08 PM  
Obviously part of the 47%.
 
2012-09-29 12:29:44 PM  

someonelse: Amazing how all the posters from yesterday's thread who knew the suspects would be black before they clicked aren't here. Guess the cross burnings ran late last night.


For real. Where is my cookie for assuming they were sick little crackers?
 
2012-09-29 12:49:51 PM  

scalpod: Watch out for child predators!


+1, Sir.

locuslatus.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-29 01:15:15 PM  

qualtrough: Kevin72: jmr61: rebelyell2006: AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?

Because white trash will still pop out their first litters when they turn 16.

I had a great grandmother for 23 years. She lived to be 101. Suck my dick.

I had a geat grandmother for 19 years. She lived until my grandfather was 75. Can I suck your dick?

C'mon you cocksuckers, there are other forums for that!



GET USED TO IT. No one says to find another forum when someone says " I'd hit it, boobies in envelope, or MILF" (or even VPILF up until a week after the convention when we found out what a vapid dizzbrain she was).
 
2012-09-29 01:20:30 PM  

Great Janitor: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Great Janitor: These people took a life. They thought so little of the life that they took that they ate a pizza afterwards. They are animals, not human. The humane thing is to execute them.

Ah, I didn't realize you were a mental health professional that has had a chance to interview them in a professional capacity. Obviously I will defer to your expertise in the matter.

It doesn't take a mental health professional to see that these two boys need to either be locked away in a mental health facility for life or executed. No healthy person, regardless of age, kills another person in cold blood.


So you admit that you aren't healthy, because you are here calling for the killing of two 13 year olds in cold blood (or did you not know what cold blood means? It means you aren't killing them in self defense or through an emotional rage, but rather a planned ahead choice to take their lives).
 
2012-09-29 01:22:43 PM  

insertcutename: AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?
.


10/10. Perfect troll. Sasha and Malia Obama both have a great-grandmother since Obama's Kenyan grandma is still around.
 
2012-09-29 01:25:08 PM  

Carousel Beast: Smackledorfer: Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".

Agreed, and not because I think we have good odds of fixing these kids.

Kids are tried as kids because they are supposedly too young to appreciate their crimes. This is either true or it isn't.

Ah, the joy that is Zero Tolerance - because that's the same logic you're using.

Life isn't binary, and it's possible that one day you'll grow up to recognize that.


Amusing choice of words. Perhaps I should be tried as a child if I killed you then?
 
2012-09-29 01:34:44 PM  

doglover: Gawdzila: I simply do not condone the idea of a government killing its citizens in retribution.

It's not about retribution. It's about protection.

If Old Yeller has rabies, you have to put him down.

If Little Timmy kills great grandma with a hatchet for pizza money, you have to put him down.


[news.doddleme.com image 350x250]

It's to keep society safe. Some things just can't be cured.


We'd better hang their parents, too, then. They're probably still young enough to make more.
 
2012-09-29 01:41:53 PM  

Smackledorfer: Great Janitor: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Great Janitor: These people took a life. They thought so little of the life that they took that they ate a pizza afterwards. They are animals, not human. The humane thing is to execute them.

Ah, I didn't realize you were a mental health professional that has had a chance to interview them in a professional capacity. Obviously I will defer to your expertise in the matter.

It doesn't take a mental health professional to see that these two boys need to either be locked away in a mental health facility for life or executed. No healthy person, regardless of age, kills another person in cold blood.

So you admit that you aren't healthy, because you are here calling for the killing of two 13 year olds in cold blood (or did you not know what cold blood means? It means you aren't killing them in self defense or through an emotional rage, but rather a planned ahead choice to take their lives).


I find it to be perfectly human and healthy to want those two to take a dirt nap. There is a world of difference between some "loads that should have been swallowed" beating a 70 year old woman then burying an ax in her face and the guy who wants to see them burn for doing it. Most people want to correct a wrong that debased in a very extreme way. Wanting someone to die and actually killing them are two very different things. There are plenty of people I'd love to see bite it, however I'm not going to die with anyone's death on MY conscience.

/I'll giggle when they go though
 
2012-09-29 02:13:11 PM  

DisregardTheFollowing: The presence of that sort of justice may very well detour thought processes that lead to that sort of action.


Take a look at the levels of violent crime in those cultures and then come back and try to say that violent retribution on the criminals will keep us safe.

Then take a look at the thought process of these 13 year old kids (or any murderer really) and ask yourself whether or not you think they were making a rational decision weighing the pros and cons of their actions. If they weren't, then upping the ante on punishment isn't going to make much difference.
 
2012-09-29 02:14:58 PM  

Avery614: find it to be perfectly human and healthy to want those two to take a dirt nap. There is a world of difference between some "loads that should have been swallowed" beating a 70 year old woman then burying an ax in her face and the guy who wants to see them burn for doing it. Most people want to correct a wrong that debased in a very extreme way. Wanting someone to die and actually killing them are two very different things. There are plenty of people I'd love to see bite it, however I'm not going to die with anyone's death on MY conscience.

/I'll giggle when they go though


While I completely agree there is a difference between killing the innocent and killing the guilty, you are either just trolling or a fairly disturbed person.
 
2012-09-29 02:34:06 PM  

someonelse: Amazing how all the posters from yesterday's thread who knew the suspects would be black before they clicked aren't here. Guess the cross burnings ran late last night.



There's a segment of posters here who simply can't wait to pounce on any story about black criminals (and they've got DOJ and FBI crime statistics seemingly saved on their desktops for any such threads). But when it's a story about white criminals...? Nothing. Nada. Crickets.

Funny that.
 
2012-09-29 02:37:30 PM  

Smackledorfer: you are either just trolling or a fairly disturbed person.


Fairly disturbed is putting it a bit nicely.....

/fun to party with though
 
2012-09-29 02:43:41 PM  

I Browse: There's a segment of posters here who simply can't wait to pounce on any story about black criminals (and they've got DOJ and FBI crime statistics seemingly saved on their desktops for any such threads). But when it's a story about white criminals...? Nothing. Nada. Crickets.

Funny that


Halfheartedly tried to find the clip but I think it was Chris Rock that said;" If an old lady gets knocked over and has her purse stolen it was probably a black guy. Now if the person stole her purse then cut out her eyes and used them for click clacks, you KNOW that's a white guy. White dudes have cornered the marked on crazy killings."

/or something like that
 
2012-09-29 02:46:38 PM  

Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".


Fark that. I say kill them both. They are lost causes.
 
2012-09-29 02:51:55 PM  
I say they need to be locked in a mental hospital, and given a lot of therapy, drugs, shock treatments, and maybe even a few beatings until they are either determined to be cured of their homicidal tendencies, or deemed incurably insane and left to rot in padded rooms until the reaper takes them in the natural course of things.

Prison won't do any good, and execution is too barbaric for someone so young, even if they are horrible. They may be fixable. Getting them out of the environment that produced this behavior is a start. If their brains truly are rotten to the core and immune to psychological repair, then there's no harm in leaving them in a hospital for the rest of their lives.
 
2012-09-29 03:16:46 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: "They also allegedly tried to dispose the victim's body, dragging her to the garage, but then abandoning the plan."

Man this body is HEAVY.... ah fark it.



That's the problem with kids these days. No work ethic. They even had Mom DRIVE them over to the victim's house. Back in my day, when we were going to beat grandma to death with a claw hammer we had to WALK 10 miles uphill, both ways. And we sure as hell we able to drag her body all over the place. Not like these lazy pukes.
 
2012-09-29 03:17:34 PM  
Anecdotally......when I worked in the local schools, the boys who had that haircut were usually the biggest dicks in the class. Smart-mouthed, arrogant, already completely convinced of their superiority, which was kind of funny, since they were young teenagers.

But at least none of those little farkers beat grandma to death.
 
2012-09-29 03:27:28 PM  

Fista-Phobia:


How much hairspray do they have to use to get those side swept mega bangs to stay in place? maybe they needed hairspray money...
 
2012-09-29 04:13:28 PM  

ambassador_ahab: The Southern Dandy: Yeah, they're old enough to be responsible for murder, but don't let them vote or drink a beer. They aren't responsible enough for that.

By that logic, you're basically saying that once you reach a certain age, murder is legal.

The point is, not only did they break the law, but they broke a very serious law, and will not enjoy being locked up with the Booty Bandit.


Not sure if your problem is reading comprehension or just plain farked up logic. How do you get to "murder is legal by a certain age" from what I wrote?
 
2012-09-29 04:40:09 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-29 04:46:57 PM  

The Southern Dandy: ambassador_ahab: The Southern Dandy: Yeah, they're old enough to be responsible for murder, but don't let them vote or drink a beer. They aren't responsible enough for that.

By that logic, you're basically saying that once you reach a certain age, murder is legal.

The point is, not only did they break the law, but they broke a very serious law, and will not enjoy being locked up with the Booty Bandit.

Not sure if your problem is reading comprehension or just plain farked up logic. How do you get to "murder is legal by a certain age" from what I wrote?


I agree with you that ambassador_ahab missed your point, but were you trying to imply that if someone is old enough to make a horribly bad decision and kill somebody, then they should be allowed to drink and vote?
 
2012-09-29 05:10:48 PM  

RogermcAllen: Ambivalence: Granted the murder was gruesom, but 13 is too young to charge someone as an "adult".

They could go go juvenile court if they asked for the money, got denied, pushed her down, and she accidentally died when she hit her head on table.

The fact they they brought the weapons, hit her several times, and tried to stash the body shows that there is truly something wrong with these kids. 

/in my day we respected our elders
//or at least were smart enough to steal from people with more than spare change


But wouldn't this be an argument against charging them as adults? Because they're thirteen-year-olds, this is a case that would require a totally different set of information than for an adult. For example, was this stemming from serious abuse? A neurological condition? Those are questions you must answer with a child that can't always be answered with an adult.

They are not neurologically developed enough for charging them as adults to be anything but trying to hammer in a screw. Sure, it works, but you just totally destroyed the screw, and if you'd been using a screwdriver, it might have been salvageable.
 
2012-09-29 05:21:31 PM  
content8.flixster.com
 
2012-09-29 06:53:55 PM  
Is life imprisonment not more cruel than death? I would much rather be shot by 100 daisy red rider bb guns at a medium pace until dead than live in prison. I seems that the vast majority of posters in this thread agree that prison is punitive and not rehabilitative. Why pay to keep non-contributional monsters like Charlie M and this little Barbeau D-Bag around? Put them in a shiatty cell and give them a cyanide capsule. If they choose to swallow, great. If not, let them rot away. That way it will be their decision and everybody can sleep at night.
 
2012-09-29 07:08:50 PM  

The Southern Dandy: Not sure if your problem is reading comprehension or just plain farked up logic. How do you get to "murder is legal by a certain age" from what I wrote?


Just reverse it. Let's say they are old enough and responsible enough to legally drink beer and vote. Then they must also be old enough and responsible enough to commit murder as well, right?
 
2012-09-29 07:34:55 PM  
At 13, it is possible that these children may be salvageable, but they won't be salvaged. We do not have the resources, or the mindset, to rehabilitate them. If they are so broken at 13 that they think nothing of killing GGma with an axe and going for pizza, and if we lock them up at 13, which needs to happen, then they are done. They will finish maturing, as much as they are ever able to mature, in an environment that makes better criminals, not better humans. They will be further damaged, not healed.

These two are finished. They will never be safe in society. They need to be tried as adults and locked up for life.

/against the DP
 
2012-09-29 08:06:47 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


Dude...go watch that "Honey BooBoo" show. The thumb-headed woman is a grandmother @ 32. *THATS* how you get great-grandmothers these days.
 
2012-09-29 08:30:27 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In this day and age, how are great grandparents still around? In general, the population is aging and having children later and later.

This is just such a weird story. How many people have great grandparents anymore?


My friend's new granddaughter has five GREAT-GREAT grandparents.
 
2012-09-29 09:44:54 PM  
There is one branch of my extended family that we really don't talk about, or to, where for generations they've been popping out the firstborn right around age 15. So Grandma is 30, Great Grandma is 45, Great-great grandma is 60, Great-great-great grandma is 75, and last time I heard, Great-great-great-great grandma was a spry 90.

They live in Florida.
 
2012-09-29 09:58:56 PM  

HighZoolander: The Southern Dandy: ambassador_ahab: The Southern Dandy: Yeah, they're old enough to be responsible for murder, but don't let them vote or drink a beer. They aren't responsible enough for that.

By that logic, you're basically saying that once you reach a certain age, murder is legal.

The point is, not only did they break the law, but they broke a very serious law, and will not enjoy being locked up with the Booty Bandit.

Not sure if your problem is reading comprehension or just plain farked up logic. How do you get to "murder is legal by a certain age" from what I wrote?

I agree with you that ambassador_ahab missed your point, but were you trying to imply that if someone is old enough to make a horribly bad decision and kill somebody, then they should be allowed to drink and vote?


No, the opposite. If someone isn't capable of being responsible for voting, how can we think that they're capable of being responsible for murder?
 
2012-09-29 10:03:07 PM  

ambassador_ahab: The Southern Dandy: Not sure if your problem is reading comprehension or just plain farked up logic. How do you get to "murder is legal by a certain age" from what I wrote?

Just reverse it. Let's say they are old enough and responsible enough to legally drink beer and vote. Then they must also be old enough and responsible enough to commit murder as well, right?


Right. And if they're not old enough, then they're responsible enough, and should therefore be treated differently than we treat adults. That's why we have juvenile courts.
 
2012-09-30 05:38:39 AM  

I Browse: someonelse: Amazing how all the posters from yesterday's thread who knew the suspects would be black before they clicked aren't here. Guess the cross burnings ran late last night.


There's a segment of posters here who simply can't wait to pounce on any story about black criminals (and they've got DOJ and FBI crime statistics seemingly saved on their desktops for any such threads). But when it's a story about white criminals...? Nothing. Nada. Crickets.

Funny that.


Whitey tends to kill those they know. It's the murder of strangers during trivial robberies that really freak people out. I've not noticed white muggers/convenience store robbers being so vicious. But then whitey picks up again in nastiness if they are involved in big time robberies like armored cars. I guess people feel closer to the randomness of being in a store or mugged that they don't want to die because of.
 
2012-09-30 10:10:27 AM  
This thread is full of people who think they know what happened. And then use the information they think they have to call for the death of children.

The Taliban is live and well, and it is right here on fark.
 
2012-09-30 01:48:37 PM  

Aeon Rising: The Taliban is live and well, and it is right here on fark.


Lighten up Francis.

/alive
 
2012-09-30 02:47:36 PM  
great. another reason i can't have 13 year old boys at the house
 
2012-10-02 03:25:23 AM  

Aeon Rising: This thread is full of people who think they know what happened. And then use the information they think they have to call for the death of children.

The Taliban is live and well, and it is right here on fark.


Some of us said no such thing, just 'charge as adults'. Most states aren't using the death penalty currently, so please remember lots of us might not even have been thinking that way at all. Taking them out of society, on the other hand, is probably a good first step for a while.
 
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