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2012-09-28 08:01:40 PM  
True.
 
2012-09-28 08:06:33 PM  
It's a little known fact that cows were domesticated in Mesopotamia and were also used in China as guard animals for the forbidden city.
 
2012-09-28 08:08:18 PM  
I'm sorry, the only correct answer is The West Wing.
 
2012-09-28 08:11:10 PM  
I liked it better when it was "Park Street Under".

/Waitresses for White
 
2012-09-28 08:15:20 PM  
It's funny, I recently saw it was on Netflix and figured I'd watch an episode or 2 to see if it holds up after 30 years. I'm now almost through season 1, and it really does. Really witty, clever timeless comedy. And for a comedy, that is a remarkable achievement.
 
2012-09-28 08:21:25 PM  
Sam: What's new, Normie?
Norm: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.


*sigh*

gilgigamesh: I recently saw it was on Netflix and figured I'd watch an episode


That's a good idea.
 
2012-09-28 08:25:38 PM  
I should note, after reading, that my response of West Wing is obviously to the headline of 'greatest show ever' not 'greatest comedy ever.' I can't comment on Cheers because I never watched it, but to me, Scrubs is the best comedy I've ever seen, not only because it was hilarious, but because when it was serious, it was better than most dramas ever could be.
 
2012-09-28 08:28:08 PM  

GAT_00: I should note, after reading, that my response of West Wing is obviously to the headline of 'greatest show ever' not 'greatest comedy ever.' I can't comment on Cheers because I never watched it, but to me, Scrubs is the best comedy I've ever seen, not only because it was hilarious, but because when it was serious, it was better than most dramas ever could be.


FTA:
Even if you've never seen Cheers (and, by the way, all 275 episodes are now streaming on Netflix) you've seen its lineage. Amy Poehler and Mike Schur (creators of Parks & Recreation), Bill Lawrence (Scrubs), Dan Harmon (Community), and Shawn Ryan (The Shield) are all fans, if not downright scholars, of Cheers. "I hope and assume that every good comedy writer, no matter the age, has a moment where they discover how great Cheers is," says Poehler, who regularly watches Cheers episodes in her Parks & Recreation trailer. "And I would encourage any young person getting into comedy to sit down and watch it."
 
2012-09-28 08:39:10 PM  
and woody would be the only one to go on to have a substantive career. go figure.
 
2012-09-28 08:39:34 PM  
How's it going Norm?
It's a dog eat dog world Sammy and I'm wearing milk bone underwear
 
2012-09-28 08:42:58 PM  
What's shakin' Norm?
4 cheeks and 3 chins.
 
2012-09-28 08:43:44 PM  
I was on a Cheers marathon not that long ago. LOVE that show. Best ever? I don't really know or care, but it's a great one.
 
2012-09-28 08:43:55 PM  

SpikeStrip: and woody would be the only one to go on to have a substantive career. go figure.


Kesley Grammer, Ted Danson actually went on to other hit series.

But Cheers wasn't the best. The last few years it was really, really horrible.

Fraiser, however, actually holds up really, really well with time.
 
2012-09-28 08:45:06 PM  

SpikeStrip: and woody would be the only one to go on to have a substantive career. go figure.


Not really.

Ted Danson had his own sitcom for 6 years, and is now on CSI.

Kelsey Grammer was on Frasier for 11 years, won multiple awards, and now has a new critically acclaimed series.

Woody's done Natural Born Killers, People vs. Larry Flynt, and No Country For Old Men.
 
2012-09-28 08:48:14 PM  
There's a certain similarity between Poehler's character on Parks and Recreation and Shelley Long's character on Cheers- overconfident yet vulnerable.
 
2012-09-28 08:48:59 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: But Cheers wasn't the best. The last few years it was really, really horrible.


The dreaded "Rebecca" years.
 
2012-09-28 08:50:43 PM  
Cheers was okay.
Frasier was much better.

But the best TV show ever? That was "Homicide: Life on the Street".
 
2012-09-28 08:53:11 PM  

GAT_00: I should note, after reading, that my response of West Wing is obviously to the headline of 'greatest show ever' not 'greatest comedy ever.' I can't comment on Cheers because I never watched it, but to me, Scrubs is the best comedy I've ever seen, not only because it was hilarious, but because when it was serious, it was better than most dramas ever could be.


Scrubs couldn't wash Cheers's* balls. And I loved Scrubs.

*I know it looks awkward, I had to look it up.
 
2012-09-28 08:53:19 PM  

robmilmel: Darth_Lukecash: But Cheers wasn't the best. The last few years it was really, really horrible.

The dreaded "Rebecca" years.


It did well in spite of her. The corporate takeover thing and the Frasier/crazy girl marriage thing was very not-cheers.
 
2012-09-28 08:56:44 PM  

robmilmel: Darth_Lukecash: But Cheers wasn't the best. The last few years it was really, really horrible.

The dreaded "Rebecca" years.


"Dreaded"

Without a change, the show would have been dead by season 7.

No way it lasted longer than that if Shelly Long stays and it becomes the Sam and Diane show.

And the "dreaded" Rebecca years includes one of the most well known episodes ever, you person who has never been in my kitchen.
 
2012-09-28 08:57:01 PM  

robmilmel: Darth_Lukecash: But Cheers wasn't the best. The last few years it was really, really horrible.

The dreaded "Rebecca" years.


The first few years of Rebecca was actually pretty good. Kristie Alley was great tonic after Shelly Long. An intelligent woman who was senseless over powerful men.

The last three years, they seem intent on becoming parodies of their former selves.

Cliff became a creepy freak, Rebbecca became a spoiled fat biatch. What's worse, Sammy became an pathetic old sexaholic who couldn't get a date.

Only Woody and Frasier kept it interesting. I think largely because both actors probably fought for better stories.
 
2012-09-28 08:59:13 PM  

Nadie_AZ: It did well in spite of her. The corporate takeover thing and the Frasier/crazy girl marriage thing was very not-cheers.


Are you talking about Frasier/Lilith? That was actually the best part of the show for the longest while.
 
2012-09-28 09:01:57 PM  

Darth_Lukecash:
The last three years, they seem intent on becoming parodies of their former selves.

Cliff became a creepy freak, Rebbecca became a spoiled fat biatch. What's worse, Sammy became an pathetic old sexaholic who couldn't get a date.



What did you expect? That's reality.
 
2012-09-28 09:08:04 PM  
Better than "Whitney"??
 
2012-09-28 09:10:39 PM  
"and that's when we knew we had been giving the livestock WAY too much fiber."
 
2012-09-28 09:11:08 PM  
Cheers was great, no doubt. Best ever.... Enh, I don't know. Certainly top 10.
 
2012-09-28 09:15:52 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-28 09:17:38 PM  
In the top 3 easily.
 
2012-09-28 09:17:59 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Nadie_AZ: It did well in spite of her. The corporate takeover thing and the Frasier/crazy girl marriage thing was very not-cheers.

Are you talking about Frasier/Lilith? That was actually the best part of the show for the longest while.


Agreed!



Favorite line (from when she meets Frasier's first wife, Nanny G.):

Lilith: (singing) I want to shake your hand, snatch you bald, I want to scratch your eyes out, I want to drain your blood and replace it with a mercuric chloride formaldehyde and alcohol solution! (Laughs evilly)
 
2012-09-28 09:20:08 PM  
 
2012-09-28 09:25:55 PM  
"Looks like you've got some kind of alternate universe in there or something."

/what?
 
2012-09-28 09:26:13 PM  

Nadie_AZ: GAT_00: I should note, after reading, that my response of West Wing is obviously to the headline of 'greatest show ever' not 'greatest comedy ever.' I can't comment on Cheers because I never watched it, but to me, Scrubs is the best comedy I've ever seen, not only because it was hilarious, but because when it was serious, it was better than most dramas ever could be.

FTA:
Even if you've never seen Cheers (and, by the way, all 275 episodes are now streaming on Netflix) you've seen its lineage. Amy Poehler and Mike Schur (creators of Parks & Recreation), Bill Lawrence (Scrubs), Dan Harmon (Community), and Shawn Ryan (The Shield) are all fans, if not downright scholars, of Cheers. "I hope and assume that every good comedy writer, no matter the age, has a moment where they discover how great Cheers is," says Poehler, who regularly watches Cheers episodes in her Parks & Recreation trailer. "And I would encourage any young person getting into comedy to sit down and watch it."


I'm trying to rewatch all of Star Trek right now. It's going to be a while before I get to Cheers.
 
2012-09-28 09:32:52 PM  
How's life treatin' you, Norm?"

"Like a baby treats a diaper, Sammy"

/loved LOVED Coach
 
2012-09-28 09:35:55 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: SpikeStrip: and woody would be the only one to go on to have a substantive career. go figure.

Not really.

Ted Danson had his own sitcom for 6 years, and is now on CSI.

Kelsey Grammer was on Frasier for 11 years, won multiple awards, and now has a new critically acclaimed series.

Woody's done Natural Born Killers, People vs. Larry Flynt, and No Country For Old Men.


I just read TV Land is giving Kirstie Alley her own sitcom.
 
2012-09-28 09:39:24 PM  

Mentat: Best Norm Ever


See. And call.
 
2012-09-28 09:42:17 PM  
It's a dog eat dog world and I'm wearing Milk Bone underwear.
 
2012-09-28 09:48:14 PM  
Note to self: read the thread first.
 
2012-09-28 09:50:38 PM  
Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar
 
2012-09-28 09:52:28 PM  

violentsalvation: Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar


Until it got preachy. After that, it was good, but not great.
 
2012-09-28 09:55:23 PM  
How do you measure "best" here?

I loved "Cheers," but I wouldn't even call it the "best" sitcom, or best serial, much less the best TV show if you define "best" in terms of influence.

"I Love Lucy" takes best sitcom. (It's hard to say that any sitcom was more influential than that.)
"Star Trek" gets best series. (Come on, seriously, modern life was influenced more by that one show than anything else.)
Either "Soap" or "Twin Peaks" gets the "most innovative serial" award.
"The Prisoner" (Patrick McGoohan's version) gets "most creative show."

Heck, I'll even toss in a few SNL, Kids in the Hall, and SCTV episodes as "funniest shows." (And all of those are overshadowed in the "most consistently entertaining" category by Mystery Science Theater 3000.)

Cheers was neither the funniest, the most innovative, the most creative, the most influential, nor the most original show.

"Cheers" was a good show, maybe even a great show, but it never did anything that hadn't been done before. (That's not a criticism, it's a complement- what audiences needed at the time was a "place where everybody knows your name," something familiar, and that's what the show provided.)

I love Cheers, but "best ever?" I don't think so.
 
2012-09-28 09:55:46 PM  

SilentStrider: violentsalvation: Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar

Until it got preachy. After that, it was good, but not great.


BJ's mustache is the key.

If BJ has a mustache, Alan Alda has taken over behind the camera, and you can expect to be preached at.

It's like a reverse Riker.
 
2012-09-28 09:57:39 PM  

FloydA: How do you measure "best" here?

I loved "Cheers," but I wouldn't even call it the "best" sitcom, or best serial, much less the best TV show if you define "best" in terms of influence.

"I Love Lucy" takes best sitcom. (It's hard to say that any sitcom was more influential than that.)
"Star Trek" gets best series. (Come on, seriously, modern life was influenced more by that one show than anything else.)
Either "Soap" or "Twin Peaks" gets the "most innovative serial" award.
"The Prisoner" (Patrick McGoohan's version) gets "most creative show."

Heck, I'll even toss in a few SNL, Kids in the Hall, and SCTV episodes as "funniest shows." (And all of those are overshadowed in the "most consistently entertaining" category by Mystery Science Theater 3000.)

Cheers was neither the funniest, the most innovative, the most creative, the most influential, nor the most original show.

"Cheers" was a good show, maybe even a great show, but it never did anything that hadn't been done before. (That's not a criticism, it's a complement- what audiences needed at the time was a "place where everybody knows your name," something familiar, and that's what the show provided.)

I love Cheers, but "best ever?" I don't think so.


Hey. Hey. Hey.. Let's not over Anal-ise this now. .Link
 
2012-09-28 10:00:47 PM  

violentsalvation: Cheers After M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar


/Just kidding!
//Put away the pitchforks!
 
2012-09-28 10:02:39 PM  

HighOnCraic: violentsalvation: Cheers After M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar

/Just kidding!
//Put away the pitchforks!


People remember this show? Holy hell it was awful.
 
2012-09-28 10:06:02 PM  

violentsalvation: Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar


Good point; I should have added a "medical drama" category. Without the demonstrated success of M*A*S*H, there would probably not be "House" or "Quincy M.E." or "St. Elsewhere," "ER," "China Beach,""Chicago Hope," "Grey's Anatomy," and even "Doogie Howser, M.D."

Best ever? No. Best (most influential) medical drama? Definitely.
 
2012-09-28 10:07:20 PM  

vudukungfu:

Hey. Hey. Hey.. Let's not over Anal-ise this now. .Link


This is why I love Fark!
 
2012-09-28 10:07:58 PM  
Norm: Yeah, Cliffy had himself the "Ton O' T-Bone". For less than four bucks you get 24 ounces of USDA Choice "bef".
Cliff: Bef? No, you mean beef.
Norm: Beef? Don't be ridiculous, Cliffy. That stuff is "bef". You see it's a Hungry Heifer trademark for a processed, synthetic - what - meat-like substance.
Cliff: Ah, no.
Norm: What do you expect for four bucks? You see me complainin' about the "loobster"?
 
2012-09-28 10:10:22 PM  

FloydA: violentsalvation: Cheers M*A*S*H : Best. TV show. Evar

Good point; I should have added a "medical drama" category. Without the demonstrated success of M*A*S*H, there would probably not be "House" or "Quincy M.E." or "St. Elsewhere," "ER," "China Beach,""Chicago Hope," "Grey's Anatomy," and even "Doogie Howser, M.D."

Best ever? No. Best (most influential) medical drama? Definitely.


Except Marcus Welby and Medical Center both debuted three years before MASH, and were both on the air until 1976. And Dr. Kildare and Ben Casey both ran from 1961 to 1966.

MASH was good and all, but let's not say that there were no medical dramas before it.
 
2012-09-28 10:12:05 PM  

propasaurus: Norm: Yeah, Cliffy had himself the "Ton O' T-Bone". For less than four bucks you get 24 ounces of USDA Choice "bef".
Cliff: Bef? No, you mean beef.
Norm: Beef? Don't be ridiculous, Cliffy. That stuff is "bef". You see it's a Hungry Heifer trademark for a processed, synthetic - what - meat-like substance.
Cliff: Ah, no.
Norm: What do you expect for four bucks? You see me complainin' about the "loobster"?


Hungry Heifer surf n' turf: tuna fish sandwich with beef gravy.
 
2012-09-28 10:12:52 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Nadie_AZ: It did well in spite of her. The corporate takeover thing and the Frasier/crazy girl marriage thing was very not-cheers.

Are you talking about Frasier/Lilith? That was actually the best part of the show for the longest while.


Bebe Neuwirth is on my Honey Can-Do List. I love my wife.
 
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