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2012-09-27 08:16:10 PM
20=30?
 
2012-09-27 08:18:29 PM

chupathingie: 20=30?


subby's on a roll
 
2012-09-27 08:20:20 PM
OS 8 and 9, I do miss your UI ...
 
2012-09-27 08:20:38 PM
WIndows XP hands down had the best scroll bars
 
2012-09-27 08:21:58 PM

Nadie_AZ: OS 8 and 9, I do miss your UI ...


Not I

/I still miss the Blue Apple in the mac menu bar. The black apple just looks so dull
 
2012-09-27 08:22:51 PM

cman: Nadie_AZ: OS 8 and 9, I do miss your UI ...

Not I

/I still miss the Blue Apple in the mac menu bar. The black apple just looks so dull


Before anyone calls me a moron let me add that my slashie was referring to OS X
 
2012-09-27 08:25:23 PM
Must be around my age, maybe a bit older.... 1990 was only like 10 years ago, still.
 
2012-09-27 08:28:12 PM
And don't forget scroll buttons!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-27 08:34:19 PM
chupathingie: 20=30?

enry: subby's on a roll


I know it's 30, but TFA says 20 as well - and it's pointed out in the comments (along with the requisite time travel jokes).

// submitter
 
2012-09-27 08:35:45 PM
When's the last time you actually clicked on a scrollbar to move it?

Every damn day.

Problem?
 
2012-09-27 08:36:06 PM
imageshack.us

Speaking of Linux scroll bars, does anyone hate the Ubuntu scrollbars as much as me? They always pop-out when I'm trying to resize panes and windows.
 
2012-09-27 08:36:36 PM
Also, you know what I hate.

I Excel (and also open office and libre office on the linux side).

Can I have a scrollbar that takes up the FULL WIDTH of the screen, instead of one that shares with the tabs for different sheets? Who thought it was a good idea to do this partial scrollbar shiat?
 
2012-09-27 08:37:38 PM
MrEricSir : Speaking of Linux scroll bars, does anyone hate the Ubuntu scrollbars as much as me?

You went full unity, you never go full unity.

// hated unity, went back to 10.04. I assume someone already created a way to fix the scrollbars in unity though.
 
2012-09-27 08:39:44 PM

lordargent: MrEricSir : Speaking of Linux scroll bars, does anyone hate the Ubuntu scrollbars as much as me?

You went full unity, you never go full unity.

// hated unity, went back to 10.04. I assume someone already created a way to fix the scrollbars in unity though.


This

I have no idea what Ubuntu is doing. Are they purposely shiatting all over their core base to force them to use a different distro?
 
2012-09-27 08:42:33 PM
I miss my left-sided NeXT scrollbars.
 
2012-09-27 08:43:41 PM
FTA: But the one thing all scrollbars have in common: we don't really need them any more.
At least, not for what they were originally intended. When's the last time you actually clicked on a scrollbar to move it? When's the last time you actually cared where the scrollbar was?


Today.

Scroll bar are still useful despite the mouse wheel. They tell us where we are in the document and give an impression of how big it is. They are the fastest way to go to a certain position in the document, like the middle of it or a quarter from the beginning or the end.

On touch screen operating systems, I use them all the time if the apps have them, again it is more convenient for fast navigation through a document than using the screen as a trackball.
 
2012-09-27 08:50:28 PM

lordargent: MrEricSir : Speaking of Linux scroll bars, does anyone hate the Ubuntu scrollbars as much as me?

You went full unity, you never go full unity.

// hated unity, went back to 10.04. I assume someone already created a way to fix the scrollbars in unity though.


You can run the newest version of Ubuntu. Just choose 'classic desktop' at the login screen. I've got gnome 2 running on mine. Unity is a really bad idea badly implemented, in my opinion.
 
2012-09-27 09:03:46 PM

Nadie_AZ: You can run the newest version of Ubuntu. Just choose 'classic desktop' at the login screen. I've got gnome 2 running on mine. Unity is a really bad idea badly implemented, in my opinion.


Wasn't that removed after 11.10?
 
2012-09-27 09:07:25 PM
What I miss is the clicking and holding the middle button to move stuff around. Works on older X app but newer ones go all windows-y.

Also:
www.shawcomputing.net
So perfectly angled.

/WindowMaker for me now
 
2012-09-27 09:09:54 PM
Thank God they didn't include the Athena Toolkit Scrollbar. The faster that one is forgotten, the better.
 
2012-09-27 09:15:38 PM
Who the hell thought it would be a good idea for the Up and Down buttons to both be on the bottom of the bar?

NeXTstep and OS X? Oh, so it was Steve Jobs's good idea, then.

/I must be holding it wrong.
 
2012-09-27 09:16:15 PM

Porous Horace: What I miss is the clicking and holding the middle button to move stuff around. Works on older X app but newer ones go all windows-y.

Also:
[www.shawcomputing.net image 373x451]
So perfectly angled.

/WindowMaker for me now


Most WMs still do meta/alt click to move windows around.

Also, I've not used WindowMaker for years. I remember when Ullrich made his wmakerconf / wprefs / whatever it was called that would let you dynamically configure the thing. Before that, you had to edit the rc file.

Good times.
 
2012-09-27 09:19:39 PM

cman: lordargent: MrEricSir : Speaking of Linux scroll bars, does anyone hate the Ubuntu scrollbars as much as me?

You went full unity, you never go full unity.

// hated unity, went back to 10.04. I assume someone already created a way to fix the scrollbars in unity though.

This

I have no idea what Ubuntu is doing. Are they purposely shiatting all over their core base to force them to use a different distro?


I personally think that linux developers (who never have even the tiniest bit of training in UI designs) change shiat because they always believe they can do something better than what was done before, even if the previous design was popular. They don't bother asking anyone's opinion. They just do it. And when people biatch about their shiatty design, the standard response is, "it's for intelligent people!" or "you'll learn to like it, trust me." Fortunately, being Linux, you can ignore them and install something that actually works.

/Unity sucks
 
2012-09-27 09:20:11 PM

Thrakkerzog: Nadie_AZ: You can run the newest version of Ubuntu. Just choose 'classic desktop' at the login screen. I've got gnome 2 running on mine. Unity is a really bad idea badly implemented, in my opinion.

Wasn't that removed after 11.10?


Ah. I am using 11.04. Maybe. God I hope not. How stupid.
 
2012-09-27 09:22:18 PM
XFCE forever
 
2012-09-27 09:23:08 PM

Nadie_AZ: Thrakkerzog: Nadie_AZ: You can run the newest version of Ubuntu. Just choose 'classic desktop' at the login screen. I've got gnome 2 running on mine. Unity is a really bad idea badly implemented, in my opinion.

Wasn't that removed after 11.10?

Ah. I am using 11.04. Maybe. God I hope not. How stupid.


It's still available, but you'll have to install a bunch of packages.
 
2012-09-27 09:24:00 PM
For you windoze people, a windows manager is a tool that allows you to open a dozen terminals at once.
 
2012-09-27 09:24:02 PM

Nadie_AZ: Thrakkerzog: Nadie_AZ: You can run the newest version of Ubuntu. Just choose 'classic desktop' at the login screen. I've got gnome 2 running on mine. Unity is a really bad idea badly implemented, in my opinion.

Wasn't that removed after 11.10?

Ah. I am using 11.04. Maybe. God I hope not. How stupid.


I can tell you that 12.04 removed it completely. I installed KDE after that.
 
2012-09-27 09:24:17 PM
No love for BeOS scrollbars? I am disappoint.
 
2012-09-27 09:25:21 PM

OgreMagi: It's still available, but you'll have to install a bunch of packages.


Not quite. The packages with Canonicals modifications aren't being built or updated anymore. Are you thinking of gnome-shell?
 
2012-09-27 09:26:52 PM
Also missing riscos:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-27 09:27:30 PM

Millennium: No love for BeOS scrollbars? I am disappoint.


*sigh*

/hung on to the bitter end
 
2012-09-27 09:30:08 PM

lordargent: chupathingie: 20=30?

enry: subby's on a roll

I know it's 30, but TFA says 20 as well - and it's pointed out in the comments (along with the requisite time travel jokes).

// submitter


Well it is gizmodo.
 
2012-09-27 09:30:21 PM

Thrakkerzog: OgreMagi: It's still available, but you'll have to install a bunch of packages.

Not quite. The packages with Canonicals modifications aren't being built or updated anymore. Are you thinking of gnome-shell?


I'm running 12.04.1 LTS and log in with classic so I don't have to deal with that abortion called Unity.
 
2012-09-27 09:30:36 PM

Nadie_AZ: Millennium: No love for BeOS scrollbars? I am disappoint.

*sigh*

/hung on to the bitter end


I so wanted to install BeOS, but it didn't support the scsi card I had at the time. Missed opportunity.

Atheos is similar: http://atheos.syllable.org/index.html

I just don't have the time anymore.
 
2012-09-27 09:31:41 PM
SCROLL-BAR RAGE!

/!!!
 
2012-09-27 09:33:52 PM

OgreMagi: Thrakkerzog: OgreMagi: It's still available, but you'll have to install a bunch of packages.

Not quite. The packages with Canonicals modifications aren't being built or updated anymore. Are you thinking of gnome-shell?

I'm running 12.04.1 LTS and log in with classic so I don't have to deal with that abortion called Unity.


Do applets still work? gnome-shell and gnome-panel are not the same as what Canonical had with 11.10.

I tried unity for a few days, but it was dumb and far too rigid. I have a laptop and an external monitor (both enabled), and the launcher insisted on being on the external panel, left side. I'd have to rearrange my desk and put the laptop on the right for that to make any sense since the panel was between the left and right screen.
 
2012-09-27 09:40:40 PM

Thrakkerzog: Nadie_AZ: Millennium: No love for BeOS scrollbars? I am disappoint.

*sigh*

/hung on to the bitter end

I so wanted to install BeOS, but it didn't support the scsi card I had at the time. Missed opportunity.

Atheos is similar: http://atheos.syllable.org/index.html

I just don't have the time anymore.


Yeah. The feeling when it became obvious was ... yeah. No USB support, and the network stack was pretty bad. I wanted Dano, but wasn't able to get it.
 
2012-09-27 09:42:19 PM

MrEricSir: [imageshack.us image 485x329]

Speaking of Linux scroll bars, does anyone hate the Ubuntu scrollbars as much as me? They always pop-out when I'm trying to resize panes and windows.


Yes, that shiat's retarded. I use KDE because of retarded shiat like that.

"don't really need them any more"

speak for yourself dumbass. Just because Gizmodo has some retarded scrolling issues and will later be laughed at as the worst web design of the 2010s, doesn't mean the rest of use are like you.

"When's the last time you actually clicked on a scrollbar to move it?"

Today. I use a wheel mouse on my desktop and I can two-finger scroll on my laptop like a normal person, but the scroll still gets used sometimes. It depends on what you're doing, but hey, you're just a Gizmodo writer, so you shouldn't be expected to know shiat about computers.
 
2012-09-27 09:56:11 PM
Notice Windows 1985 copies Macintosh 1984, not Xerox Star 1981.
 
2012-09-27 10:11:47 PM
put "counting" on a list of things that gizmodo can't get right.

/on the other hand - perhaps we should just start a list of what gizmodo gets right
//that would be a much shorter list
 
2012-09-27 10:27:45 PM
Whatever, fark the new OSX Lion scroll bars. They're fine when you can use the touchpad to scroll, but God forbid someone (like my company) uses a farking web-based billing/time management web interface with individual frames that each require a scroll bar. Unless you actually click in the individual frame, you can't scroll up and down in it. So we got accustomed to grabbing the damn scroll bar from outside the window to go up and down lists.

When Apple turned off the scroll bars completely, it was unusable. Then when I restored them (turned them on permanently), they're so goddamn tiny you have to farking WORK to hit it. So it's barely usable.

We get it, Apple - people should get with the program. But if people can't, you could at least provide a workable solution in the meantime. Or admit you're only going to make tablets and phones in the future, and quit teasing me with your sexy, sexy MBPs.
 
2012-09-27 10:29:36 PM

Thrakkerzog: Porous Horace: What I miss is the clicking and holding the middle button to move stuff around. Works on older X app but newer ones go all windows-y.

Also:
[www.shawcomputing.net image 373x451]
So perfectly angled.

/WindowMaker for me now

Most WMs still do meta/alt click to move windows around.

Also, I've not used WindowMaker for years. I remember when Ullrich made his wmakerconf / wprefs / whatever it was called that would let you dynamically configure the thing. Before that, you had to edit the rc file.

Good times.


Not move windows around. Move around content inside of a window.
 
2012-09-27 10:35:30 PM
I miss the whole NeXT interface. OS X is currently...fine. But so much was lost in the transition.
 
2012-09-27 11:04:15 PM

Thrakkerzog: Nadie_AZ: Millennium: No love for BeOS scrollbars? I am disappoint.

*sigh*

/hung on to the bitter end

I so wanted to install BeOS, but it didn't support the scsi card I had at the time. Missed opportunity.

Atheos is similar: http://atheos.syllable.org/index.html

I just don't have the time anymore.


I believe that Haiku is the OS you want.
 
2012-09-27 11:51:18 PM

MrEricSir: [imageshack.us image 485x329]

Speaking of Linux scroll bars, does anyone hate the Ubuntu scrollbars as much as me? They always pop-out when I'm trying to resize panes and windows.


There's a reason Mint has been taking Ubuntu's place.
 
2012-09-27 11:55:14 PM
gnome 3 and gnome-shell work pretty good for me, even though it doesn't like greater than 2 nvidia monitors (my experience),

page up and down got the scrolling taken care of in most applications, same with the left/right arrow keys

windows/super key to see all apps, can just start typing to start/find any app
alt tab to switch between apps
alt - backtick to switch between windows within an app
alt -F2 to run a command, hold shift and hit enter to run it in a terminal

and my favorites work in windows, too:
alt-spacebar for window controls
alt-spacebar then n to minimize
alt-spacebar then x to maximize


Scroll bars are cute. Remember when setting the colors in javascript was all the rage?
 
2012-09-27 11:57:17 PM
Nadie_AZ: You can run the newest version of Ubuntu. Just choose 'classic desktop' at the login screen.

When I have a decent chunk of contiguous free time, I'll try it again.

I had installed it on my guinea pig machine (a netbook), played with Unity and said "nahh, no reason to upgrade my desktop", then I installed Mint on the netbook, and didn't care for what they did there either.

OgreMagi: For you windoze people, a windows manager is a tool that allows you to open a dozen terminals at once.

lordargent.com
 
2012-09-28 12:03:23 AM
People who moved to Ubuntu because it was easy to install and easy to configure (vs being dumbed down like windows or locked down like OSX) are now running from Ubuntu because Shuttleworth wants to dumb it down for the 'common' user.

So they're doing all of this stuff to make it shiny and new in order to attract new users, but in the process, are alienating old users. 

cloudfront.omgubuntu.co.uk
 
2012-09-28 12:11:26 AM
Keep farking that chicken, Gizmodo.
 
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