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2012-09-28 10:41:48 AM
Another fine graduate of the retard factory known as "Dickson Law School". You have admire his balls however. The Supreme Court tells him to do his job and allow an injunction and he says "Okay, I'll allow an injunction on this one issue about provisional ballots since most people don't know what a provisional ballot is."
 
2012-09-28 12:17:12 PM
Does anyone have the link where one of the law makers in favor of this comes flat out and says they're doing this to disinfranchise Democratic voters?

This isn't, "Hey, we should start to implement this slowly so in a few years its required."

It's: "Hurry up let's get this in so lots of Obama supporters can't vote!"
 
2012-09-28 12:20:30 PM

organizmx: Does anyone have the link where one of the law makers in favor of this comes flat out and says they're doing this to disinfranchise Democratic voters?

This isn't, "Hey, we should start to implement this slowly so in a few years its required."

It's: "Hurry up let's get this in so lots of Obama supporters can't vote!"


"Done"
 
2012-09-28 12:21:36 PM
The GOP is the greatest threat America has ever faced. They stand for everything America isn't supposed to be about.

Die you farks.
 
2012-09-28 12:22:54 PM
Actually, this is a great argument for why the VRA should apply nationwide and not just in the Derp South.
 
2012-09-28 12:28:28 PM
What's scary is some of these laws let people "challenge" the people voting for them and the persons ballot might be thrown out later without them knowing.

A person can sit at a poll and write down the name of all Black and Hispanic people and "challenge" their votes later and get most of them thrown out.
 
2012-09-28 12:29:18 PM
That seismic reading coming out of Gettysburg is a lot of Union soldiers rolling over in their graves.
 
2012-09-28 12:30:05 PM

Snapper Carr: organizmx: Does anyone have the link where one of the law makers in favor of this comes flat out and says they're doing this to disinfranchise Democratic voters?

This isn't, "Hey, we should start to implement this slowly so in a few years its required."

It's: "Hurry up let's get this in so lots of Obama supporters can't vote!"

"Done"


How in the hell is this guy not made to resign because of this. It's amazing how the GOP is so politicized now that they can just say they are trying to rig elections and it's fine.
 
2012-09-28 12:31:18 PM
Get an ID you lazy bums.
 
2012-09-28 12:31:38 PM
Funny how you need an ID for everything but voting. It's almost as though there's a reason why somebody wants it that way.

The question is, who?
 
2012-09-28 12:32:55 PM

cabbyman: Get an ID you lazy bums.


No. My right to vote is not tied to any requirement other than being a non-felon citizen of one of the United States. If you don't like that, get Congress and 38 state legislatures to agree.
 
2012-09-28 12:33:59 PM

Corvus: Snapper Carr: organizmx: Does anyone have the link where one of the law makers in favor of this comes flat out and says they're doing this to disinfranchise Democratic voters?

This isn't, "Hey, we should start to implement this slowly so in a few years its required."

It's: "Hurry up let's get this in so lots of Obama supporters can't vote!"

"Done"

How in the hell is this guy not made to resign because of this. It's amazing how the GOP is so politicized now that they can just say they are trying to rig elections and it's fine. also complain about voter fraud.


It's not fine. I know plenty of lifelong Goppers who are just growing increasingly frustrated with a party that is becoming so obviously bankrupt. The problem is, who's gonna make him resign?
 
2012-09-28 12:34:37 PM
it's sick that voter fraud will not be allowed.

freakin sick.
 
2012-09-28 12:35:28 PM

colon_pow: it's sick that voter fraud will not be allowed.

freakin sick.


It's only fraud when it benefits the other guys.
 
2012-09-28 12:36:37 PM
We have to show ID to vote in Missouri. It's no big deal. By law we are required to have identification anyway.
 
2012-09-28 12:37:13 PM
The burden of proof is on the state to prove I'm not eligible. Otherwise, innocent until proven guilty
 
2012-09-28 12:39:26 PM
Just disgusting.
 
2012-09-28 12:40:08 PM
Who doesn't have an ID?
 
2012-09-28 12:41:27 PM
What in the hell? The instructions from the Supreme Court were explicit, (although they should have just done what the dissenters wanted to do and strike the thing at the highest level of the Court). Now there's going to be another appeal because this "judge" is retarded and/or Republican.
 
2012-09-28 12:44:10 PM

Mija: We have to show ID to vote in Missouri. It's no big deal. By law we are required to have identification anyway.


If it is not available at no cost, it is a poll tax.

Any way you want to slice it, having to pay for something in order to vote = poll tax.

So I'm fine with having to show ID in order to vote. However, such ID must be freely available, should be available within a reasonable distance (meaning it should be near public transportation stops and there should be at least one facility per county), and facilities offering them should be open during normal business hours. In addition, EVERYONE must be made to show ID. Nobody gets exempted.

So, if you want your voter ID laws? Make sure they're not biased on who gets them and who doesn't. And make sure you have the budget to have all those offices open and staffed. And make sure you pass such a law so that voters have time between elections to get their IDs.

This law was loudly proclaimed as being made to get Republicans a win, not to prevent voter fraud, but instead to rig the election. Endorsing it is despicable (which I'm not saying you individually are).
 
2012-09-28 12:45:44 PM
A wide majority of Pennsylvania voters support state efforts to require photo identification to vote, the latest Quinnipiac University/New York Times/CBS News poll finds. 

Wide majority support ≠ controversial
 
2012-09-28 12:46:04 PM

Dr Dreidel: cabbyman: Get an ID you lazy bums.

No. My right to vote is not tied to any requirement other than being a non-felon citizen of one of the United States. If you don't like that, get Congress and 38 state legislatures to agree.


Does that work for other constitutionally guaranteed rights as well? For example, my right to own a firearm is not tied to any requirement other than being a non-felon citizen of one of the United States. If you don't like that, get congress and 38 state legislatures to agree.

If we decide that we can place "reasonable restrictions" on rights such as owning a firearm then we've opened the door for reasonable restrictions on other constitutionally guaranteed rights as well.
 
2012-09-28 12:46:07 PM

colon_pow: it's sick that voter fraud will not be allowed.

freakin sick.


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/rnc_cuts_off_strate g ic_allied_consulting.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

It's okay if you are a Republican . . .
 
2012-09-28 12:48:40 PM
Not that it matters to the argument, but I saw this on the TV the other day and didnt realize it.

Link

The Mason-Dixon line originally had nothing to do with North/South divisions. The line was established to end a boundary dispute between the British colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania/Delaware.
 
2012-09-28 12:49:12 PM

Farkin A: Who doesn't have an ID?


7 out of 8 of The Internet Dentist's alts.
 
2012-09-28 12:49:26 PM

cabbyman: Get an ID you lazy bums.


Fark you. As a Libertarian icon once said:
" "When a place gets crowded enough to require ID's, social collapse is not far away. It is time to go elsewhere."
 
2012-09-28 12:50:11 PM

meat0918: colon_pow: it's sick that voter fraud will not be allowed.



Its sick that the real voter fraud is being caused by GOP operatives. Thaddeus Loser in Michigan. The one in Florida that was worse than anything Acorn. And these discriminating laws. But only extremely few problems with voters. The one dead voter they finally found .... died in the interim between absentee voting and the election.

And 1 more thing. The story about dead voting in Chicago. That never happened. That's just Nixon being a sore loser in 1960 in the lie stayed. If you believe that story you'll also believe that Paul Ryan ran a marathon in 2 hours and 50 minutes.
 
2012-09-28 12:51:42 PM
Demanding 100% compliance from millions of people. Perfectly reasonable justification for voter IDs
 
2012-09-28 12:51:56 PM

cabbyman: Get an ID you lazy bums.


My right to vote is protected by the Constiution. It is inherint and not dependent on having an ID or not.
 
2012-09-28 12:52:57 PM

BeesNuts: Corvus: Snapper Carr: organizmx: Does anyone have the link where one of the law makers in favor of this comes flat out and says they're doing this to disinfranchise Democratic voters?

This isn't, "Hey, we should start to implement this slowly so in a few years its required."

It's: "Hurry up let's get this in so lots of Obama supporters can't vote!"

"Done"

How in the hell is this guy not made to resign because of this. It's amazing how the GOP is so politicized now that they can just say they are trying to rig elections and it's fine. also complain about voter fraud.

It's not fine. I know plenty of lifelong Goppers who are just growing increasingly frustrated with a party that is becoming so obviously bankrupt. The problem is, who's gonna make him resign?


Republicans should be. They should be saying this is not right even it helps them politically. They should be saying he has gone to far and demand him to step down.
 
2012-09-28 12:54:02 PM

colon_pow: it's sick that voter fraud will not be allowed.

freakin sick.


There were about half a dozen known cases of voter fraud in PA before this law was passed. This law was not passed to stop voter fraud. It was passed--earlier this year--in an attempt to prevent Barack Obama from winning Pennsylvania again.

The courts are being very cute about the law. The PA Supreme Court has already remanded one challenge to the law back to the Commonwealth Court. I fully expect the courts to send this case back and forth to each other until after election day, when the whole affair will effectively become moot. That way, none of the courts will have the odium of actually having to declare the law valid.
 
2012-09-28 12:55:26 PM

dinomyar: Not that it matters to the argument, but I saw this on the TV the other day and didnt realize it.

Link

The Mason-Dixon line originally had nothing to do with North/South divisions. The line was established to end a boundary dispute between the British colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania/Delaware.


Stupid Southerners. Carving out a line way up north and east. No wonder they ended up starting a war later.
 
2012-09-28 12:56:02 PM

tirob: colon_pow: it's sick that voter fraud will not be allowed.

freakin sick.

There were about half a dozen known cases of voter fraud in PA before this law was passed. This law was not passed to stop voter fraud. It was passed--earlier this year--in an attempt to prevent Barack Obama from winning Pennsylvania again.

The courts are being very cute about the law. The PA Supreme Court has already remanded one challenge to the law back to the Commonwealth Court. I fully expect the courts to send this case back and forth to each other until after election day, when the whole affair will effectively become moot. That way, none of the courts will have the odium of actually having to declare the law valid.


So question on this - if the Commonwealth puts up an injunction on the provisional ballot portion, and that gets an appeal to the Supreme prior to November, unless the Supreme puts their own injunction down, that would mean the main portion of the voter ID laws goes in, right? Meaning they essentially kicked the can enough to disenfranchise voters while being able to point the blame at the other?
 
2012-09-28 01:01:41 PM

Warlordtrooper: cabbyman: Get an ID you lazy bums.

My right to vote is protected by the Constiution. It is inherint and not dependent on having an ID or not.


As I noted above, we have been placing restrictions on constitutionally guaranteed rights for a while now. If we can require an ID before someone is allowed to exercise one constitutionally guaranteed right then the door is open for a similar restriction here.
 
2012-09-28 01:02:08 PM

runin800m: Dr Dreidel: cabbyman: Get an ID you lazy bums.

No. My right to vote is not tied to any requirement other than being a non-felon citizen of one of the United States. If you don't like that, get Congress and 38 state legislatures to agree.

Does that work for other constitutionally guaranteed rights as well? For example, my right to own a firearm is not tied to any requirement other than being a non-felon citizen of one of the United States. If you don't like that, get congress and 38 state legislatures to agree.

If we decide that we can place "reasonable restrictions" on rights such as owning a firearm then we've opened the door for reasonable restrictions on other constitutionally guaranteed rights as well.


I agree whole heartedly with you. In that I'm Still butthurt I can't buy babykilling cop seeking asawult klips for my GLAWK booleets.
 
2012-09-28 01:09:09 PM

runin800m: As I noted above, we have been placing restrictions on constitutionally guaranteed rights for a while now. If we can require an ID before someone is allowed to exercise one constitutionally guaranteed right then the door is open for a similar restriction here.


However, those other constitutionally guaranteed rights are not constitutionally guaranteed to come without a tax. Voting is. That's the root of it.
 
2012-09-28 01:10:17 PM

runin800m: Dr Dreidel: cabbyman: Get an ID you lazy bums.

No. My right to vote is not tied to any requirement other than being a non-felon citizen of one of the United States. If you don't like that, get Congress and 38 state legislatures to agree.

Does that work for other constitutionally guaranteed rights as well? For example, my right to own a firearm is not tied to any requirement other than being a non-felon citizen of one of the United States. If you don't like that, get congress and 38 state legislatures to agree.

If we decide that we can place "reasonable restrictions" on rights such as owning a firearm then we've opened the door for reasonable restrictions on other constitutionally guaranteed rights as well.


Well, SCOTUS objected to some of those restrictions. So both your argument and mine are incomplete, and we're down to "what is 'reasonable'?"

When it comes to voting, I'd rather be too inclusive than too exclusive. What was the problem with the registration system we had before (which didn't require paying for anything)?
 
2012-09-28 01:12:19 PM

dinomyar: Not that it matters to the argument, but I saw this on the TV the other day and didnt realize it.

Link

The Mason-Dixon line originally had nothing to do with North/South divisions. The line was established to end a boundary dispute between the British colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania/Delaware.


At first I was like, "how did you not know this?" and then I was like "You probably didn't grow up within a mile of M-D... right... carry on."

Vastly under-appreciated feat of civil engineering in US history. Oh, Lewis and Clark crossed the rockies. Good for them. M-D drew the longest farking straight line in, like, god damned *ever*. Also, in one of the more round-a-bout scientific collaborations in history, their revelation of non-random error in surveying this line back to it's starting point led directly to Cavendish's experiments to determine the mass and density of the earth.
 
2012-09-28 01:12:30 PM
And what I find really amusing is the people that are pushing so hard for voter ID now, claiming everyone should have an ID anyway, are largely the same people that were fighting against all the variations of a national ID that were proposed in the 90's-00's.
 
2012-09-28 01:13:31 PM

WTF Indeed: Another fine graduate of the retard factory known as "Dickson Law School". You have admire his balls however. The Supreme Court tells him to do his job and allow an injunction and he says "Okay, I'll allow an injunction on this one issue about provisional ballots since most people don't know what a provisional ballot is."


That's not at all what the PA Supreme Court said.

It said that it was concerned that because the process was so new, that the state hasn't had enough enough time to provide IDs fast enough before the election. The SC then told the lower court that it needed to look at how the process has been playing out so far to see if it was really unreasonably hard to get an ID.

If the PA SC was really concerned about it being too hard to get the ID, then they would have just postponed implementation of the law until the next election so that the State had more than enough time to get their act together.
 
2012-09-28 01:15:28 PM

tirob: colon_pow: it's sick that voter fraud will not be allowed.

freakin sick.

There were about half a dozen known cases of voter fraud in PA before this law was passed. This law was not passed to stop voter fraud. It was passed--earlier this year--in an attempt to prevent Barack Obama democrats from winning stealing Pennsylvania again.

The courts are being very cute about the law. The PA Supreme Court has already remanded one challenge to the law back to the Commonwealth Court. I fully expect the courts to send this case back and forth to each other until after election day, when the whole affair will effectively become moot. That way, none of the courts will have the odium of actually having to declare the law valid.



FTFY.
 
2012-09-28 01:18:39 PM
FTFA:

Lawyer Alicia Hickok, representing the Corbett administration, countered that the plaintiffs' witnesses were merely "resentful" about the process of getting IDs. "But frustration," she said, "is a part of everyday life."

So, life is tough, therefore you shouldn't expeect to have the right to vote.
 
2012-09-28 01:19:04 PM

incendi: runin800m: As I noted above, we have been placing restrictions on constitutionally guaranteed rights for a while now. If we can require an ID before someone is allowed to exercise one constitutionally guaranteed right then the door is open for a similar restriction here.

However, those other constitutionally guaranteed rights are not constitutionally guaranteed to come without a tax. Voting is. That's the root of it.


No, I think the root of it is that dark and poor people don't share the same rights in the eyes of the GOP.
 
2012-09-28 01:23:02 PM

T-Servo: No, I think the root of it is that dark and poor people don't share the same rights in the eyes of the GOP.


When the power base of the GOP is the Deep South and the Deep South has a 'caste' system in place, this is going to be the result.
 
2012-09-28 01:29:37 PM

Magorn: cabbyman: Get an ID you lazy bums.

Fark you. As a Libertarian icon once said:
" "When a place gets crowded enough to require ID's, social collapse is not far away. It is time to go elsewhere."


so a small town of identical twins will collapse faster than a larger town?
 
2012-09-28 01:37:16 PM

incendi: And what I find really amusing is the people that are pushing so hard for voter ID now, claiming everyone should have an ID anyway, are largely the same people that were fighting against all the variations of a national ID that were proposed in the 90's-00's.


Word up! The national ID card was considered to be the first step in establishing the New World Order, leading to black helicopters hunting down all the God-fearin', patriotic REAL Americans and taking them to Bill and Hitlery Clinton's FEMA camps (at least, that's what the Freepers were whining about for roughly eight years).

Not enough time to dig up the old links, but here are some recent ones:

Link

Link

Ron Paul - A National ID Card "Dictatorships have these, not a Free Republic"
Link

Link
 
2012-09-28 01:39:03 PM
Simpson told attorneys in the case that he was trying to figure out how to address what he called the "offending" parts of the law without throwing the measure out.

If the judge can't figure that out, then the "offending parts" are not severable from the rest of the law and the entire voter ID law has to be tossed.
 
2012-09-28 01:39:59 PM

T-Servo: No, I think the root of it is that dark and poor people don't share the same rights in the eyes of the GOP.


Wellllll, that's the fertilizer in the soil that the root is growing in.
 
2012-09-28 01:49:34 PM
I'm sorry, why are the crybaby full diaper demorats unhappy?? Is it because a person cannot vote 22 times in one day? Because their dead grandmother cannot continue voting as she has since FDR ran the first time? Or because their illegal immigrant friends cannot skewer an election towards more debt and welfare benefits? Poor crybabies, so unhappy when they actually have to follow the laws already on the books.
 
2012-09-28 01:49:51 PM

runin800m: Warlordtrooper: cabbyman: Get an ID you lazy bums.

My right to vote is protected by the Constiution. It is inherint and not dependent on having an ID or not.

As I noted above, we have been placing restrictions on constitutionally guaranteed rights for a while now. If we can require an ID before someone is allowed to exercise one constitutionally guaranteed right then the door is open for a similar restriction here.


But in this case, rather than allowing reasonable restrictions on voting, we have a consitutional amendment which specifically upholds the right as be less restricted. The 24th says no poll taxes. Write a fair voter-ID law that isn't going to prejudicially impact poor and minority voters and then you can argue your law isn't a poll tax.
 
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