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(NPR)   In 2012, more soldiers died from suicide than combat; on average, one dies each day   (npr.org) divider line 104
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2012-09-28 09:46:57 AM  
I suppose this campaign is still ongoing in some form or another: Link
 
2012-09-28 09:52:07 AM  
i'm not trying be a dick, or minimize this situation, but i'm curious, what are the stats on suicide in general?
 
2012-09-28 10:07:41 AM  
That really is sad. I wonder what the answer is? Therapy, job training or maybe 6 months leave to sort of unwind.
 
2012-09-28 10:08:34 AM  
I'm thinking that part of the problem is the culture that starts in basic. The same culture that may breed a successful and courageous soldier may not also give them the tools to deal with PTSD. It's not something you want to bring up to soldiers in basic because they're supposed to be tough and NOT think about dying or their comrades getting killed (though they all know it's a reality). I'm not sure if there's a good solution to dealing with the issue since it's been around for a long time.
 
2012-09-28 10:24:32 AM  

rhino33: i'm not trying be a dick, or minimize this situation, but i'm curious, what are the stats on suicide in general?


Here's a quote from an article from USA Today I found with a quick Google search:

Soldiers killed themselves at a rate faster than one per day in July, the Army announced Thursday. There were 38 deaths either confirmed or suspected as suicides, the highest one-month tally in recent Army history, the service said.


By H. Darr Beiser, USA TODAY
Gen. Ray Odierno, Army chief of staff, told USA TODAY in a recent interview that suicides are now the most common form of death in the Army.

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The Army suicide pace this year is surpassing last year, particularly among active-duty soldiers where there is a 22% increase - 116 deaths so far this year vs. 95 during the same seven months last year, according to Army data.
The current Army suicide rate seven months into this year is 29 deaths-per-100,000, far surpassing last year's rate of about 23 deaths-per-100,000, says Bruce Shahbaz, an Army analyst. Those rates compare with a 2009 civilian rate - the latest available data - of 18.5 for a demographically similar population.

Please, note, that the numbers here are for the Army only. I can't imagine that the other branches are immune to suicide.
 
2012-09-28 01:33:43 PM  
If only there was a party intent on helping soldiers with their mental health issues instead of filibustering funding to stop the president from being able to claim any sort of positive change.
 
2012-09-28 01:45:39 PM  
stop signing up for the military, morons
 
2012-09-28 01:46:24 PM  

rhino33: i'm not trying be a dick, or minimize this situation, but i'm curious, what are the stats on suicide in general?


it's usually the lower ranks who off themselves
 
2012-09-28 01:46:50 PM  
 
2012-09-28 01:47:31 PM  
Worrell paces in front of the stage in a small auditorium and talks with the soldiers for more than an hour about the warning signs of suicide.

Being stuck in a post theater having to listen to this guy drone on about suicide would make me want to kill myself.
 
2012-09-28 01:49:00 PM  

rhino33: i'm not trying be a dick, or minimize this situation, but i'm curious, what are the stats on suicide in general?


What about a comparison between military and police? How many cops off themselves by comparison?
 
2012-09-28 01:49:05 PM  

rhino33: i'm not trying be a dick, or minimize this situation, but i'm curious, what are the stats on suicide in general?


According to the CDC Mortality and Morbidity Report (2009):

In 2006:
• Suicide was the eleventh leading cause of death for all ages.1
• More than 33,000 suicides occurred in the U.S. This is the equivalent of 91 suicides per day; one suicide every 16 minutes or 10.95 suicides per 100,000 population.1


That's the most recent report on their site, at least that's publicly available.
 
2012-09-28 01:50:20 PM  
Kirilov still wondering why more people are not killing themselves.

/ aside from dostoevksian histronics, I heard a program recently about how the military nowadays approves the use of antidepressents and other mind altering drugs for soldiers in the field. stuff that can essentially numb them of nerves and anxiety. however, it's unfortunate side effect leads to keeping people fighting through significant battle fatigue in a less than optimal emotional state.
 
2012-09-28 01:50:58 PM  
 
2012-09-28 01:51:06 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Worrell paces in front of the stage in a small auditorium and talks with the soldiers for more than an hour about the warning signs of suicide.

Being stuck in a post theater having to listen to this guy drone on about suicide would make me want to kill myself.


Army Struggles To Respond To Epidemic Of Suicides During Suicide Prevention Briefs


The mandatory suicide prevention program instituted Army-wide includes suicide prevention video vignettes paired with a 2700-slide PowerPoint presentation. The class is usually taught by a therapist, the unit Chaplain, or some poor bastard NCO that was forced into being a certified suicide prevention instructor.
 
2012-09-28 01:52:05 PM  
www.straight.com

"I know war is hell, not as closely as some of the vets. But I have some great friends that are War Machine owners."
 
2012-09-28 01:54:05 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2012-09-28 01:54:18 PM  

busy chillin': [www.straight.com image 340x365]

"I know war is hell, not as closely as some of the vets. But I have some great friends that are War Machine owners."


Yes, it's Romney's fault.

Obama could have ordered them home on Day 1 and let Afghanistan go fark itself (where it will end up anyway), but let's make it about Romney.
 
2012-09-28 01:54:26 PM  

Spade: Harry Freakstorm: Worrell paces in front of the stage in a small auditorium and talks with the soldiers for more than an hour about the warning signs of suicide.

Being stuck in a post theater having to listen to this guy drone on about suicide would make me want to kill myself.

Army Struggles To Respond To Epidemic Of Suicides During Suicide Prevention Briefs


The mandatory suicide prevention program instituted Army-wide includes suicide prevention video vignettes paired with a 2700-slide PowerPoint presentation. The class is usually taught by a therapist, the unit Chaplain, or some poor bastard NCO that was forced into being a certified suicide prevention instructor.


Actually, this may cause honest to god cases of Death by PowerPoint.
 
2012-09-28 01:54:26 PM  
Normally NPR would blame the Commander in Chief for military suicides.

But thankfully, he's a Democrat. Whew! Dodged that bullet, didn't we?

/the soldiers, not so much
 
2012-09-28 01:57:16 PM  

Summoner101: Spade: Harry Freakstorm: Worrell paces in front of the stage in a small auditorium and talks with the soldiers for more than an hour about the warning signs of suicide.

Being stuck in a post theater having to listen to this guy drone on about suicide would make me want to kill myself.

Army Struggles To Respond To Epidemic Of Suicides During Suicide Prevention Briefs


The mandatory suicide prevention program instituted Army-wide includes suicide prevention video vignettes paired with a 2700-slide PowerPoint presentation. The class is usually taught by a therapist, the unit Chaplain, or some poor bastard NCO that was forced into being a certified suicide prevention instructor.

Actually, this may cause honest to god cases of Death by PowerPoint.


If I had to sit through that presentation, I'd DEFINITELY kill myself.
 
2012-09-28 01:57:55 PM  

Spade: busy chillin': [www.straight.com image 340x365]

"I know war is hell, not as closely as some of the vets. But I have some great friends that are War Machine owners."

Yes, it's Romney's fault.

Obama could have ordered them home on Day 1 and let Afghanistan go fark itself (where it will end up anyway), but let's make it about Romney.


What's at issue isn't that Romney's a douche (he is, but that's separate), it's that he specifically called out service member suicide as a reason not to cut defense spending. He's scoring political points in the worst way possible, despite never having served a minute in uniform or knowing anyone who has. Obama is not immune from the same criticism, but he's not trying to link tragedy to a cheap, half-baked attempt at a policy suggestion.
 
2012-09-28 01:59:51 PM  

WMCB: Spade: busy chillin': [www.straight.com image 340x365]

"I know war is hell, not as closely as some of the vets. But I have some great friends that are War Machine owners."

Yes, it's Romney's fault.

Obama could have ordered them home on Day 1 and let Afghanistan go fark itself (where it will end up anyway), but let's make it about Romney.

What's at issue isn't that Romney's a douche (he is, but that's separate), it's that he specifically called out service member suicide as a reason not to cut defense spending. He's scoring political points in the worst way possible, despite never having served a minute in uniform or knowing anyone who has. Obama is not immune from the same criticism, but he's not trying to link tragedy to a cheap, half-baked attempt at a policy suggestion.


Yes, Obama would never use the deaths of servicemen to score political points. Except when he did it last election.
 
2012-09-28 02:00:45 PM  

Spade: busy chillin': [www.straight.com image 340x365]

"I know war is hell, not as closely as some of the vets. But I have some great friends that are War Machine owners."

Yes, it's Romney's fault.

Obama could have ordered them home on Day 1 and let Afghanistan go fark itself (where it will end up anyway), but let's make it about Romney.


Sounds good to me. Romney sucks and thinking of vets serving made me think of Romney riding a bike in France...after protesting for the draft.

/Twan, don't get mad.
 
2012-09-28 02:01:33 PM  
When I was stationed in Hawaii, the soldier that lived in the room directly under mine hung himself in that room. So I'm not getting a kick out of these replies....
 
2012-09-28 02:03:16 PM  
Some would say that combat is suicide.
 
2012-09-28 02:04:18 PM  
people tend to do join the military out of desperation. What's the suicide rate at that same income level? Most of the suicides are going to be in the E1-E4 range, I'd think....that's $1403-2305/month for those early folk. Eh
 
2012-09-28 02:04:35 PM  
"Listen up. On 24 September 1983, Specialist Warren T. Jasper, a 63 Bravo for the 65th Maintenance Battalion attempted suicide. He purchased a 45 caliber automatic, placed the weapon to his temple and pulled the trigger. Unfortunately for him, he woke up a week later at Tripler Army Medical Center. Upon his return to duty, he was given an Article 15 for destruction of government property, missing deployment and unauthorized modification of his barrack space (he got blood on the wall of the barracks). He was reduced to PVT E-1 and sentenced to 6 months at CCC. When he was released from the stockade, he was returned to me for the remainder of his enlistment. Every morning, I made him wish that the bullet had killed him. I worked that Papa Oscar Sierra until Taps, Retreat and To the Colors. He never thought about suicide again because I DID NOT LET HIM!

If you are thinking about suicide, come to me. I will work you to death in an honorable and meaningful way. But if you decide to blow your brains out, do it right. Do it off base where the cops get to you first. Because if I find you and you still have a pulse, I'm gonna stuff you in to your BDUs and march your dying a$$ off to Sick Call and what ever comes back to me will be picking up cigarette butts until Jebus returns. Got it? Dismissed."

Not an exact quote but close.
SFC Hulford
 
2012-09-28 02:05:17 PM  
special20
What about a comparison between military and police? How many cops off themselves by comparison?

Not near enough.
 
2012-09-28 02:07:23 PM  
So far the Army's answer is awareness and endless suicide prevention training. I support the idea of suicide prevention training in general, but I can't tell you how useless it is for a Soldier to sit and listen to a guy read off a power point slide about suicide that he's already heard a hundred times, just so he can check a block and say everyone is trained.

The answer is so much more complex, and involves shifting leadership focus to take care of Soldiers better. Not in a way that babies them, but in such a way that leaders focus less on career advancement and more on making sure their unit is comprehensively healthy by filtering out as much of the BS as they can, ensuring the unit is well trained, paid on time, and that they have the resources at hand to get the help they need when problems come up. There are so many effective suicide prevention programs (International Suicide Prevention Wiki) there's no need for the Army to re-invent the wheel. Our job situation may be unique, but the response of the human brain to stress is no different than that of a civilian.

Edit: I wrote all of that, THEN read TFA and realized it says much the same thing.
 
2012-09-28 02:09:22 PM  

had98c: When I was stationed in Hawaii, the soldier that lived in the room directly under mine hung himself in that room. So I'm not getting a kick out of these replies....



Did they give you an A for the semester? I heard they do that.
 
2012-09-28 02:09:38 PM  

IamAwake: people tend to do join the military out of desperation. What's the suicide rate at that same income level? Most of the suicides are going to be in the E1-E4 range, I'd think....that's $1403-2305/month for those early folk. Eh


Your statement is false.
 
2012-09-28 02:11:06 PM  
Obama could have ordered them home on Day 1 and let Afghanistan go fark itself

No shiate. There is an incredible amount of blood on Dear Leader's hands. And no one to blame but himself.
 
2012-09-28 02:12:54 PM  
The clear answer is to start another war and bump those combat deaths back up.
 
2012-09-28 02:13:42 PM  

PetraeusWJ: So far the Army's answer is awareness and endless suicide prevention training. I support the idea of suicide prevention training in general, but I can't tell you how useless it is for a Soldier to sit and listen to a guy read off a power point slide about suicide that he's already heard a hundred times, just so he can check a block and say everyone is trained.

The answer is so much more complex, and involves shifting leadership focus to take care of Soldiers better. Not in a way that babies them, but in such a way that leaders focus less on career advancement and more on making sure their unit is comprehensively healthy by filtering out as much of the BS as they can, ensuring the unit is well trained, paid on time, and that they have the resources at hand to get the help they need when problems come up. There are so many effective suicide prevention programs (International Suicide Prevention Wiki) there's no need for the Army to re-invent the wheel. Our job situation may be unique, but the response of the human brain to stress is no different than that of a civilian.

Edit: I wrote all of that, THEN read TFA and realized it says much the same thing.


It just seems so obvious that if you're going to ask people to go on multiple 12-15 month deployments that you'd make their time home as easy and supported as you possibly could but still meeting mission objectives.
 
2012-09-28 02:13:44 PM  
How about not deploying them?
 
2012-09-28 02:14:17 PM  
Sad story bro:

Jeannie, a coworker/friend of mine came back on the job after deployment, and she seemed to be pretty well adjusted-actually seemed better than ever. We had a party, the whole works, and she and I caught a movie or two and a few dinners before we finally gave in and hooked up after a serious night of partying. I started seeing her pretty regularly, and her sister even let it slip to me that Jeannie thought of me as her potential husband.

One day, I get a call from her Jeannie's father and he asks me if I'm sitting down, because he has something really bad to tell me that can't wait. I do, not having any clue what in the world it could be ... and then he drops it on me. Turns out that the night before, right after he'd dropped Jeannie off after a family dinner, he went home and turned on his computer, only to discover that his WoW account had been hacked, and the guild bank had been totally looted.

He never played again.
 
2012-09-28 02:14:28 PM  
Suicide is painless...........................................right?
 
2012-09-28 02:14:54 PM  

OnlyM3: special20
What about a comparison between military and police? How many cops off themselves by comparison?
Not near enough.


A good start?
 
2012-09-28 02:15:24 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Worrell paces in front of the stage in a small auditorium and talks with the soldiers for more than an hour about the warning signs of suicide.

Being stuck in a post theater having to listen to this guy drone on about suicide would make me want to kill myself.


I am a volunteer for my local USO and frequently attend Demobilization Briefings for troops returning from overseas combat. I was at one last night where the guy on stage asked the soldiers to raise their hands if they ever A. Thought of killing themselves B. Had a Battle Buddy who thought of killing themselves or C. Had a Battle Buddy who actually killed themselves. I was surprised at the number of hands that went up. I was even more surprised when some troops went up to the guy after the debriefing to get more info on the suicide prevention help available on base. So for some troops, they probably don't like hearing about it but for others...it probably saves their life!
 
2012-09-28 02:16:24 PM  

MorePeasPlease: Sad story bro:

Jeannie, a coworker/friend of mine came back on the job after deployment, and she seemed to be pretty well adjusted-actually seemed better than ever. We had a party, the whole works, and she and I caught a movie or two and a few dinners before we finally gave in and hooked up after a serious night of partying. I started seeing her pretty regularly, and her sister even let it slip to me that Jeannie thought of me as her potential husband.

One day, I get a call from her Jeannie's father and he asks me if I'm sitting down, because he has something really bad to tell me that can't wait. I do, not having any clue what in the world it could be ... and then he drops it on me. Turns out that the night before, right after he'd dropped Jeannie off after a family dinner, he went home and turned on his computer, only to discover that his WoW account had been hacked, and the guild bank had been totally looted.

He never played again.


Oh, the huge manatee.
 
2012-09-28 02:20:40 PM  
The *REAL* question here is what would you have to do in a thread like this to get everyone to click the "FUNNY" button??
i9.photobucket.com

/sat through these powerpoints over 23 years more than I wanted.
 
2012-09-28 02:21:11 PM  
Talk about your good news/bad news headlines...poor souls.
I'm thinking that suicide by former combatants should be labeled as a combat related death.
 
2012-09-28 02:21:28 PM  
End the war. Pull out. Start funding veteran services.
 
2012-09-28 02:21:57 PM  

ChipNASA: Suicide is painless...........................................right?


Maybe not, but I imagine it would be quick enough to not have to worry about it.
 
2012-09-28 02:21:59 PM  
Most people who join the all volunteer army do so because they are bored, or looking for job training, or money for school. A few are psychos who just want to kill somebody. It's easy to understand why so many become disillusioned with military life. 

Fred Reed on Military Life
 
2012-09-28 02:25:41 PM  
My sister's good friend was up for redeployment, went on a bender the night before he was supposed to ship out, slashed a block worth of car tires, then killed himself.

My ex boyfriend's younger brother came back from Afghanistan and sought help from two VA locations who cited "full beds" and turned him away. He hung himself two days latter.

On the flip side, my cousin left the Air Force, became a yoga instructor, and is now involved with helping soldiers during from PTSD deal with their problems through yoga.

And voting down aid for veterans is disgusting and evidence of how painfully disingenuous the "support our troops" crowd in Washington really is.
 
2012-09-28 02:26:41 PM  

Lunaville: I suppose this campaign is still ongoing in some form or another: Link


Oh, the venerable and well-respected IVAW demands a safety stand-down? Well, why didn't you say so!

Nah, I'm just kidding.
 
2012-09-28 02:35:38 PM  

T. Dawg: My sister's good friend was up for redeployment, went on a bender the night before he was supposed to ship out, slashed a block worth of car tires, then killed himself.

My ex boyfriend's younger brother came back from Afghanistan and sought help from two VA locations who cited "full beds" and turned him away. He hung himself two days latter.

On the flip side, my cousin left the Air Force, became a yoga instructor, and is now involved with helping soldiers during from PTSD deal with their problems through yoga.

And voting down aid for veterans is disgusting and evidence of how painfully disingenuous the "support our troops" crowd in Washington really is.


==============

The Romneys, Christies and Limbaughs of this world believe that your average soldier is an idiot, and they could care less once they get a couple of tours out of them. Come home with a broken mind or body? No job, or job training? End up on drugs/alcohol and homeless? It's because you're a loser. You're not boot strappy enough. If you were a quality person you would have started a business.....using the stock in your trust fund as start up capital. So just shut the fark up and stop whining.
 
2012-09-28 02:37:10 PM  
Vaccines

On average a soldier deploying into combat zones gets 23 vaccines administered simultaneously.
 
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