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2012-09-28 02:41:39 AM
well, what the hell was he doing on that side of the hill with no cover? who is teaching these guys? and he yells out "ow!' when he gets shot? that was kinda funny. still, he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
 
2012-09-28 02:54:33 AM
Fake?
 
2012-09-28 03:10:36 AM

sithon: Fake?


maybe. i bet i would be alot more upset if i took a 7.65 round. alot.
 
2012-09-28 07:21:38 AM
Farking spawn campers.
 
2012-09-28 10:49:37 AM
I doubt it was fake, you can see that bullets are hitting the ground all around him. That would be really dangerous because of all that rock you could easily have a richoette, that's probably what hit the dude or rock fragments. It did seem like he was running down a hill with no cover though which was pretty nuts.
 
2012-09-28 10:49:56 AM
Yeah, it's the language in this video that's the problem - not the content.
 
2012-09-28 11:01:52 AM
I don't want to second guess what happened here based soley on the video, so I won't.

But it does make me think of what one of my coworkes, a noted arm chair general, FPS expert and non-veteran often says.

The problem with Obama and attack in Libya was that we have not been using enough "SHOCK AND AWE".

I'm sure if Obama had authorized the use of more shock and awe, that this soldier would not have been in harm's way.

Shock and awe.
 
2012-09-28 11:13:23 AM
Was this guy on point? The lack of cover is insane. I really don't understand what is going on here. Does he even know what he is shooting at? It seems to me that M4 is pretty useless if that sniper is across the valley, Where is the suppression fire?
 
2012-09-28 11:15:10 AM
I think it's fake, if its real, I hope the injured soldier is fine.

I'm no navy seal, nor have I served in the military, but why would someone stroll down a hillside in the open?
Some other oddities:
No radio chatter
No calling out of specific names.
The rifle looks brand new
 
2012-09-28 11:19:57 AM

some_beer_drinker: well, what the hell was he doing on that side of the hill with no cover? who is teaching these guys? and he yells out "ow!' when he gets shot? that was kinda funny. still, he shouldn't have been there in the first place.


All of this. Who the fark keeps walking where there is no cover with shots landing at his feet. Get down to that building ASAP or back up and get behind the ridge. Where the hell was he going, he was just traversing the open side of the hill.


/I like the part where he said "I'm hit!"
 
2012-09-28 11:20:15 AM
Ill tell ya, if this is real, that guy needs to be busted back to boot camp...
/// Hope he is ok.
 
2012-09-28 11:46:05 AM

some_beer_drinker: well, what the hell was he doing on that side of the hill with no cover? who is teaching these guys? and he yells out "ow!' when he gets shot? that was kinda funny. still, he shouldn't have been there in the first place.


justanothersumguy: Was this guy on point? The lack of cover is insane. I really don't understand what is going on here. Does he even know what he is shooting at? It seems to me that M4 is pretty useless if that sniper is across the valley, Where is the suppression fire?


jst3p: some_beer_drinker: well, what the hell was he doing on that side of the hill with no cover? who is teaching these guys? and he yells out "ow!' when he gets shot? that was kinda funny. still, he shouldn't have been there in the first place.

All of this. Who the fark keeps walking where there is no cover with shots landing at his feet. Get down to that building ASAP or back up and get behind the ridge. Where the hell was he going, he was just traversing the open side of the hill.


FTA: "I came out into the open to draw fire so my squad could get to safety."

Not saying it's smart, but that's why he was out in the open.
 
2012-09-28 11:48:44 AM

some_beer_drinker: well, what the hell was he doing on that side of the hill with no cover? who is teaching these guys? and he yells out "ow!' when he gets shot? that was kinda funny. still, he shouldn't have been there in the first place.


I'm baffled, too. I was a desk jockey in the Marines... but we did train for combat, and this guy seems to be breaking every rule we were taught. He's walking in the open, slowly, firing seemingly from the hip into the air? WTF?

Find some cover, failing that, get flat, then find the assholes firing at you and return well-aimed fire. Jeez... you've got an M-4 with a scope, fercrissakes. I was 3rd award Expert on the rifle range, when we used M16A2s with no scopes.

It also helps to remember that something like 250,000 rounds of ammunition are expended for every shot that actually finds its target. Finding cover, or at least going flat increases those odds, walking around firing at nothing in the open DECREASES those odds exponentially, since you make yourself a prime target (hint: they'll fire at you because you are firing at them, even if it's not aimed anywhere near them).
 
2012-09-28 11:52:11 AM

Teufelaffe: FTA: "I came out into the open to draw fire so my squad could get to safety."

Not saying it's smart, but that's why he was out in the open.


Not a very good tactic. He'd have better served his squad by laying well-aimed suppressing fire from cover.

I have to wonder WTF he was taught in Infantry School. I realize they don't require GIs to have the highest ASVAB scores, but they do drill basic tactics into your head.
 
2012-09-28 12:07:41 PM
he seemed to be fine before he moved down slope closer to the enemy

i guess he and his squad didn't have smoke grenades

clearly he was well targeted and it was like he was trying to earn a bolo badge (purple heart)

not particularly good at using cover and concealment
 
2012-09-28 12:08:09 PM
They need a sniper.
 
2012-09-28 12:35:50 PM
Perk Unlocked!
 
2012-09-28 12:42:10 PM
Wheres the dude with the .50 Cal to put a couple shells downrange?
 
2012-09-28 12:45:49 PM
Yeah, take your time reloading in the open while bullets are whizzing past you. Having a tough time securing that empty mag? Putting your rifle down will free up that extra hand so you can properly secure it, those things aren't cheap. Oh, and good job choosing some cover before you make your way down the hill.
 
2012-09-28 01:13:11 PM
Scream out fake IMO, but I'd be shiatting bricks and probably not thinking clearly in a situation like that either. No radio chatter and nothing coming from the guys he's trying to protect seems wider.
 
2012-09-28 01:20:31 PM
1. I'd probably have a difficult time walking down that hill without people firing at me.
2. If I was point and someone was firing at me, I'd probably tell "shiat! Those are real bullets, and run."

3. Is it 2012 and our technology for notifying others in our squad we've been hit really to yell repeatedly "I've been hit?" -- I clearly don't know, and can see it's use, but I'd think that was somewhat unreliable, though inexpensive, but maybe there was some better more techy/gpsy I'm-hit-device.

4. I've never even played an FPS much less participated in a battle.
 
2012-09-28 01:47:13 PM

LesserEvil: Teufelaffe: FTA: "I came out into the open to draw fire so my squad could get to safety."

Not saying it's smart, but that's why he was out in the open.

Not a very good tactic. He'd have better served his squad by laying well-aimed suppressing fire from cover.

I have to wonder WTF he was taught in Infantry School. I realize they don't require GIs to have the highest ASVAB scores, but they do drill basic tactics into your head.


part of the reason they pulled out a lot of the army in Iraq and had the marines do patrols instead
 
2012-09-28 01:55:45 PM
Man, if all you guys were in Afghanistan, we'd have this thing wrapped up by now. Great tips from all of you!
 
2012-09-28 02:10:40 PM

NashMcNash: Man, if all you guys were in Afghanistan, we'd have this thing wrapped up by now. Great tips from all of you!


It's not even an armchair general thing to say that maybe you shouldn't fire wildly into the air and descend uncovered down a rocky slope into automatic weapons fire.
 
2012-09-28 02:24:44 PM
The other problem with this dumbass is that he was so far away from his battle buddy that they couldn't even hear him when he was calling for help...that and strolling down the hill in open terrain. WTF!!!

Basic elements of fire and maneuver + shoot, move and communicate were not even seen. This is the kind of video that needs to be shown at Benning.

/Three combat tours

//Glad he came out of it okay...
 
2012-09-28 02:47:15 PM

CPT Ethanolic: Farking spawn campers.


GAWD that brings back memories....
 
2012-09-28 03:38:26 PM

Frothy Panties: The other problem with this dumbass is that he was so far away from his battle buddy that they couldn't even hear him when he was calling for help...that and strolling down the hill in open terrain. WTF!!!

Basic elements of fire and maneuver + shoot, move and communicate were not even seen. This is the kind of video that needs to be shown at Benning.

/Three combat tours

//Glad he came out of it okay...


Mag change took way too long. Send em back to blue phase at the very least.
 
2012-09-28 03:43:27 PM
Was he hit?
 
2012-09-28 03:55:48 PM

chrisco123: Was he hit?


Hard to tell. Might have to watch it again to be sure.
 
2012-09-28 04:30:55 PM
Was this a 'every mistake in the book in less than 2 min' training video?????

Take the low ground with no cover or even a bit of concealment NOW ! ??????

Points for balls in moving toward the enemy but seriously.....

And calling for help in a totally exposed position is just begging for additional casualties.....

Major points for those who were smart/trained enough to not join him......
 
2012-09-28 04:44:41 PM
Fake or real, not something I needed to see having just found out my son landed in the Stan just days ago....

Fark, remind me to kick his Arse when he gets back since I had to find out from a friend who saw a post of his on facebook.....
 
2012-09-28 04:59:22 PM
My guess is he's a fobbit that finally got to go on a patrol and was putting all his well honed Call of Duty skills into action, The Taliban, having not ever played CoD, was effectively taking his cherry arse to school. Reality is a bich.
 
2012-09-28 05:03:03 PM
That rock isn't nearly big enough.
 
2012-09-28 06:12:51 PM
"It's just a flesh wound!"
 
2012-09-28 07:33:37 PM
For those of you too young to remember, footage like this was on the news every night from Viet Nam, in the '60s and '70s. I got to sit through two years of wondering when I'd see my dad get shot on TV. Oh yeah, that's partly why we aren't still fighting there.
 
2012-09-28 07:55:49 PM
I think he may have been hit.
 
2012-09-28 08:42:50 PM
img.gamespot.com

Next time take the jeep down the mountain
 
2012-09-28 10:51:30 PM
Did they add the comments under the vid after it got posted here or are farkers just THAT oblivious?

Yes, he was point. He went in the open to draw fire so his squad could get to safety.

I got a hit a total of 4 times. My helmet cam died and i made it down the mountain on my own. I was also hit in the side of my helmet and my eye pro was shot off of my face. We were doing overwatch on the village to recon and gather intel. I was point heading down the face of the hill with the LT. when we got hit. the rest of the squad was pinned down by machine gun fire. I didn't start the video until a few mins into the firefight for obvious reasons. I came out into the open to draw fire so my squad could get to safety. A round struck the tube by my hand of the 203 grenade launcher which knocked it out of my hands. When I picked the rifle back up it was still functional but the grenade launcher tube had a nice sized 7.62 cal bullet hole in it and was rendered useless.
 
2012-09-29 12:07:03 AM

haterade: i guess he and his squad didn't have smoke grenades


The whole time I kept thinking, "Toss a grenade, ya damn fool!"

/This is why I'm not in the military...
//Grenade whore.
///It's a legitimate strategy!
 
2012-09-29 02:29:52 AM

aspAddict: haterade: i guess he and his squad didn't have smoke grenades

The whole time I kept thinking, "Toss a grenade, ya damn fool!"

/This is why I'm not in the military...
//Grenade whore.
///It's a legitimate strategy!


You'd need to be Napoleon Dynamite's uncle to lob a grenade that far.
 
2012-09-29 05:26:51 AM

Feral_and_Preposterous: You'd need to be Napoleon Dynamite's uncle to lob a grenade that far.


Well, he had a grenade launcher, before it got shot, knocking his rifle out of his hands:

KidneyStone: I got a hit a total of 4 times. My helmet cam died and i made it down the mountain on my own. I was also hit in the side of my helmet and my eye pro was shot off of my face. We were doing overwatch on the village to recon and gather intel. I was point heading down the face of the hill with the LT. when we got hit. the rest of the squad was pinned down by machine gun fire. I didn't start the video until a few mins into the firefight for obvious reasons. I came out into the open to draw fire so my squad could get to safety. A round struck the tube by my hand of the 203 grenade launcher which knocked it out of my hands. When I picked the rifle back up it was still functional but the grenade launcher tube had a nice sized 7.62 cal bullet hole in it and was rendered useless.


Of course, he couldn't be bothered to actually make USE of the grenade launcher before jumping out into the open and firing uselessly into the air.

"I came out into the open to draw fire" is not a legitimate tactic.

Staying under cover and laying suppressing fire is. Suppressing fire means well aimed fire at the direction of the enemy who is shooting at you.

With a grenade launcher, he could have shot a couple of 40mm grenades in the direction of the enemy, which certainly would have given them a bit of a pause. Also, as others have said, why weren't smoke grenades deployed to obscure their movements? Hell, as I said, I was a desk jockey, but I have used smoke grenades in exercises during Combat Skills School at Camp Lejeune. This isn't rocket science... and the tactics have been employed in one form or another for thousands of years.

I realize this is an Army squad... they don't have an automatic weapon (M-249 SAW) team? It's a great weapon for providing fairly accurate suppressing fire.

At any rate, making yourself a target is not a valid tactic. Everybody in a squad has a purpose and the incident in the video was a basic situation that they would have drilled proper tactics on.

I'm glad the guy was not permanently injured, but he was a dumbass on several levels.
 
2012-09-29 11:52:13 AM
This has to be a "don't do ANY of this shiat in actual combat" type of video.
 
2012-09-29 12:46:12 PM

KidneyStone: Yes, he was point. He went in the open to draw fire so his squad could get to safety.


Mission accomplished. He was taking a LOT of fire.
 
2012-09-29 04:00:54 PM
This happens to me in BF3 when I run down the front face of a hill shooting at the enemy, except I usually die.
 
2012-09-29 04:05:57 PM
Well, I for one fell freer already. Thanks, guy.
 
2012-09-29 07:54:13 PM
I'm going with fake

or

panicked and forgot any kind of training he ever got.

What he writes makes it seem like he is decribing a heroic act. Only trouble is most hero's don't do that, others do it for them. Least not till they write a book...lol
 
2012-09-30 07:16:46 PM
His unit patch is 4th ID. I've heard some terrible things about the preparedness of that unit. Yes, it's a generalization, but this doesn't really help the impression.
 
2012-09-30 09:06:58 PM
The YouTube link renders on a phone and yields this:

More Afghanistan documentary footage at http://Funker530.Prochan.com
 
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