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(Talking Points Memo)   After looking at the latest polls, the GOP figures they've nothing to lose, so they're letting Mitt take some credit for Obamacare   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 32
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2012-09-28 07:59:58 AM
Ryan's gonna have to start calling Mitt something stronger than Stench.
 
2012-09-28 09:38:02 AM
If we didn't live in the Internet age, that'd be brilliant. You know there's no way your base would change their vote, so you'd only have votes to gain by switching to a more moderate, likable stance. However, when any 14 year old can pull a search engine out of his pocket and check the largest information source that the world has ever seen - we can tell you're full of shiat pretty quickly.
 
2012-09-28 10:22:13 AM
Running from RomneyCare was a farking ridiculous plan to begin with. The idiot crackers that are the GOP's base are going to vote for Romney no matter what, so the notion that he could woo independents/conservative democrats by denouncing the one decent thing he's accomplished is just asinine.
 
2012-09-28 10:22:17 AM
Welp, I guess the GOP base will be staying home this election, huh? That'll help in those down-ticket races.
 
2012-09-28 10:23:21 AM
I honestly cannot understand why the GOP didn't do this from the very beginning. They ceded every policy position from way right of center to the Democrats by not doing so
 
2012-09-28 10:23:58 AM
Tomorrow Romney staffers will stage a rally where they will literally throw shiat at a wall, and the shiat that sticks will get its own 30-second spot.
 
2012-09-28 10:26:08 AM
DRINK!
 
2012-09-28 10:26:45 AM
"I was for Obamacare before I was against Obamacare before I was for Obamacare".- GOP
 
2012-09-28 10:30:05 AM
Maybe the GOP is reasoning that if Romney takes every possible position on every possible issue, he'll appeal to every possible voter.
 
2012-09-28 10:33:14 AM

MFAWG: I honestly cannot understand why the GOP didn't do this from the very beginning. They ceded every policy position from way right of center to the Democrats by not doing so


they've gone all in on "democrats are bad and anything they touch is unclean" idea.

i do think they missed a great opportunity to take full credit for ACA by reminding everyone it was a republican plan for reform for decades and successfully implemented a decade ago by a republican governor on the state level and how it tool democrats this long to come to the same conclusion. then use it as a platform to spin how they have the right idea for reform and its the democrats that are obstructionist.
 
2012-09-28 10:33:15 AM
I've saved the auto industry and passed comprehensive healthcare reform. Why wouldn't you vote for me?
- Mitt Romney
 
2012-09-28 10:33:26 AM
As always, the devil is in the details.

The polling question that the article refers to is:

Please tell me which candidate do you think would be best on being tough on terrorism

Talk about a stupid vague question.

And if you had reminded people that Obama killed OBL, the results would have been very different.

And look what happens when you ask more specific questions:

Who do you think is better suited to handle international crises in Libya, Egypt, Syria and other Middle East conflicts: Obama 49-38

Turning to the situation with Iran potentially developing nuclear weapons, which of the following is the best approach for the U.S.? Diplomacy beats joining up with Israel 49-32.  That's basically Obama's policy vs Romney's.
 
2012-09-28 10:34:10 AM
vote for romney, you may not agree with him now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring!
 
2012-09-28 10:34:19 AM
Obligatory.

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2012-09-28 10:34:26 AM
Obama just needs to run more clips of Romney speaking.
 
2012-09-28 10:41:25 AM
 
2012-09-28 10:42:47 AM

thornhill: And look what happens when you ask more specific questions:

Who do you think is better suited to handle international crises in Libya, Egypt, Syria and other Middle East conflicts: Obama 49-38

Turning to the situation with Iran potentially developing nuclear weapons, which of the following is the best approach for the U.S.? Diplomacy beats joining up with Israel 49-32. That's basically Obama's policy vs Romney's.


Yeah, but a "real" president knows you don't govern from polls. Romney does what god/his heart/his largest donor(s) tells him to do.

// also, this is why Israel's not going to do shiat absent a significant change/development
// the polling is even worse out of Tel Aviv
 
2012-09-28 10:44:14 AM
... and don't forget Mitt's role in the killing of Bin Laden.
 
2012-09-28 10:45:44 AM
"I don't think there's anything that shows more empathy and care about the people of this country than that kind of record."

Mitt Romney is running the most cynical Presidential campaign in my lifetime. He says absolutely anything, so I can't trust anything he says. Every statement out of the trust fund guy's mouth is a contradiction of his previous statement. He's worse than Rudy Guiliani, "Noun verb 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!" He's worse than Richard Nixon who, as president, claimed he had a secret plan to end the Vietnam war, the same promise he'd made 4 years before.

Romney says he cares nothing about half the people of this country. Truth be told, Romney cares nothing about 99% of the people of this country.
 
2012-09-28 10:48:29 AM

beth_lida: ... and don't forget Mitt's role in the killing of Bin Laden.


Of course, where would we be as a nation without Mitt boldly criticizing the CiC's decisions?
 
2012-09-28 10:52:10 AM

xenophon10k: Ryan's gonna have to start calling Mitt something stronger than Stench.


He can call him a flip-flopper.

Johnny Swank: Running from RomneyCare was a farking ridiculous plan to begin with.


Especially after the Supreme Court didn't strike the law down. At the point Romney could have/should have embraced the law saying his objections were the Constitutionality of the law on the National level. With the Supreme Court answering that question he could then take credit for Obamas success without sounding like a hypocrite. Instead, Romney took the impossible position of pretending the past didn't exist.
 
2012-09-28 10:52:13 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Welp, I guess the GOP base will be staying home this election, huh? That'll help in those down-ticket races.


Yeah, if they think the base is just going to let them run on socialism, they got something coming.

Mitt seems determined to make this a landslide, realignment election, doesn't he?
 
2012-09-28 10:53:44 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Obama just needs to run more clips of Romney speaking.


Like this?
 
2012-09-28 11:01:20 AM

TheBlackrose: DRINK!


Father Jack?

/Obscure
 
2012-09-28 11:03:32 AM

bloobeary: Satanic_Hamster: Obama just needs to run more clips of Romney speaking.

Like this?


As I said; more. Maybe start with Obama saying the Democrats based Obamacare on Romneycare which was based on Gingrichcare which was based on Nixoncare. Then show the clips of Romney both damning and endorsing it.
 
2012-09-28 11:04:12 AM
Good. I like the Romney who was governor much more than the one who's running for president.
 
2012-09-28 11:10:51 AM
"If elected President, I promise to repeal the Obama healthcare reform law based on that MA healthcare law I drafted but had no part in and really hated, and I'll keep some of the stuff in Obama's healthcare law that you like but replace other parts with something else that I can't tell you about right now but trust me you'll love it, and did I mention that Obama's healthcare reform law was basically my idea? Vote for me."
 
2012-09-28 11:12:49 AM

Cletus C.: Good. I like the Romney who was governor much more than the one who's running for president.


That Romney is dead.

Some of his memories were uploaded into Rmoney2012, but there was serious file corruption.
 
2012-09-28 01:14:07 PM
•Romney isn't allowed to tout RomneyCare because it's hated by the GOP base.
•Romney is losing badly.
•Romney is told he's allowed to tout RomneyCare.
•He's allowed to tout RomneyCare because he thinks he'll have a better chance of winning if he does.

The GOP base has loser policy positions on a national level. QED
 
2012-09-28 02:29:17 PM
So this means that the Republicans know full well that citizen want health care. They fought it as long as they could, but now they are desperate so they might as well try doing what people want.

Un-real.
 
2012-09-28 02:34:14 PM

Coolfusis: If we didn't live in the Internet age, that'd be brilliant. You know there's no way your base would change their vote, so you'd only have votes to gain by switching to a more moderate, likable stance. However, when any 14 year old can pull a search engine out of his pocket and check the largest information source that the world has ever seen - we can tell you're full of shiat pretty quickly.


This, in a nutshell, is why the GOP is unraveling IMO.

For years they have pandered separately to various portions of their base. They say what they want to hear and move on. Then, once they have locked in the base, they switch to saying more reasonable things for the broader election. It used to work. Now it is seen as "flip flopping" and "not knowing where he stands".

Also, internet reading is less likely to preserve the chronology. It used to be a story could change and the old article faded away. Now a google search is just as likely to pull up material from any point in the campaign, further documenting the changes.

This internet thing just might catch on!
 
2012-09-28 02:37:13 PM

SpectroBoy: Now it is seen as "flip flopping" and "not knowing where he stands".


And John Kerry gets his ultimate revenge....
 
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