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2012-09-28 09:20:10 AM
How shocking! I supposed the returning referees would be hailed as gods descended from Mount Olympus.

/pro refs screw up too
 
2012-09-28 09:22:25 AM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I supposed the returning referees would be hailed as gods descended from Mount Olympus.


They were practically given a standing O during pre-game.
 
2012-09-28 09:23:50 AM
This actually felt like some kind of normal football game. The refs did not make a big impact, the biggest difference between the scabs and the real refs. Thankfully the home fans were only booing a call against their team. Pretty standard.
 
2012-09-28 09:31:53 AM
They weren't booed because they were wrong.

However, no one gave me a good answer in last night's thread as to why the Cribb'shiat wasn't illegal.

1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player's head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and...

I thought he was wrapped on his lower half which meant he was in a "defenseless posture." Why wasn't it called?

/not trolling. I'm trying to better understand their rules especially the defenseless posture rules.
 
2012-09-28 09:32:43 AM

thecpt: Cribb'shiat


filter pwned. *the hit on Cribbs
 
2012-09-28 09:33:10 AM

wishiwasTFer: This actually felt like some kind of normal football game. The refs did not make a big impact, the biggest difference between the scabs and the real refs. Thankfully the home fans were only booing a call against their team. Pretty standard.


I wasn't watching that closely, but the PF on Kruger at the end made me all ragey. The potato refs wouldn't call the most obvious OPI caught on video because of some supposed unwritten "rule" that you don't flag the last play of the game, but the good refs will reward Joe Thomas' acting - away from the play - after a 4th-and-10 with :02 left?

Fark me, I'm just glad Purple won.
 
2012-09-28 09:33:40 AM
Well, the refs did make a couple of terrible calls - it was only really annoying because the announcers showed out so f*cking hard for them you'd think that the refs were their siblings. That "helmet to helmet" hit was shoulder to chest and I doubt the helmets ever even touched each other, but they showed a quick replay from an angle where you couldn't see too clearly and moved on, while the announcers were saying "that may not have looked like much, but you can't go at the head" as though he actually had. No, it didn't look like much because it wasn't anything.

Similarly, they got really upset at Oher for arguing that ridiculous holding call on Rice's big run (thanks, refs, for taking away the only damn big play he had all day), while pretending that "oh, yep, having an arm out without grabbing on and immediately taking it away when a guy runs into it is clearly holding and they're going to get you for that every time!"

If the replacement refs had made either of those calls, they would have been referendums on their stupidity. And they'd have been PISSED about the no-call on the near-decapitation of Cribbs. As it was? Great no-call! It's okay to hit guys in the head as they're falling to the ground!
 
2012-09-28 09:34:14 AM
Sometimes when people boo after a penalty call, they're booing the player who committed the penalty, or their team for screwing up.

That or they're actually saying "Boo-urns!"
 
2012-09-28 09:34:55 AM

Dr Dreidel: I wasn't watching that closely, but the PF on Kruger at the end made me all ragey.


That one was another ridiculous one. I really wish the Browns would've scored on the extra try on a simultaneous possession call though.
 
2012-09-28 09:39:06 AM

thecpt: I thought he was wrapped on his lower half which meant he was in a "defenseless posture." Why wasn't it called?


His forward progress had not been stopped long enough to count for him being defenseless, according to the NFL. Of course, they could change the rule, but they don't actually care about player safety.
 
2012-09-28 09:43:18 AM

bubbaprog: His forward progress had not been stopped long enough to count for him being defenseless, according to the NFL. Of course, they could change the rule, but they don't actually care about player safety.


But we can safely say that the no-call would have been lambasted as "not having control of the game" and as evidence that the replacement refs "are going to get someone killed out there" if the regular officials hadn't been the refs in this game.
 
2012-09-28 09:43:42 AM

bubbaprog: His forward progress had not been stopped long enough to count for him being defenseless, according to the NFL. Of course, they could change the rule, but they don't actually care about player safety.


Okay. Wow that is going to be a grey area in the future.
 
2012-09-28 09:43:43 AM
I think the strike has reinforced to me the difference between bad calls at the pro level and bad officiating at the pro level. Bad calls happen. Sometimes the pass interference goes your way, sometimes it doesn't but in the normal range of error bad calls happen and tend to balance out team to team. Bad officiating was the clown shoes events we saw happening through out the league. Bad calls are part of the game and can be booed when they happen to your team or excused with a 'he was barely holding his jersey' excuse when your team benefits. Bad officiating should always be booed and never excused.
 
2012-09-28 09:46:16 AM

IAmRight: As it was? Great no-call! It's okay to hit guys in the head as they're falling to the ground!


I didn't see the other two plays you are referencing but I don't think the Cribbs hit should have been a penalty. Yeah the guy probably should have tried to wrap him up instead of hit him like he did but on a play that fast what was the defender supposed to do? Pull up and wait to see if Cribbs breaks the tackle before hitting him? It's football, these things are going to happen from time to time, it didn't look like he was intentionally targeting his head.

Also, I didn't think it was nearly as bad as the Heyward-Bay hit last weekend.
 
2012-09-28 09:49:36 AM

IAmRight: But we can safely say that the no-call would have been lambasted as "not having control of the game" and as evidence that the replacement refs "are going to get someone killed out there" if the regular officials hadn't been the refs in this game.


That is absolutely true. The replacements were bad but the way they were covered certainly enhanced that feeling among everyone. If you scrutinize every single penalty looking for a flaw in the call...you can pretty much find one.

Still no excuse for 27yard personal fouls or not knowing some of the basic rules though.
 
2012-09-28 09:49:45 AM
The refs didn't need to be reminded every 5 minutes about what the basic rules of the game were. For the most part they kept the game flowing and basically were ignorable
 
2012-09-28 09:53:21 AM

ghall3: IAmRight: As it was? Great no-call! It's okay to hit guys in the head as they're falling to the ground!

I didn't see the other two plays you are referencing but I don't think the Cribbs hit should have been a penalty. Yeah the guy probably should have tried to wrap him up instead of hit him like he did but on a play that fast what was the defender supposed to do? Pull up and wait to see if Cribbs breaks the tackle before hitting him? It's football, these things are going to happen from time to time, it didn't look like he was intentionally targeting his head.

Also, I didn't think it was nearly as bad as the Heyward-Bay hit last weekend.


I think that our perception of these plays tend to get warped by the six or seven times we see it replayed in slow motion afterward, too. Watching that hit in real time, the defender hits Cribbs maybe a half-second after the initial contact with his shoulder. It's brutal, sure, but I don't see the defender having a realistic chance to let up in that small of a window.
 
2012-09-28 09:56:18 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: I think that our perception of these plays tend to get warped by the six or seven times we see it replayed in slow motion afterward, too. Watching that hit in real time, the defender hits Cribbs maybe a half-second after the initial contact with his shoulder. It's brutal, sure, but I don't see the defender having a realistic chance to let up in that small of a window.


Exactly. A half-second might even be generous I think it was less than that. He'll probably be fined too, because the League Office gets each of those nice slow replays but in reality, it was just an unfortunate accident.
 
2012-09-28 10:07:14 AM

Lost Thought 00: The refs didn't need to be reminded every 5 minutes about what the basic rules of the game were. For the most part they kept the game flowing and basically were ignorable


At the final whistle, I looked at my watch - 1145. Did the potatoes ever finish a prime-time game before midnight?
 
2012-09-28 10:09:49 AM
Therefore, the Seahawks didn't get the benefit of a very bad call and they are automatically super bowl champions!

Real refs fark up too, but not nearly to the extent the scab refs did.
 
2012-09-28 10:14:37 AM

Dr Dreidel: Lost Thought 00: The refs didn't need to be reminded every 5 minutes about what the basic rules of the game were. For the most part they kept the game flowing and basically were ignorable

At the final whistle, I looked at my watch - 1145. Did the potatoes ever finish a prime-time game before midnight?


Nope, don't think so. That was something I noticed. This season, once trivia night has been over, I've had basically the entire 4th quarter to watch, but not last night.
 
2012-09-28 10:15:37 AM

machoprogrammer: Therefore, the Seahawks didn't get the benefit of a very bad call and they are automatically super bowl champions!

Real refs fark up too, but not nearly to the extent the scab refs did.


It's not necessarily about screw ups. At least the real refs look comfortable and look like they at least have half a clue what's going on and that they belong.
 
2012-09-28 10:18:37 AM

Dr Dreidel: wishiwasTFer: This actually felt like some kind of normal football game. The refs did not make a big impact, the biggest difference between the scabs and the real refs. Thankfully the home fans were only booing a call against their team. Pretty standard.

I wasn't watching that closely, but the PF on Kruger at the end made me all ragey. The potato refs wouldn't call the most obvious OPI caught on video because of some supposed unwritten "rule" that you don't flag the last play of the game, but the good refs will reward Joe Thomas' acting - away from the play - after a 4th-and-10 with :02 left?

Fark me, I'm just glad Purple won.


Sorry but you cannot complain about that call. Yes, Thomas embellished a great deal but that doesn't matter. If you are dumb enough to punch an opponent at that point in the game you deserve the penalty.

Or do you think it's legal to throw punches on the field?
 
2012-09-28 10:20:06 AM

babysealclubber: machoprogrammer: Therefore, the Seahawks didn't get the benefit of a very bad call and they are automatically super bowl champions!

Real refs fark up too, but not nearly to the extent the scab refs did.

It's not necessarily about screw ups. At least the real refs look comfortable and look like they at least have half a clue what's going on and that they belong.


What I am saying is, you can find mistakes every where in a game. It's about being consistent, competent, and, for lack of a better way saying it, looking as if you actually are qualified to keep the game under control.
 
2012-09-28 10:22:03 AM

downtownkid: Or do you think it's legal to throw punches on the field?


Yeah, honestly. Some pedantic a - hole will now post about "legal punches" but that needed to be called. His team just sealed the victory so what did he have to do? Walk up to the person blocking him, talk shiat, and throw his arm.

...C'MON MAN
 
2012-09-28 10:30:54 AM
I'm a Ravens fan and the PF on Kruger was the right call. Just like the guy on the Redskins throwing the ball at Finnegan, once you shove someone to the ground after the play is over, it's no longer a judgement call. He's lucky they didn't score on the following play.

Loved having the refs back. You don't fully realize how much it changes the game until you watch your team play twice in 5 days with different refs. They will still make occasional bad calls, but the flow of the game is better and they keep things under control.
 
2012-09-28 10:33:13 AM

IAmRight: Dr Dreidel: I wasn't watching that closely, but the PF on Kruger at the end made me all ragey.

That one was another ridiculous one. I really wish the Browns would've scored on the extra try on a simultaneous possession call though.


I was feverently cheering for that as well.

For the lulz.
 
2012-09-28 10:33:44 AM

PoochUMD: I'm a Ravens fan and the PF on Kruger was the right call. Just like the guy on the Redskins throwing the ball at Finnegan, once you shove someone to the ground after the play is over, it's no longer a judgement call. He's lucky they didn't score on the following play.

Loved having the refs back. You don't fully realize how much it changes the game until you watch your team play twice in 5 days with different refs. They will still make occasional bad calls, but the flow of the game is better and they keep things under control.


Agreed on the refs. A lot of times perception is reality, and the real refs prove this. Having the basic competence and projecting authority and professionalism made for a much smoother game.
 
2012-09-28 10:34:21 AM

downtownkid: Dr Dreidel: Sorry but you cannot complain about that call. Yes, Thomas embellished a great deal but that doesn't matter. If you are dumb enough to punch an opponent at that point in the game you deserve the penalty.

Or do you think it's legal to throw punches on the field?


1) Not a punch, a shove (still not legal, strictly speaking). The same type of shove that happens after 2/3 of plays - the linemen can't always see the action, so there's some light shoving, sometimes even after the whistles. Shocking, I know.
2) I thought "you don't throw laundry on the last play of a game". Isn't that what the league/potatoes/announcers were saying last week? Yes, we shouldn't base anything on what the potatoes think the rules are (jury's out on whether oxygen inhalation is a good call), but if this was supposedly some "conventional wisdom", you'd think they'd let an inconsequential light-shove-plus-embellishment slide.
3) If it had been a two-armed, right-to-the-chest shove, I can see it being flagged. Kruger puts one arm into Thomas' shoulder, and Thomas (who outweighs Kruger 312-275) winds up on the ground. Ticky-tack call.

At almost any other point in the game, I have no problem with that flag. After 4th-and-10 with 2 seconds to go, 5 seconds after the play is dead, a light shove + acting job should not be flagged.

// congratulations - you got me to sound like a home-team turbodouche
// but I'm happier about the refs' officiating than the potatoes'
// also glad Weeden airmailed the 5th down pass
 
2012-09-28 10:36:27 AM

Dr Dreidel: downtownkid: Dr Dreidel: Sorry but you cannot complain about that call. Yes, Thomas embellished a great deal but that doesn't matter. If you are dumb enough to punch an opponent at that point in the game you deserve the penalty.

Or do you think it's legal to throw punches on the field?

1) Not a punch, a shove (still not legal, strictly speaking). The same type of shove that happens after 2/3 of plays - the linemen can't always see the action, so there's some light shoving, sometimes even after the whistles. Shocking, I know.
2) I thought "you don't throw laundry on the last play of a game". Isn't that what the league/potatoes/announcers were saying last week? Yes, we shouldn't base anything on what the potatoes think the rules are (jury's out on whether oxygen inhalation is a good call), but if this was supposedly some "conventional wisdom", you'd think they'd let an inconsequential light-shove-plus-embellishment slide.
3) If it had been a two-armed, right-to-the-chest shove, I can see it being flagged. Kruger puts one arm into Thomas' shoulder, and Thomas (who outweighs Kruger 312-275) winds up on the ground. Ticky-tack call.

At almost any other point in the game, I have no problem with that flag. After 4th-and-10 with 2 seconds to go, 5 seconds after the play is dead, a light shove + acting job should not be flagged.

// congratulations - you got me to sound like a home-team turbodouche
// but I'm happier about the refs' officiating than the potatoes'
// also glad Weeden airmailed the 5th down pass



No laundry on the last play? Google "Dwayne Rudd helmet toss".
 
2012-09-28 10:39:05 AM
Well I am totally farked this week in my football pool. I based my picks on LSD Bizarro world outcomes. When the line says +3 at home you have to go all calculus trying to figure out the scab impact.
 
2012-09-28 10:39:15 AM

downtownkid: Having the basic competence and projecting authority and professionalism made for a much smoother game.


Also, having the announcers praise every call you make as though it's correct and not blaming you for every incident where players go after each other after the whistle helps.

BTW, love people pretending he knocked Thomas to the ground. Nah, he gave a little post-play shove that is regularly ignored, Thomas flopped and drew the call.
 
2012-09-28 10:43:03 AM

babysealclubber: babysealclubber: machoprogrammer: Therefore, the Seahawks didn't get the benefit of a very bad call and they are automatically super bowl champions!

Real refs fark up too, but not nearly to the extent the scab refs did.

It's not necessarily about screw ups. At least the real refs look comfortable and look like they at least have half a clue what's going on and that they belong.

What I am saying is, you can find mistakes every where in a game. It's about being consistent, competent, and, for lack of a better way saying it, looking as if you actually are qualified to keep the game under control.


And the replacement refs' inconsistency was worse, and they had no control over the game - hence why so many games had fights breaking out after really rough plays.
 
2012-09-28 10:44:01 AM

IAmRight: downtownkid: Having the basic competence and projecting authority and professionalism made for a much smoother game.

Also, having the announcers praise every call you make as though it's correct and not blaming you for every incident where players go after each other after the whistle helps.

BTW, love people pretending he knocked Thomas to the ground. Nah, he gave a little post-play shove that is regularly ignored, Thomas flopped and drew the call.


Absolutely. You know if the tater-refs made that call, you'd have been hearing Mayock spit all over the microphone saying "That should have been a no-call with that acting job! Bad refs!"
 
2012-09-28 10:44:47 AM

IAmRight: downtownkid: Having the basic competence and projecting authority and professionalism made for a much smoother game.

Also, having the announcers praise every call you make as though it's correct and not blaming you for every incident where players go after each other after the whistle helps.

BTW, love people pretending he knocked Thomas to the ground. Nah, he gave a little post-play shove that is regularly ignored, Thomas flopped and drew the call.


FWIW, I watched the game without sound, so I didn't hear the fawning over the referees, and I thought the game flowed a lot better.
 
2012-09-28 10:45:10 AM

Dr Dreidel: wishiwasTFer: This actually felt like some kind of normal football game. The refs did not make a big impact, the biggest difference between the scabs and the real refs. Thankfully the home fans were only booing a call against their team. Pretty standard.

I wasn't watching that closely, but the PF on Kruger at the end made me all ragey. The potato refs wouldn't call the most obvious OPI caught on video because of some supposed unwritten "rule" that you don't flag the last play of the game, but the good refs will reward Joe Thomas' acting - away from the play - after a 4th-and-10 with :02 left?

Fark me, I'm just glad Purple won.


ESPN had a "real" ref on SportsCenter immediately after the game who said that the regular refs wouldn't have called that, either.
 
2012-09-28 10:47:09 AM

downtownkid: No laundry on the last play? Google "Dwayne Rudd helmet toss".


Thanks, Private Pedant. "No" laundry = you need a damned good reason to wave a harm hanky. Like a player clearly removing his helmet while on the field of play, and while the clock/play is running. Or a DB gets two-handed shoved to the ground by a WR just before the WR jumps for a ball. Or an OL grabs two fistfuls of DL jersey at the whistle and doesn't let go until a second whistle. Or the band comes out onto the field.
 
2012-09-28 10:51:56 AM

babysealclubber: FWIW, I watched the game without sound, so I didn't hear the fawning over the referees, and I thought the game flowed a lot better.


Oh, it did, I'm not debating that. I'm just saying the announcers went out of their way to praise everything the refs did last night.
 
2012-09-28 10:52:30 AM

IAmRight: babysealclubber: FWIW, I watched the game without sound, so I didn't hear the fawning over the referees, and I thought the game flowed a lot better.

Oh, it did, I'm not debating that. I'm just saying the announcers went out of their way to praise everything the refs did last night.


That almost makes me glad I couldn't hear anything.
 
2012-09-28 10:52:51 AM

Dr Dreidel: Lost Thought 00: The refs didn't need to be reminded every 5 minutes about what the basic rules of the game were. For the most part they kept the game flowing and basically were ignorable

At the final whistle, I looked at my watch - 1145. Did the potatoes ever finish a prime-time game before midnight?


Well, define "finished." The Tate play, if you look at that thread, was around 1145. Granted, that was a defensive struggle with no offensive flow, but that is the facts of the matter.

The worst for time was Week 2, when both* games started the 2nd quarter around 930, when they usually get to halftime around 945-950 or so.

\*disclaimer: I don't watch the Thursday games. Don't get it on basic cable, and don't get me started on how horrible their "online" feed is.
 
2012-09-28 10:53:21 AM

meanmutton: ESPN had a "real" ref on SportsCenter immediately after the game who said that the regular refs wouldn't have called that, either.


Right, and the reason Real Ref said they wouldn't flag it is because of that unwritten rule about flagging the final play. So why did they stow the rule for the Ravens/Browns game last night?

// my theory is that they're being very (overly?) sensitive about player-on-player shoving/fighting after the whistle
// it looked like it was about to get srs bznss, so they flagged 99 as the Circle of Fighting formed near him/Thomas
 
2012-09-28 10:57:42 AM

rudemix: I think the strike has reinforced to me the difference between bad calls at the pro level and bad officiating at the pro level. Bad calls happen. Sometimes the pass interference goes your way, sometimes it doesn't but in the normal range of error bad calls happen and tend to balance out team to team. Bad officiating was the clown shoes events we saw happening through out the league. Bad calls are part of the game and can be booed when they happen to your team or excused with a 'he was barely holding his jersey' excuse when your team benefits. Bad officiating should always be booed and never excused.


THIS!
 
2012-09-28 10:57:51 AM

thecpt: Forcibly hitting the defenseless player's


I believe the answer is that he wasn't a "defenseless player". He was a punt returner in the midst of a return, fitghting through a seperate tackle.
 
2012-09-28 10:59:21 AM

Dr Dreidel: Right, and the reason Real Ref said they wouldn't flag it is because of that unwritten rule about flagging the final play. So why did they stow the rule for the Ravens/Browns game last night?


DISCLAIMER, i'm going to be technical. Fark me. There were two seconds left, so it wasn't the "final" play. I just thought it was a douche move and needed to be flagged. I remember him watching the ball go incomplete, turning around, then doing it.

/also, I don't care about unwritten rules when it comes to bad sportsmanship
 
2012-09-28 11:02:11 AM
I'm fine with the Kruger personal foul being called, it was ticky-tack, but it was after the play, so it was correct.

The question I have... is because it WAS after the play, shouldn't it have been Ravens ball instead of Browns? Remember, that was a 4th down play, so the penalty occurs AFTER the change of possession. Unless I'm missing something.

Other than that (which I might be totally wrong on anyway) the refs were great during the game. Sure I hated some of the calls, but that doesn't mean they were wrong.
 
2012-09-28 11:05:02 AM
I find it amazing that people can't differentiate the various degrees of suck.

The replacement refs missed calls constantly. Rarely called holding. Called far too many pass interference. Didn't recognize intentional grounding when it happened right in front of their faces. Spotted the ball in the wrong location. Gave incorrect yardage on penalties. Forgot where the ball was originally located after a timeout and placed it at the wrong location. Weren't in the correct location to see what the outcome of a play was and had to guess at the results. Don't know the difference between a catch and an interception. And never conferred with each other before making two different calls on the same play at the same time.

For some reason to a lot of you that is the same as the regular officials making a tough judgement decision on a close call that could potentially go either way.

OH MY GOD THE REAL OFFICIALS ARE JUST AS BAD AS THE SCABS!!!!11!!21one! Herp Derp.

The "both sides are bad, so vote for my group" crap needs to stay in politics. It doesn't work for anything else in real life.

Also, for the people wondering why the hit on Cribb was legal, it's because once you are established as a runner, you are no longer protected as a defenseless receiver. Basically once you have control and make "a football move" you are considered the same as a running back. After the receiver becomes a runner, the officials have to take into account momentum and intent when flagging a hit as illegal. Since the defender wasn't aiming for the head, but the runner instead ducked their head down as the defender was coming into them, they decided the forearm to the head contact was unintentional.

This was a good example of the difference between the real officials and the replacement refs. Notice that while the replacements didn't even throw a flag on similar plays, the real officials threw a flag immediately after the player stopped moving then discussed what had happened before deciding to pick up the flag as not illegal. That's why there was a flag marker on the screen for the entire time Cribbs was out before play resumed. The talked over the penalty and decided if the hit was illegal by the rule book or not.

Of course it is almost impossible to explain the difference to people who have no idea about how a decently officiated game looks different from a poorly officiated game, so this post might as well be printed out and burned for all the good it will do.

So instead, I'll just say I take my hat off for the replacement refs. They sure knew how to call a play. Plus they knew what pass interference looked like even if the rest of us didn't. Plus how could you hate anyone who makes Bill Belichick mad?

We shall miss you.
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Oh wait, no we wont.
 
2012-09-28 11:07:53 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: thecpt: Forcibly hitting the defenseless player's

I believe the answer is that he wasn't a "defenseless player". He was a punt returner in the midst of a return, fitghting through a seperate tackle.


Link is 2 years old, still should be relevant though.


Defenseless players are defined as (a) a player in the act of or just after throwing a pass; (b) a receiver catching or attempting to catch a pass; (c) a runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped; (d) a kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air; and (e) a player on the ground at the end of a play.
 
2012-09-28 11:11:04 AM

degenerate-afro: OH MY GOD THE REAL OFFICIALS ARE JUST AS BAD AS THE SCABS!!!!11!!21one! Herp Derp.


No one has said that, but if it helps you to argue against ghosts, by all means, keep on keepin' on.
 
2012-09-28 11:13:47 AM

degenerate-afro: Also, for the people wondering why the hit on Cribb was legal, it's because once you are established as a runner, you are no longer protected as a defenseless receiver. Basically once you have control and make "a football move" you are considered the same as a running back.


I'm the only one really questioning it (at least in this thread), but I'm sick of getting all of that above as a response because there are new rules for defenseless posture. People quote that part verbatim and automatically feel superior, which is irking me so badly.

The rest of your response is what i'm accepting, and what people need to learn. I missed the language of "intentional" which when you look at the force that was applied, its weird to argue that it wasn't. Nonetheless, it was ruled that way and in real time yeah probably wasn't.
 
2012-09-28 11:24:31 AM

babysealclubber: Oh, it did, I'm not debating that. I'm just saying the announcers went out of their way to praise everything the refs did last night.

That almost makes me glad I couldn't hear anything.


These guys have to fill a lot of air time with some sort of bantering. The praise-the-refs talk was getting old but not mind-numbingly so.

IMO, the Sunday night team of Al and Chris is the best one around right now.
 
2012-09-28 11:31:49 AM

Odd Bird: IMO, the Sunday night team of Al and Chris is the best one around right now.


"Yeah, I'll tell you what. These guys are so big, so strong - when I was a WR in Cincinnati, we had one lineman over 300 pounds. Now, you've got guys that are not only OVER 300#, they can run the 40 faster than I did! One time, in training camp, I stole Jim Hannula's cupcake - he couldn't catch me until bedtime! These days, they'd catch you before you made it six steps."
"Thanks Cris. Meanwhile, we've had 9 passes, a TD, a pick and a FG. Heck of a game we're seeing."

// too bad one of the farking announers would rather relive his time in the league than do color commentary
 
2012-09-28 11:31:55 AM

Odd Bird: babysealclubber: Oh, it did, I'm not debating that. I'm just saying the announcers went out of their way to praise everything the refs did last night.

That almost makes me glad I couldn't hear anything.

These guys have to fill a lot of air time with some sort of bantering. The praise-the-refs talk was getting old but not mind-numbingly so.

IMO, the Sunday night team of Al and Chris is the best one around right now.


I do too. I don't understand the hate for Chris Collinsworth. Also, he's a nice guy IRL.
 
2012-09-28 11:33:25 AM
CRIS Collinsworth, even
 
2012-09-28 11:40:44 AM

babysealclubber: CRIS Collinsworth, even


I just hate his voice, and how he does start talking out his ass about certain rules. His stories give okay insight, but mainly because he constantly sounds like he's had one too many, he could hiccup at any second, and he is very partial (which at the same time is a refreshing break from the usual, but somehow annoying).

My favorite is Gruden, Tirico, and Jaws.
 
2012-09-28 11:58:14 AM

Dr Dreidel: Odd Bird: IMO, the Sunday night team of Al and Chris is the best one around right now.

"Yeah, I'll tell you what. These guys are so big, so strong - when I was a WR in Cincinnati, we had one lineman over 300 pounds. Now, you've got guys that are not only OVER 300#, they can run the 40 faster than I did! One time, in training camp, I stole Jim Hannula's cupcake - he couldn't catch me until bedtime! These days, they'd catch you before you made it six steps."
"Thanks Cris. Meanwhile, we've had 9 passes, a TD, a pick and a FG. Heck of a game we're seeing."

// too bad one of the farking announers would rather relive his time in the league than do color commentary


Cris Collinsworth is the most annoying announcer on tv, IMHO.
 
2012-09-28 12:00:37 PM

IAmRight: Well, the refs did make a couple of terrible calls - it was only really annoying because the announcers showed out so f*cking hard for them you'd think that the refs were their siblings. That "helmet to helmet" hit was shoulder to chest and I doubt the helmets ever even touched each other, but they showed a quick replay from an angle where you couldn't see too clearly and moved on, while the announcers were saying "that may not have looked like much, but you can't go at the head" as though he actually had. No, it didn't look like much because it wasn't anything.


I must have seen a different replay then. I thought it was bogus at first, then the replay showed very similar contact as the Heyward-Bey hit from last weekend - helmet-to-bottom of the facemask, which is arguably more dangerous. I thought it was the right call.
 
2012-09-28 12:10:22 PM

Dr Dreidel: Odd Bird: IMO, the Sunday night team of Al and Chris is the best one around right now.

"Yeah, I'll tell you what.....
// too bad one of the farking announers would rather relive his time in the league than do color commentary


Though with somewhat excessive venom, your comment has merit.

babysealclubber:
I do too. I don't understand the hate for Chris Collinsworth. Also, he's a nice guy IRL.


Seems to be a decent guy but can be a bit annoying as an announcer. Few can compete with Al Michaels, many are worse than Cris.

trashbox: Cris Collinsworth is the most annoying announcer on tv, IMHO.


Man, I would put Jon Gruden in that spot long before Cris.
 
2012-09-28 12:15:33 PM

thecpt: Dr Dreidel: Right, and the reason Real Ref said they wouldn't flag it is because of that unwritten rule about flagging the final play. So why did they stow the rule for the Ravens/Browns game last night?

DISCLAIMER, i'm going to be technical. Fark me. There were two seconds left, so it wasn't the "final" play. I just thought it was a douche move and needed to be flagged. I remember him watching the ball go incomplete, turning around, then doing it.

/also, I don't care about unwritten rules when it comes to bad sportsmanship


Pretty much this. Previous to the Fail Mary, the replacements were derided for not controlling all the unnecessary crap going on after the whistle.
 
2012-09-28 12:16:53 PM

Odd Bird: Man, I would put Jon Gruden in that spot long before Cris.

 
2012-09-28 12:17:13 PM

Odd Bird: Man, I would put Jon Gruden in that spot long before Cris.


At least Gruden can explain strategy without simply describing it. Thanks, Cris, I can see the safeties rotating before a play - now tell me why someone might do that, in what situations, to achieve what ends? Why would the D have rotated their safeties on THIS play?

Gruden does that better than anyone who isn't Ron Jaworski.

// oh, man - Gruden/Jaworski would be amazing, if not for the fact they're both color guys
// actually, can we give them a non-yelling-over-each-other sports show?
 
2012-09-28 12:18:09 PM

downtownkid: Dr Dreidel: downtownkid: No laundry on the last play? Google "Dwayne Rudd helmet toss".

Thanks, Private Pedant. "No" laundry = you need a damned good reason to wave a harm hanky. Like a player clearly removing his helmet while on the field of play, and while the clock/play is running. Or a DB gets two-handed shoved to the ground by a WR just before the WR jumps for a ball. Or an OL grabs two fistfuls of DL jersey at the whistle and doesn't let go until a second whistle. Or the band comes out onto the field.

You may want to learn what pedantic actually means before misusing it so egregiously in the future.

Also, you fail to understand a pretty basic concept. No one is saying that fouls are never called on the last play of a game. They are saying that pass interference is never called on a hail Mary that ends a game. Big difference.


Correct... they aren't likely to call a lot of the hand checking that goes on in a hail mary crowd. They are likely to call stuff at the line, or even things after the whistle.
 
2012-09-28 12:19:12 PM

Dr Dreidel: Gruden does that better than anyone who isn't Ron Jaworski.


Gruden does that about 5% of the time - the rest he spends calling players "The Rocket" and explaining how when he was a coach they used to talk about how much they thought he was the best 3rd string TE in the league.
 
2012-09-28 12:41:28 PM
As someone who was at the game, the booing was minor. The standing-o that Gene got (yes, I am referring to the head ref by his first name because last night was such a nice moment) at the beginning of the game far outshines a little booing.

The game was ugly, the Ravens left 14points on the field (Joe's int, a missed pat, and a missed fg) so the fans were a little chippy. Nothing serious.

Also Cal Ripken was at the game and he got huge applause. And I thought it was hilarious they chose to induct Jamal Lewis into the Ring of Honor when the Browns came to town. Just wish he had take a minute in his speech to recognize how important the Browns were in his 2,000yrd season.
 
2012-09-28 12:43:31 PM

INeedAName: As someone who was at the game, the booing was minor. The standing-o that Gene got (yes, I am referring to the head ref by his first name because last night was such a nice moment) at the beginning of the game far outshines a little booing.

The game was ugly, the Ravens left 14points on the field (Joe's int, a missed pat, and a missed fg) so the fans were a little chippy. Nothing serious.

Also Cal Ripken was at the game and he got huge applause. And I thought it was hilarious they chose to induct Jamal Lewis into the Ring of Honor when the Browns came to town. Just wish he had take a minute in his speech to recognize how important the Browns were in his 2,000yrd season.


I was at the Browns Ravens game in Cleveland that year, he destroyed the Browns D. That was painful to witness.
 
2012-09-28 01:23:47 PM

thecpt: I'm the only one really questioning it (at least in this thread), but I'm sick of getting all of that above as a response because there are new rules for defenseless posture. People quote that part verbatim and automatically feel superior, which is irking me so badly.


Internet discussion forums in general serve the sole purpose of allowing people to use quotations to make themselves feel superior. ;)

But yeah, there's the two sub-categories in the definition of a "defenseless player" which could have been applied here. Line 2, which is what d-a mentioned in the line you quoted, doesn't really apply as Cribbs had made a football move and was capable of defending himself from a hit. Line 3's applicability is a judgment call as to whether or not his forward progress had been stopped...he was clearly not going to break the low tackle and was on his way down to the field, but we're talking a time-frame of less than a second between the first hit and the blow that knocked him out; there definitely wasn't a whistle blown to signal that he was down (as should be the case when an official determines a player's forward progress has been stopped). I'm inclined to believe that the spirit of the rule was to prevent cases where a player had been stacked up by one or more defenders and another player then comes in to lay a blow to his head. At any rate, it was clear that the hit was not intentionally laid helmet-to-helmet, or at least I thought so.

Not really your point, but I will grant that had the replacement officials still been on the field then this play would be receiving a great deal more scrutiny (and perhaps outrage)...if those pointing this out will likewise grant that, had the replacements been in charge of this game, the final score could have been anywhere from 3-0 to 43-38 depending on what transpired after the various changes to flags thrown/not thrown by the actual officials. :p
 
2012-09-28 01:30:02 PM
threadjack
First thought I had when they showed Colt McCoy on the sideline last night was, "Hey someone is finally talking about Colt McCoy!" Fark, you have ruined me.

/threadjack
 
2012-09-28 01:31:02 PM

INeedAName: And I thought it was hilarious they chose to induct Jamal Lewis into the Ring of Honor when the Browns came to town. Just wish he had take a minute in his speech to recognize how important the Browns were in his 2,000yrd season.


What I found most hilarious/depressing (depending on one's allegiances) was that, a few days prior to the game where he ran for 295 against Cleveland (not to be confused with the second game against the Browns that season, when he ran for 205) Lewis was quoted as saying that he was going to break the NFL single-game rushing record that weekend. Lewis averaged 9.62 Y/A against Cleveland that season, and 4.67 against the rest of the league (2.5 in the playoff loss to the Titans).
 
2012-09-28 01:31:59 PM

roc6783: First thought I had when they showed Colt McCoy on the sideline last night was, "Hey someone is finally talking about Colt McCoy!"


My first thought was that he still looked concussed.
 
2012-09-28 02:27:29 PM

IAmRight: degenerate-afro: OH MY GOD THE REAL OFFICIALS ARE JUST AS BAD AS THE SCABS!!!!11!!21one! Herp Derp.

No one has said that, but if it helps you to argue against ghosts, by all means, keep on keepin' on.


I've seen many farkers complaining that the real refs will make horrible calls just like the replacement refs. Same difference.
 
2012-09-28 02:50:02 PM

chuggernaught: I've seen many farkers complaining that the real refs will make horrible calls just like the replacement refs. Same difference.


That's because they will. They just won't make nearly as many, and their demeanor and competence will keep games flowing the way they should.
 
2012-09-28 03:06:59 PM

IAmRight: degenerate-afro: OH MY GOD THE REAL OFFICIALS ARE JUST AS BAD AS THE SCABS!!!!11!!21one! Herp Derp.

No one has said that, but if it helps you to argue against ghosts, by all means, keep on keepin' on.


You obviously didn't read through the NFL thread last night.
 
2012-09-28 04:18:11 PM
The professionalism of the real refs was evident from the start. Very clear announcing of penalties. They know all of the hand signals. They break up fights very quickly. Even the whistle blowing (not throwing flags, but literally just using the whistle) was on point and very clear. It was night and day in my opinion.

Of course the real refs are going to get things wrong once in awhile, and of course the real refs are going to get booed by the home crowd. You always boo a home penalty no matter what.

Anyways, it was nice to see them back and made football feel like football again.
 
2012-09-28 04:46:37 PM

IAmRight: Well, the refs did make a couple of terrible calls - it was only really annoying because the announcers showed out so f*cking hard for them you'd think that the refs were their siblings. That "helmet to helmet" hit was shoulder to chest and I doubt the helmets ever even touched each other, but they showed a quick replay from an angle where you couldn't see too clearly and moved on, while the announcers were saying "that may not have looked like much, but you can't go at the head" as though he actually had. No, it didn't look like much because it wasn't anything.

Similarly, they got really upset at Oher for arguing that ridiculous holding call on Rice's big run (thanks, refs, for taking away the only damn big play he had all day), while pretending that "oh, yep, having an arm out without grabbing on and immediately taking it away when a guy runs into it is clearly holding and they're going to get you for that every time!"

If the replacement refs had made either of those calls, they would have been referendums on their stupidity. And they'd have been PISSED about the no-call on the near-decapitation of Cribbs. As it was? Great no-call! It's okay to hit guys in the head as they're falling to the ground!


Meanwhile, all of that ranting ignores what was clearly the worst call of the night, which went against the Ravens and gave the Browns an extra chance to win.
 
2012-09-28 04:48:39 PM
I mean, yes, bad calls in every game, good refs or not. The kind of calls and the egregiousness is what counts, and that o-lineman flop/flag was something i expect out of the fake refs (though the real ones fall for those moves every so often).

Imperfect, but vastly improved. I'll take it.
 
2012-09-28 04:56:32 PM
When will the Ravens pull the ultimate troll on Cleveland and play them in brown and orange throwback jerseys?
 
2012-09-28 05:10:13 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: thecpt: Forcibly hitting the defenseless player's

I believe the answer is that he wasn't a "defenseless player". He was a punt returner in the midst of a return, fitghting through a seperate tackle.


I'm sleepy and read that as "tickle"... yeah, it sounded funny.
 
2012-09-28 05:23:46 PM

gameshowhost: Jim from Saint Paul: thecpt: Forcibly hitting the defenseless player's

I believe the answer is that he wasn't a "defenseless player". He was a punt returner in the midst of a return, fitghting through a seperate tackle.

I'm sleepy and read that as "tickle"... yeah, it sounded funny.


If we were talking about the Lingere league, I'd be on board.
 
2012-09-28 06:01:38 PM

IAmRight: Also, having the announcers praise every call you make as though it's correct and not blaming you for every incident where players go after each other after the whistle helps.


Get over it, the scab refs were unbelievably awful you damn contrarian.
 
2012-09-28 07:39:13 PM

EyeballKid: When will the Ravens pull the ultimate troll on Cleveland and play them in brown and orange throwback jerseys?


The Cleveland Browns own their colors, uniforms, historical records, and name. Ravens "throwback" jerseys could only date back to 1996 (because the Indianapolis Colts also own their colors, uniforms, historical record, and name).
 
2012-09-28 07:43:09 PM

puffy999: that o-lineman flop/flag was something i expect out of the fake refs (though the real ones fall for those moves every so often).


He definitely exaggerated the effect of the shove, but if nothing else Kruger deserves a 15-yard flag for stupidity for shoving him in the first place. Game's over, dude, if that lineman pissed you off so much then just point out the scoreboard to him.
 
2012-09-29 02:57:00 PM
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