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2012-09-28 10:44:08 AM
tonyfoto.com


This is the scary thing: while the Romneybot seems to be programmed for hilarious gaffes and self-destruction, the Harpermatic 2000 is coldly efficient, and shows no sign of slowing down at this point.
 
2012-09-28 11:39:31 AM

Rusty Shackleford: This is the scary thing: while the Romneybot seems to be programmed for hilarious gaffes and self-destruction, the Harpermatic 2000 is coldly efficient, and shows no sign of slowing down at this point.


And it feeds on kittens.

www.vul.bc.ca
 
2012-09-28 01:25:57 PM
farm6.static.flickr.com

/proud of this one
//hope someone in the pm's office see's it! :D
///hopefully justin trudeau will end dictator harper's reign
 
2012-09-28 01:26:38 PM
FTA: Mr. Harper delivered clear clarion calls on causes he holds dear -urging strong action to pressure Iran and the stalwart defence of Israel - but combined that message with an assessment of a murky world.


Good. Maybe they can back Israel now instead of us
 
2012-09-28 01:26:38 PM
sees, not see's
 
2012-09-28 01:27:17 PM
I think the problem is that once you go far south enough, say south of Massachussets, neither model has a sufficient cooling system to prevent wear-and-tear on the CPU. The Harperbot simply has the advantage of a cooler environment.
 
2012-09-28 01:28:35 PM
Well, it's nice to get my daily dose of "things that annoy me and make my skin crawl" out of the way early today.
 
2012-09-28 01:30:51 PM

Nurglitch: I think the problem is that once you go far south enough, say south of Massachussets, neither model has a sufficient cooling system to prevent wear-and-tear on the CPU. The Harperbot simply has the advantage of a cooler environment.


No wonder he does so poorly in Vancouver.
 
2012-09-28 01:31:25 PM

CraicBaby: Rusty Shackleford: This is the scary thing: while the Romneybot seems to be programmed for hilarious gaffes and self-destruction, the Harpermatic 2000 is coldly efficient, and shows no sign of slowing down at this point.

And it feeds on kittens.

[www.vul.bc.ca image 400x503]


You know who else fed on kittens?

pichars.org
 
2012-09-28 01:44:45 PM

danielscissorhands: [farm6.static.flickr.com image 450x311]

/proud of this one
//hope someone in the pm's office see's it! :D
///hopefully justin trudeau will end dictator harper's reign


I remember watching Justin Trudeau deliver a eulogy at his father's funeral. He talked about what a great father Pierre was, to Justin and his brothers. He did all these awesome things, with Justin and his brothers. He was always there, for Justin and his brothers.

All the while, Justin's little half-sister, who was about eight years old, was sitting there in the front row. Not once did Justin acknowledge her, or mention that Pierre was also an awesome father to that little girl, who was sitting there looking numb with grief. And I thought to myself, "What sort of grown man goes out of his way to ignore a heartbroken little girl?" and the answer was, "A turd bucket."

My grown daughters have a young half-sister, the daughter of their father and his second wife. And if I ever thought for a second that they would treat her so badly, I would kick their respective arses from here to the middle of next week. Fortunately, they think she's a swell kid.

I wouldn't vote for Justin Trudeau if he were the only candidate on the ballot.

/despise Harper, too.
 
2012-09-28 01:49:53 PM
I'd vote for him...
 
2012-09-28 01:51:02 PM
The Iranian embassy closure will turn out to have been a budgetary measure - when it "reopens", it'll open in the British embassy, as per the recently-announced joint embassy deal.

Also, we have a forced-birther as Minister for Status of Women, an alleged creationist as Science Minister, and a pipeline promoter as Environment Minister.

It appears the GOP has moved here, and only needs about 40% of the popular vote to rule.

Sleep tight, fellow Canucks.
 
2012-09-28 01:52:12 PM
He also picked up the Nobel Peace Prize and a couple of Al Gore's old Grammies from the bin in the lobby on his way out, plus a Grammie for the song "Baby on Board" which was also in the cardboard box for some unknown reason.

Nobody is sure, but it is believed that Simpsons did it.
 
2012-09-28 01:52:30 PM

Sass-O-Rev: danielscissorhands: [farm6.static.flickr.com image 450x311]

/proud of this one
//hope someone in the pm's office see's it! :D
///hopefully justin trudeau will end dictator harper's reign

I remember watching Justin Trudeau deliver a eulogy at his father's funeral. He talked about what a great father Pierre was, to Justin and his brothers. He did all these awesome things, with Justin and his brothers. He was always there, for Justin and his brothers.

All the while, Justin's little half-sister, who was about eight years old, was sitting there in the front row. Not once did Justin acknowledge her, or mention that Pierre was also an awesome father to that little girl, who was sitting there looking numb with grief. And I thought to myself, "What sort of grown man goes out of his way to ignore a heartbroken little girl?" and the answer was, "A turd bucket."

My grown daughters have a young half-sister, the daughter of their father and his second wife. And if I ever thought for a second that they would treat her so badly, I would kick their respective arses from here to the middle of next week. Fortunately, they think she's a swell kid.

I wouldn't vote for Justin Trudeau if he were the only candidate on the ballot.

/despise Harper, too.


That's sad. What a jerk, then.

Well, I vote NDP, anway, but I don't seem them winning, unfortunately. I'm not saying that will prevent me from voting NDP. I'm just being realistic.
 
2012-09-28 01:55:36 PM

danielscissorhands: Sass-O-Rev: danielscissorhands: [farm6.static.flickr.com image 450x311]

/proud of this one
//hope someone in the pm's office see's it! :D
///hopefully justin trudeau will end dictator harper's reign

I remember watching Justin Trudeau deliver a eulogy at his father's funeral. He talked about what a great father Pierre was, to Justin and his brothers. He did all these awesome things, with Justin and his brothers. He was always there, for Justin and his brothers.

All the while, Justin's little half-sister, who was about eight years old, was sitting there in the front row. Not once did Justin acknowledge her, or mention that Pierre was also an awesome father to that little girl, who was sitting there looking numb with grief. And I thought to myself, "What sort of grown man goes out of his way to ignore a heartbroken little girl?" and the answer was, "A turd bucket."

My grown daughters have a young half-sister, the daughter of their father and his second wife. And if I ever thought for a second that they would treat her so badly, I would kick their respective arses from here to the middle of next week. Fortunately, they think she's a swell kid.

I wouldn't vote for Justin Trudeau if he were the only candidate on the ballot.

/despise Harper, too.

That's sad. What a jerk, then.

Well, I vote NDP, anway, but I don't seem them winning, unfortunately. I'm not saying that will prevent me from voting NDP. I'm just being realistic.


Also NDP. *high five*
 
2012-09-28 01:58:59 PM

Sass-O-Rev: danielscissorhands: Sass-O-Rev: danielscissorhands: [farm6.static.flickr.com image 450x311]

/proud of this one
//hope someone in the pm's office see's it! :D
///hopefully justin trudeau will end dictator harper's reign

I remember watching Justin Trudeau deliver a eulogy at his father's funeral. He talked about what a great father Pierre was, to Justin and his brothers. He did all these awesome things, with Justin and his brothers. He was always there, for Justin and his brothers.

All the while, Justin's little half-sister, who was about eight years old, was sitting there in the front row. Not once did Justin acknowledge her, or mention that Pierre was also an awesome father to that little girl, who was sitting there looking numb with grief. And I thought to myself, "What sort of grown man goes out of his way to ignore a heartbroken little girl?" and the answer was, "A turd bucket."

My grown daughters have a young half-sister, the daughter of their father and his second wife. And if I ever thought for a second that they would treat her so badly, I would kick their respective arses from here to the middle of next week. Fortunately, they think she's a swell kid.

I wouldn't vote for Justin Trudeau if he were the only candidate on the ballot.

/despise Harper, too.

That's sad. What a jerk, then.

Well, I vote NDP, anway, but I don't seem them winning, unfortunately. I'm not saying that will prevent me from voting NDP. I'm just being realistic.

Also NDP. *high five*


theneave.com
 
2012-09-28 02:40:00 PM

danielscissorhands: Sass-O-Rev: danielscissorhands: Sass-O-Rev: danielscissorhands: [farm6.static.flickr.com image 450x311]

/proud of this one
//hope someone in the pm's office see's it! :D
///hopefully justin trudeau will end dictator harper's reign

I remember watching Justin Trudeau deliver a eulogy at his father's funeral. He talked about what a great father Pierre was, to Justin and his brothers. He did all these awesome things, with Justin and his brothers. He was always there, for Justin and his brothers.

All the while, Justin's little half-sister, who was about eight years old, was sitting there in the front row. Not once did Justin acknowledge her, or mention that Pierre was also an awesome father to that little girl, who was sitting there looking numb with grief. And I thought to myself, "What sort of grown man goes out of his way to ignore a heartbroken little girl?" and the answer was, "A turd bucket."

My grown daughters have a young half-sister, the daughter of their father and his second wife. And if I ever thought for a second that they would treat her so badly, I would kick their respective arses from here to the middle of next week. Fortunately, they think she's a swell kid.

I wouldn't vote for Justin Trudeau if he were the only candidate on the ballot.

/despise Harper, too.

That's sad. What a jerk, then.

Well, I vote NDP, anway, but I don't seem them winning, unfortunately. I'm not saying that will prevent me from voting NDP. I'm just being realistic.

Also NDP. *high five*

[theneave.com image 297x295]


Favourited.
 
2012-09-28 02:46:02 PM
maybe he was wearing this patch?

i.ebayimg.com
 
2012-09-28 02:53:54 PM

PlatinumDragon: The Iranian embassy closure will turn out to have been a budgetary measure - when it "reopens", it'll open in the British embassy, as per the recently-announced joint embassy deal.

Also, we have a forced-birther as Minister for Status of Women, an alleged creationist as Science Minister, and a pipeline promoter as Environment Minister.

It appears the GOP has moved here, and only needs about 40% of the popular vote to rule.

Sleep tight, fellow Canucks.


Harper and Co. are not the GOP. As far right as the Conservatives seem to be, they are still left when compared to the Republicans. Harper is about as far to the right as Obama. Yes, Harper's government has some disturbing legislation and some social issues are based more on their religious beliefs than the values of Canada.This is not in dispute. But do not think, for one second, the Conservatives are anywhere near as dangerous as the Republicans. But until the Liberals manage to get their act together, Harper is the best we have. And if you think that the Cons need only 40% of the popular vote to win a majority, you don't understand how the electoral process works in Canada. The Westminster style parliament electoral process in Canada is a tad more complex that that.

Personally, I would love to see Rona Ambrose (who happens to be my MP and no longer responds to my weekly complaint letters) publicly humiliated and stripped of her office. She is a vile woman who has had farked up in every Portfolio she has been given. How she continues to get elected in my riding is a mystery.
 
2012-09-28 03:01:21 PM
Well at least it wasn't a Nobel peace prize.
 
2012-09-28 03:05:28 PM
It amuses me that when we look at our country and compare it to how things are going in the US, Europe etc. we can realize that we are pretty farking lucky. The economy while not sizzling is doing pretty well. We still have healthcare, you can walk around most cities at night not fearing for your life, and a backbencher who wanted to reopen the abortion debate was soundly defeated in a free vote this week.

For a despot with a SEKRIT AGENDUH Harper sure seems to be running a piss poor dictatorship.
 
2012-09-28 03:05:51 PM
He truly is a piece of work.

I hope this abortion crap goes away, I really don't want to have to deal with it.
 
2012-09-28 03:07:58 PM

Lego_Addict: He truly is a piece of work.

I hope this abortion crap goes away, I really don't want to have to deal with it.


It's already done. The vote was yesterday and like almost every free vote ever it was soundly defeated. Hell Harpers official stance was "Not this shiat again". Even assuming he doesn't believe in abortion he's not stupid enough to ever actually act on it.
 
2012-09-28 03:28:51 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Lego_Addict: He truly is a piece of work.

I hope this abortion crap goes away, I really don't want to have to deal with it.

It's already done. The vote was yesterday and like almost every free vote ever it was soundly defeated. Hell Harpers official stance was "Not this shiat again". Even assuming he doesn't believe in abortion he's not stupid enough to ever actually act on it.


I know the vote didn't pass but I thought I read that half the conservatives voted in favor of the bill. Seems to me they we're testing the waters, without risking Harper's kitten fur socks.

Maybe I'm just a disgruntled Liberal....
 
2012-09-28 03:38:52 PM

Lego_Addict: Representative of the unwashed masses: Lego_Addict: He truly is a piece of work.

I hope this abortion crap goes away, I really don't want to have to deal with it.

It's already done. The vote was yesterday and like almost every free vote ever it was soundly defeated. Hell Harpers official stance was "Not this shiat again". Even assuming he doesn't believe in abortion he's not stupid enough to ever actually act on it.

I know the vote didn't pass but I thought I read that half the conservatives voted in favor of the bill. Seems to me they we're testing the waters, without risking Harper's kitten fur socks.

Maybe I'm just a disgruntled Liberal....


From my point of view he's smart enough to never go after things like medicare, abortion etc. Even if he would like to. He knows that the populace will vote them back to the stone age if ever actually dared to do something like that.

For me that's fine. I think overall we are better off than if the NDP (You get free money! You get free money!), or the Liberals (remember before this week Justin Trudeau said he wasn't ready for leadership? What has fundamentally changed in the last week?) were in power.

I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.
 
2012-09-28 03:48:25 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.


So not having Harper in charge would automagically turn Canada in the States or Europe? Sounds like you've set up a rather false choice there.
 
2012-09-28 03:52:59 PM

EngineerAU: Representative of the unwashed masses: I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.

So not having Harper in charge would automagically turn Canada in the States or Europe? Sounds like you've set up a rather false choice there.


Ok for example, had we elected Video Professor (RIP by the way). The amount of new spending and tax policies which would have hurt industry, would have had us going that way instead of us starting to get our budget under control after the world imploded financially around us.

Of the choices we had I simply think that the Conservatives were the best choice.
 
2012-09-28 04:09:34 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: EngineerAU: Representative of the unwashed masses: I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.

So not having Harper in charge would automagically turn Canada in the States or Europe? Sounds like you've set up a rather false choice there.

Ok for example, had we elected Video Professor (RIP by the way). The amount of new spending and tax policies which would have hurt industry, would have had us going that way instead of us starting to get our budget under control after the world imploded financially around us.

Of the choices we had I simply think that the Conservatives were the best choice.


It's not so much that the Tories are the best choice as it is that Harper is an economist. Given the situation Canada was in, our current laws and financial regulations, and future prospects, Harper understood the choices needed to maintain and improve the economy. All of the PMs for the past thirty years have been lawyers. We got lucky having an economist at the wheel when the storm struck. I don't like his social agenda with the mandatory minimal criminal sentences or the increased emphasis on expanding police powers, let alone some of the crazier shiat that has been coming out of the mouths of his ministers, but I would rather have an economist in charge of the country during an economic crisis than a lawyer.
 
2012-09-28 04:13:14 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: EngineerAU: Representative of the unwashed masses: I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.

So not having Harper in charge would automagically turn Canada in the States or Europe? Sounds like you've set up a rather false choice there.

Ok for example, had we elected Video Professor (RIP by the way). The amount of new spending and tax policies which would have hurt industry, would have had us going that way instead of us starting to get our budget under control after the world imploded financially around us.

Of the choices we had I simply think that the Conservatives were the best choice.


Since the Tories gained their majority, unemployment is largely unchanged, the stock market is down, we have record trade deficits, GDP growth is anemic at best, and the budget deficit is still enormous even though services are being cut. If they were the best choice, we're all doomed.
 
2012-09-28 04:16:07 PM

Mouldy Squid: Representative of the unwashed masses: EngineerAU: Representative of the unwashed masses: I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.

So not having Harper in charge would automagically turn Canada in the States or Europe? Sounds like you've set up a rather false choice there.

Ok for example, had we elected Video Professor (RIP by the way). The amount of new spending and tax policies which would have hurt industry, would have had us going that way instead of us starting to get our budget under control after the world imploded financially around us.

Of the choices we had I simply think that the Conservatives were the best choice.

It's not so much that the Tories are the best choice as it is that Harper is an economist. Given the situation Canada was in, our current laws and financial regulations, and future prospects, Harper understood the choices needed to maintain and improve the economy. All of the PMs for the past thirty years have been lawyers. We got lucky having an economist at the wheel when the storm struck. I don't like his social agenda with the mandatory minimal criminal sentences or the increased emphasis on expanding police powers, let alone some of the crazier shiat that has been coming out of the mouths of his ministers, but I would rather have an economist in charge of the country during an economic crisis than a lawyer.


By what measure do you believe the Tories' economic policies have been successful? Please note that failing less than certain other countries does not indicate success.
 
2012-09-28 04:19:11 PM

CorporateGoon: Mouldy Squid: Representative of the unwashed masses: EngineerAU: Representative of the unwashed masses: I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.

So not having Harper in charge would automagically turn Canada in the States or Europe? Sounds like you've set up a rather false choice there.

Ok for example, had we elected Video Professor (RIP by the way). The amount of new spending and tax policies which would have hurt industry, would have had us going that way instead of us starting to get our budget under control after the world imploded financially around us.

Of the choices we had I simply think that the Conservatives were the best choice.

It's not so much that the Tories are the best choice as it is that Harper is an economist. Given the situation Canada was in, our current laws and financial regulations, and future prospects, Harper understood the choices needed to maintain and improve the economy. All of the PMs for the past thirty years have been lawyers. We got lucky having an economist at the wheel when the storm struck. I don't like his social agenda with the mandatory minimal criminal sentences or the increased emphasis on expanding police powers, let alone some of the crazier shiat that has been coming out of the mouths of his ministers, but I would rather have an economist in charge of the country during an economic crisis than a lawyer.

By what measure do you believe the Tories' economic policies have been successful? Please note that failing less than certain other countries does not indicate success.


You realize that our economy runs on trading with other economies, and it's pretty tough to sell things to people with no money. If no one can buy what we're selling how are we supposed to make any money? And yes at this point in the world failing less is a victory in its own right.
 
2012-09-28 04:20:51 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Lego_Addict: Representative of the unwashed masses: Lego_Addict: He truly is a piece of work.

I hope this abortion crap goes away, I really don't want to have to deal with it.

It's already done. The vote was yesterday and like almost every free vote ever it was soundly defeated. Hell Harpers official stance was "Not this shiat again". Even assuming he doesn't believe in abortion he's not stupid enough to ever actually act on it.

I know the vote didn't pass but I thought I read that half the conservatives voted in favor of the bill. Seems to me they we're testing the waters, without risking Harper's kitten fur socks.

Maybe I'm just a disgruntled Liberal....

From my point of view he's smart enough to never go after things like medicare, abortion etc. Even if he would like to. He knows that the populace will vote them back to the stone age if ever actually dared to do something like that.

For me that's fine. I think overall we are better off than if the NDP (You get free money! You get free money!), or the Liberals (remember before this week Justin Trudeau said he wasn't ready for leadership? What has fundamentally changed in the last week?) were in power.

I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.


It is a knee jerk response, for sure. He's not dumb but I don't think he's a fair representation of Canada. Many leaders aren't fair representations though.

I don't think Trudeau will get the leadership, I wouldn't vote for him for party leader, not yet. My money is on Garneau to help build up the base again.The Liberal party is not going to win back opposition anytime soon, forget a minority government. Save Tudeau for when the party has a chance, when he's a little older and more experienced.
 
2012-09-28 04:22:16 PM

Mouldy Squid: Representative of the unwashed masses: EngineerAU: Representative of the unwashed masses: I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.

So not having Harper in charge would automagically turn Canada in the States or Europe? Sounds like you've set up a rather false choice there.

Ok for example, had we elected Video Professor (RIP by the way). The amount of new spending and tax policies which would have hurt industry, would have had us going that way instead of us starting to get our budget under control after the world imploded financially around us.

Of the choices we had I simply think that the Conservatives were the best choice.

It's not so much that the Tories are the best choice as it is that Harper is an economist. Given the situation Canada was in, our current laws and financial regulations, and future prospects, Harper understood the choices needed to maintain and improve the economy. All of the PMs for the past thirty years have been lawyers. We got lucky having an economist at the wheel when the storm struck. I don't like his social agenda with the mandatory minimal criminal sentences or the increased emphasis on expanding police powers, let alone some of the crazier shiat that has been coming out of the mouths of his ministers, but I would rather have an economist in charge of the country during an economic crisis than a lawyer.



Umm hey.. yeah.. the guy in charge of our economy... You know the finance minister. Jim Flaherty.. a lawyer by trade. Oh and not just any lawyer, a former ambulance chaser. Oh and he has the added pedigree of running the Budget of Ontario in to the ground and just not telling anyone.
 
2012-09-28 04:29:34 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: CorporateGoon: Mouldy Squid: Representative of the unwashed masses: EngineerAU: Representative of the unwashed masses: I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.

So not having Harper in charge would automagically turn Canada in the States or Europe? Sounds like you've set up a rather false choice there.

Ok for example, had we elected Video Professor (RIP by the way). The amount of new spending and tax policies which would have hurt industry, would have had us going that way instead of us starting to get our budget under control after the world imploded financially around us.

Of the choices we had I simply think that the Conservatives were the best choice.

It's not so much that the Tories are the best choice as it is that Harper is an economist. Given the situation Canada was in, our current laws and financial regulations, and future prospects, Harper understood the choices needed to maintain and improve the economy. All of the PMs for the past thirty years have been lawyers. We got lucky having an economist at the wheel when the storm struck. I don't like his social agenda with the mandatory minimal criminal sentences or the increased emphasis on expanding police powers, let alone some of the crazier shiat that has been coming out of the mouths of his ministers, but I would rather have an economist in charge of the country during an economic crisis than a lawyer.

By what measure do you believe the Tories' economic policies have been successful? Please note that failing less than certain other countries does not indicate success.

You realize that our economy runs on trading with other economies, and it's pretty tough to sell things to people with no money. If no one can buy what we're selling how are we supposed to make any money? And yes at this point in the world failing less is a victory in its own right.


Now you're just making excuses for your chosen party's failures. And they are failures. There are several countries doing considerably better than Canada, and all the Tories can point to is that we're not as bad off as parts of Europe. Heck, even the US is doing better than us in some categories. Saying "We don't suck as bad as the Greeks" is hardly a ringing endorsement.
 
2012-09-28 04:35:48 PM

CorporateGoon: Mouldy Squid: Representative of the unwashed masses: EngineerAU: Representative of the unwashed masses: I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.

So not having Harper in charge would automagically turn Canada in the States or Europe? Sounds like you've set up a rather false choice there.

Ok for example, had we elected Video Professor (RIP by the way). The amount of new spending and tax policies which would have hurt industry, would have had us going that way instead of us starting to get our budget under control after the world imploded financially around us.

Of the choices we had I simply think that the Conservatives were the best choice.

It's not so much that the Tories are the best choice as it is that Harper is an economist. Given the situation Canada was in, our current laws and financial regulations, and future prospects, Harper understood the choices needed to maintain and improve the economy. All of the PMs for the past thirty years have been lawyers. We got lucky having an economist at the wheel when the storm struck. I don't like his social agenda with the mandatory minimal criminal sentences or the increased emphasis on expanding police powers, let alone some of the crazier shiat that has been coming out of the mouths of his ministers, but I would rather have an economist in charge of the country during an economic crisis than a lawyer.

By what measure do you believe the Tories' economic policies have been successful? Please note that failing less than certain other countries does not indicate success.


Failing less badly than everyone else is success. Our economy took a major hit as well, despite being less severe than the US. We also recovered more quickly, mostly in part to the economic stimulus programs that the Conservative government implemented. There are also lots of other little things like the homeowners renovation tax credit which had significant impact on the retail economy (and this the manufacturing economy). Unemployment in Canada never has seen the huge swings (Link) that the Americans have and the numbers are skewed by Alberta in any case. In fact, at it's worst during the recent economic meltdown, the maximum unemployment rate was 3 to 4% lower than the maximum in 1982. Yes, certain provinces like Ontario got hit hard by unemployment, but that crisis has been heading for Ontario even before the economic meltdown. The biggest advantage that Harper's government can claim is that they kept the country and the currency stable which is attractive to foreign investment and boosts the reputation of the Canadian dollar.

Don't make the mistake of thinking things like the unemployment numbers as being the end all and be all of economic success (like many people on this site). Canada has historically has had an average of 8 or so per cent unemployment and our current unemployment rate is below that and dropping. I lived through the 1980s crash and I can tell you, there were no where near as many unemployed people this time around. It was bad, yes, but only about half as bad as it was then.
 
2012-09-28 04:35:56 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: CorporateGoon: Mouldy Squid: Representative of the unwashed masses: EngineerAU: Representative of the unwashed masses: I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.

So not having Harper in charge would automagically turn Canada in the States or Europe? Sounds like you've set up a rather false choice there.

Ok for example, had we elected Video Professor (RIP by the way). The amount of new spending and tax policies which would have hurt industry, would have had us going that way instead of us starting to get our budget under control after the world imploded financially around us.

Of the choices we had I simply think that the Conservatives were the best choice.

It's not so much that the Tories are the best choice as it is that Harper is an economist. Given the situation Canada was in, our current laws and financial regulations, and future prospects, Harper understood the choices needed to maintain and improve the economy. All of the PMs for the past thirty years have been lawyers. We got lucky having an economist at the wheel when the storm struck. I don't like his social agenda with the mandatory minimal criminal sentences or the increased emphasis on expanding police powers, let alone some of the crazier shiat that has been coming out of the mouths of his ministers, but I would rather have an economist in charge of the country during an economic crisis than a lawyer.

By what measure do you believe the Tories' economic policies have been successful? Please note that failing less than certain other countries does not indicate success.

You realize that our economy runs on trading with other economies, and it's pretty tough to sell things to people with no money. If no one can buy what we're selling how are we supposed to make any money? And yes at this point in the world failing less is a victory in its own right.


I dunno Scandinavia seems to be doing OK.
Plus our main export oil, you know the stuff they bathe in over there in Alberta is pretty inelastic. Meaning the demand for it does not exactly go down. Now manufactured good are tanking, but this shortfall can be offset some by spending on infrastructure ( stuff like roads and bridges and not sports stadiums I'm looking at you Quebec) which are needed very badly( in this province and others i'm sure.) and produce a quite a great deal of economic spin off. Or you could go the austerity route like they have in the UK, and Germany.. and coincidentally their economies are tanking. We are doing well because we got lucky in what goods we produce and that our banks were not being regulated by the inmates of the asylum that is wall st (Thank you Paul Martin) Not because we had an economist at the helm.
 
2012-09-28 04:59:48 PM

Mouldy Squid: CorporateGoon: Mouldy Squid: Representative of the unwashed masses: EngineerAU: Representative of the unwashed masses: I know it's a reflex to say that Harper = Bad on here but I'd rather have our problems than those of the Americans or most of Europe right now.

So not having Harper in charge would automagically turn Canada in the States or Europe? Sounds like you've set up a rather false choice there.

Ok for example, had we elected Video Professor (RIP by the way). The amount of new spending and tax policies which would have hurt industry, would have had us going that way instead of us starting to get our budget under control after the world imploded financially around us.

Of the choices we had I simply think that the Conservatives were the best choice.

It's not so much that the Tories are the best choice as it is that Harper is an economist. Given the situation Canada was in, our current laws and financial regulations, and future prospects, Harper understood the choices needed to maintain and improve the economy. All of the PMs for the past thirty years have been lawyers. We got lucky having an economist at the wheel when the storm struck. I don't like his social agenda with the mandatory minimal criminal sentences or the increased emphasis on expanding police powers, let alone some of the crazier shiat that has been coming out of the mouths of his ministers, but I would rather have an economist in charge of the country during an economic crisis than a lawyer.

By what measure do you believe the Tories' economic policies have been successful? Please note that failing less than certain other countries does not indicate success.

Failing less badly than everyone else is success. Our economy took a major hit as well, despite being less severe than the US. We also recovered more quickly, mostly in part to the economic stimulus programs that the Conservative government implemented. There are also lots of other little things like the homeowners renovation tax cred ...


Except they didn't fail less badly than everyone else. They haven't even failed less badly than everyone in the G7. I'm not just talking about unemployment, either. I'm talking budget deficits, trade deficits, GDP growth, and stock market performance. They've failed in all those areas as well. AND, that's just counting their time in majority, long after the recession ended.
 
2012-09-28 05:13:23 PM
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2012-09-28 05:18:24 PM

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Apologists gonna apologize, more like it. Your blind party loyalty is both sad and ill-advised.
 
2012-09-28 05:19:52 PM

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Apologists gonna apologize, more like it. Your blind party loyalty is both sad and ill-advised.


I'd be willing to vote for one of the other parties... If I thought their promises in the last election were reasonable.
 
2012-09-28 05:29:14 PM

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Apologists gonna apologize, more like it. Your blind party loyalty is both sad and ill-advised.

I'd be willing to vote for one of the other parties... If I thought their promises in the last election were reasonable.


So, you support a party that sucks because you think other parties suck more. You realize that still means you support a party that sucks, right? The Liberals, NDP, Greens, etc. being bad does not make the Tories good.
 
2012-09-28 05:37:06 PM

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Apologists gonna apologize, more like it. Your blind party loyalty is both sad and ill-advised.

I'd be willing to vote for one of the other parties... If I thought their promises in the last election were reasonable.

So, you support a party that sucks because you think other parties suck more. You realize that still means you support a party that sucks, right? The Liberals, NDP, Greens, etc. being bad does not make the Tories good.


So you'd rather I voted for a party that in my opinion sucks more? Isn't that like saying, "This vodka tastes pretty bad, instead I'll drink this vat of sulphuric acid instead."?

In politics I'll take the side I see as less bad 7 days a week. Were I an American I'd vote Obama, because I think he's a less bad option as compared to Rmoney.
 
2012-09-28 05:46:16 PM

CorporateGoon:

Except they didn't fail less badly than everyone else. They haven't even failed less badly than everyone in the G7. I'm not just talking about unemployment, either. I'm talking budget deficits, trade deficits, GDP growth, and stock market performance. They've failed in all those areas as well. AND, that's just counting their time in majority, long after the recession ended.


And none of those indicators are accurate measurements of economic success. The latest economic crisis is just about bad loans and magical derivatives. It is about the end of the traditional system of economics. The system we have had for the last 50 years is failing. We are seeing the results of that system's breakdown. GDP growth is going to remain flat or very low. Increasing growth can no longer be sustained. Stock markets have not only lost the confidence of the public, they have reached their maximal utility. The West is moving from growth economies to sustaining economies.

Canada has always had a trade deficit. How is that any more important now than any time before?

Governments are not businesses. They are supposed to run deficits, particularly in recessions. How is the budget deficit any more important now than it was in the 1990s or the mid 2000s when "times were good" and the Liberals were in power?

The recession isn't over. It probably will never be over, at least for the Western economies. We've reached the point of maximum growth. If there is any growth in things like GDP it will be low and steady, not large and jumping.

The things you need to look at are consumer spending, consumer confidence and retail growth. In all of those areas, the economy is improving very well. The flux of currency is what is the truest indicator of economic success. For that you need a robust middle class that is willing to spend money. Canada has that, in part thanks to the economic policies of the current conservative government. It's not all the owing to the Tories, but a good part of it is.

The very fact that our "numbers" are equal to the average for the past 40 years tells us one thing: Canada is not failing. Even by the metrics you are using, Canada is at or near (and in some cases doing better than) historical averages.

Considering that our greatest trading partner is the US, the very fact that they didn't suck us down the toilet with them means that Canada's economy is doing fine and we have the Tories (and some legislation the Liberals passed way way back). Harper's economic policies stimulated consumer spending by investing money into infrastructure projects and funding small business ventures that employed people that would have otherwise been unemployed. Would a Liberal government done the same? Probably, but they weren't in power so there is no way to know is there?

You seem to be labouring under the assumption that Canada is supposed to be some economic powerhouse to rival Britain or Germany. We have never, even at our peak performance, come close. Why should we be now? Could you state clearly what you expect the economy to be like?
 
2012-09-28 05:50:35 PM

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Apologists gonna apologize, more like it. Your blind party loyalty is both sad and ill-advised.

I'd be willing to vote for one of the other parties... If I thought their promises in the last election were reasonable.

So, you support a party that sucks because you think other parties suck more. You realize that still means you support a party that sucks, right? The Liberals, NDP, Greens, etc. being bad does not make the Tories good.

So you'd rather I voted for a party that in my opinion sucks more? Isn't that like saying, "This vodka tastes pretty bad, instead I'll drink this vat of sulphuric acid instead."?

In politics I'll take the side I see as less bad 7 days a week. Were I an American I'd vote Obama, because I think he's a less bad option as compared to Rmoney.


You didn't just vote for them; you're defending their poor performance. If you feel the need to vote for a major party candidate, I think everyone would be fine with you choosing one from a party you think would do the best. Afterwards you're under no obligation to support them at all, yet you continue to do so. My best guess is that you're attempting to justify their failures because you feel that, as someone who voted for them, you're partially responsible for those failures. You're not. The Tories' failures belong to the Tories.
 
2012-09-28 06:25:09 PM

Mouldy Squid: CorporateGoon:

Except they didn't fail less badly than everyone else. They haven't even failed less badly than everyone in the G7. I'm not just talking about unemployment, either. I'm talking budget deficits, trade deficits, GDP growth, and stock market performance. They've failed in all those areas as well. AND, that's just counting their time in majority, long after the recession ended.

And none of those indicators are accurate measurements of economic success. The latest economic crisis is just about bad loans and magical derivatives. It is about the end of the traditional system of economics. The system we have had for the last 50 years is failing. We are seeing the results of that system's breakdown. GDP growth is going to remain flat or very low. Increasing growth can no longer be sustained. Stock markets have not only lost the confidence of the public, they have reached their maximal utility. The West is moving from growth economies to sustaining economies.

Canada has always had a trade deficit. How is that any more important now than any time before?

Governments are not businesses. They are supposed to run deficits, particularly in recessions. How is the budget deficit any more important now than it was in the 1990s or the mid 2000s when "times were good" and the Liberals were in power?

The recession isn't over. It probably will never be over, at least for the Western economies. We've reached the point of maximum growth. If there is any growth in things like GDP it will be low and steady, not large and jumping.

The things you need to look at are consumer spending, consumer confidence and retail growth. In all of those areas, the economy is improving very well. The flux of currency is what is the truest indicator of economic success. For that you need a robust middle class that is willing to spend money. Canada has that, in part thanks to the economic policies of the current conservative government. It's not all the owing to the Tories, but a good part ...


This is so full of wrong information that I don't know where to begin.

1) Canada has not always had a trade deficit. Prior to 2008, Canada hadn't had a monthly trade deficit since the 1970s.

2) The budget deficit is more important now since the Tories cut taxes to get us here. It was economically imprudent to do so, and has not resulted in the job growth they claimed it would. Flaherty was begging businesses to hire people just a few days ago since it turned out his corporate tax cuts did not spur any kind of hiring spree.

3) The recession is long over in Canada. By the strict "two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth" definition it was over by 2010, and even by less strict definitions it's been over since early 2011.

4) Retail sales growth has been below average on a year-over-year basis during the Tory majority. Consumer confidence has fallen during the Tory majority. Consumer spending is up during the majority, but has been growing at below average rates.

5) Our "numbers" are not equal to the averages for the past few decades. If you choose a particular date range you might massage them look that way. But, over 25 and 50 years, we're below average, and that's just since the Tory majority in 2011.

6) The fact that the US is doing poorly does not mean that the Canadian economy is doing well.

I made no mention of our international economic clout. I merely stated that Tory policies have been failures, which is true. For me to consider the Tory policies successful, they'd have to be doing well. They're not.
 
2012-09-29 01:38:49 AM

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//hope someone in the pm's office see's it! :D
///hopefully justin trudeau will end dictator harper's reign

I remember watching Justin Trudeau deliver a eulogy at his father's funeral. He talked about what a great father Pierre was, to Justin and his brothers. He did all these awesome things, with Justin and his brothers. He was always there, for Justin and his brothers.

All the while, Justin's little half-sister, who was about eight years old, was sitting there in the front row. Not once did Justin acknowledge her, or mention that Pierre was also an awesome father to that little girl, who was sitting there looking numb with grief. And I thought to myself, "What sort of grown man goes out of his way to ignore a heartbroken little girl?" and the answer was, "A turd bucket."

My grown daughters have a young half-sister, the daughter of their father and his second wife. And if I ever thought for a second that they would treat her so badly, I would kick their respective arses from here to the middle of next week. Fortunately, they think she's a swell kid.

I wouldn't vote for Justin Trudeau if he were the only candidate on the ballot.

/despise Harper, too.

That's sad. What a jerk, then.

Well, I vote NDP, anway, but I don't seem them winning, unfortunately. I'm not saying that will prevent me from voting NDP. I'm just being realistic.

Also NDP. *high five*

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Aww, shucks. Thanks. :-)
 
2012-09-29 10:52:39 AM
1) Canada has not always had a trade deficit. Prior to 2008, Canada hadn't had a monthly trade deficit since the 1970s.

Whoops, you're right. I get trade deficit and trade surpluses switched around. Yes, we are importing more than we export right now. It's almost as if our trading partners can't buy our exports for some reason. I wonder why that is? It's almost as if there is some kind of economic crisis happening.

2) The budget deficit is more important now since the Tories cut taxes to get us here. It was economically imprudent to do so, and has not resulted in the job growth they claimed it would. Flaherty was begging businesses to hire people just a few days ago since it turned out his corporate tax cuts did not spur any kind of hiring spree.

Yep, cutting taxes in a recession is bad, if anything taxes should be raised in a recession, but government debt vs GDP is lower than the historical average ( quite a bit lower in fact) and government spending has peaked and is on the way down. But you still haven't answered why deficits are more important now than they were under the Liberals.

The stimulus packages weren't intended to spur new hiring, they were intended to keep those who were already employed on the job. Without the investment that the stimuli made, unemployment would have been much higher. But that doesn't matter since unemployment has been dropping for the past two years and is currently under the historical average.

3) The recession is long over in Canada. By the strict "two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth" definition it was over by 2010, and even by less strict definitions it's been over since early 2011.

But the unlimited growth you think we should have hasn't returned, has it? So what do you want to call it then? I'd call that a recession or at least stagnation. Just like what almost all the other Western countries are going through. That might explain why foreign countries aren't buying our exports.

4) Retail sales growth has been below average on a year-over-year basis during the Tory majority. Consumer confidence has fallen during the Tory majority. Consumer spending is up during the majority, but has been growing at below average rates.

We've had a Tory majority for less than three years. Not a whole lot of points on that graph is there? Besides, it doesn't matter since it's still up from what it was before the crash and higher that the historical average. And consumer confidence was higher for a whole year of the Tory majority before it dropped.

5) Our "numbers" are not equal to the averages for the past few decades. If you choose a particular date range you might massage them look that way. But, over 25 and 50 years, we're below average, and that's just since the Tory majority in 2011.

The information found here would disagree with you. And that has nothing to do with "massaging the data", it has to do with historical averages.


6) The fact that the US is doing poorly does not mean that the Canadian economy is doing well.

You're right, but it isn't proof we're doing poorly either.

I made no mention of our international economic clout. I merely stated that Tory policies have been failures, which is true. For me to consider the Tory policies successful, they'd have to be doing well. They're not.

So what? You haven't proved that the policies have been failures, only that they don't meet your expectations. If they were failures things would be much much worse than they are. The very fact that our largest trading partner didn't take us down to their level, like they did in the 30s is pretty good evidence that the Tories are doing at least a halfway good job.
 
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