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(The New York Times)   This, Americans, is why we need to keep tomatoes as ammunition   (nytimes.com) divider line 39
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2012-09-28 12:23:41 AM  
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Does that mean we get to have our own version of La Tomatina Festival? Because that would be cool.
 
2012-09-28 12:28:56 AM  
One out of two? WHY THAT'S ALMOST 50%!!!

/we need more flavorless greenhouse tomatoes
 
2012-09-28 12:41:57 AM  
I do grow a couple of heirloom varieties on the side in my garden to throw.
//not pretentious
 
2012-09-28 01:51:57 AM  
dropped down into the lower 30s last week so I freaked and picked a fark-ton of green tomatoes. we've been eating them fried every other day. rest wrapped in newspaper in the pantry.

a fark-ton is a lot, people.
 
2012-09-28 01:57:21 AM  
If you buy tomatoes from a store, you kinda deserve whatever flavorless red water-nodule you get.
 
2012-09-28 01:59:46 AM  
www.hammertonail.com

Tomatoes. Excuse me? Tomatoes. Yes tomatoes.
 
2012-09-28 02:00:54 AM  
usa should get their mexican tomatoes for free. we have millions of illegal immigrants to trade.
 
2012-09-28 02:04:13 AM  
Try heirloom tomatos...grown in a greenhouse. Eh, eh? Just kidding, I know the free hand of the market has chosen tomatoes grown for shippability, not taste. It also chooses honey boo boo, so no surprise.
 
2012-09-28 02:04:25 AM  

KrispyKritter: usa should get their mexican tomatoes for free. we have millions of illegal immigrants to trade.


And who would pick them, genius?

Your logic is like saying "I would like to trade you for your tank. I will give you this guy who drives a tank."
 
2012-09-28 02:08:57 AM  
And this affects the Purple Cherokees we grow and jar how?

/the non red tomato sauce freaks people out
//and they taste ex-farking-quisite
 
2012-09-28 02:10:17 AM  
Something about we must allow all illegal immigrants because they do the jobs Americans won't do and like we would have 5 dollar lettuce and tomato if we didn't allow as many illegal aliens to come to the USA as wanted to because the 5 dollar lettuce and tomato.
 
2012-09-28 02:11:19 AM  
Of course Walmart is against higher prices. They sell the cheapest crap they can find. Walmart is bad for America. People who shop there are helping to export our jobs. They shop there because they can't get jobs or have shiatty jobs. They are unemployed or have shiatty jobs because they are buying cheap, Chinese made, plastic junk instead of more expensive American made products. It's a vicious cycle.

Whomever becomes the next president needs to grow a pair and take away China's most favored nation trade status. It won't happen because while it is the right thing to do for American jobs, it would be a political disaster.
 
2012-09-28 02:32:08 AM  
Fark Florida. They shouldn't be growing tomatoes anyways. Totally the wrong climate.
 
2012-09-28 02:32:51 AM  

stoli n coke: KrispyKritter: usa should get their mexican tomatoes for free. we have millions of illegal immigrants to trade.

And who would pick them, genius?

Your logic is like saying "I would like to trade you for your tank. I will give you this guy who drives a tank."


*oh-snap.jpg*
 
2012-09-28 02:51:38 AM  
BC Hothouse tomatoes FTW!
 
2012-09-28 02:56:46 AM  
First, it was bacon. As costs rise, the poor among us weep silent tears. A drift of something sinister as tomato prices rise as well. My friends, the end is nigh - cash out your lettuce futures, the BLT is under attack.
 
2012-09-28 03:13:36 AM  

kwirlkarphys: My friends, the end is nigh - cash out your lettuce futures, the BLT is under attack.


Mmmmmm.

A BLT sounds great right now...but, I'm all out of lemons.
 
2012-09-28 03:37:52 AM  

stoli n coke: KrispyKritter: usa should get their mexican tomatoes for free. we have millions of illegal immigrants to trade.

And who would pick them, genius?

Your logic is like saying "I would like to trade you for your tank. I will give you this guy who drives a tank."


ack! your logic is solid. my plan is foiled!
 
2012-09-28 03:41:23 AM  
Tomatoes: the explosive rounds of the vegetable kingdom!
 
2012-09-28 04:09:33 AM  
That'll teach the King of England to try to invade America while Americans are unarmed.
 
2012-09-28 04:26:44 AM  
 
2012-09-28 04:28:02 AM  
Don't you think it is time for somebody to explain to Americans the economic concepts of "competitive advantage" and "specialization" as it pertains to the production of goods and services, a sort of Economics 101 class for the nation?

You see, people produce goods and services and trade them for other goods and services. Some people are better at making or doing one thing, some at another. It is to the advantage of each producer to specialize in that good or service which they can produce most efficiently because they thus not only increase the amount of goods and services available to all, but can sell at the greatest profit to themselves and thus acquire money to buy the greatest amount of goods and services which they can.

In this way, individuals, companies, regions, industries and even entire nations can maximize their production and their profits.

Mexico, for example, is endowed with a great deal of low cost labour, dry, sandy soils, and sunlight, while Canada is not. Canadians can grow tomatoes, but they can not grow as much as they consume, and Canadian tomatoes cost more to produce in terms of labour and resources. They must often be grown in greenhouses, using a lot more fuel to prevent killing frosts, while in Mexico, which is close to the source of the domesticated tomato plants, tomatoes grow well using natural rainfall, warmth and light. Thus it is easier and cheaper to grow tomatoes in Mexico than in Canada. Even if the Mexicans could produce everything cheaper and more profitably than Canadians, it would still be to the advantage of Mexicans to grow more tomatoes and waste less time and resources on other goods and services which they could buy more cheaply from Canadians or others.

In the same way, it is cheaper to buy tomatoes and many other kinds of produce from Mexico than it is to produce them in Florida or California using imported or domestic labour under quasi-slave conditions. It not only costs less, but it causes fewer social problems and costs the taxpayer less because the taxpayer doesn't have to pay for welfare, unemployment insurance, farm subsidies, etc.

The consumer benefits by buying Mexican tomatoes and Canadian maple syrop, while selling iPads and iPhones to Mexicans and Canadians at even more grotesque prices than the American consumer pays.

Farmers do not like competing against other farmers as this lowers their prices, but they often misunderstand economics to the point that they think they can profit from restricting trade, at least internaitonal trade. This is as foolish as restricting domestic trade, however, because it means that consumers and producers alike are getting less good and fewer services than they could with specialization in those areas where they are most competitive. Merchants and land owners are self-deluding and delude others into thinking there is advantage in "buying domestic" or "buying local" or so forth, when in reality it would be more profitable to all concerned to allow free trade in all but the most important strategic resources.

I'm not saying is alien workers that make us richer but it is alien workers that make us better off or else we wouldn't be paying them the wages and they wouldn't immigrate to where the work and the money is.

It's just that obstacles to free trade often force us to import labour and use more resources, time, money, etc. to make fewer goods and services. We think we are being smart but we are being stupid. We are cutting off our own noses to spite our faces, so to speak. We are pissing into the wind. We are locking out good fortune for fear of some risk.

All in all, free honest competition is best in most cases, while a fair trade is no robbery, to quote "the Wisest American", Ben. Franklin. I often think it is sad that American Wisdom peaked so early. After all, if Benjamin Franklin is the wisest American, it doesn't say much for Americans since, does it? But I guess the old codger was pretty wise. I read his autobiography and other stuff that he wrote and he seems to have been a smart cookie. Not to mention inventing the Franklin stove and the electricity that runs most of them today. ; )

It's a funny old world, as Margaret Thatcher put it.
 
2012-09-28 04:40:01 AM  

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: [www.hammertonail.com image 400x226]

Tomatoes. Excuse me? Tomatoes. Yes tomatoes.


Yes, we have no tomatoes. We have no tomatoes today ... or any day.

The crap in the cans behind me is mostly starch and water. There's barely any tomato in them and you'll get the diabetus if you are so poor you have to live on this crap. I recommend finding real tomatoes, preferably grown locally and ripened naturally, and squash them through a strainer or collander and boil the Hell out of them for a moment, reducing to a simmer for several hours if you have the time. Then add whole or skimmed milk and make a real tomato soup. It will taste weird, being composed of tomatoes and milk rather than sugar, salt, starch, number one red dye, etc., but you'll get used to it and after a while you will love tomato soup again. Also, you'll live longer and healthier.

Sadly, on my wage, I can't afford to buy much of the crap we sell, let alone real food, and that is why I look wane and sickly.

You know what is good in tomato soup? Dill weed. Caraway seeds are nice, also. I wish I could afford something besides salt, salt, salt, salt and salt. And Spam. God, I eat a lot of Spam. Sardines are way healthier and cheaper but how many cans of sardines can you eat, really?

I am sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but life is hard for us po' whites and I am prematurely old because of the thousands of little hardships I suffer in a country of "rugged individualists" who get rich looting the public purse while crushing any socially, morally, intellectually, or culturally useful government project.

I guess you would call me a Rube or White Trash, although I don't think name-calling is useful, intelligent, moral or wise. I can't help being what I am, because everything is a combination of ideas, institutions, customs and individual actions and choices. I only have limited control over my conditions of existence, as Karl Marx, a sociologist or a philosopher would put it. How can I change the world when I can't even find or afford a simple tomato?
 
2012-09-28 08:01:11 AM  
That's why you buy Jersey Fresh tomatoes.

/surprisingly the tomatoes coming out of here from New Jersey don't taste like a smokestack
 
2012-09-28 08:01:49 AM  

brantgoose: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: [www.hammertonail.com image 400x226]

Tomatoes. Excuse me? Tomatoes. Yes tomatoes.

Yes, we have no tomatoes. We have no tomatoes today ... or any day.

The crap in the cans behind me is mostly starch and water. There's barely any tomato in them and you'll get the diabetus if you are so poor you have to live on this crap. I recommend finding real tomatoes, preferably grown locally and ripened naturally, and squash them through a strainer or collander and boil the Hell out of them for a moment, reducing to a simmer for several hours if you have the time. Then add whole or skimmed milk and make a real tomato soup. It will taste weird, being composed of tomatoes and milk rather than sugar, salt, starch, number one red dye, etc., but you'll get used to it and after a while you will love tomato soup again. Also, you'll live longer and healthier.

Sadly, on my wage, I can't afford to buy much of the crap we sell, let alone real food, and that is why I look wane and sickly.

You know what is good in tomato soup? Dill weed. Caraway seeds are nice, also. I wish I could afford something besides salt, salt, salt, salt and salt. And Spam. God, I eat a lot of Spam. Sardines are way healthier and cheaper but how many cans of sardines can you eat, really?

I am sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but life is hard for us po' whites and I am prematurely old because of the thousands of little hardships I suffer in a country of "rugged individualists" who get rich looting the public purse while crushing any socially, morally, intellectually, or culturally useful government project.

I guess you would call me a Rube or White Trash, although I don't think name-calling is useful, intelligent, moral or wise. I can't help being what I am, because everything is a combination of ideas, institutions, customs and individual actions and choices. I only have limited control over my conditions of existence, as Karl Marx, a sociologist or a philosopher would put it. How can I change the world when I can't even find or afford a simple tomato?


Bravo on these two posts!

/would make you a homemade tomato soup with garlic croutons and sit with you for lunch.
// I'll make the grilled cheese sammiches too
 
2012-09-28 08:02:19 AM  
Small 4x4 grow tent and a nice LED growlight setup with some nice heirloom varietals and you can have fresh kickass superior tomatoes year-round... but most people are too lazy for the finer things in life.
 
2012-09-28 08:17:48 AM  

Omahawg: dropped down into the lower 30s last week so I freaked and picked a fark-ton of green tomatoes. we've been eating them fried every other day. rest wrapped in newspaper in the pantry.

a fark-ton is a lot, people.


It's like a 1,000 ass loads or 1500 buttloads, IIRC? But what about the 'Hella' scale?
 
2012-09-28 09:17:41 AM  
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the border-states cracking down on migrant farm workers. Quick, blame the Obama administration when produce prices rise!!!
 
2012-09-28 09:21:58 AM  
12 Costoluto Genovese and 12 Principe Borghese plants make enough sauce to last two people two years. Fark Mexico and Florida. If i want fresh tomatoes I wait until July.
 
2012-09-28 10:04:57 AM  

KrispyKritter: usa should get their mexican tomatoes for free. we have millions of illegal immigrants to trade.


Whose going to pick those free tomatoes? American farmers can't even get legals to pick theirs these days.

/grows my own
 
2012-09-28 10:09:09 AM  
I got so much shiat last time I threw tomatoes at the stage.

Maybe I should have taken them out of the can first.
 
2012-09-28 10:16:10 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Does that mean we get to have our own version of La Tomatina Festival? Because that would be cool.


When is that last time you saw a tomato for sale in the US with that color?
 
2012-09-28 10:31:56 AM  

windowseat: 12 Costoluto Genovese and 12 Principe Borghese plants make enough sauce to last two people two years. Fark Mexico and Florida. If i want fresh tomatoes I wait until July.


Two varieties that are on my list for next year... You should give San Marzano a try. Their flesh is crazy meaty and rich, and in addition to making a fine sauce they go great in salads and you can also stuff them since they hold up so well in the oven. They have very low water content and are crazy productive.
 
2012-09-28 10:52:21 AM  

Zeno-25: windowseat: 12 Costoluto Genovese and 12 Principe Borghese plants make enough sauce to last two people two years. Fark Mexico and Florida. If i want fresh tomatoes I wait until July.

Two varieties that are on my list for next year... You should give San Marzano a try. Their flesh is crazy meaty and rich, and in addition to making a fine sauce they go great in salads and you can also stuff them since they hold up so well in the oven. They have very low water content and are crazy productive.


I used to grow San Marzanos, but there are years here in NW PA that the cold weather starts just as the San Marzanos are near ripe and the whole crop is a wash. Fine for roasting and salads, but uselessfor sauce.SM are determinate, CG and PB are indeterminate. Its a pain to process every week for two or three months, but it beats not having sauce at all.
 
2012-09-28 10:54:40 AM  

Omahawg: rest wrapped in newspaper in the pantry.


Cook's Illustrated/America's Test Kitchen says: Put them cut side down on a surface, or scotch tape over the scar left from the stem cut. The ability of air and water to move into the tomato through that point is the big problem.

IrateShadow: When is that last time you saw a tomato for sale in the US with that color?


Since I live in New Jersey, it was Tuesday.

making salsa tonight
need more tomatoes.
 
2012-09-28 11:24:57 AM  

brantgoose: Don't you think it is time for somebody to explain to Americans the economic concepts of "competitive advantage" and "specialization" as it pertains to the production of goods and services, a sort of Economics 101 class for the nation?


It is time to explain to everyone who uses econ 101 examples that it is a basic course and the world is more complicated than what you learned freshman year.
 
2012-09-28 11:26:10 AM  

Omahawg: dropped down into the lower 30s last week so I freaked and picked a fark-ton of green tomatoes. we've been eating them fried every other day. rest wrapped in newspaper in the pantry.

a fark-ton is a lot, people.


Next year give this trick a try, uproot the entire plant, shake the dirt off the roots a bit and hang the entire thing in a dark, dry area like the basement or garage ( sheds are too warm). The tomatoes will ripen as the vines wither for a couple of months.
 
2012-09-28 07:27:33 PM  
Yeah, but one of out two tomatoes are eaten by illegal Messican immigrants who dook er jerbs! And 75% of the immigrants are illegal. And 95% of people named Harry don't even EAT tomatoes.

So clearly trade war with Mexico is the best possible option for all involved.
 
2012-09-28 09:13:49 PM  

IrateShadow: Bathia_Mapes: Does that mean we get to have our own version of La Tomatina Festival? Because that would be cool.

When is that last time you saw a tomato for sale in the US with that color?


Jersey farm markets.
 
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