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(Lexington Herald Leader)   Thousands pissed with new drug testing law   (kentucky.com) divider line 338
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2012-09-28 01:11:08 PM
The tests determine if patients take their drugs, rather than sell them, and if other, unprescribed drugs are in their systems.


Even ignoring the financial burden, I just can't believe anyone is okay with this.
 
2012-09-28 01:22:11 PM
Isn't it great how you have to prove you aren't using your prescriptions in an illegal way, instead of them having to prove you are?
 
2012-09-28 01:32:09 PM
Who the hell would not take their Xanax and sell it?  The withdrawl effects can friggin' kill you.  At least make your life horribly miserable.  I've been on the drug, and went through a scenario (hurricane) where I forgot to refill, and no pharmacy opened for 5+ days.
 
2012-09-28 01:37:05 PM
Secondly, pain meds... I've been prescribed Vicodin many times.  But I've never taken the drugs.  I fear addiction... with my family history, I'm *very* careful about taking drugs of any sort.
 
2012-09-28 01:44:08 PM

scottydoesntknow: Isn't it great how you have to prove you aren't using your prescriptions in an illegal way, instead of them having to prove you are?


If they can get away with it for cold medicine, these folks don't stand a chance.

Yes, I'm running a full scale meth lab with the 12 pills I got for the sniffles. Riiiight.

Infringing on the rights of the innocent to prevent thwart the guilty is unacceptable. Unless you're a gun owner.
 
2012-09-28 01:53:35 PM
30 pills of vicodin then become 29 as the Rx holder takes take 1 before the test and sells the other 29. Or are they going to drug test you every day once they figure out people are doing that? 


This puts a massive burden on legit patients.
 
2012-09-28 01:53:41 PM
Cynthia Burton, who was a nurse at Central Baptist Hospital until she retired, said the law casts too wide a net. "With the technology that we have, we can track the prescriptions that Cynthia Burton gets from however many physicians over 30 days or 60 days or whatever period of time," she said. "So let's take it from there. Let's track the patients where there are signs of abuse, where you've obviously got a problem with multiple prescriptions or multiple doctors, rather than testing everyone."

HEY! No promoting common sense in a political decision!! You KNOW the two don't mix. Besides, politicians don't care if they f**k over the public.
 
2012-09-28 02:10:51 PM
Well this is farking stupid.
 
2012-09-28 02:30:39 PM
OK, I had a staunch right winger foward this to me today.
Not sure if they realise how socialism works.

Wow, this girl has a great plan!
Love the last thing she would do the best.

This was written by a 21 year old female who 'gets it.' It's her future she's worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare big government state that she's being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her opinion. (and mine!)

This was in the Waco Tribune Herald, Waco , TX , Nov 18, 2011

Subject: PUT ME IN CHARGE . . .

Put me in charge of food stamps. I'd get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I'd do is to get women Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we'll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, or smoke, then get a job.

Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks? You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the "common good.."

Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules. Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self-esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self-esteem.

If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

AND . . . While you are on Government subsistence, you no longer can VOTE!
Yes, that is correct.. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Government welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.

Now, if you have the guts - PASS IT ON...I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET THIS BACK, IF EVERYONE SENDS IT, I WILL GET OVER 220 BACK!!! I WOULD KNOW YOU SENT IT ON!!!


SO now I need to filter this person out of my life.
Even though , dammint, i kinda agree.
 
2012-09-28 02:43:17 PM
This law sounds stupid but Kentucky is in like an epidemic of opiate abuse, so I can see then trying anything at this point.
 
2012-09-28 02:47:40 PM

downstairs: Who the hell would not take their Xanax and sell it?  The withdrawl effects can friggin' kill you.  At least make your life horribly miserable.  I've been on the drug, and went through a scenario (hurricane) where I forgot to refill, and no pharmacy opened for 5+ days.


Coming off xanax cold makes a hurricane seem like a pleasant experience in comparison.

Krymson Tyde: Well this is farking stupid.


Very.

Headso: This law sounds stupid but Kentucky is in like an epidemic of opiate abuse, so I can see then trying anything at this point.


You what's weird? The states with the stiff penalties for marijuana have higher problems with prescription drug abuse.
 
2012-09-28 03:15:02 PM
How in God's name is this constitutional?
 
2012-09-28 03:24:05 PM
Mandatory drug testing to ensure you are taking opiates.

Welcome to Bizzaro-America.
 
2012-09-28 03:24:15 PM
533 dollars for a piss test? and you have to pay for it? how the fark is that legal?
 
2012-09-28 03:24:36 PM

Raging Thespian: How in God's name is this constitutional?


It's not. Someone page the ACLU
 
2012-09-28 03:25:22 PM
Glad I don't live in Kentucky.
 
2012-09-28 03:26:00 PM
Guilty until proven innocent. Welcome to the New American Century
 
2012-09-28 03:26:44 PM
Won't this just encourage people to buy their drugs from the black market? I know I would.
 
2012-09-28 03:26:44 PM
49 bucks at cvs........
 
2012-09-28 03:27:03 PM
But alcohol still okay.
 
2012-09-28 03:29:06 PM

downstairs: Who the hell would not take their Xanax and sell it?  The withdrawl effects can friggin' kill you.  At least make your life horribly miserable.  I've been on the drug, and went through a scenario (hurricane) where I forgot to refill, and no pharmacy opened for 5+ days.


I've taken Xanax on several occasions, and I don't recall any withdrawal symptoms. How long does it take for dependency to develop?

I tend to prefer Ativan over Xanax; I don't feel any withdrawal symptoms from it, either, and I've been taking it for years now.
 
2012-09-28 03:29:13 PM

danno_to_infinity


533 dollars for a piss test? and you have to pay for it? how the fark is that legal?

They're probably calling it a 'tax'
 
2012-09-28 03:29:42 PM
Sell the shiat cheap, over the counter like they do in Russia.

Go ahead and kill yourself overdosing.
 
2012-09-28 03:29:48 PM
oh and end the 'war on drugs' please!!!
 
2012-09-28 03:29:52 PM
Welcome to my world folks...


Hell, I have to pay for twice yearly ECG's out of pocket too.
 
2012-09-28 03:30:21 PM
AND . . . While you are on Government subsistence, you no longer can VOTE!
Yes, that is correct.. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Government welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.


SERVICE ENSURES CITIZENSHIP!
 
2012-09-28 03:30:43 PM
What next, a piss test version of Homer's Everything is OK Alarm? We will be pissing daily in front of bored drop outs to ensure we don't soil our good and decent society by having a little fun?
 
2012-09-28 03:30:47 PM

Headso: This law sounds stupid but Kentucky is in like an epidemic of opiate abuse, so I can see then trying anything at this point.


If you had to live in Kentucky, you'd be abusing drugs too.
 
2012-09-28 03:31:34 PM
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2012-09-28 03:32:09 PM

busy chillin': Guilty until proven innocent. Welcome to the New American Century


It's more like: Guilty until you pay to prove your innocence.

I feel bad an all, but Kentucky needs to be woken up. Maybe this will do it.
 
2012-09-28 03:32:14 PM

Sybarite: The tests determine if patients take their drugs, rather than sell them, and if other, unprescribed drugs are in their systems.


Even ignoring the financial burden, I just can't believe anyone is okay with this.


Here's the problem.

In Kentucky, where this article takes place, there is a SERIOUS problem with pill diversion.

People are getting prescriptions for controlled substances. Most often opiates, but various benzodiazapenes are common too. They get a nice big script for it, then they go and resell the pills on the black market, while billing insurance companies for the pills in the first place.

They are a drug dealer with an insurance company underwriting their supply.

This was an attempt to stop that, by making it so that you had to prove you were actually taking your medicine before you could get more. Of course, the problem is that you could just taken enough for it to show up on the drug test, and sell the rest, but it might catch the dumber criminals (of which there are many).

You can have people on SSI disability or workers comp, doing no work, getting a benefits check, then selling most of their meds for their "disability" to make a lot more money on top of that.

The downside, as this shows, is that this state-mandated test is expensive, and insurance doesn't have to cover it, so they won't, so you end up with honest people paying big bucks for medically unnecessary, but legally mandated tests, to try to curb the abuses of others.

/Worked drug investigations in Kentucky, specifically dealing with illicit prescription pill trade.
//Getting a kick. . .
 
2012-09-28 03:32:24 PM
Doctors and insurance companies have already been doing this for years. You see a doctor for chronic pain, they make you sign a contract agreeing to regular UA's.

/had 3 so far this year
 
2012-09-28 03:32:58 PM
Looking at the vote history it looks like this baloney bill enjoyed mostly bipartisan support. Good to know that in Kentucky the democrats and republicans are equally ridiculous.
 
2012-09-28 03:33:19 PM
So they want me to test positive for drugs?

Challenge accepted.
 
2012-09-28 03:33:39 PM
Best healthcare in the world, I was told.
 
2012-09-28 03:34:05 PM

FizixJunkee: I've taken Xanax on several occasions, and I don't recall any withdrawal symptoms. How long does it take for dependency to develop?



My guess is a year or more (taking it daily).  Just a guess, though.  Also depends on how much you're taking I'd assume.
 
2012-09-28 03:34:23 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Good to know that in Kentucky the democrats and republicans are equally ridiculous.


Social regressives transcend partisan politics.
 
2012-09-28 03:35:11 PM
41% of prescriptions for abusable drugs is Vicodin? That's tough to believe.
 
2012-09-28 03:35:33 PM

Silverstaff: //Getting a kick. . .


... in the door before shooting the dogs and dragging a guy off to prison after all you found was a small bit of personal use pot?

/ but, no, I'm sure your job was very, very useful...
// sorry
/// not really
 
2012-09-28 03:35:41 PM

Silverstaff: In Kentucky, where this article takes place, there is a SERIOUS problem with pill diversion.


Great...

Why in the hell do I have to pay out of pocket for the actions of drug dealers?

It costs me over $2500 a year, out of pocket, to pay for governments inability to deal with this stuff.

I will continue to have to pay, while the pill mills addicts and pushers will just go up to Ohio to get their stuff.
 
2012-09-28 03:35:49 PM
9. Buprenorphine (Suboxone), 4% - painkiller addiction
 
2012-09-28 03:36:18 PM

downstairs: Secondly, pain meds... I've been prescribed Vicodin many times.  But I've never taken the drugs.  I fear addiction... with my family history, I'm *very* careful about taking drugs of any sort.


I don't take the narcotics because every dang one of them constipates the hell out of me. I rather have the original pain than go through that again.
 
2012-09-28 03:37:00 PM

Silverstaff: Sybarite: The tests determine if patients take their drugs, rather than sell them, and if other, unprescribed drugs are in their systems.


Even ignoring the financial burden, I just can't believe anyone is okay with this.

Here's the problem.

In Kentucky, where this article takes place, there is a SERIOUS problem with pill diversion.

People are getting prescriptions for controlled substances. Most often opiates, but various benzodiazapenes are common too. They get a nice big script for it, then they go and resell the pills on the black market, while billing insurance companies for the pills in the first place.

They are a drug dealer with an insurance company underwriting their supply.

This was an attempt to stop that, by making it so that you had to prove you were actually taking your medicine before you could get more. Of course, the problem is that you could just taken enough for it to show up on the drug test, and sell the rest, but it might catch the dumber criminals (of which there are many).

You can have people on SSI disability or workers comp, doing no work, getting a benefits check, then selling most of their meds for their "disability" to make a lot more money on top of that.

The downside, as this shows, is that this state-mandated test is expensive, and insurance doesn't have to cover it, so they won't, so you end up with honest people paying big bucks for medically unnecessary, but legally mandated tests, to try to curb the abuses of others.

/Worked drug investigations in Kentucky, specifically dealing with illicit prescription pill trade.
//Getting a kick. . .


Wrong state, try FL. If there were pill mills here I'd be all over it.

/it's all heroin anyway
 
2012-09-28 03:37:20 PM
coming soon to a state near you, everyone has to take a piss test to prove you're not doing something you shouldn't be
 
2012-09-28 03:37:24 PM

downstairs: Who the hell would not take their Xanax and sell it?  The withdrawl effects can friggin' kill you.  At least make your life horribly miserable.  I've been on the drug, and went through a scenario (hurricane) where I forgot to refill, and no pharmacy opened for 5+ days.


What was your daily dosage and what kind of withdrawal symptoms did you experience?
 
2012-09-28 03:37:42 PM
Don't blame me, I voted for Gatewood.
 
2012-09-28 03:39:35 PM
Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self-esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self-esteem.

Historically, churches have required people to "get a farking job" before providing them with charity.
 
2012-09-28 03:40:08 PM
I'm on pseudoephedrine right now, so I'm really getting a kick out of this law.
 
2012-09-28 03:40:38 PM
They waited till Gatewood died to come up with this police state bullshiat.

Terrific.
 
2012-09-28 03:40:51 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: 41% of prescriptions for abusable drugs is Vicodin? That's tough to believe.


If I'm going to abuse painkillers it's going to be something a HELL of a lot stronger than Vicodin.
 
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