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(NBC News)   Republicans finally find the smoking gun of voter fraud... in their own holster   (firstread.nbcnews.com) divider line 11
    More: Followup, RNC, voter fraud, Attorney General John Ashcroft, Michael Isikoff, Florida counties, University of New Zealand, elections officials, Okaloosa County  
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2012-09-28 12:54:29 PM
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Bschott007: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Diogenes: tallguywithglasseson: Registration fraud. TFA doesn't mention any fraudulent votes cast.

The latter largely requires the former.

Can you cite even a single case where a person committed voter fraud via registration fraud?

So logical progression eludes you?

I'll take this slow for you: In many states, you need to register to vote. If you are not registered, you can not cast a ballot. So unless a fraudulent registration is made in a state requiring voter registration, the fraudulent vote can not be submitted.

Logic, how does it work?


Actually, that's not true at all. Nearly all cases of voter fraud haven't happened as a result of voter registration fraud. The most common methods of voter fraud happen after votes are cast by legitimately registered voters, usually by either having those votes changed or tossed out by the people responsible for counting the votes.

While your "logical progression" seems to make sense, where the process of committing voter fraud would be to register fake voters and then use those registrations to cast votes, there are, literally, no known cases of that actually happening. And it makes sense that there aren't, it is an incredibly inefficient way to swing an election, as it would have to happen on a very large scale to make a difference. It's much easier and more effective to take care of it on the back end.
2012-09-28 12:58:22 PM
2 votes:
Republican is synonymous with hypocrite.

Seriously, did you read the part about how you "can't prevent a few bad apples?" Cognitive dissnonance, where are you?
2012-09-28 01:18:42 PM
1 votes:

brianbankerus: I have a conservative friend who defends voter ID laws because people should have IDs and voter fraud is rampant... there's no talking facts with him, he doesn't care for reality.


But you repeat yourself...

Seriously, though. At this point self-identifying as a conservative is basically the same as just saying "I don't care what's real anymore".
2012-09-28 01:08:22 PM
1 votes:

timujin: Bschott007: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Diogenes: tallguywithglasseson: Registration fraud. TFA doesn't mention any fraudulent votes cast.

The latter largely requires the former.

Can you cite even a single case where a person committed voter fraud via registration fraud?

So logical progression eludes you?

I'll take this slow for you: In many states, you need to register to vote. If you are not registered, you can not cast a ballot. So unless a fraudulent registration is made in a state requiring voter registration, the fraudulent vote can not be submitted.

Logic, how does it work?

Actually, that's not true at all. Nearly all cases of voter fraud haven't happened as a result of voter registration fraud. The most common methods of voter fraud happen after votes are cast by legitimately registered voters, usually by either having those votes changed or tossed out by the people responsible for counting the votes.

While your "logical progression" seems to make sense, where the process of committing voter fraud would be to register fake voters and then use those registrations to cast votes, there are, literally, no known cases of that actually happening. And it makes sense that there aren't, it is an incredibly inefficient way to swing an election, as it would have to happen on a very large scale to make a difference. It's much easier and more effective to take care of it on the back end.


Well, the 1960 Nixon/Kennedy election would respectfully like to have a word with you.
2012-09-28 01:06:49 PM
1 votes:
To be fair this is still only registration fraud not true voter fraud however it is what Republicans called "voter fraud" in the past.
2012-09-28 12:47:58 PM
1 votes:

brianbankerus: I have a conservative friend who defends voter ID laws because people should have IDs and voter fraud is rampant... there's no talking facts with him, he doesn't care for reality.


This.

When I debate this with the neanderthals at my work, I try to first distinguish Voter Registration Fraud from In Person Voter Fraud (y'know the kind that actually never occurs and what the voter ID laws are claiming to prevent) and they refuse to even grasp that concept.

And these are educated people, people who figure out how to get themselves dressed and drive to work everyday. The cognitive dissonance is staggering.
2012-09-28 12:46:32 PM
1 votes:
This should be treated the way ACRON was.
2012-09-28 12:44:18 PM
1 votes:

Citrate1007: Any Pie Left: "A thief always expects everyone else is stealing"

If it is this easy then everyone must be doing it.



The only people who would bother are in the parties. Nobody else gives a damn that much. Do you think I would make up hundreds of fake names or whatever it takes to actually have an influence? Please.
2012-09-28 12:44:09 PM
1 votes:

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Diogenes: tallguywithglasseson: Registration fraud. TFA doesn't mention any fraudulent votes cast.

The latter largely requires the former.

Can you cite even a single case where a person committed voter fraud via registration fraud?


So logical progression eludes you?

I'll take this slow for you: In many states, you need to register to vote. If you are not registered, you can not cast a ballot. So unless a fraudulent registration is made in a state requiring voter registration, the fraudulent vote can not be submitted.

Logic, how does it work?
2012-09-28 11:34:23 AM
1 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: Registration fraud. TFA doesn't mention any fraudulent votes cast.


And it's Republican registration fraud, which means it's really not an issue.
2012-09-28 10:52:58 AM
1 votes:
Not an isolated incident with this Sproul person.
 
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