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2012-09-28 09:18:28 AM  

Lsherm: WhyteRaven74: impaler: No salting the earth?

Or that slaves built the pyramids, or a whole bunch of others. Seriously the list could be 50 items long and still miss a few big ones.

C'mon, a well kept and provided for worker that has to build a pyramid is still a slave as long as the person paying him for it will be buried under it. Especially if they don't have an option for the job.


Am article here over a year ago offered evidence that the pyramids of Egypt weren't just built by paid labourers, but *unionised* workers. That's getting pretty far from anything like slavery.
 
2012-09-28 09:22:31 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: You should see the Mormon Jesus. The portrait that is officially accepted by the LDS Church looks like Jesus has been surfing all summer and that's why he has blond hilights.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
What a surfing Jesus may look like.

/I got my eye on you...
 
2012-09-28 09:23:35 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Hell, most people can't even name their own elected reps.


The conversation between Cheech and the officer at ~1:10 

It also serves as a public service video to help Latio-Americans citizens avoid arrest in Arizona and how to navigate back home if they do get wrongly deported.
 
2012-09-28 09:25:39 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Jesus was a white dude


Well, he absolutely was a Caucasian. Of course, there are some people who think that certain Caucasians aren't quite "white" enough to be called "white".
 
2012-09-28 09:27:16 AM  
The confederacy wasn't antisemitic. Thats probably my fav as it shut up my gov/law professor who was trying talk about how the south probably still doesn't like jews (he was talking out his ass).

Thats why there wasn't a cross on their flag, they didn't want exclude the jewish faith.
 
2012-09-28 09:27:25 AM  

KrispyKritter: I sound fat: I like misconception articles, but this one seemed mostly to be saying "its a misconception because I said it was" (Ie.. people werent shorter that much shorter in the past and its just in our head that the beds were smaller) I googled, no supporting data for this statement seems to exist.

Of course, I didnt look at every result on the internet, so he MIGHT have a point. it would be nice if he shared why he thougt that though. I am intrigued..

/ and there has to be penis joke in there about french feet being bigger than british feet, but im not touching it with a 10 french foot pole.

i too was expecting to see some stats about skeletons from the era, but no. no bones. i would like to have seen more about this. people may have been tall in the day due to clean air, water, plenty of exercise and unprocessed whole foods. or they may have been shorter because their diets were limited to pretty much what was available locally, and may have been slight malnourished because of it.


Quick question for you: is the air and water in the US more polluted today or was it more polluted in the 1970s?
 
2012-09-28 09:27:45 AM  
I thought the legend went that Paul Revere shouted, "The Redcoats are coming"?

/just me and my horsey and a quart of beer
 
2012-09-28 09:27:57 AM  

wyltoknow: WhyteRaven74: Oh sure any group of men could be made to drag a stone, but actually cutting it and smoothing it out so the corners are a nice 90 degrees and consistent stone after stone? That takes a fair amount of skill and knowledge.

Eh, on the other hand, it's not particularly unheard of to have a group of slaves who were treated somewhat better than the rest of the slaves and given extra training and treatment, due to factors like their inherent display of skill/knowledge or maybe who their parents were or, for example in the case of American slaves, if their skin color was perhaps leaning towards favorable to their captors. So you take this smaller group, feed them well and give them education and a better position both literally and figuratively than their peers and voila, they'll pump out specialized craft for you. And then you have the added benefit of the imposed slave hierarchy breeding inter-resentment and strife amongst the servile population and further inhibiting the chance of a full-on cohesive rebellion.


At its height, Ancient Egypt was easily the wealthiest and most powerful nation on earth, and likely the world's first true superpower. Having mastered agriculture and irrigation to an unprecedented degree, they were likely the first country in the world with essentially unlimited resources of the kind they needed to thrive and grow. That afforded them the largesse to do things like dedicate whole sectors of their economy to building huge beautiful things.
 
2012-09-28 09:33:55 AM  

nmemkha: jjwars1: DigitalCoffee: ~6000 years ago it did not rain continuously for 40 days covering the entire earth in 5000+ feet of rainwater.

I'm pretty sure Noah's Ark was not meant to be taken literally.

It makes more sense as a sci-fi sotry anyway with the ark being a UFO.

In any case, it not the only literary reference to such a story: The Epic of Gilgamesh parallels much of the early concepts found in Genesis.


Not only that, the story of Noah was a well-known story of a real Babylonian merchant who was stuck on a raft with his sons and livestock (to be sold) on a flooding river.
 
2012-09-28 09:36:56 AM  

thecpt: The confederacy wasn't antisemitic. Thats probably my fav as it shut up my gov/law professor who was trying talk about how the south probably still doesn't like jews (he was talking out his ass).

Thats why there wasn't a cross on their flag, they didn't want exclude the jewish faith.


The Confederacy wasn't SPECIFICALLY anti-Semitic. The times, though, were.

// generally speaking
// TJ was pretty cool with Jews, the KKK was not
// these are two data points - go and learn
 
2012-09-28 09:38:41 AM  

nmemkha: jjwars1: DigitalCoffee: ~6000 years ago it did not rain continuously for 40 days covering the entire earth in 5000+ feet of rainwater.

I'm pretty sure Noah's Ark was not meant to be taken literally.

It makes more sense as a sci-fi sotry anyway with the ark being a UFO.

In any case, it not the only literary reference to such a story: The Epic of Gilgamesh parallels much of the early concepts found in Genesis.


There are quite a few flood stories throughout the world. Anthropologists think that this probably comes from the fact that early agriculture happened in flood plains and floods were a regular part of the yearly cycle. It would be normal for a story to come about with the flood being the work of God sweeping away the evil people. After all, the people who told the story were the ones who survived and must be favored by the gods.

My own belief, though, is that there was a particularly devastating flood very early in human history, (heck, we may not have even been homo sapiens yet) that is the basis for the flood stories that are told worldwide. Of course devastating flood != worldwide flood, but it could certainly feel that way when they wind up floating for ages and eventually come to a landing in unfamiliar territory.
 
2012-09-28 09:46:29 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Wow. I did not know that midget porn has been popular since the ancient Greek era.

I guess it is possible to learn something new..


You joke, but it's true. The Romans had lady midget gladiators. Their dinner parties were basically Borderlands.
 
2012-09-28 09:50:52 AM  

Felgraf: That would be a prime point to mention the whole "People thought the world was flat before Columbus!" thing

Which wasn't true. They'd known since the greeks the world was round (Hell, the Greeks figured it out by lunar eclipses! "Huh. The shadow we cast on the moon is round, so.. OH HOLY CRAP, THIS IS A SPHERE!"), and the Greek calculation of the circumfrence of the earth was remarkably close to accurate.

If I recall correctly, Columbus basically went "Nah, those greek dudes are wrong. The earth is totes smaller, and I can totally reach India if I sail west!". Thus, the reason people wouldn't fund him was less "You'll fall off the edge of the earth!" And more "Nnnnooo, you're just going to die out in the open ocean, and I'd really rather not waste my money, kthxbye." And had America not been in the way, they'd probably have been right...


Very true. They did think the planets were perfect spheres, with the Earth at the centre of the universe, but ever since we've seen ships coming over the horizon, we've known about the curvature of the Earth.
 
2012-09-28 09:51:55 AM  

Dr Dreidel: thecpt: The confederacy wasn't antisemitic. Thats probably my fav as it shut up my gov/law professor who was trying talk about how the south probably still doesn't like jews (he was talking out his ass).

Thats why there wasn't a cross on their flag, they didn't want exclude the jewish faith.

The Confederacy wasn't SPECIFICALLY anti-Semitic. The times, though, were.

// generally speaking
// TJ was pretty cool with Jews, the KKK was not
// these are two data points - go and learn


upload.wikimedia.org

The Secretary of State of the Confederacy, Judah Benjamin, was the first Jewish Cabinet member in North America. I think the anti-Jewish, anti-Catholic thing became a big deal during Reconstruction, but I can't remember why I think that.
 
2012-09-28 09:57:17 AM  

Dr Dreidel: The Confederacy wasn't SPECIFICALLY anti-Semitic. The times, though, were.

// generally speaking
// TJ was pretty cool with Jews, the KKK was not
// these are two data points - go and learn


Trying to learn more history (as always) Link
Link

This is from a quick google search (both are interesting reads). There seems to be several books on the subject too.
Of course the times were xenophobic. Don't tell me to "go and learn." Kind of dickish. Just saying.
 
2012-09-28 10:01:43 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Am article here over a year ago offered evidence that the pyramids of Egypt weren't just built by paid labourers, but *unionised* workers. That's getting pretty far from anything like slavery


Wouldnt being unionized be going around the scale and bring them back to slavery?
 
2012-09-28 10:03:25 AM  

imontheinternet: Dr Dreidel: thecpt: The confederacy wasn't antisemitic. Thats probably my fav as it shut up my gov/law professor who was trying talk about how the south probably still doesn't like jews (he was talking out his ass).

Thats why there wasn't a cross on their flag, they didn't want exclude the jewish faith.

The Confederacy wasn't SPECIFICALLY anti-Semitic. The times, though, were.

// generally speaking
// TJ was pretty cool with Jews, the KKK was not
// these are two data points - go and learn

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x270]

The Secretary of State of the Confederacy, Judah Benjamin, was the first Jewish Cabinet member in North America. I think the anti-Jewish, anti-Catholic thing became a big deal during Reconstruction, but I can't remember why I think that.


Because I brain-farted and the KKK wasn't formed until Reconstruction?

Regardless, what I'm saying is that there was lots of rampant anti-Semitism around - passion plays were still a thing (more in Europe than the US, owing to their higher number of Catholics), guys like Judah Benjamin were notable as exceptions (i.e. represented below their percentage of the population - contrasted to now, when we're overrepresented relative to population), Jews could be openly discriminated against (but they weren't alone), and there was (and still is, and existed long before there was an America) a pervasive attitude that Jews weren't and couldn't ever be Real Americans.
 
2012-09-28 10:05:05 AM  
Seriously though, my day could have been much better if I hadn't seen that thumbnail for the butt-chugging article on the sidebar...
 
2012-09-28 10:05:19 AM  

thecpt: Don't tell me to "go and learn." Kind of dickish. Just saying.


A play on Hillel's answer to the guy who wanted Hillel to teach him the Torah while he stood on one foot. Hillel responded: "That which is distasteful to you, do not do to your neighbor. The rest is extrapolation - go and learn."

// wasn't trying to be a dick
// got caught in the dick-crossfire
 
2012-09-28 10:16:13 AM  

Dr Dreidel: A play on Hillel's answer to the guy who wanted Hillel to teach him the Torah while he stood on one foot. Hillel responded: "That which is distasteful to you, do not do to your neighbor. The rest is extrapolation - go and learn."

// wasn't trying to be a dick
// got caught in the dick-crossfire


alright. we cool.
 
2012-09-28 10:31:18 AM  

Dr Dreidel: // wasn't trying to be a dick
// got caught in the dick-crossfire


I think I have that DVD.
 
2012-09-28 10:56:00 AM  

QT_3.14159: My own belief, though, is that there was a particularly devastating flood very early in human history, (heck, we may not have even been homo sapiens yet) that is the basis for the flood stories that are told worldwide. Of course devastating flood != worldwide flood, but it could certainly feel that way when they wind up floating for ages and eventually come to a landing in unfamiliar territory.


I remember seeing a program the topic, one of the Bibe meets science things on History or some such. Take it with a grain of salt, but some of the experts presented where professors at various pertigious universities so one hopes its not too far out there. Anyway, the conjected that there was a huge flood of the Fertile Crecent in antiquity that was the basis flood myths. The also toyed with the idea is was caused by a Comet strike.
 
2012-09-28 11:20:35 AM  

Smoking GNU: I think it even says that in the Jewish version of the old testament, where it also says that the Jews were not, in fact, enslaved by Egypt.


The word "slave" as used in both the Old Testament and the New Testament has a very different meaning than what we think of. When Jesus talks about slaves serving their masters, he's not referring to property bought from boat freshly ported from Africa. It meant something else entirely and would have been heard completely differently than the way we read it today.
 
2012-09-28 11:27:10 AM  

jonny_q: The word "slave" as used in both the Old Testament and the New Testament has a very different meaning than what we think of. When Jesus talks about slaves serving their masters, he's not referring to property bought from boat freshly ported from Africa. It meant something else entirely and would have been heard completely differently than the way we read it today.


I don't think that's true as Bo Burnham pointed out
 
2012-09-28 11:28:25 AM  

brianbankerus: Wait, women can vote?


Yes and they suffer for it. I'm all for ending women's suffrage, haven't they suffered enough?
 
2012-09-28 11:31:49 AM  

meanmutton: KrispyKritter: I sound fat: I like misconception articles, but this one seemed mostly to be saying "its a misconception because I said it was" (Ie.. people werent shorter that much shorter in the past and its just in our head that the beds were smaller) I googled, no supporting data for this statement seems to exist.

Of course, I didnt look at every result on the internet, so he MIGHT have a point. it would be nice if he shared why he thougt that though. I am intrigued..

/ and there has to be penis joke in there about french feet being bigger than british feet, but im not touching it with a 10 french foot pole.

i too was expecting to see some stats about skeletons from the era, but no. no bones. i would like to have seen more about this. people may have been tall in the day due to clean air, water, plenty of exercise and unprocessed whole foods. or they may have been shorter because their diets were limited to pretty much what was available locally, and may have been slight malnourished because of it.

Quick question for you: is the air and water in the US more polluted today or was it more polluted in the 1970s?


1970's. At least around here. In the 70's there were two problems in the area I'm living in. The first being on a good day you could barely see 3 feet in front of you the pollution from the three steel mills around town was so bad. The second being that houses occasionally randomly blew the fark up, because the local refinery was dumping petroleum waste into the ground water and it occasionally seeped into houses and pooled in basements.

Tell me again how regulation is bad and the EPA needs to go, because I will call you a lair, a fool, and scum bag corporate pig dog.
 
2012-09-28 11:32:38 AM  

Saiga410: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Am article here over a year ago offered evidence that the pyramids of Egypt weren't just built by paid labourers, but *unionised* workers. That's getting pretty far from anything like slavery

Wouldnt being unionized be going around the scale and bring them back to slavery?


Spoken like a true moron.
 
2012-09-28 11:40:28 AM  

nmemkha: QT_3.14159: My own belief, though, is that there was a particularly devastating flood very early in human history, (heck, we may not have even been homo sapiens yet) that is the basis for the flood stories that are told worldwide. Of course devastating flood != worldwide flood, but it could certainly feel that way when they wind up floating for ages and eventually come to a landing in unfamiliar territory.

I remember seeing a program the topic, one of the Bibe meets science things on History or some such. Take it with a grain of salt, but some of the experts presented where professors at various pertigious universities so one hopes its not too far out there. Anyway, the conjected that there was a huge flood of the Fertile Crecent in antiquity that was the basis flood myths. The also toyed with the idea is was caused by a Comet strike.


I've read that they think this may have happened to the black sea. There's evidence that the black sea was once a freshwater lake that was lower than sea level,

Ah, found it.

Combining the two ideas (regular floods in floodvalleys and one large superflood) as the origin of the flood myth seems to me the most likely scenario.
 
2012-09-28 11:41:36 AM  

meanmutton: Quick question for you: is the air and water in the US more polluted today or was it more polluted in the 1970s?


Well, I don't think any rivers in Ohio have *caught fire* recently, so...
 
2012-09-28 11:43:12 AM  

WhyteRaven74: KrispyKritter:People in the past were shorter.


BTW,you listed Australia and Great Britian. During the Boxer Rebellion, Australia was in negotiations for a final independence resolution, and while they did send troops, are not present in the photograph. The guy to the American's (at least what I assume is the American) right is actually Russian.

upload.wikimedia.org

Russian Troops in Beijing shortly after the crisis. The Boxer Rebellion would actually be a lead up to the Russo-Japanese war, as the Russians continued to occupy Manchuria well after the end of the rebellion.
 
2012-09-28 11:51:19 AM  

mutterfark: ecmoRandomNumbers: Dead for Tax Reasons: Jesus was a white dude

You should see the Mormon Jesus. The portrait that is officially accepted by the LDS Church looks like Jesus has been surfing all summer and that's why he has blond hilights.

LDS Jesus: 'Well Stu I'll tell you, surfing's not a sport, it's a way of life, it's no hobby. It's a way of looking at that wave and saying, "Hey bud, let's party!' 

/nuthin' i got


"Bra! Don't worry about tomorrow ,man! Tomorrow will totally bring its own bogusness. Today's bummer is enough for today, dude." (Matthew 6:34)

thefamily.com
 
2012-09-28 12:34:45 PM  
I really wanted to check out the "Gods in Color" exhibit of reconstructed painted statues. Never got there, sadly.
 
2012-09-28 12:36:22 PM  

Dr Dreidel: thecpt: The confederacy wasn't antisemitic. Thats probably my fav as it shut up my gov/law professor who was trying talk about how the south probably still doesn't like jews (he was talking out his ass).

Thats why there wasn't a cross on their flag, they didn't want exclude the jewish faith.

The Confederacy wasn't SPECIFICALLY anti-Semitic. The times, though, were.

// generally speaking
// TJ was pretty cool with Jews, the KKK was not
// these are two data points - go and learn


Judah P. Benjamin agrees.
 
2012-09-28 12:37:50 PM  

imontheinternet: Dr Dreidel: thecpt: The confederacy wasn't antisemitic. Thats probably my fav as it shut up my gov/law professor who was trying talk about how the south probably still doesn't like jews (he was talking out his ass).

Thats why there wasn't a cross on their flag, they didn't want exclude the jewish faith.

The Confederacy wasn't SPECIFICALLY anti-Semitic. The times, though, were.

// generally speaking
// TJ was pretty cool with Jews, the KKK was not
// these are two data points - go and learn

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x270]

The Secretary of State of the Confederacy, Judah Benjamin, was the first Jewish Cabinet member in North America. I think the anti-Jewish, anti-Catholic thing became a big deal during Reconstruction, but I can't remember why I think that.


Crap. I really do need to read the entire thread befor I start posting.
 
2012-09-28 12:42:14 PM  

Felgraf: meanmutton: Quick question for you: is the air and water in the US more polluted today or was it more polluted in the 1970s?

Well, I don't think any rivers in Ohio have *caught fire* recently, so...


And was it more polluted in the 1950s than it was in the 1970s? My father, who graduated high school in 1955, told me that when he was a boy snow was only white for the first couple of hours after it fell. After that, it turned gray from all the coal soot in the air, and this is in a town of about 600 people.
 
2012-09-28 12:54:27 PM  
13. Custer died at the Little Bighorn

/supposing he didn't
 
2012-09-28 01:32:30 PM  
collider.com

Han did shot first.
 
2012-09-28 01:32:31 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Smoking GNU: I think it even says that in the Jewish version of the old testament, where it also says that the Jews were not, in fact, enslaved by Egypt

Well there's that, and also the Bible mentions them having weapons. Egyptian slaves did not have weapons. They also did not have their own towns to live and work in. But as for the pyramids and other large structures, they're built with a level of precision and craft that only someone, well lots of someones, with the proper training could manage. Oh sure any group of men could be made to drag a stone, but actually cutting it and smoothing it out so the corners are a nice 90 degrees and consistent stone after stone? That takes a fair amount of skill and knowledge. And then there's all the carving of stones at temples and making round columns and so on. Working in construction drew a lot of men to it, and once they had the training, then what? Well build more big stuff. Which in turn draws in more men, so you have this supply generation after generation of men who can build whatever you want as big as you want, and also quite quickly it should be noted given the level of technology they had. And of course if you're the pharaoh, treating the people you depend on so everyone can see how awesomely fantastic you are badly would not work well. If you want a temple to some god or other and you wanted it now, well going to have to make sure everyone is very well fed, well looked after and well paid. You can tell a soldier to suck it up if his rations for a few days are a bit measly, good luck telling a stone mason that.


urbanbeerhunt.com
Beats working in the fields.
 
2012-09-28 02:55:31 PM  

nmemkha: QT_3.14159: My own belief, though, is that there was a particularly devastating flood very early in human history, (heck, we may not have even been homo sapiens yet) that is the basis for the flood stories that are told worldwide. Of course devastating flood != worldwide flood, but it could certainly feel that way when they wind up floating for ages and eventually come to a landing in unfamiliar territory.

I remember seeing a program the topic, one of the Bibe meets science things on History or some such. Take it with a grain of salt, but some of the experts presented where professors at various pertigious universities so one hopes its not too far out there. Anyway, the conjected that there was a huge flood of the Fertile Crecent in antiquity that was the basis flood myths. The also toyed with the idea is was caused by a Comet strike.


The English, she is hard.
 
2012-09-28 03:00:43 PM  

give me doughnuts: Felgraf: meanmutton: Quick question for you: is the air and water in the US more polluted today or was it more polluted in the 1970s?

Well, I don't think any rivers in Ohio have *caught fire* recently, so...

And was it more polluted in the 1950s than it was in the 1970s? My father, who graduated high school in 1955, told me that when he was a boy snow was only white for the first couple of hours after it fell. After that, it turned gray from all the coal soot in the air, and this is in a town of about 600 people.


Yes. The Cuyahoga River has caught fire at least thirteen times, all of them between 1952 and 1969. This was a major driver of the environmental movement of the 1970s.
 
2012-09-28 03:35:04 PM  
The article actually made me realize something.

In mentioning Caligula, what we know of him we apparently know through writings by his political detractors, so the myths and movies based on them may be nothing more than fantasy wrought of the Roman Empire's version of the Tea Party.

I wonder if in a few millennium, when the US has long since fallen in much the same manner, someone will dig up ancient relics(political ads) by the GOP/Tea Party, and an Obama direct to mind video is made based on the "historical" information that was found...

I'm sure members of the modern Tea Party will only see "Obama = Caligula" in my post...
 
2012-09-28 03:53:55 PM  

miniflea: nmemkha: QT_3.14159: My own belief, though, is that there was a particularly devastating flood very early in human history, (heck, we may not have even been homo sapiens yet) that is the basis for the flood stories that are told worldwide. Of course devastating flood != worldwide flood, but it could certainly feel that way when they wind up floating for ages and eventually come to a landing in unfamiliar territory.

I remember seeing a program the topic, one of the Bibe meets science things on History or some such. Take it with a grain of salt, but some of the experts presented where professors at various pertigious universities so one hopes its not too far out there. Anyway, the conjected that there was a huge flood of the Fertile Crecent in antiquity that was the basis flood myths. The also toyed with the idea is was caused by a Comet strike.

I've read that they think this may have happened to the black sea. There's evidence that the black sea was once a freshwater lake that was lower than sea level,

Ah, found it.

Combining the two ideas (regular floods in floodvalleys and one large superflood) as the origin of the flood myth seems to me the most likely scenario.



They've actually found an ancient shoreline under 300 feet of water in the Black Sea off Turkey, with strong evidence of human habitation (structures, tool-worked timbers, etc.) dating from ~8,000 years ago.

At around the same time, early civilizations were starting to flourish elsewhere in Anatolia, not far away. So it's fairly reasonable to assume that other civilized people in the area, in a temperate climate and parked next to an unlimited fresh-water source, would be very prosperous. Hence the Atlantis myth, epic of Gilgamesh, Noah's Ark, and about a half-dozen other flood myths.
 
2012-09-28 05:00:03 PM  
3.

3. 3. 3.

I get so tired of reading scripts where the screenwriter has decided authentic old English is just anything that is full of thee and thines.

OLD ENGLISH, MOTHER FARKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

Because if you don't, don't wing it. Just make them speak regular English. It's not like we're a mere step away from thinking we've traveled in time, what with the popcorn and the guy next to us playing Mafia Wars on his phone.

/not that many people would be able to follow old English dialogue
//but 'it sounds way old to me' English is still not an acceptable substitute
 
2012-09-28 05:14:41 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: They've actually found an ancient shoreline under 300 feet of water in the Black Sea off Turkey, with strong evidence of human habitation (structures, tool-worked timbers, etc.) dating from ~8,000 years ago.

At around the same time, early civilizations were starting to flourish elsewhere in Anatolia, not far away. So it's fairly reasonable to assume that other civilized people in the area, in a temperate climate and parked next to an unlimited fresh-water source, would be very prosperous. Hence the Atlantis myth, epic of Gilgamesh, Noah's Ark, and about a half-dozen other flood myths.


While that would make sense for the regional myths it doesn't make much sense for other cultural flood stories on the other side of the globe like the Incan myth. Unless you really think that sometime after that there was a large tower and God struck the builder's changed their language and scattered them all over the world...
 
2012-09-28 05:26:03 PM  

asquian: The article actually made me realize something.

In mentioning Caligula, what we know of him we apparently know through writings by his political detractors, so the myths and movies based on them may be nothing more than fantasy wrought of the Roman Empire's version of the Tea Party.


Something similar happened to Richard III. When a hatchet job becomes great literature it can be hard to convince people it started out as a hatchet job.
 
2012-09-28 07:26:05 PM  
and that French feet were a bit longer than British feet, making Napoleon a whopping 5'6 1/2"

so ... he was short
 
2012-09-28 07:49:32 PM  

QT_3.14159: Mr_Fabulous: They've actually found an ancient shoreline under 300 feet of water in the Black Sea off Turkey, with strong evidence of human habitation (structures, tool-worked timbers, etc.) dating from ~8,000 years ago.

At around the same time, early civilizations were starting to flourish elsewhere in Anatolia, not far away. So it's fairly reasonable to assume that other civilized people in the area, in a temperate climate and parked next to an unlimited fresh-water source, would be very prosperous. Hence the Atlantis myth, epic of Gilgamesh, Noah's Ark, and about a half-dozen other flood myths.

While that would make sense for the regional myths it doesn't make much sense for other cultural flood stories on the other side of the globe like the Incan myth. Unless you really think that sometime after that there was a large tower and God struck the builder's changed their language and scattered them all over the world...


If Noah's Ark is really up on Mt Arrarat, then thats about how high it would be in the Andes mountains. Fascinating. How could that much water have coverd the earth and how long ago could that have been?
 
2012-09-28 08:47:38 PM  

Clash City Farker: How could that much water have coverd the earth and how long ago could that have been?


Short answer, it couldn't have.

Long answer, There's no way it couldn't have.
 
2012-09-28 09:12:35 PM  

K.B.O. Winston: I get so tired of reading scripts where the screenwriter has decided authentic old English is just anything that is full of thee and thines.


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Old English (first three lines of Beowulf):

"Hwæt! we Gar-Dena in gear-dagum,
þeod-cyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon."

What most people mean when they say "Old English" is "Early MODERN English" (as in, still intelligible to a modern English speaker who isn't a complete f*cking retard)

/ pet peeve
 
2012-09-28 09:31:38 PM  
Gather 'round kids, and let's give a whistle,
While I tell the story of Israel Bissell!
 
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