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2012-09-28 08:59:13 PM
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: It did well in spite of her. The corporate takeover thing and the Frasier/crazy girl marriage thing was very not-cheers.


Are you talking about Frasier/Lilith? That was actually the best part of the show for the longest while.
2012-09-28 08:53:11 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: I should note, after reading, that my response of West Wing is obviously to the headline of 'greatest show ever' not 'greatest comedy ever.' I can't comment on Cheers because I never watched it, but to me, Scrubs is the best comedy I've ever seen, not only because it was hilarious, but because when it was serious, it was better than most dramas ever could be.


Scrubs couldn't wash Cheers's* balls. And I loved Scrubs.

*I know it looks awkward, I had to look it up.
2012-09-28 08:50:43 PM
2 votes:
Cheers was okay.
Frasier was much better.

But the best TV show ever? That was "Homicide: Life on the Street".
2012-09-28 08:48:59 PM
2 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: But Cheers wasn't the best. The last few years it was really, really horrible.


The dreaded "Rebecca" years.
2012-09-28 08:43:55 PM
2 votes:

SpikeStrip: and woody would be the only one to go on to have a substantive career. go figure.


Kesley Grammer, Ted Danson actually went on to other hit series.

But Cheers wasn't the best. The last few years it was really, really horrible.

Fraiser, however, actually holds up really, really well with time.
2012-09-29 10:26:13 PM
1 votes:

born_yesterday: Dr Cox, where do you think we are?

/chills


That whole episode would have worked a lot better if JambalayaDingDong hadn't pulled the same trick in The Sixth Sense three years earlier.
2012-09-29 07:22:11 PM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: robmilmel: Darth_Lukecash: But Cheers wasn't the best. The last few years it was really, really horrible.

The dreaded "Rebecca" years.

"Dreaded"

Without a change, the show would have been dead by season 7.

No way it lasted longer than that if Shelly Long stays and it becomes the Sam and Diane show.

And the "dreaded" Rebecca years includes one of the most well known episodes ever, you person who has never been in my kitchen.


That's always been my assessment of "Cheers" (and I say this as someone who preferred Diane to Rebecca). Although it was touched on in the article, there was a fair amount of tension building up between Shelley and nearly everyone else on the show during her last year or two. If she had decided to stick around, I have little doubt things would've gotten worse and "Cheers" would've ended up imploding like "Moonlighting" did.


lollipophead: Not even in my top 25. Boring and dumbed down for the masses with Ted Danson's acting being cringe-worthy. And the Diane chick too. Ugh


0/10. Bzzzzzzzzz! Sorry, thanks for playing.
2012-09-29 02:02:50 PM
1 votes:

ZMugg: Thomas made several unflattering remarks about Rhea Perlman and having to kiss her... and Rhea happened to be listening to his show. Not surprisingly, a few weeks later Eddie LeBec was killed in a bizarre Zamboni accident.


You see this golden egg? Watch what happens when I shoot the goose that laid it!
2012-09-29 01:49:55 PM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: SpikeStrip: and woody would be the only one to go on to have a substantive career. go figure.

Not really.

Ted Danson had his own sitcom for 6 years, and is now on CSI.

Kelsey Grammer was on Frasier for 11 years, won multiple awards, and now has a new critically acclaimed series.

Woody's done Natural Born Killers, People vs. Larry Flynt, and No Country For Old Men.


Becker was probably more realistic that 80% of the doctor shows out there.
2012-09-29 12:42:44 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: I should note, after reading, that my response of West Wing is obviously to the headline of 'greatest show ever' not 'greatest comedy ever.' I can't comment on Cheers because I never watched it, but to me, Scrubs is the best comedy I've ever seen, not only because it was hilarious, but because when it was serious, it was better than most dramas ever could be.


Every time you post, it seems you lose more credibility
2012-09-29 09:45:49 AM
1 votes:
After so many years of watching it when it played, it was nice to get a full set and get to watch it in full (and in order),

We've in the middle of watching it (on season 7 now I think), and honestly, the Diane years were much much better...

The show has been great, it's like a room full of idiots that cannot understand that they are idiots and have to out-idiot each others.

But as others have said, at the point that we are in the series, they are turning into parodies... the witty lines are getting fewer, the ideas of the characters have been milked pretty much to death, and they all are starting to look as (the characters) are figuring out how empty they are...it's a bit depressing I find.

What's annoying is that they (the writers) look like they are making the characters to be bipolar or something, as plot line/event are forgotten, the attempts at cheap "jokes" are simply annoying...

examples:

Cliff's being with a woman: he's dated twice and still they go back to him to the notion of him never have been with one.

Norm: from jobless, to the painter/decorator, and still he's never working and never pays his tab. He's supposedly "well-liked" but the reality is that he is a complete jerk, probably the most revolting person of the show.

Sam: while his obsession with women hides the fact that he is just looking for the right one, but that keeps going sour, as they keep making him into something cheap... in time, he went from probably the smartest character, to being dumbed down to a cretin.

Woody is turning into a rude, even obnoxious person as time goes by.

Rebecca, she'shiat "neurotic" and a victim of her own stupidity.

Carla, married to Eddy, claiming how great a husband and the best marriage she has had, but still literally jump on Sam on many occasions to try and convince him to have sex with her. (and still indicates that she'd sleep with others if given a chance). They pushed her character into a disgusting parody of a stereotype of an italian aging waitress.

I'm not saying that it's not a good show, some parts are still fun to watch, but the "best"? maybe until Diane left.

At this point, only Frasier and Lilith stand out as solid characters.

Comparing it to something else, such as Night Court (which we are also watching at this time) and while it took longer to get it going, to make Dan (John Laroquette) have more scenes, and Markie Post permanent, it's a much better show once they get to this point (with John Astin as buddy "but I'm feeling much better now" ). But the show got better once they went from the show being focused on the judge (Harry) to Dan, the true star of the show.

The difference is the growth of the characters, with Cheers, they stagnate and slowly de-evolve.
2012-09-29 09:19:17 AM
1 votes:

bunzer: Sorry, NO... Twilight Zone


Tough to argue with that pick.
2012-09-29 09:00:51 AM
1 votes:
Sorry, NO... Twilight Zone
2012-09-29 08:56:40 AM
1 votes:
Dead LIke Me. That is all.
2012-09-29 06:08:10 AM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Mentat: What I loved about Cheers was the way the ensemble cast worked so well together even given the high turnover rate over the years. It didn't seem to matter who joined up, they quickly became part of the group.

I didn't think there was a high turnover rate on Cheers.

They lost Coach at the end of season 3, and Diane left after season 5.

Everything else was just straight additions to the cast.

/and then you have stuff like Jay Thomas, who was convinced he was going to become a regular cast member right before he got fired and killed off.


He probably would have had he not bashed Rhea Perlman's looks during a radio interview.
2012-09-28 10:14:36 PM
1 votes:

sno man: Darth_Lukecash: Nadie_AZ: It did well in spite of her. The corporate takeover thing and the Frasier/crazy girl marriage thing was very not-cheers.

Are you talking about Frasier/Lilith? That was actually the best part of the show for the longest while.

Bebe Neuwirth is on my Honey Can-Do List. I love my wife.


Oh, she was smoking hot in the show. I don't know what she's done since, but she was smoking hot.

I read the entire article. I had forgotten a lot. I'm watching it on netflix, now. I may take back everything I ever said about the show that was bad.
2012-09-28 10:10:22 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: violentsalvation: Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar

Good point; I should have added a "medical drama" category. Without the demonstrated success of M*A*S*H, there would probably not be "House" or "Quincy M.E." or "St. Elsewhere," "ER," "China Beach,""Chicago Hope," "Grey's Anatomy," and even "Doogie Howser, M.D."

Best ever? No. Best (most influential) medical drama? Definitely.


Except Marcus Welby and Medical Center both debuted three years before MASH, and were both on the air until 1976. And Dr. Kildare and Ben Casey both ran from 1961 to 1966.

MASH was good and all, but let's not say that there were no medical dramas before it.
2012-09-28 09:55:46 PM
1 votes:

SilentStrider: violentsalvation: Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar

Until it got preachy. After that, it was good, but not great.


BJ's mustache is the key.

If BJ has a mustache, Alan Alda has taken over behind the camera, and you can expect to be preached at.

It's like a reverse Riker.
2012-09-28 09:48:14 PM
1 votes:
Note to self: read the thread first.
2012-09-28 08:56:44 PM
1 votes:

robmilmel: Darth_Lukecash: But Cheers wasn't the best. The last few years it was really, really horrible.

The dreaded "Rebecca" years.


"Dreaded"

Without a change, the show would have been dead by season 7.

No way it lasted longer than that if Shelly Long stays and it becomes the Sam and Diane show.

And the "dreaded" Rebecca years includes one of the most well known episodes ever, you person who has never been in my kitchen.
2012-09-28 08:28:08 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: I should note, after reading, that my response of West Wing is obviously to the headline of 'greatest show ever' not 'greatest comedy ever.' I can't comment on Cheers because I never watched it, but to me, Scrubs is the best comedy I've ever seen, not only because it was hilarious, but because when it was serious, it was better than most dramas ever could be.


FTA:
Even if you've never seen Cheers (and, by the way, all 275 episodes are now streaming on Netflix) you've seen its lineage. Amy Poehler and Mike Schur (creators of Parks & Recreation), Bill Lawrence (Scrubs), Dan Harmon (Community), and Shawn Ryan (The Shield) are all fans, if not downright scholars, of Cheers. "I hope and assume that every good comedy writer, no matter the age, has a moment where they discover how great Cheers is," says Poehler, who regularly watches Cheers episodes in her Parks & Recreation trailer. "And I would encourage any young person getting into comedy to sit down and watch it."
2012-09-28 08:25:38 PM
1 votes:
I should note, after reading, that my response of West Wing is obviously to the headline of 'greatest show ever' not 'greatest comedy ever.' I can't comment on Cheers because I never watched it, but to me, Scrubs is the best comedy I've ever seen, not only because it was hilarious, but because when it was serious, it was better than most dramas ever could be.
2012-09-28 08:08:18 PM
1 votes:
I'm sorry, the only correct answer is The West Wing.
 
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