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2012-09-28 10:13:05 PM

SilentStrider: violentsalvation: Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar

Until it got preachy. After that, it was good, but not great.


Few critically influential shows keep from being preachy at one point or another.
 
2012-09-28 10:14:36 PM

sno man: Darth_Lukecash: Nadie_AZ: It did well in spite of her. The corporate takeover thing and the Frasier/crazy girl marriage thing was very not-cheers.

Are you talking about Frasier/Lilith? That was actually the best part of the show for the longest while.

Bebe Neuwirth is on my Honey Can-Do List. I love my wife.


Oh, she was smoking hot in the show. I don't know what she's done since, but she was smoking hot.

I read the entire article. I had forgotten a lot. I'm watching it on netflix, now. I may take back everything I ever said about the show that was bad.
 
2012-09-28 10:16:13 PM

Nadie_AZ: Oh, she was smoking hot in the show. I don't know what she's done since, but she was smoking hot.


She does a lot of Broadway work.
 
2012-09-28 10:21:23 PM
Women: Can't live with 'em...pass the beer nuts.
 
2012-09-28 10:24:10 PM
Nick Colasanto was a freaking genius. I was so sad when he died, and it was great how they always kept a tribute to him.
 
2012-09-28 10:51:12 PM
Cheers is a really good show. Used to love watching it back in college after a little of the "green tobacco substitute". However, as far as best TV show ever is concerned, that title would belong to The X-Files.
 
2012-09-28 10:52:43 PM

HighOnCraic: violentsalvation: Cheers After M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar

/Just kidding!
//Put away the pitchforks!


W*A*L*T*E*R?
 
2012-09-28 10:54:06 PM
How do you pick one?

My top are:

NOVA
Northern Exposure
Star Trek The Next Generation
M*A*SH
I Love Lucy
 
2012-09-28 10:54:25 PM

SpikeStrip: and woody would be the only one to go on to have a substantive career. go figure.


That doesn't really matter though when deciding what rhe best TV comedy was though, does it? I haven't read the thread beyond your post so I apologize if I'm restating previously covered topics. John Ratzenberger has had quite a career in cartoons and Becker was nothing to sneeze at.
 
2012-09-28 11:03:56 PM

vudukungfu: Mentat: Best Norm Ever

See. And call.


I love it.
 
2012-09-28 11:09:51 PM

robmilmel: Darth_Lukecash: But Cheers wasn't the best. The last few years it was really, really horrible.

The dreaded "Rebecca" years.


Yep, that's when I stopped watching.
 
2012-09-28 11:26:16 PM
It's sad that we have had this much discussion and, at the time I started looking for the video, Nicholas Colasanto/Coach had only been mentioned twice. For shame.

Link
 
2012-09-28 11:33:55 PM

Mentat: Best Norm Ever


Indeed.

It's the small jokes that made that show.
 
2012-09-28 11:37:05 PM

FirstNationalBastard: FloydA: violentsalvation: Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar

Good point; I should have added a "medical drama" category. Without the demonstrated success of M*A*S*H, there would probably not be "House" or "Quincy M.E." or "St. Elsewhere," "ER," "China Beach,""Chicago Hope," "Grey's Anatomy," and even "Doogie Howser, M.D."

Best ever? No. Best (most influential) medical drama? Definitely.

Except Marcus Welby and Medical Center both debuted three years before MASH, and were both on the air until 1976. And Dr. Kildare and Ben Casey both ran from 1961 to 1966.

MASH was good and all, but let's not say that there were no medical dramas before it.


Tough call, Were Marcus Welby and Medical Center "medical dramas" or character-based serials? (yeah, you can ask the same question about House and Doogie Howser," fair point.)

In any case, M*A*S*H was not the first medical drama, I agree. "City Hospital" and ITV's "Emergency Ward 10" were a decade, and half a decade (respectively) before Dr. Kildare and Ben Casey.

The point I was making was not "who was first?" (which is a clear, empirical question and you're absolutely right, Ben Casey and Kildare, and for that matter, even "Emergency!" were earlier), but rather "which show was most influential?"

"First ever" does not necessarily equal "best ever." I think that even the most ardent Ben Casey fan will agree that M*A*S*H had more influence on the form and format of subsequent medical dramas than any of the 1950s-1960s era medical dramas had, don't you agree?

I mean whatever you or I might think about the main players, M*A*S*H was one of the first shows to make the transition from a "comedy with some drama" to a "drama with some comedy," and IMO that paved the way for other shows like House, Twin Peaks (and its kid sister "Northern Exposure"), and numerous other shows in which the story was given priority over the laugh track,

(IDK, I'm really drunk, maybe I'm completely full of baloney and getting unnecessarily nostalgic about the television of my youth. Please feel free to tell me to shut up and stop yelling at clouds.)
 
2012-09-28 11:41:29 PM
Cheers was big when I was in high school. My freshman year of college was Rebecca's first season. I remember my English Comp teacher saying she didn't like the way Sam was...I can't remember the word she used, but it was similar to subservient, to Rebecca.
 
2012-09-28 11:41:36 PM

violentsalvation: Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar


Love Cheers, great show, but M*A*S*H remains the best in my book and it's kind of hard to argue with the send-off...
 
2012-09-28 11:44:06 PM

FloydA: FirstNationalBastard: FloydA: violentsalvation: Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar

Good point; I should have added a "medical drama" category. Without the demonstrated success of M*A*S*H, there would probably not be "House" or "Quincy M.E." or "St. Elsewhere," "ER," "China Beach,""Chicago Hope," "Grey's Anatomy," and even "Doogie Howser, M.D."

Best ever? No. Best (most influential) medical drama? Definitely.

Except Marcus Welby and Medical Center both debuted three years before MASH, and were both on the air until 1976. And Dr. Kildare and Ben Casey both ran from 1961 to 1966.

MASH was good and all, but let's not say that there were no medical dramas before it.

Tough call, Were Marcus Welby and Medical Center "medical dramas" or character-based serials? (yeah, you can ask the same question about House and Doogie Howser," fair point.)

In any case, M*A*S*H was not the first medical drama, I agree. "City Hospital" and ITV's "Emergency Ward 10" were a decade, and half a decade (respectively) before Dr. Kildare and Ben Casey.

The point I was making was not "who was first?" (which is a clear, empirical question and you're absolutely right, Ben Casey and Kildare, and for that matter, even "Emergency!" were earlier), but rather "which show was most influential?"

"First ever" does not necessarily equal "best ever." I think that even the most ardent Ben Casey fan will agree that M*A*S*H had more influence on the form and format of subsequent medical dramas than any of the 1950s-1960s era medical dramas had, don't you agree?

I mean whatever you or I might think about the main players, M*A*S*H was one of the first shows to make the transition from a "comedy with some drama" to a "drama with some comedy," and IMO that paved the way for other shows like House, Twin Peaks (and its kid sister "Northern Exposure"), and numerous other shows in which the story was given priority over the laugh track,

(IDK, I'm really drunk, maybe I'm completely full of baloney and getting unnecessarily nostalgic about the television of my youth. Please feel free to tell me to shut up and stop yelling at clouds.)


How's your onion holding up?
 
2012-09-28 11:44:59 PM

Krymson Tyde: Cheers was big when I was in high school. My freshman year of college was Rebecca's first season. I remember my English Comp teacher saying she didn't like the way Sam was...I can't remember the word she used, but it was similar to subservient, to Rebecca.


So she wanted a Dom?
Tell me about her outfits?
 
2012-09-28 11:47:13 PM

spqr_ca: violentsalvation: Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar

Love Cheers, great show, but M*A*S*H remains the best in my book and it's kind of hard to argue with the send-off...


M*A*S*H's last episode was epic, no argument with it being proclaimed the best last episode ever (I was a kid, but I saw it when it aired). But Cheer's was pretty good too.
 
2012-09-28 11:52:27 PM

vudukungfu: Krymson Tyde: Cheers was big when I was in high school. My freshman year of college was Rebecca's first season. I remember my English Comp teacher saying she didn't like the way Sam was...I can't remember the word she used, but it was similar to subservient, to Rebecca.

So she wanted a Dom?
Tell me about her outfits?


She was in her late 40s-early 50s, and at the time I wasn't attracted to her, but in retrospect...a freshman could have done a lot worse physical wise (she was very fit) and probably couldn't have improved very much on throwing-a-good--fark-on-you wise.
 
2012-09-28 11:54:57 PM

vudukungfu: Krymson Tyde: Cheers was big when I was in high school. My freshman year of college was Rebecca's first season. I remember my English Comp teacher saying she didn't like the way Sam was...I can't remember the word she used, but it was similar to subservient, to Rebecca.

So she wanted a Dom?
Tell me about her outfits?


You know, she always read my papers in class as an example of what she wanted. I might have had a shot at her.

fark! WHAT DID I DO?
 
2012-09-28 11:55:08 PM
Nope, Top 5 of all time

1. Seinfeld
2. I Love Lucy
3. Simpsons Seasons 1 - 9
4. Taxi
5. The Honeymooners

Everything else can line up behind
 
2012-09-29 12:31:45 AM

GAT_00: SilentStrider: violentsalvation: Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar

Until it got preachy. After that, it was good, but not great.

Few critically influential shows keep from being preachy at one point or another.


Yeah, but for a while, it had a good balance between comedy and preachiness. Then sometime after Radar left, the balance shifted over into the way too preachy side.
Still, its hard to argue it had one of the best series finales ever.
 
2012-09-29 12:51:01 AM

robmilmel: What's shakin' Norm?
All 4 cheeks and 3 a couple chins.

 

FTFY
 
2012-09-29 12:52:50 AM
I still stop on old episodes of Cheers thinking I'll just watch a minute and I end up laughing and getting absorbed in the whole thing. Great characters, except maybe Carla, she never made me laugh much.
 
2012-09-29 12:54:38 AM

GAT_00: I can't comment on Cheers because I never watched it,


WTF? Were you posted to Outer Mongolia for 11 years? The number one show, multiple Emmy winner and you never watched it? OK.
 
2012-09-29 01:03:10 AM

gilgigamesh: It's funny, I recently saw it was on Netflix and figured I'd watch an episode or 2 to see if it holds up after 30 years. I'm now almost through season 1, and it really does. Really witty, clever timeless comedy. And for a comedy, that is a remarkable achievement.


Damn you ....

/on episode 5
 
2012-09-29 01:32:15 AM
What I loved about Cheers was the way the ensemble cast worked so well together even given the high turnover rate over the years. It didn't seem to matter who joined up, they quickly became part of the group.
 
2012-09-29 01:34:44 AM

Speaker2Animals: WTF? Were you posted to Outer Mongolia for 11 years? The number one show, multiple Emmy winner and you never watched it? OK.


It happens. I've never seen an entire episode of Seinfeld. As in never. Just didn't appeal to me.

And I've never seen an entire episode of Big Bang Theory. It's just too stupid to watch more than a few minutes of it at one time.
 
2012-09-29 01:46:34 AM

Mentat: What I loved about Cheers was the way the ensemble cast worked so well together even given the high turnover rate over the years. It didn't seem to matter who joined up, they quickly became part of the group.


I didn't think there was a high turnover rate on Cheers.

They lost Coach at the end of season 3, and Diane left after season 5.

Everything else was just straight additions to the cast.

/and then you have stuff like Jay Thomas, who was convinced he was going to become a regular cast member right before he got fired and killed off.
 
2012-09-29 03:18:27 AM

FloydA: How do you measure "best" here?

I loved "Cheers," but I wouldn't even call it the "best" sitcom, or best serial, much less the best TV show if you define "best" in terms of influence.

"I Love Lucy" takes best sitcom. (It's hard to say that any sitcom was more influential than that.)
"Star Trek" gets best series. (Come on, seriously, modern life was influenced more by that one show than anything else.)
Either "Soap" or "Twin Peaks" gets the "most innovative serial" award.
"The Prisoner" (Patrick McGoohan's version) gets "most creative show."

Heck, I'll even toss in a few SNL, Kids in the Hall, and SCTV episodes as "funniest shows." (And all of those are overshadowed in the "most consistently entertaining" category by Mystery Science Theater 3000.)

Cheers was neither the funniest, the most innovative, the most creative, the most influential, nor the most original show.

"Cheers" was a good show, maybe even a great show, but it never did anything that hadn't been done before. (That's not a criticism, it's a complement- what audiences needed at the time was a "place where everybody knows your name," something familiar, and that's what the show provided.)

I love Cheers, but "best ever?" I don't think so.


Soap was a Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman knock-off.
 
2012-09-29 06:08:10 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Mentat: What I loved about Cheers was the way the ensemble cast worked so well together even given the high turnover rate over the years. It didn't seem to matter who joined up, they quickly became part of the group.

I didn't think there was a high turnover rate on Cheers.

They lost Coach at the end of season 3, and Diane left after season 5.

Everything else was just straight additions to the cast.

/and then you have stuff like Jay Thomas, who was convinced he was going to become a regular cast member right before he got fired and killed off.


He probably would have had he not bashed Rhea Perlman's looks during a radio interview.
 
2012-09-29 06:19:57 AM
Amy is entitled to her opinion. I find both her and her take on Cheers to be over rated.
 
2012-09-29 06:29:49 AM
I've never seen a single full episode of any TV show, but I feel compelled to post in threads about TV shows anyway.
 
2012-09-29 06:30:16 AM
It insists upon itself.
 
2012-09-29 06:34:29 AM

Clash City Farker: It insists upon itself.


not to mention shallow and pedantic.
 
2012-09-29 06:49:30 AM
A few months ago a younger coworker of mine asked me if I had ever heard of this really great show on Netflix called "Cheers". I said "perhaps". I think it's great that Netflix has opened up the doors to Cheers to a new generation of fans.
 
2012-09-29 06:50:26 AM
No. Not even close. Try again.
 
2012-09-29 06:54:32 AM
I got shut off and thrown out of the real Cheers.
 
2012-09-29 06:55:17 AM
Cheers had a couple weak seasons in the middle with Kirstie Alley. However the Sam and Diane years were probably the best thing ever to air on tv.
 
2012-09-29 07:14:43 AM
Gary's Olde Towne Tavern is better and you all know it.
 
2012-09-29 07:26:19 AM
Cheers was great, but Amy Poehler must be too young to remember the Mary Tyler Moore show. As Sue Ann Nivens would say, bless her heart.
 
2012-09-29 07:27:13 AM
The Dick Van Dyke show is even better, 5 year run no "dreaded" years and did it all when separate beds where required for a married couple Easily #1


Andy Griffith Show is also in the top 5.
 
2012-09-29 07:45:36 AM

JerseyTim: Gary's Olde Towne Tavern is better and you all know it.


What are your thoughts on WPIG?
 
2012-09-29 07:46:25 AM

Krymson Tyde: JerseyTim: Gary's Olde Towne Tavern is better and you all know it.

What are your thoughts on WPIG?


better mascot suit than the Karp
 
2012-09-29 07:52:51 AM

Krymson Tyde: JerseyTim: Gary's Olde Towne Tavern is better and you all know it.

What are your thoughts on WPIG?


They're a bunch of swine.
 
2012-09-29 07:56:19 AM

Waldo Pepper: The Dick Van Dyke show is even better, 5 year run no "dreaded" years and did it all when separate beds where required for a married couple Easily #1


Andy Griffith Show is also in the top 5.


Yeah, but the color years drag down the overall rating of the show.

It was originally supposed to end after a 5 year run, but Andy decided at the last second to sign on for a few more years, while Don Knotts had already committed to a bunch of films for Universal.
 
2012-09-29 08:00:06 AM

Fark Me To Tears: Cheers was okay.
Frasier was much better.

But the best TV show ever? That was "Homicide: Life on the Street".


Absolutely correct.
 
2012-09-29 08:16:10 AM

Confabulat: I still stop on old episodes of Cheers thinking I'll just watch a minute and I end up laughing and getting absorbed in the whole thing. Great characters, except maybe Carla, she never made me laugh much.


Thank you. Carla was terrible: one dimensional, cartoonish, had no timing, same delivery over and over. The best sitcoms:

Seinfeld
Frasier
WKRP
King of Queens
Mary Tyler Moore
 
2012-09-29 08:17:03 AM

Waldo Pepper: The Dick Van Dyke show is even better, 5 year run no "dreaded" years and did it all when separate beds where required for a married couple Easily #1


Andy Griffith Show is also in the top 5.


I've watched a few Dick Van Dyke episodes on Netflix recently. I saw them years ago as daytime reruns when I was a kid, but couldn't appreciate it. Really, even after 50 years, it holds up. I can't imagine any show today being able to say the same in 2060.
 
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