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2012-09-28 12:49:16 PM
Get got a mouth full of metal, dreadlocks, and quit performing his job?
 
2012-09-28 12:54:43 PM
WTF does that mean subby?
 
2012-09-28 01:01:42 PM

notatrollorami: WTF does that mean subby?


Leaving a really good team to a bad team for the money. That being said, James did make it to the Super Bowl with that "bad" team.
 
2012-09-28 01:13:24 PM

carnifex2005: notatrollorami: WTF does that mean subby?

Leaving a really good team to a bad team for the money. That being said, James did make it to the Super Bowl with that "bad" team.


Didn't that "bad team with money" win the constructor's championship and finish 1-2 in the driver's championship a scant 3 years ago? Sure they've changed names from Brawn to Mercedes but it's fundamentally the same organization.
 
2012-09-28 01:36:30 PM
It'll be interesting to see how Sergio Perez performs in a top tier car.
 
2012-09-28 01:39:23 PM

carnifex2005: notatrollorami: WTF does that mean subby?

Leaving a really good team to a bad team for the money. That being said, James did make it to the Super Bowl with that "bad" team.


Oh, OK, I guess that works. I never characterized James as having "left for the money". To me it was more Indy knew better than to pay a veteran running back big money and wisely let Arizona fulfill their destiny of paying over the hill superstars to finish their careers there. Maybe I'm misremembering because I'm not an Indy fan. 

///Running backs have such a ridiculously short shelf life I never begrudge them any opportunity to get paid. The majority of running backs, even talented ones, never last long enough to get a big payday; they're already beaten to hell by the time their rookie contract runs out.

//Wide receivers generally need to STFU and earn their next contract though.
 
2012-09-28 01:44:22 PM

soopey: It'll be interesting to see how Sergio Perez performs in a top tier car.


That it will considering Ferrari's boss said not two weeks ago that Perez wasn't ready to move up into Ferrari. Hopefully he proves them wrong.
 
2012-09-28 01:51:31 PM

MyPoolLeaks: soopey: It'll be interesting to see how Sergio Perez performs in a top tier car.

That it will considering Ferrari's boss said not two weeks ago that Perez wasn't ready to move up into Ferrari. Hopefully he proves them wrong.


Yep. Schumi doesn't have a ride next year. Is he going to go back to his previous home and replace Massa? Oh that'd be a hell of a stable. Alonso and Schmacher. Barring that, who replaces Massa?
 
2012-09-28 02:11:14 PM

carnifex2005: notatrollorami: WTF does that mean subby?

Leaving a really good team to a bad team for the money. That being said, James did make it to the Super Bowl with that "bad" team.


That used to be called "pulling a Neil O'Donnell".
 
2012-09-28 02:16:14 PM

soopey: MyPoolLeaks: soopey: It'll be interesting to see how Sergio Perez performs in a top tier car.

That it will considering Ferrari's boss said not two weeks ago that Perez wasn't ready to move up into Ferrari. Hopefully he proves them wrong.

Yep. Schumi doesn't have a ride next year. Is he going to go back to his previous home and replace Massa? Oh that'd be a hell of a stable. Alonso and Schmacher. Barring that, who replaces Massa?


Can I dream that Schumi comes over to the states and joins forces with Barrichello in Indycar?
 
2012-09-28 02:26:21 PM

carnifex2005: notatrollorami: WTF does that mean subby?

Leaving a really good team to a bad team for the money. That being said, James did make it to the Super Bowl with that "bad" team.


If you do that and your good former team subsequently goes in the tank, and you never win shiat with your bad new team, I call that a Steve Hutchinson.
 
2012-09-28 02:29:35 PM

Guelph35: Can I dream that Schumi comes over to the states and joins forces with Barrichello in Indycar?


I'd like to see him drive for Tony Stewart.

/while we're dreaming...
 
2012-09-28 02:37:03 PM

soopey: It'll be interesting to see how Sergio Perez performs in a top tier car.


Personally, I find this to be the most exciting part of the news... Perez coulda won a damn race in that underfunded Sauber if Ferrari hadn't told him to run off course.

/adjusts tinfoil hat.
 
2012-09-28 02:40:37 PM
Oh please, subby, what has Edgerrin James won in F1?
 
2012-09-28 03:09:07 PM

LucklessWonder: carnifex2005: notatrollorami: WTF does that mean subby?

Leaving a really good team to a bad team for the money. That being said, James did make it to the Super Bowl with that "bad" team.

Didn't that "bad team with money" win the constructor's championship and finish 1-2 in the driver's championship a scant 3 years ago? Sure they've changed names from Brawn to Mercedes but it's fundamentally the same organization.


Sort of. They won largely on the strength of the double diffuser, and the FIA's willingness to look the other way on what should not have been a valid design. Once the double diffuser was outlawed, the mercedes works team could not compete.
 
2012-09-28 03:12:22 PM

MyPoolLeaks: soopey: It'll be interesting to see how Sergio Perez performs in a top tier car.

That it will considering Ferrari's boss said not two weeks ago that Perez wasn't ready to move up into Ferrari. Hopefully he proves them wrong.


He actually said that? I'd love a good link to the story, if you can provide one. What an idiot, Perez learning under Alonso would have set them up with the next title contender when Alonso decided to retire.
 
2012-09-28 03:21:55 PM

rga184: MyPoolLeaks: soopey: It'll be interesting to see how Sergio Perez performs in a top tier car.

That it will considering Ferrari's boss said not two weeks ago that Perez wasn't ready to move up into Ferrari. Hopefully he proves them wrong.

He actually said that? I'd love a good link to the story, if you can provide one. What an idiot, Perez learning under Alonso would have set them up with the next title contender when Alonso decided to retire.


Link

FTFA: Next season is too early,' Di Montezemolo told Sky Sports News.
'I'm very pleased for him because first of all it showed that our choice when we picked up him as a young driver was good. Then it is thanks to Sauber, thanks to the Ferrari Academy, he grows up.

'To put a young guy to Ferrari with the pressure of Ferrari, you need more experience.'
 
2012-09-28 03:32:44 PM

carnifex2005: notatrollorami: WTF does that mean subby?

Leaving a really good team to a bad team for the money. That being said, James did make it to the Super Bowl with that "bad" team.


And he got his SB ring from the team he left
 
2012-09-28 03:37:21 PM

soopey: MyPoolLeaks: soopey: It'll be interesting to see how Sergio Perez performs in a top tier car.

That it will considering Ferrari's boss said not two weeks ago that Perez wasn't ready to move up into Ferrari. Hopefully he proves them wrong.

Yep. Schumi doesn't have a ride next year. Is he going to go back to his previous home and replace Massa? Oh that'd be a hell of a stable. Alonso and Schmacher. Barring that, who replaces Massa?


The drama between Alonso and Schumi would be ridiculous. Remember Alonso getting all huffy about Hamilton when they both drove for MacLaren? Replace Lewis with a guy who is coming back to a team that he won all those championships with and see how Alonso reacts.
 
2012-09-28 03:40:34 PM
I think it's a win/win. Perez gets a chance on a team that is competitive for the championship, and McLaren's team doesn't have to put up with Hamilton's primadonna BS. Um, I mean Hamilton will get a fresh start with a great and storied team.
 
2012-09-28 03:42:19 PM

killershark: soopey: MyPoolLeaks: soopey: It'll be interesting to see how Sergio Perez performs in a top tier car.

That it will considering Ferrari's boss said not two weeks ago that Perez wasn't ready to move up into Ferrari. Hopefully he proves them wrong.

Yep. Schumi doesn't have a ride next year. Is he going to go back to his previous home and replace Massa? Oh that'd be a hell of a stable. Alonso and Schmacher. Barring that, who replaces Massa?

The drama between Alonso and Schumi would be ridiculous. Remember Alonso getting all huffy about Hamilton when they both drove for MacLaren? Replace Lewis with a guy who is coming back to a team that he won all those championships with and see how Alonso reacts.


That said, it'd be pretty sweet to see Rosberg hand him his hat next year.
 
2012-09-28 04:20:24 PM

soopey: It'll be interesting to see how Sergio Perez performs in a top tier car.


Now he will take out other cars at a much higher rate of speed!

Ross Brawn's brain with Hamilton's big brass balls? With a dash of Rosberg in the mix?

It'll be interesting for sure. I wish Lewis the best. Especially love that he has replaced Schumi. I hope he goes away for good now.
 
2012-09-28 05:10:12 PM
So I'm of two opinions on this move.

On the one hand, I've been following Formula One since the end of 2007. I've developed a deep loyalty to McLaren because they've built a team with Hamilton and Button that to me represented the fairest of competition between two good drivers. There were never team orders screwing over one driver in favor of another. With Alonso gone, there was no longer something rotten in the state of Woking. This was a team you could feel good rooting for, and chances were they'd win. If Adrian Newey hadn't come up with a world-beater car, it might have been a competition between Hamilton and Button for the WDC, a race similar to the Senna-Prost years (minus a driver being an absolute tosser). So it pains me to see the band break up.

On the other hand, McLaren sort of forced Hamilton's hand. This season has been a comedy of errors in the McLaren paddock. And I wonder if the series of cars dying in the last few weeks was the final straw. Couple this with the fact that Rosberg has proven that someone outside of Red Bull/McLaren/Ferrari can win again. Major engine changes are coming in 2014, and the last time there were major engine changes Braun managed to put together a championship despite having to run the entire racing team himself. If Mercedes can become the fourth competitive driving team with Hamilton/Rosberg, I think it will make the sport better.

Either way, as long as Ferrari loses, we all win.
 
2012-09-28 05:16:54 PM

Guelph35: soopey: MyPoolLeaks: soopey: It'll be interesting to see how Sergio Perez performs in a top tier car.

That it will considering Ferrari's boss said not two weeks ago that Perez wasn't ready to move up into Ferrari. Hopefully he proves them wrong.

Yep. Schumi doesn't have a ride next year. Is he going to go back to his previous home and replace Massa? Oh that'd be a hell of a stable. Alonso and Schmacher. Barring that, who replaces Massa?

Can I dream that Schumi comes over to the states and joins forces with Barrichello in Indycar?


Assuming Rubens get put into even average equipment next year, he could be a force to be reckoned with. He finished in the top half this year without knowing any tracks except for Sonoma.
 
2012-09-28 05:35:22 PM
This has less to do with money and more to do with Hamiltons ego. He wants to prove he is as good if not better than Alonso and win a drivers championship with a less than brillient car.

Its an interesting ploy going with a team that is very good at making a trick car, and not a fast car. If Brawn comes up with a trick car Hamilton has the talent to win.

rga184: Sort of. They won largely on the strength of the double diffuser, and the FIA's willingness to look the other way on what should not have been a valid design. Once the double diffuser was outlawed, the mercedes works team could not compete.


The design was valid because the rules were unclear. Over the last few years the FIA has always waited to the end of the season when closeing loopholes. Just see the blown deffuser, RBL's drooping wing etc..
 
2012-09-28 06:16:15 PM

carnifex2005: to a bad team


Mercedes is hardly a bad team.
 
2012-09-28 10:45:04 PM
Push gas pedal, push buttons, occasionally turn steering wheel, rarely pass anybody. NASCAR is more of a sport, which is why great drivers like Juan Pablo Montoya, Jaques Villeneuve and Nelson Piquet, Jr. have abandoned F1 for a crack at real race cars.

/at least Piquet seems to be having some success in Trucks
 
2012-09-28 11:25:52 PM

UNC_Samurai: So I'm of two opinions on this move.

On the one hand, I've been following Formula One since the end of 2007. I've developed a deep loyalty to McLaren because they've built a team with Hamilton and Button that to me represented the fairest of competition between two good drivers. There were never team orders screwing over one driver in favor of another. With Alonso gone, there was no longer something rotten in the state of Woking. This was a team you could feel good rooting for, and chances were they'd win. If Adrian Newey hadn't come up with a world-beater car, it might have been a competition between Hamilton and Button for the WDC, a race similar to the Senna-Prost years (minus a driver being an absolute tosser). So it pains me to see the band break up.

On the other hand, McLaren sort of forced Hamilton's hand. This season has been a comedy of errors in the McLaren paddock. And I wonder if the series of cars dying in the last few weeks was the final straw. Couple this with the fact that Rosberg has proven that someone outside of Red Bull/McLaren/Ferrari can win again. Major engine changes are coming in 2014, and the last time there were major engine changes Braun managed to put together a championship despite having to run the entire racing team himself. If Mercedes can become the fourth competitive driving team with Hamilton/Rosberg, I think it will make the sport better.

Either way, as long as Ferrari loses, we all win.


You don't remember them telling lulu to "save fuel" only to have Button blow past him? He said f' that, reset to the higher setting, passed button on the next lap and finished the race with plenty of fuel?

Anyway, he needs to start and park the rest of the races, drop mclaren in the constructor points and help Mercedes now.
He can save them 5 races of fuel!!
 
2012-09-29 12:31:41 AM

Guelph35: Can I dream that Schumi comes over to the states and joins forces with Barrichello in Indycar?


In europe schumacher is an elser god. Here he would just drive racecars.
 
2012-09-29 12:55:15 AM

UNC_Samurai: Either way, as long as Ferrari loses, we all win.


Nor me. I love it when Ferrari is on top. And lets face it, no matter how badly Ferrari does in any given year it is only a matter of time before they are on top again. The rest of the teams? it is only a matter of time before they quit the sport again to seek profits elsewhere. Before the Fiat takeover Ferrari was a Formula 1 company that sold a few street legal cars to pay for their racing habit. Even now that is the general thrust of Ferrari. All the other big teams are expensive peccadillos and advertising gimmicks meant to sell goods and are at the whims of enthusiastic CEOs. Mercedes, Red Bull and all the rest might or might not exist as Formula 1 teams in a dacade or even in 3 years. Ferrari was racing formula 1 when these teams were born and Ferrari will be racin Formula 1 as one by one the rest of the teams die. In some ways Ferrari and Formula1 are so co-dependant that neither could survive a breakup without flying into chaos and decay.

So hate Ferrari all you want and root for your transient teams. Its good for the sport and therefore good for Ferrari. There is great history and culture in hatin Ferrari. But know that you will eventually need to root for either a different team than your current one or you will simply be stuck in a loop rooting for not-Ferrari. Ferrai wont ever change so you will need to in order to keep your rooting interest strong.
 
2012-09-29 03:23:00 AM

notatrollorami: carnifex2005: notatrollorami: WTF does that mean subby?

Leaving a really good team to a bad team for the money. That being said, James did make it to the Super Bowl with that "bad" team.

Oh, OK, I guess that works. I never characterized James as having "left for the money". To me it was more Indy knew better than to pay a veteran running back big money and wisely let Arizona fulfill their destiny of paying over the hill superstars to finish their careers there. Maybe I'm misremembering because I'm not an Indy fan. 

///Running backs have such a ridiculously short shelf life I never begrudge them any opportunity to get paid. The majority of running backs, even talented ones, never last long enough to get a big payday; they're already beaten to hell by the time their rookie contract runs out.



Yeah, it wasn't that he wanted more money than Indy wanted to give him. It was that Indy realized he was past his prime, and being a team that emphasizes the passing game they never spend big bucks on the RB. They did the same thing with Marshal Faulk after the '98 season. He wasn't quite past his prime, and he was a damn good back, but they were in their first year of rebuilding around their new franchise QB, and with the the top pick in the draft coming up it made more sense to let him walk and draft a fresh RB of your choice that will still be in his prime for the next few seasons while you assemble a competitive team. Of course, in the case of Marshal Faulk he went on to win the Super Bowl the next season with the Rams, so it worked out a little better for Faulk than James.
 
2012-09-29 03:44:47 AM
bluorangefyre: Push gas pedal, push buttons, occasionally turn steering wheel, rarely pass anybody. NASCAR is more of a sport, which is why great drivers like Juan Pablo Montoya, Jaques Villeneuve and Nelson Piquet, Jr. have abandoned F1 for a crack at real race cars.

/at least Piquet seems to be having some success in Trucks


Nice try.
 
2012-09-29 06:03:46 AM

Victoly: bluorangefyre: Push gas pedal, push buttons, occasionally turn steering wheel, rarely pass anybody. NASCAR is more of a sport, which is why great drivers like Juan Pablo Montoya, Jaques Villeneuve and Nelson Piquet, Jr. have abandoned F1 for a crack at real race cars.

/at least Piquet seems to be having some success in Trucks

Nice try.


That and Villeneuve is busy bringing up the rear in V8 Supercar races in Australia.
 
2012-09-29 06:13:22 AM

mikaloyd: UNC_Samurai: Either way, as long as Ferrari loses, we all win.

Nor me. I love it when Ferrari is on top. And lets face it, no matter how badly Ferrari does in any given year it is only a matter of time before they are on top again. The rest of the teams? it is only a matter of time before they quit the sport again to seek profits elsewhere. Before the Fiat takeover Ferrari was a Formula 1 company that sold a few street legal cars to pay for their racing habit. Even now that is the general thrust of Ferrari. All the other big teams are expensive peccadillos and advertising gimmicks meant to sell goods and are at the whims of enthusiastic CEOs. Mercedes, Red Bull and all the rest might or might not exist as Formula 1 teams in a dacade or even in 3 years. Ferrari was racing formula 1 when these teams were born and Ferrari will be racin Formula 1 as one by one the rest of the teams die. In some ways Ferrari and Formula1 are so co-dependant that neither could survive a breakup without flying into chaos and decay.

So hate Ferrari all you want and root for your transient teams. Its good for the sport and therefore good for Ferrari. There is great history and culture in hatin Ferrari. But know that you will eventually need to root for either a different team than your current one or you will simply be stuck in a loop rooting for not-Ferrari. Ferrai wont ever change so you will need to in order to keep your rooting interest strong.


If your going to troll please try harder, the amount of fail in your post is reaching HRT levels.
 
2012-09-29 09:57:30 AM

mikaloyd: and are at the whims of enthusiastic CEOs.


The people at McLaren would like a word.

bluorangefyre: rarely pass anybody


Do you know how I know you haven't watched a single race this year?
 
2012-09-29 09:59:02 AM
BTW Ferrari's F1 budget is bigger than Ferrari's budget for developing and building road cars. Let that settle in for a few.
 
2012-09-29 12:40:06 PM
I just watched "Senna" yesterday, so I am now qualified to post in here
 
2012-09-29 02:33:20 PM

WhyteRaven74: BTW Ferrari's F1 budget is bigger than Ferrari's budget for developing and building road cars. Let that settle in for a few.


I don't mind Ferrari being dedicated to fielding a racing team. I mind them being corrupt as hell and bending the rules, rules-makers, and the Concorde Agreement to their whims.
 
2012-09-29 03:58:17 PM
Think we'll get a thread for next weekend's 2am ET race in Japan?
 
2012-09-29 07:10:51 PM
However unlikely, I would like it if Hamilton won this year's championship, because I think he deserves it as a driver. A world where Vettel has two and Hamilton has only one doesn't seem right to me. But next year, I hope the Mercedes is a biatch and Perez spanks it, because I want to see Hamilton's face when he realises what a blunderous mistake he's made.
 
2012-09-30 08:47:46 AM

summersa74: Victoly: bluorangefyre: Push gas pedal, push buttons, occasionally turn steering wheel, rarely pass anybody. NASCAR is more of a sport, which is why great drivers like Juan Pablo Montoya, Jaques Villeneuve and Nelson Piquet, Jr. have abandoned F1 for a crack at real race cars.

/at least Piquet seems to be having some success in Trucks

Nice try.

That and Villeneuve is busy bringing up the rear in V8 Supercar races in Australia.


True, but that's a different thing (Villeneuve's a washed-up has-been). Piquet Jr. is a never-was whose crowning achievement in F1 consists of putting his car into a wall because his asshole teammate couldn't win the race otherwise.

/ And JPM will jump to a new series with new and exciting things to run into
 
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