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(Cleveland Plain Dealer)   Manny Acta finds out what the proverbial "vote of confidence" is worth   (cleveland.com) divider line 44
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2012-09-28 12:46:09 PM
It's about damn time. Now fire the rest of the people who put that team together.
 
2012-09-28 12:46:26 PM
Well duh. You wouldn't need a "vote of confidence" if your team was doing fine.
 
2012-09-28 12:52:21 PM
I've watched a lot of Indians baseball in my life and the second half of this season has been the absolute Indians baseball I've ever seen.

Maybe I'm spoiled because I grew up watching those great teams in the nineties, but the current state of the team is absolutely embarrassing and there needs to be a total overhaul in the front office if we're ever going to get another shot at a pennant.
 
2012-09-28 12:56:24 PM
Does anyone really watch baseball? Hey, I've got a great idea, lets make it so the team that wins the all star game, gets home field advantage in the world series.
 
2012-09-28 12:59:15 PM

CavalierEternal: I've watched a lot of Indians baseball in my life and the second half of this season has been the absolute Indians baseball I've ever seen.

Maybe I'm spoiled because I grew up watching those great teams in the nineties, but the current state of the team is absolutely embarrassing and there needs to be a total overhaul in the front office if we're ever going to get another shot at a pennant.

 
2012-09-28 01:00:47 PM

roc6783: CavalierEternal: I've watched a lot of Indians baseball in my life and the second half of this season has been the absolute Indians baseball I've ever seen.

Maybe I'm spoiled because I grew up watching those great teams in the nineties, but the current state of the team is absolutely embarrassing and there needs to be a total overhaul in the front office if we're ever going to get another shot at a pennant.


Again, with feeling: 

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2012-09-28 01:06:39 PM

CavalierEternal: I've watched a lot of Indians baseball in my life and the second half of this season has been the absolute Indians baseball I've ever seen.


I'm pretty sure this is a mistake. But it's a good one.
 
2012-09-28 01:14:37 PM

CavalierEternal: I've watched a lot of Indians baseball in my life and the second half of this season has been the absolute Indians baseball I've ever seen.


I'm not sure if that was intentional, but I laughed.

/sad White Sox fan
 
2012-09-28 01:14:38 PM

Dafatone: CavalierEternal: I've watched a lot of Indians baseball in my life and the second half of this season has been the absolute Indians baseball I've ever seen.

I'm pretty sure this is a mistake. But it's a good one.


What I think he meant was "Indiansest."

/can we have Asdrubal and Shin-Soo back now?
 
2012-09-28 01:17:05 PM
Pat Shermurmurmur is next.

/watch out whoever is coaching the Cavs
 
2012-09-28 02:04:01 PM
frontrow.espn.go.com
Hey there, I'm interested. Call my agent and we'll do lunch and I'll even wrap the leftovers.
 
2012-09-28 02:04:57 PM
Well, that doesn't fix the fact that Shapiro and Antonetti still have jobs, but hey, They weren't the ones who signed the players and made the trades....oh....wait......

I feel bad for Sandy; being put in a position to fail. They will take one of our beloved stars, and make us hate him in 2 years after his 2nd consecutive losing season. Anytime you saddle a manager with Hafner and Siezmore you're destined to fail.
 
2012-09-28 02:18:32 PM
What's sad is that the Indians have pulled off this swan dive despite playing in the crappiest division in baseball.
 
2012-09-28 02:20:33 PM

MAYORBOB: [frontrow.espn.go.com image 477x390]
Hey there, I'm interested. Call my agent and we'll do lunch and I'll even wrap the leftovers.


heh.. you people actually think Bobby V is getting fired...
 
2012-09-28 02:22:03 PM
I don't get why they have to fire the guy a few games before the end of the year. At least let him finish out the year and walk away with some pride. Every time I see something like this happen, my immediate thought is it's a scapegoat situation to save the GM.
 
2012-09-28 02:27:42 PM

Cagey B: What's sad is that the Indians have pulled off this swan dive despite playing in the crappiest division in baseball.


as horrible as the Red Sox and Jays have been this year, they'd only be a game out of 3rd in the AL Central
 
2012-09-28 02:30:00 PM

The Bestest: MAYORBOB: [frontrow.espn.go.com image 477x390]
Hey there, I'm interested. Call my agent and we'll do lunch and I'll even wrap the leftovers.

heh.. you people actually think Bobby V is getting fired...


Oh he'll get fired. Then the Red Sox will bring in an unknown from the up-and-coming Latvian Professional Baseball Association to manage the 2013 season by the name of "Robert Enitnelav", who will be noted for his trademark moustache and sunglasses at press conferences.
 
2012-09-28 02:55:43 PM

Cagey B: Oh he'll get fired. Then the Red Sox will bring in an unknown from the up-and-coming Latvian Professional Baseball Association to manage the 2013 season by the name of "Robert Enitnelav", who will be noted for his trademark moustache and sunglasses at press conferences.


Then Dan Shaughnessy will purposely bring with him an improperly folded wrap sandwich to a press conference, knowing full well that would provoke the ire of "Robert Enitnelav", and the jig will be up.
 
2012-09-28 03:04:37 PM

CavalierEternal: I've watched a lot of Indians baseball in my life and the second half of this season has been the absolute Indians baseball I've ever seen.

Maybe I'm spoiled because I grew up watching those great teams in the nineties, but the current state of the team is absolutely embarrassing and there needs to be a total overhaul in the front office if we're ever going to get another shot at a pennant.


Sometimes you need a complete collapse to get those top draft picks; Tribe could use a few. Example: Washington Nats with Strasburg and Harper. Of course getting Gio Gonzalez in a trade didn't hurt either.

Somebody else mentioned Shurmur, there's the real captain of the Titanic right now. Browns may look worse than the Indians by the time the season's over.
 
2012-09-28 03:05:09 PM
As a Tigers' fan, I would like to give a very warm thank you to the Indians for their play this week.
 
2012-09-28 03:11:57 PM
As for Manny Acta, well, cmon, he stinks at being anything other than a placeholder. .418 lifetime? Strangely, same percentage as former Indian Buddy Bell.

Manny Acta page at Baseball reference
 
2012-09-28 03:15:35 PM

CognaciousThunk: As for Manny Acta, well, cmon, he stinks at being anything other than a placeholder. .418 lifetime? Strangely, same percentage as former Indian Buddy Bell.

Manny Acta page at Baseball reference


That's kinda unfair. In fact, I daresay he overachieved as manager of the Nats.
 
2012-09-28 03:15:47 PM

CognaciousThunk: As for Manny Acta, well, cmon, he stinks at being anything other than a placeholder. .418 lifetime? Strangely, same percentage as former Indian Buddy Bell.


Judging by overall winning percentage is a little unfair to Acta, as he was given some pretty terrible Nationals teams to oversee. Also while the Indians are playing below their talent level, they don't appear to have a very high ceiling with the players they have, either. And it's not like Acta was the one who made the Ubaldo Jimenez trade.
 
2012-09-28 03:58:11 PM

The Bestest: CognaciousThunk: As for Manny Acta, well, cmon, he stinks at being anything other than a placeholder. .418 lifetime? Strangely, same percentage as former Indian Buddy Bell.

Manny Acta page at Baseball reference

That's kinda unfair. In fact, I daresay he overachieved as manager of the Nats.


Eh, I wasn't sad to see him go. He got "The Stench" on him. Ask Paul Ryan about it.
 
2012-09-28 04:15:19 PM

coolio mack: I don't get why they have to fire the guy a few games before the end of the year. At least let him finish out the year and walk away with some pride. Every time I see something like this happen, my immediate thought is it's a scapegoat situation to save the GM.


We were talking about that at work this morning and we came up with that it possibly had something to do with Acta getting paid "X" if he was able to finish out the year.

Go Tribe!
 
2012-09-28 04:16:24 PM

Cagey B: What's sad is that the Indians have pulled off this swan dive despite playing in the crappiest division in baseball.


This will be the first time since 2003 that the Royals have not finished 4th or 5th in the AL Central.
 
2012-09-28 04:35:40 PM

The Bestest: CognaciousThunk: As for Manny Acta, well, cmon, he stinks at being anything other than a placeholder. .418 lifetime? Strangely, same percentage as former Indian Buddy Bell.

Manny Acta page at Baseball reference

That's kinda unfair. In fact, I daresay he overachieved as manager of the Nats.


I always liked him as a coach for the Mets, and he seemed to do a good job with what he had in Washington. I wouldn't mind the Mets taking a look at him.
 
2012-09-28 04:38:30 PM
The Indians? I wasn't aware they still had a team.
 
2012-09-28 04:43:40 PM
We have uniforms and everything!
 
2012-09-28 04:52:48 PM
It's really great!
 
2012-09-28 04:59:32 PM

skrame: CavalierEternal: I've watched a lot of Indians baseball in my life and the second half of this season has been the absolute Indians baseball I've ever seen.

I'm not sure if that was intentional, but I laughed.

/sad White Sox fan


Your White Sox have been playing absolute Indians baseball as of late, and for that I thank them.

/Tigers fan
 
2012-09-28 05:20:11 PM
What's sad is that the Indians have pulled off this swan dive despite playing in the crappiest division in baseball.

The solution would appear to be:
* Acta until June (he's had the team in 1st place two years in a row)
* Eric Wedge for the rest of the season (he's had excellent 2nd half records with the hapless Indians and the hapless Mariners)

/Still no solution for Shapiro.
 
2012-09-28 06:45:44 PM
The Indians have no business being in the same league as a powerhouse like Detroit. None.
 
2012-09-28 08:46:27 PM
ugh..

O's blowing out the Red Sox and Kuroda (though winning, for now) strugglign against the Jays.

I actually thought that the Red Sox would, yanno.. play with a bit of fire and try to do to the O's what the O's did to them last year. Silly me.
 
2012-09-28 09:25:04 PM

Cagey B: CognaciousThunk: As for Manny Acta, well, cmon, he stinks at being anything other than a placeholder. .418 lifetime? Strangely, same percentage as former Indian Buddy Bell.

Judging by overall winning percentage is a little unfair to Acta, as he was given some pretty terrible Nationals teams to oversee. Also while the Indians are playing below their talent level, they don't appear to have a very high ceiling with the players they have, either. And it's not like Acta was the one who made the Ubaldo Jimenez trade.


The Ubaldo trade seems like a wash, with a couple of the tradees driving on sidewalks in Denver this year... but I suppose nobody looked too deeply at the Acta BBRef page. Before he became a major league manager, his highest level managing was high-A ball. MLB coaching is one thing, but high A? Sheesh.
 
2012-09-28 09:36:24 PM
Homer Bailey just no-no'd the Pirates
 
2012-09-28 09:41:35 PM

The Bestest: Homer Bailey just no-no'd the Pirates


Damn, beat me to it ;0 ... I've had the game on from the start, didn't notice the no-hit business until the 6th. Here's the box: CIN vs PIT

Good pitching helps keep a manager's job too...
 
2012-09-28 09:43:46 PM

CognaciousThunk: Cagey B: CognaciousThunk: As for Manny Acta, well, cmon, he stinks at being anything other than a placeholder. .418 lifetime? Strangely, same percentage as former Indian Buddy Bell.

Judging by overall winning percentage is a little unfair to Acta, as he was given some pretty terrible Nationals teams to oversee. Also while the Indians are playing below their talent level, they don't appear to have a very high ceiling with the players they have, either. And it's not like Acta was the one who made the Ubaldo Jimenez trade.

The Ubaldo trade seems like a wash, with a couple of the tradees driving on sidewalks in Denver this year... but I suppose nobody looked too deeply at the Acta BBRef page. Before he became a major league manager, his highest level managing was high-A ball. MLB coaching is one thing, but high A? Sheesh.


Ron Washington had never managed higher than low A before the Rangers hired him. CLEARLY A BAD HIRE, amiright?

Ozzie Guillen had never managed any team before the White Sox hired him. As I recall, they never won a game when he was manager.
 
2012-09-28 09:46:17 PM
Robin Ventura wasn't coaching anywhere before the White Sox hired him as manager this year, no? They lead the division just a few days ago.
 
2012-09-28 09:47:59 PM

The Bestest: Robin Ventura wasn't coaching anywhere before the White Sox hired him as manager this year, no? They lead the division just a few days ago.


Yeah, and Matheny had no experience anywhere either.
 
2012-09-28 10:23:04 PM
Phillies eliminated
 
2012-09-28 11:35:05 PM
O's 9, Red Sox 1
Yankees 11, Jays 4
Angels 7, Rangers 4
Twins 4, Tigers 2
White Sox 3, Rays 1
A's 3-1 over Mariners in the 5th


Rangers lead over Yankees back to 1 for the #1.
Yankees still 1 over O's as they continue their mimicry act for AL East and the #2.
O's 1.5 over A's for WC1.
A's 1.5 over Angels and 2.5 over Rays for WC2
Tigers back to 1 game over White Sox for AL Central. (AL Central is locked into 3rd seed)

5 left (not counting the A's game in progress at time of posting)
 
2012-09-28 11:54:40 PM
How about them Pirates? Keeping a 20-year streak alive?
 
2012-09-29 09:23:29 AM

mc_madness: The Indians have no business being in the same league as a powerhouse like Detroit. None.


I would agree, if i wasn't a tribe fan who was actually at the July 26 afternoon game where they beat Verlander.

/They pulled their pud right there and slept soundly the rest of the year
//I bought a ticket (1st row upper deck at 1st base) to that game for $15, and the ticket became a concessions coupon for $10, effectively giving me a 5$ game. 
///For some reason Browns and Tribe don't do very well after i go to a live game. I'm sorry Clev. fans, it's been my fault for the last 20 years. The 20 before that? yer on your own...
 
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