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2012-09-29 09:00:51 AM  
Sorry, NO... Twilight Zone
 
2012-09-29 09:09:11 AM  
You spelled Cop Rock wrong, subby....
 
2012-09-29 09:13:46 AM  
Last year we watched entire seasons up to the leaving of Diane. Damn, that's still a great show. It still hilarious after 30 years.
 
2012-09-29 09:14:44 AM  
"Who are three people who have never been in my kitchen?"
 
2012-09-29 09:17:21 AM  

SaltyDonnie: Fark Me To Tears: Cheers was okay.
Frasier was much better.

But the best TV show ever? That was "Homicide: Life on the Street".

Absolutely correct.


I've been hearing this for years, and I've never watched the show. I'm a hardcore "Law and Order" fan, and I've seen every episode of every series. (except for that, "Trial By Jury" bastardization). I just found out that Richard Belzer was a tie in between the two shows. Guess it's off to the library for a marathon.
 
2012-09-29 09:19:17 AM  

bunzer: Sorry, NO... Twilight Zone


Tough to argue with that pick.
 
2012-09-29 09:35:57 AM  
My housemate when i moved to Boston worked as a waitress at the real cheers.. i have had the distinct honor of drinks on the house at Cheers.. im proud.. oh yeah. Great show.
//csb
 
2012-09-29 09:45:49 AM  
After so many years of watching it when it played, it was nice to get a full set and get to watch it in full (and in order),

We've in the middle of watching it (on season 7 now I think), and honestly, the Diane years were much much better...

The show has been great, it's like a room full of idiots that cannot understand that they are idiots and have to out-idiot each others.

But as others have said, at the point that we are in the series, they are turning into parodies... the witty lines are getting fewer, the ideas of the characters have been milked pretty much to death, and they all are starting to look as (the characters) are figuring out how empty they are...it's a bit depressing I find.

What's annoying is that they (the writers) look like they are making the characters to be bipolar or something, as plot line/event are forgotten, the attempts at cheap "jokes" are simply annoying...

examples:

Cliff's being with a woman: he's dated twice and still they go back to him to the notion of him never have been with one.

Norm: from jobless, to the painter/decorator, and still he's never working and never pays his tab. He's supposedly "well-liked" but the reality is that he is a complete jerk, probably the most revolting person of the show.

Sam: while his obsession with women hides the fact that he is just looking for the right one, but that keeps going sour, as they keep making him into something cheap... in time, he went from probably the smartest character, to being dumbed down to a cretin.

Woody is turning into a rude, even obnoxious person as time goes by.

Rebecca, she'shiat "neurotic" and a victim of her own stupidity.

Carla, married to Eddy, claiming how great a husband and the best marriage she has had, but still literally jump on Sam on many occasions to try and convince him to have sex with her. (and still indicates that she'd sleep with others if given a chance). They pushed her character into a disgusting parody of a stereotype of an italian aging waitress.

I'm not saying that it's not a good show, some parts are still fun to watch, but the "best"? maybe until Diane left.

At this point, only Frasier and Lilith stand out as solid characters.

Comparing it to something else, such as Night Court (which we are also watching at this time) and while it took longer to get it going, to make Dan (John Laroquette) have more scenes, and Markie Post permanent, it's a much better show once they get to this point (with John Astin as buddy "but I'm feeling much better now" ). But the show got better once they went from the show being focused on the judge (Harry) to Dan, the true star of the show.

The difference is the growth of the characters, with Cheers, they stagnate and slowly de-evolve.
 
2012-09-29 10:01:45 AM  

qsblues: SaltyDonnie: Fark Me To Tears: Cheers was okay.
Frasier was much better.

But the best TV show ever? That was "Homicide: Life on the Street".

Absolutely correct.

I've been hearing this for years, and I've never watched the show. I'm a hardcore "Law and Order" fan, and I've seen every episode of every series. (except for that, "Trial By Jury" bastardization). I just found out that Richard Belzer was a tie in between the two shows. Guess it's off to the library for a marathon.


The Dr, Lawyer, Cop setup is cliche, contrived, and at their best only qualify as well produced pass the time TV. To be something more you must innovate on several different levels. Dr, Cop, or Lawyer setup is a nonstarter in the conversation for best TV show of all time...with maybe an exception for Mash.
 
2012-09-29 10:52:11 AM  
REBOOT!!!!!!
 
2012-09-29 10:55:54 AM  

GAT_00: I'm sorry, the only correct answer is The West Wing.


i486.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-29 11:08:50 AM  

GAT_00: I should note, after reading, that my response of West Wing is obviously to the headline of 'greatest show ever' not 'greatest comedy ever.' I can't comment on Cheers because I never watched it, but to me, Scrubs is the best comedy I've ever seen, not only because it was hilarious, but because when it was serious, it was better than most dramas ever could be.


Dr Cox, where do you think we are?

/chills
 
2012-09-29 11:18:56 AM  
I never thought Cheers was THAT great. I enjoyed the Shelly Long years, but pretty much quit watching once Kirstie Alley joined the show. I always looked forward to Night Court on Thursdays more than Cheers.
 
2012-09-29 11:21:51 AM  

imfallen_angel: After so many years of watching it when it played, it was nice to get a full set and get to watch it in full (and in order),

We've in the middle of watching it (on season 7 now I think), and honestly, the Diane years were much much better...

The show has been great, it's like a room full of idiots that cannot understand that they are idiots and have to out-idiot each others.

But as others have said, at the point that we are in the series, they are turning into parodies... the witty lines are getting fewer, the ideas of the characters have been milked pretty much to death, and they all are starting to look as (the characters) are figuring out how empty they are...it's a bit depressing I find.

What's annoying is that they (the writers) look like they are making the characters to be bipolar or something, as plot line/event are forgotten, the attempts at cheap "jokes" are simply annoying...

examples:

Cliff's being with a woman: he's dated twice and still they go back to him to the notion of him never have been with one.

Norm: from jobless, to the painter/decorator, and still he's never working and never pays his tab. He's supposedly "well-liked" but the reality is that he is a complete jerk, probably the most revolting person of the show.

Sam: while his obsession with women hides the fact that he is just looking for the right one, but that keeps going sour, as they keep making him into something cheap... in time, he went from probably the smartest character, to being dumbed down to a cretin.

Woody is turning into a rude, even obnoxious person as time goes by.

Rebecca, she'shiat "neurotic" and a victim of her own stupidity.

Carla, married to Eddy, claiming how great a husband and the best marriage she has had, but still literally jump on Sam on many occasions to try and convince him to have sex with her. (and still indicates that she'd sleep with others if given a chance). They pushed her character into a disgusting parody of a stereotype of an italian agi ...


Ever spent much time in a bar? As a former bartender, I'd say that's exactly right. People like these characters are sad, sad people. Their entire lives revolve around the bar. They don't have any real friends-just acquaintances at the bar that they don't really know. I'm much happier now in a different field, because it's nice that weekends mean something.
 
2012-09-29 11:22:26 AM  
"hey, Mr. Peterson! How's life in the fast lane?"
"I don't know I can't find the on-ramp."

//best one IMHO
 
2012-09-29 11:29:34 AM  

bmfderek: Ever spent much time in a bar? As a former bartender, I'd say that's exactly right. People like these characters are sad, sad people. Their entire lives revolve around the bar. They don't have any real friends-just acquaintances at the bar that they don't really know. I'm much happier now in a different field, because it's nice that weekends mean something.


And that's why the show works, because people relate to the characters. Shows like I Love Lucy and The Dick Van Dyke show were brilliant and represent milestones in the genre, but at the same time they were constrained by the social rules of the time. Other shows like Friends break the reality barrier by having young 20 somethings living in posh New York apartments on barrista salaries. Cheers was about people who got stuck in life half-way to their dreams and are now just coasting downward to the end. Mining humor in something like that is a skill and the cast does a great job making it happen.
 
2012-09-29 11:39:32 AM  

bmfderek: Ever spent much time in a bar? As a former bartender, I'd say that's exactly right. People like these characters are sad, sad people. Their entire lives revolve around the bar. They don't have any real friends-just acquaintances at the bar that they don't really know. I'm much happier now in a different field, because it's nice that weekends mean something.


I've seen the bar scene more than enough to have seen it, but then again, coffee/donut shops for elderly people are the exact same thing... heck, even at my old address, the neighbors were the same... (coop townhouses), they'd sit outside day after day, and see which of the other neighbors would provide the best gossip and entertainment. Some places I've worked, the people did this also.

It's something that I've always looked at and wanted to far from it. I've always been amazed at the "friendships" that these people claim to have, went all it always reminds me of, is Billy Joel's song "Piano man". "They share a drink called loneliness, but it's better than drinking alone.)
 
2012-09-29 12:00:33 PM  
I think I Love Lucy is the best show of all time because when my daughter and I watch it she finds it funny. It has broad appeal to every generation without resorting to sexual innuendo.
 
2012-09-29 12:04:48 PM  

plushpuppy: I think I Love Lucy is the best show of all time because when my daughter and I watch it she finds it funny. It has broad appeal to every generation without resorting to sexual innuendo.


Oh, sure, like the giant loaf of bread wasn't a metaphor...
 
2012-09-29 12:09:34 PM  

qsblues: SaltyDonnie: Fark Me To Tears: Cheers was okay.
Frasier was much better.

But the best TV show ever? That was "Homicide: Life on the Street".

Absolutely correct.

I've been hearing this for years, and I've never watched the show. I'm a hardcore "Law and Order" fan, and I've seen every episode of every series. (except for that, "Trial By Jury" bastardization). I just found out that Richard Belzer was a tie in between the two shows. Guess it's off to the library for a marathon.


Make sure you watch the Homcide movie too. It ties things up (though not necessarily nicely).
 
2012-09-29 12:12:27 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Krymson Tyde: JerseyTim: Gary's Olde Towne Tavern is better and you all know it.

What are your thoughts on WPIG?

Best radio you can pick up in Shelbyville.


www.sitcomsonline.com

Gives your comment a "10".
 
2012-09-29 12:42:44 PM  

GAT_00: I should note, after reading, that my response of West Wing is obviously to the headline of 'greatest show ever' not 'greatest comedy ever.' I can't comment on Cheers because I never watched it, but to me, Scrubs is the best comedy I've ever seen, not only because it was hilarious, but because when it was serious, it was better than most dramas ever could be.


Every time you post, it seems you lose more credibility
 
2012-09-29 01:06:36 PM  

SpikeStrip: and woody would be the only one to go on to have a substantive career. go figure.


Watch any good Pixar movies lately?
 
2012-09-29 01:13:54 PM  

RyansPrivates: SpikeStrip: and woody would be the only one to go on to have a substantive career. go figure.

Watch any good Pixar movies lately?


It's a little known fact that smartest animal is a pig. Scientists say if pigs had thumbs and a language, they could be trained to do simple manual labor. They give you 20-30 years of loyal service and then at their retirement dinner you can eat them.
 
2012-09-29 01:17:15 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Fraiser, however, actually holds up really, really well with time.


Never liked Frasier much. Hated his dad. Don't care too much for little dogs either. Hell, the only ones on that show worth a damn, were Bebe Neuwirth and that poncy guy, Niles.
 
2012-09-29 01:23:03 PM  

bmfderek: Ever spent much time in a bar? As a former bartender, I'd say that's exactly right. People like these characters are sad, sad people. Their entire lives revolve around the bar. They don't have any real friends-just acquaintances at the bar that they don't really know. I'm much happier now in a different field, because it's nice that weekends mean something.


Having dated a number of bartenders - I'm happy I'm now with an accountant. At least he doesn't come home smelling like a bar and cigarettes with his feet in pain at 3am every single saturday.
 
2012-09-29 01:26:34 PM  

Crewmannumber6: GAT_00: I should note, after reading, that my response of West Wing is obviously to the headline of 'greatest show ever' not 'greatest comedy ever.' I can't comment on Cheers because I never watched it, but to me, Scrubs is the best comedy I've ever seen, not only because it was hilarious, but because when it was serious, it was better than most dramas ever could be.

Every time you post, it seems you lose more credibility


Agreed. I don't understand how anyone can call The West Wing the 'greatest show ever'. West Wing was incredibly inconsistant. A few great episodes bookmarked by shoddy writing, preaching, plotlines that went no where, and references to musicals no one outside of Syracuse University cared about.
 
2012-09-29 01:49:55 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: SpikeStrip: and woody would be the only one to go on to have a substantive career. go figure.

Not really.

Ted Danson had his own sitcom for 6 years, and is now on CSI.

Kelsey Grammer was on Frasier for 11 years, won multiple awards, and now has a new critically acclaimed series.

Woody's done Natural Born Killers, People vs. Larry Flynt, and No Country For Old Men.


Becker was probably more realistic that 80% of the doctor shows out there.
 
2012-09-29 01:52:10 PM  

KellyKellyKelly: FirstNationalBastard: Mentat: What I loved about Cheers was the way the ensemble cast worked so well together even given the high turnover rate over the years. It didn't seem to matter who joined up, they quickly became part of the group.

I didn't think there was a high turnover rate on Cheers.

They lost Coach at the end of season 3, and Diane left after season 5.

Everything else was just straight additions to the cast.

/and then you have stuff like Jay Thomas, who was convinced he was going to become a regular cast member right before he got fired and killed off.

He probably would have had he not bashed Rhea Perlman's looks during a radio interview.




Jay Thomas was the morning DJ at LA's KPWR-Power 106 when he auditioned for (and won) the role of hockey star Eddie LeBec. He was brought back for several episodes in order to give Carla a story arc, and Eddie and Carla eventually wed on the show. Eddie might have made it to the series finale had Jay Thomas not taken a call on the air one morning asking him "What's it like working on Cheers?" Thomas made several unflattering remarks about Rhea Perlman and having to kiss her... and Rhea happened to be listening to his show. Not surprisingly, a few weeks later Eddie LeBec was killed in a bizarre Zamboni accident.

From the mentalfloss Cheers page
 
2012-09-29 02:02:50 PM  

ZMugg: Thomas made several unflattering remarks about Rhea Perlman and having to kiss her... and Rhea happened to be listening to his show. Not surprisingly, a few weeks later Eddie LeBec was killed in a bizarre Zamboni accident.


You see this golden egg? Watch what happens when I shoot the goose that laid it!
 
2012-09-29 02:06:22 PM  
Not even in my top 25. Boring and dumbed down for the masses with Ted Danson's acting being cringe-worthy. And the Diane chick too. Ugh
 
2012-09-29 02:45:27 PM  

lollipophead: Boring and dumbed down for the masses


You're not cooler than anyone else, you know. Ha, maybe you don't.
 
2012-09-29 03:04:42 PM  

gingerjet: bmfderek: Ever spent much time in a bar? As a former bartender, I'd say that's exactly right. People like these characters are sad, sad people. Their entire lives revolve around the bar. They don't have any real friends-just acquaintances at the bar that they don't really know. I'm much happier now in a different field, because it's nice that weekends mean something.

Having dated a number of bartenders - I'm happy I'm now with an accountant. At least he doesn't come home smelling like a bar and cigarettes with his feet in pain at 3am every single saturday.


Accountants make good embezzlers.

Just saying.
 
2012-09-29 03:08:57 PM  
"Cheers" is a funny way to spell "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
 
2012-09-29 03:28:09 PM  
Best American TV show ever. Doctor Who, Fawlty Towers, Coronation Street, pick you genre.
 
2012-09-29 03:52:02 PM  

The English Major: qsblues: SaltyDonnie: Fark Me To Tears: Cheers was okay.
Frasier was much better.

But the best TV show ever? That was "Homicide: Life on the Street".

Absolutely correct.

I've been hearing this for years, and I've never watched the show. I'm a hardcore "Law and Order" fan, and I've seen every episode of every series. (except for that, "Trial By Jury" bastardization). I just found out that Richard Belzer was a tie in between the two shows. Guess it's off to the library for a marathon.

Make sure you watch the Homcide movie too. It ties things up (though not necessarily nicely).


The HELL you say?
 
2012-09-29 04:02:46 PM  

lollipophead: Not even in my top 25. Boring and dumbed down for the masses with Ted Danson's acting being cringe-worthy. And the Diane chick too. Ugh


\pats on head
 
2012-09-29 04:18:28 PM  

PacManDreaming: Speaker2Animals: WTF? Were you posted to Outer Mongolia for 11 years? The number one show, multiple Emmy winner and you never watched it? OK.

It happens. I've never seen an entire episode of Seinfeld. As in never. Just didn't appeal to me.


So, "Soup Nazi," "Not that there's anything wrong with that," "close talker," "low talker" and all these other pop culture references have you going WTF? And if offered a juicy filet and a glass of 20-year-old Scotch, you'd say, "No thanks, I've got a bowl of creamed spinach and a glass of warm skim milk, " because you just love being different, eh?
 
2012-09-29 04:21:54 PM  

imfallen_angel: bmfderek: Ever spent much time in a bar? As a former bartender, I'd say that's exactly right. People like these characters are sad, sad people. Their entire lives revolve around the bar. They don't have any real friends-just acquaintances at the bar that they don't really know. I'm much happier now in a different field, because it's nice that weekends mean something.

I've seen the bar scene more than enough to have seen it, but then again, coffee/donut shops for elderly people are the exact same thing... heck, even at my old address, the neighbors were the same... (coop townhouses), they'd sit outside day after day, and see which of the other neighbors would provide the best gossip and entertainment. Some places I've worked, the people did this also.

It's something that I've always looked at and wanted to far from it. I've always been amazed at the "friendships" that these people claim to have, went all it always reminds me of, is Billy Joel's song "Piano man". "They share a drink called loneliness, but it's better than drinking alone.)



My local bar is like that, and I think your analysis couldn't be further from the truth.  The bar is our "neighborhood living room".  I don't see anything sad about it, its great.
 
And most everyone there are friends with each other outside the bar.
 
2012-09-29 05:07:26 PM  

Speaker2Animals: So, "Soup Nazi," "Not that there's anything wrong with that," "close talker," "low talker" and all these other pop culture references have you going WTF? And if offered a juicy filet and a glass of 20-year-old Scotch, you'd say, "No thanks, I've got a bowl of creamed spinach and a glass of warm skim milk, " because you just love being different, eh?


Nope, I'm familiar with "Soup Nazi" and "Not that there's anything wrong with that". Seinfeld was just one of those shows that I would catch 10 or 15 minutes of and that was enough for me.

X-Files, Adam-12, Emergency!, Dragnet and That '70s Show(well, at least the first three seasons) are more my type of show.
 
2012-09-29 06:03:46 PM  
Cheers was definitely up there with the best of them. It's a shame reality TV programing and infomercials is the norm now. Just think,, in the mid 70's CBS's Saturday night line up was All in the Family, MASH, Mary Tyler Moore, bob Newhart, and Carol Burnett. In one farking night of programing. Wow. TV will never be that good again. I miss my lawn.
 
2012-09-29 06:47:03 PM  

ZMugg: KellyKellyKelly: FirstNationalBastard: Mentat: What I loved about Cheers was the way the ensemble cast worked so well together even given the high turnover rate over the years. It didn't seem to matter who joined up, they quickly became part of the group.

I didn't think there was a high turnover rate on Cheers.

They lost Coach at the end of season 3, and Diane left after season 5.

Everything else was just straight additions to the cast.

/and then you have stuff like Jay Thomas, who was convinced he was going to become a regular cast member right before he got fired and killed off.

He probably would have had he not bashed Rhea Perlman's looks during a radio interview.



Jay Thomas was the morning DJ at LA's KPWR-Power 106 when he auditioned for (and won) the role of hockey star Eddie LeBec. He was brought back for several episodes in order to give Carla a story arc, and Eddie and Carla eventually wed on the show. Eddie might have made it to the series finale had Jay Thomas not taken a call on the air one morning asking him "What's it like working on Cheers?" Thomas made several unflattering remarks about Rhea Perlman and having to kiss her... and Rhea happened to be listening to his show. Not surprisingly, a few weeks later Eddie LeBec was killed in a bizarre Zamboni accident.

From the mentalfloss Cheers page


Um, yeah, that's what I more or less said.

Seriously, what's with people trying to prove me wrong?
 
2012-09-29 06:55:36 PM  
No love for Married.....With Children?
 
2012-09-29 07:04:05 PM  

KellyKellyKelly: Um, yeah, that's what I more or less said.

Seriously, what's with people trying to prove me wrong?


It wasn't my intention to prove you wrong, but to confirm and add detail.

Your version implied that he was being interviewed, when it was his radio show and he was taking a call. He dissed not only her looks, but kissing her as well.

Not smart Jay.
 
2012-09-29 07:07:23 PM  

ZMugg: KellyKellyKelly: Um, yeah, that's what I more or less said.

Seriously, what's with people trying to prove me wrong?

It wasn't my intention to prove you wrong, but to confirm and add detail.

Your version implied that he was being interviewed, when it was his radio show and he was taking a call. He dissed not only her looks, but kissing her as well.

Not smart Jay.


Hit enter too soon.

My apologies for the unintended diss.
 
2012-09-29 07:22:11 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: robmilmel: Darth_Lukecash: But Cheers wasn't the best. The last few years it was really, really horrible.

The dreaded "Rebecca" years.

"Dreaded"

Without a change, the show would have been dead by season 7.

No way it lasted longer than that if Shelly Long stays and it becomes the Sam and Diane show.

And the "dreaded" Rebecca years includes one of the most well known episodes ever, you person who has never been in my kitchen.


That's always been my assessment of "Cheers" (and I say this as someone who preferred Diane to Rebecca). Although it was touched on in the article, there was a fair amount of tension building up between Shelley and nearly everyone else on the show during her last year or two. If she had decided to stick around, I have little doubt things would've gotten worse and "Cheers" would've ended up imploding like "Moonlighting" did.


lollipophead: Not even in my top 25. Boring and dumbed down for the masses with Ted Danson's acting being cringe-worthy. And the Diane chick too. Ugh


0/10. Bzzzzzzzzz! Sorry, thanks for playing.
 
2012-09-29 08:02:47 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: SpikeStrip: and woody would be the only one to go on to have a substantive career. go figure.

Kesley Grammer, Ted Danson actually went on to other hit series.

But Cheers wasn't the best. The last few years it was really, really horrible.

Fraiser, however, actually holds up really, really well with time.


Frasier is tough to beat. With a DVR, you are able to rewatch some hilarious scenes as well as some subtleties, facial expressions etc. David Hyde-Pierce is given some of the funniest lines and he pulled off some hilarious physical comedy. The imdb.com trivia entries for Frasier are a must read.
 
2012-09-29 10:10:44 PM  

Waldo Pepper: FirstNationalBastard: Waldo Pepper: The Dick Van Dyke show is even better, 5 year run no "dreaded" years and did it all when separate beds where required for a married couple Easily #1


Andy Griffith Show is also in the top 5.

Yeah, but the color years drag down the overall rating of the show.

It was originally supposed to end after a 5 year run, but Andy decided at the last second to sign on for a few more years, while Don Knotts had already committed to a bunch of films for Universal.

the color years are really just a dream and never existed in real life


photos1.blogger.com
 
2012-09-29 10:26:13 PM  

born_yesterday: Dr Cox, where do you think we are?

/chills


That whole episode would have worked a lot better if JambalayaDingDong hadn't pulled the same trick in The Sixth Sense three years earlier.
 
2012-09-29 11:19:58 PM  

GAT_00: I'm sorry, the only correct answer is The West Wing.



I continue to maintain that West Wing is the best Science Fiction show there ever was. Seriously, a smart, educated president who's decisions are informed by a loyal, intelligent staff with no agendas save making America, and by extension, the World a better place for everyone? What were they smoking when they came up with all that crazy stuff? I half expected the Vice President to be a Yeti riding a Unicorn.


/purchased the entire DVD set a few weeks ago
//Halfway through Season 2
 
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