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(The Daily Beast)   Catholics are fleeing Romney for Obama. This is bad news for... well, it's bad news for Romney, obviously   (andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com ) divider line
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2012-09-27 04:13:04 PM  
interesting indeed.

it ain't over 'till it's over, but it's looking pretty dire for ol' mittens. which is why i think they must have some october surprise in the offing. either that or they've got such a voter suppression scheme going that they think they can win ohio and/or florida.
 
2012-09-27 04:16:24 PM  
Ryan is pushing Catholics towards the guy who wants to make them pay for birth control.

hahahahahahahhaha
 
2012-09-27 04:24:08 PM  
On June 17, Obama held a slight edge over Mitt Romney among Catholics (49 percent to 47 percent), according to the Pew Research Center. Since then, Obama has surged ahead, and now leads 54 percent to 39 percent, according to a Pew poll conducted Sept. 16. Among all registered voters, Obama leads Romney 51 percent to 42 percent, according to Pew. Obama and Romney are essentially tied among white Catholics, which some pollsters call the ultimate swing group.

Mormons always looked at Christianity as a 2 horse race - either Catholics were right (and all sects descended from them) or the Mormons were right. Protestants split from Catholics (as did the Orthodox) and everyone else came from the Protestants. Mormons claimed their church had died out before the Catholic church began and was then rebooted in 1820 with Joe Smith. Catholics pay this no mind, but Mormons (that I knew) did not.

Anyways, I find this a bit amusing. The religion that Mormons picked on the most is the one their representative (and he really is this- just see the 'Fast and Pray for him' emails going around) needs to help win.
 
2012-09-27 04:24:47 PM  
Who the heck still polls registered voters?
 
2012-09-27 04:28:54 PM  
I think anything not trapped in a cage and strapped to Mitt's station-wagon roof is fleeing him right now.
 
2012-09-27 04:30:45 PM  

adiabat: Who the heck still polls registered voters?


Gosh darn it, it is friggin' nuts, I tell ya!
 
2012-09-27 04:55:31 PM  

Aarontology: Ryan is pushing Catholics towards the guy who wants to make them pay for birth control.

hahahahahahahhaha


A lot of catholics are less offended by paying for birth control for, as Mr. Limbaugh so gently put it "A Slut" - than they are at being used as a tool for ignorance and greed.

There was this Jesus guy a long time ago, who spoke extensively on the duty of every person to protect and help anyone who asks for help - but didn't actually talk about sluttiness, except to caution those who wanted to punish them for their perceived wrongs.
 
2012-09-27 04:58:12 PM  

MisterTweak: Aarontology: Ryan is pushing Catholics towards the guy who wants to make them pay for birth control.

hahahahahahahhaha

A lot of catholics are less offended by paying for birth control for, as Mr. Limbaugh so gently put it "A Slut" - than they are at being used as a tool for ignorance and greed.

There was this Jesus guy a long time ago, who spoke extensively on the duty of every person to protect and help anyone who asks for help - but didn't actually talk about sluttiness, except to caution those who wanted to punish them for their perceived wrongs.


Oh, I know.

But I also remember a few months ago when that was a big thing how everyone thought there could be a Catholic backlash of sorts.

Turns out they care more about the social justice aspects of their faith then the social conservatism aspects of their faith. And the GOP has Ryan to thank for making them choose (see what I did there?)
 
2012-09-27 05:02:13 PM  
i think the 47 percent thing really grated against old-school catholics.
 
2012-09-27 05:16:49 PM  

FlashHarry: it ain't over 'till it's over, but it's looking pretty dire for ol' mittens. which is why i think they must have some october surprise in the offing.


Anything short of Romney stepping up to the podium mid-October, ripping off his shirt, grabbing a guitar and channeling Steve Vai to play the solo from Crossroads, and then announcing that he will divert budget money to build the Millenium Falcon, I don't see whatever surprise they have helping much.
 
2012-09-27 05:50:57 PM  
Anybody that really thought that most Catholics would be upset about Obamacare forcing Catholic business entities to provide birth control to their workers did not know your average Catholics too well.
 
2012-09-27 05:52:55 PM  
And subby, you're wrong. It's bad news for OBAMA. EVERYTHING is ALWAYS bad news for OBAMA.
 
2012-09-27 05:53:39 PM  
Are any of you practicing Catholics?
 
2012-09-27 05:55:49 PM  

UberDave: Anything short of Romney stepping up to the podium mid-October, ripping off his shirt, grabbing a guitar and channeling Steve Vai to play the solo from Crossroads, and then announcing that he will divert budget money to build the Millenium Falcon, I don't see whatever surprise they have helping much.


Obama being caught with a live boy or a dead hooker
 
2012-09-27 05:56:04 PM  
I wonder what percentage of these shifts is due to the "nobody likes a loser" theory, the fairweather fan.
 
2012-09-27 05:56:07 PM  

Aarontology: Turns out they care more about the social justice aspects of their faith then the social conservatism aspects of their faith.


THIS is what Christ would want. I live in Florida Panhandle which is pretty much 70-80% deepest, darkest Derpistan. Or local newspaper polls (Northwest Florida Daily News -- one of the single most submitted and approved links for FARK 'FLORIDA" stories) believe Obama is not a US citizen (70% of respondents). The McCain-Palin support here was at 80%. Romney support estimated at close to 70%. I became a Catholic convert for the sake of my wife, but enjoy much of the history and even the legends of some of the 'Saints'. I like the teachings of loving one another and being 'my brother's keeper'. I credit the Catholics for their role in hospital and school formation. I make no excuses their role in the Crusades, the fights against Protestant Reformation, The Inquisition or the ignoring of fascism in Italy, Germany, and Europe. I am amazed at the growing number of intelligent people that reject the message of hatred, fear and demonizing the poor. We have miles to go, but I am encouraged. I understand many of you have issues with not only Catholicism, but with organized religion and belief in a higher power/divinity in general. I am truly sorry for those of you have harmed in the name of 'Christianity'. I have been called 'foolish' and 'stupid' in my life for a myriad of reasons.... and that's just here on FARK.

I may not always be a good ambassador of kindness and love. But I stand on the side of love, compassion and laughter... and wieners and boobies... and pie, chocolate, ice cream and sweet, crispy bacon. I am registered as an "Independent" here in Florida (No Party Affiliation, officially). Both my wife and I (She's a registered Republican) will be voting for Obama.

www.catholicchapterhouse.com

Spaghetti suppers, blood drives, pancake breakfasts, the occasional pedophile cleric, Knights of Columbus dressed like vampires wearing Royal Navy admiralty hats, wacky saints, candles, ridiculous hats. Truly, there is something for everybody.

Catholics, Hey at least we're not Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses. amirite?
 
2012-09-27 05:57:18 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Anybody that really thought that most Catholics would be upset about Obamacare forcing Catholic business entities to provide birth control to their workers did not know your average Catholics too well.


There were some who thought that Bill Donohue is some standard bearer for the RCC when, in fact, he's more of a pain in the ass for them than anything else.

But yes, basically to think there would be a Catholic backlash over birth control is to ignore the frequently noted percentage of Catholics in the US who have used birth control in spite of the official prohibition with regards to such means.

It was just one of many attempts by the GOP to make hay out of something trivial.
 
2012-09-27 05:58:16 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Anybody that really thought that most Catholics would be upset about Obamacare forcing Catholic business entities to provide birth control to their workers did not know your average Catholics too well.


Yeah, this. The Republican Party being strong with the Catholic vote is relatively new anyway. Catholic voters have traditionally been economically liberal, socially conservative. The economic liberal part often put them at odds with the Republicans.
 
2012-09-27 06:00:55 PM  

Dahnkster: I make no excuses their role in the Crusades, the fights against Protestant Reformation, The Inquisition or the ignoring of fascism in Italy, Germany, and Europe.


Eh, most of that had everything to do with politics and very little to do with religion except as a very thin veneer of PR.

But, outside of the leadership roles (and I do think that most in the lower-ranks of the clergy are basically good people), most Catholics these days are a lot more fun to be around than Protestants. Especially since Catholics like to drink.
 
2012-09-27 06:01:30 PM  

coco ebert: Lando Lincoln: Anybody that really thought that most Catholics would be upset about Obamacare forcing Catholic business entities to provide birth control to their workers did not know your average Catholics too well.

Yeah, this. The Republican Party being strong with the Catholic vote is relatively new anyway. Catholic voters have traditionally been economically liberal, socially conservative. The economic liberal part often put them at odds with the Republicans.


Yeah but now apparently being your brother's keeper is a liberal idea, so...
 
2012-09-27 06:01:36 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?


I would bet that they only actual practicing Catholics in the USA are a few 80 year old Mexican Polish, Irish and Italian women.

Other than that, no, there aren't any practicing Catholics anymore.
 
2012-09-27 06:04:48 PM  

vernonFL: TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?

I would bet that they only actual practicing Catholics in the USA are a few 80 year old Mexican Polish, Irish and Italian women.

Other than that, no, there aren't any practicing Catholics anymore.


I'll mention your well-informed opinion in my parish.
 
2012-09-27 06:08:32 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?


Yeah, some of us, but we tend more to Social Justice part of the faith than the Paul Ryan/Mel Gibson authotitarian part.
 
2012-09-27 06:10:14 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Dahnkster: I make no excuses their role in the Crusades, the fights against Protestant Reformation, The Inquisition or the ignoring of fascism in Italy, Germany, and Europe.

Eh, most of that had everything to do with politics and very little to do with religion except as a very thin veneer of PR.

But, outside of the leadership roles (and I do think that most in the lower-ranks of the clergy are basically good people), most Catholics these days are a lot more fun to be around than Protestants. Especially since Catholics like to drink.


Well, you have wine for breakfast every Sunday and see how you turn out.
 
2012-09-27 06:14:18 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?


No, but I also stopped pretending pro wrestling was real, too.
 
2012-09-27 06:14:49 PM  
What Catholics fleeing might look like:

i1079.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-27 06:16:52 PM  
On the whole, I find Catholics and Anglicans to be very reasonable people. I am not surprised those groups are breaking for Obama.
 
2012-09-27 06:20:29 PM  

ghare: On the whole, I find Catholics and Anglicans to be very reasonable people. I am not surprised those groups are breaking for Obama.


I think Lutherans can be quite reasonable.
 
2012-09-27 06:22:50 PM  
Perhap the statistics are biased?

www.sltrib.com
 
2012-09-27 06:26:13 PM  

FlashHarry: it ain't over 'till it's over


Nope, it's over.

Barring a full-scale war breaking out, or a crash of the economy (+2% unemployment rate, or a sector collapse) Obama is getting 4 more years.

Not even worried about it. All over. Done. I'll still be voting, even though it doesn't matter in this state for CINC. My whole region is going Blue except for maybe NH, and I think they'll go Blue because the base is severely depressed about their candidate.

They had a clown car of candidates and picked the least horrible one because Huntsman just never caught on during their derpfest. He refused to bow down to their incredibly infantile level. I respect him for that and would have seriously considered him as a candidate.

Mittens will be buying a sports team in the Winter and will be done destroying it by next Fall. Book it. Done!
 
2012-09-27 06:27:08 PM  
I've never actually met a Catholic who was against birth control....
Well, except for maybe a few old ladies.

What the Vatican preaches is ignored by most of them.
 
2012-09-27 06:29:31 PM  

vernonFL: TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?

I would bet that they only actual practicing Catholics in the USA are a few 80 year old Mexican Polish, Irish and Italian women.

Other than that, no, there aren't any practicing Catholics anymore.


I'm not practicing, but I've done ever sacrament other than last rites up til now. Whole extended family is Catholic with a couple scattered Evangelicals.
 
2012-09-27 06:30:52 PM  
Once a long time ago, there was a particular monastery which had a rule of silence. It was the most severe of monasteries which allowed the candidates to only speak two words per year to the Rector.

One particular candidate suffered the silence for the first year with difficulty but he thought hard about what he would say. On the first anniversary he came to the Rector and said his two treasured words. "Bed Hard"

The second year he again came to the Rector with his two well thought out words on the anniversary of his coming into the monastery. He said: "Food Cold".

The third year he came to the Rector and again with much thought and prayer gave his two word response" "I Quit".

The Rector replied: "I'm certainly not surprised. All you have done since you got here is complain."
 
2012-09-27 06:35:32 PM  

Dahnkster: Once a long time ago, there was a particular monastery which had a rule of silence. It was the most severe of monasteries which allowed the candidates to only speak two words per year to the Rector.

One particular candidate suffered the silence for the first year with difficulty but he thought hard about what he would say. On the first anniversary he came to the Rector and said his two treasured words. "Bed Hard"

The second year he again came to the Rector with his two well thought out words on the anniversary of his coming into the monastery. He said: "Food Cold".

The third year he came to the Rector and again with much thought and prayer gave his two word response" "I Quit".

The Rector replied: "I'm certainly not surprised. All you have done since you got here is complain."


+1
 
2012-09-27 06:52:47 PM  
I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.
 
2012-09-27 06:55:11 PM  

fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.


Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.
 
2012-09-27 06:58:28 PM  

simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.


Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.
 
2012-09-27 07:05:32 PM  

UberDave: FlashHarry: it ain't over 'till it's over, but it's looking pretty dire for ol' mittens. which is why i think they must have some october surprise in the offing.

Anything short of Romney stepping up to the podium mid-October, ripping off his shirt, grabbing a guitar and channeling Steve Vai to play the solo from Crossroads, and then announcing that he will divert budget money to build the Millenium Falcon, I don't see whatever surprise they have helping much.


LOL!

I think this election cycle is about ratings for Fox/CNN et.all and has nothing to do with actual policy or governance. Hard to tell whether or not the Romney's think they really have a chance at winning but I wouldn't be surprised if they stood to earn a lot more money by losing. The POTUS has lots of power in one sense but he (or she someday) really has no private life to speak of and very little freedom of movement.
 
2012-09-27 07:06:16 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.

Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.


American Protestantism? Was this a backdrop? America was founded by protesants of many stripes.
 
2012-09-27 07:08:39 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.


It is interesting that when I was a wee boy, we were taught that we were Mormon, not Christian. This changed in the early 90s They weren't an offshoot and according to their religion, they aren't. They are a reboot of the original religion Jesus set up and was lost when he and his disciples were martyred.
 
2012-09-27 07:08:42 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.

Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.

American Protestantism? Was this a backdrop? America was founded by protesants of many stripes.


I'm not sure what sort of pedantic point you're trying to make, here.
 
2012-09-27 07:09:17 PM  

Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.

It is interesting that when I was a wee boy, we were taught that we were Mormon, not Christian. This changed in the early 90s They weren't an offshoot and according to their religion, they aren't. They are a reboot of the original religion Jesus set up and was lost when he and his disciples were martyred.


This reinforces my feeling that, as a blanket statement, reboots suck.
 
2012-09-27 07:10:07 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.



i47.tinypic.com


"The Mormons are from Mars, Dad, we've had that checked out." (NSFW Language)

 
2012-09-27 07:12:11 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.

Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.


Depends on who you ask. Used to be they were Mormons not Christians. Kinda like how Ba'hai are Ba'hai, not Muslims.

Something changed though and now I hear a lot of "Mormons were always Christians".

I'm just fascinated by the birth of new religious sects, especially the more recent ones. Which ones stay small cults, which ones grow to multi-billion dollar enterprises. Like I said. It's fascinating.
 
2012-09-27 07:13:40 PM  

Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.

It is interesting that when I was a wee boy, we were taught that we were Mormon, not Christian. This changed in the early 90s They weren't an offshoot and according to their religion, they aren't. They are a reboot of the original religion Jesus set up and was lost when he and his disciples were martyred.


Don't quote me incorrectly. I never posted that comment.
 
2012-09-27 07:17:15 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: TheDumbBlonde: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.

Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.

American Protestantism? Was this a backdrop? America was founded by protesants of many stripes.

I'm not sure what sort of pedantic point you're trying to make, here.


Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.
 
2012-09-27 07:18:24 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlondetheotherperson: Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.

It is interesting that when I was a wee boy, we were taught that we were Mormon, not Christian. This changed in the early 90s They weren't an offshoot and according to their religion, they aren't. They are a reboot of the original religion Jesus set up and was lost when he and his disciples were martyred.

Don't quote me incorrectly. I never posted that comment.


Ah. Sorry. Didn't mean to pin anything on anyone. Just replying to what I saw.
 
2012-09-27 07:21:12 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: TheDumbBlonde: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.

Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.

American Protestantism? Was this a backdrop? America was founded by protesants of many stripes.

I'm not sure what sort of pedantic point you're trying to make, here.

Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.


You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).
 
2012-09-27 07:21:34 PM  

simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.


I just found out we have a WASPless SCOTUS right now, too. Three Jews and six Catholics. Interesting.

The End Of WASP-Dominated Politics
 
2012-09-27 07:26:06 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.


Um ...

meat0918: You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).


Ah. This has been taken care of.
 
2012-09-27 07:34:31 PM  

Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.

Um ...

meat0918: You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).

Ah. This has been taken care of.


The Western missionaries, and the Spaniards to the Florida south had ZERO to the founding of this country.
 
2012-09-27 07:38:21 PM  
I wonder how much of the split has to do with Hispanics, who are largely Catholic, voting D?
 
2012-09-27 07:42:10 PM  
Oh and don't forget the French, who were Catholic. They founded France. Oh and New Amsterdam, which was sort of a-religious. The Dutch founded that.
 
2012-09-27 07:42:47 PM  
Canada. Or New France. Either way.
 
2012-09-27 07:45:35 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Canada. Or New France. Either way.


Thanks for you remedial American History input.
 
2012-09-27 07:46:44 PM  

davidphogan: I wonder how much of the split has to do with Hispanics, who are largely Catholic, voting D?


Romney sealed up the hispanic voters when he related to them by appearing in brownface.
 
2012-09-27 07:50:59 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.

Um ...

meat0918: You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).

Ah. This has been taken care of.

The Western missionaries, and the Spaniards to the Florida south had ZERO to the founding of this country.


Yeah, because the only way you have influence on a society is if you write its founding documents.

You need to take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard.
 
2012-09-27 07:51:36 PM  
Wasn't Maryland also catholic?

;-)

Again, the original point TheDumbBlonde is that Mormons don't recognize themselves as offshoots of Protestantism, even though they were born in the fired coals of the Great Awakening in Western New York. So ... good question.
 
2012-09-27 07:57:17 PM  

Mugato: Romney sealed up the hispanic voters when he related to them by appearing in brownface.



Well, of course he did. Like the guy in the $10,000 suit is going to deal with the odor of those people!

COME ON!
 
2012-09-27 08:15:50 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.

Um ...

meat0918: You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).

Ah. This has been taken care of.

The Western missionaries, and the Spaniards to the Florida south had ZERO to the founding of this country.


Other than creating cities and pockets of" civilizations" that the Americans Conquered.


But historically speaking, Maryland was a Catholic colony. As for your original Statement: when I was a child, The Roman Catholic church considered Mormonism to be a Cult. Jehovah witnesses, Scientology are also in this classification.
 
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2012-09-27 08:25:15 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: vernonFL: TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?

I would bet that they only actual practicing Catholics in the USA are a few 80 year old Mexican Polish, Irish and Italian women.

Other than that, no, there aren't any practicing Catholics anymore.

I'll mention your well-informed opinion in my parish.


I am sure supply side Jesus will approve.
 
2012-09-27 08:41:49 PM  

Dahnkster: Aarontology: Turns out they care more about the social justice aspects of their faith then the social conservatism aspects of their faith.

THIS is what Christ would want. I live in Florida Panhandle which is pretty much 70-80% deepest, darkest Derpistan. Or local newspaper polls (Northwest Florida Daily News -- one of the single most submitted and approved links for FARK 'FLORIDA" stories) believe Obama is not a US citizen (70% of respondents). The McCain-Palin support here was at 80%. Romney support estimated at close to 70%. I became a Catholic convert for the sake of my wife, but enjoy much of the history and even the legends of some of the 'Saints'. I like the teachings of loving one another and being 'my brother's keeper'. I credit the Catholics for their role in hospital and school formation. I make no excuses their role in the Crusades, the fights against Protestant Reformation, The Inquisition or the ignoring of fascism in Italy, Germany, and Europe. I am amazed at the growing number of intelligent people that reject the message of hatred, fear and demonizing the poor. We have miles to go, but I am encouraged. I understand many of you have issues with not only Catholicism, but with organized religion and belief in a higher power/divinity in general. I am truly sorry for those of you have harmed in the name of 'Christianity'. I have been called 'foolish' and 'stupid' in my life for a myriad of reasons.... and that's just here on FARK.

I may not always be a good ambassador of kindness and love. But I stand on the side of love, compassion and laughter... and wieners and boobies... and pie, chocolate, ice cream and sweet, crispy bacon. I am registered as an "Independent" here in Florida (No Party Affiliation, officially). Both my wife and I (She's a registered Republican) will be voting for Obama.

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Spaghetti suppers, blood drives, pancake breakfasts, the occasional pedophile cleric, Knights of Columbus dressed li ...


Actually, I need to clear up a few misunderstandings.

The Crusades were actually a response to Moors incursion into Europe. The Pope at the time, was trying to solidify Europe as a united political power.

Second: The Catholic Church actually rallied against superstition, Ghost, witchcraft, Fairies and other such things were discounted as trickery/pagan stupidity. It wasn't until the Protestant Reformation did the Conservative side of the Catholic church became reactionary. The fear of loosing power allowed the more radical ones to "purify" the church by going back to "traditional values".
( Note: Martin Luther believed in Faries and demon possession. Not only that it was the Protestants who burned witches, Catholics fined them)

What actually did the church in was the fact that the Medici family got way too greedy and used the church as a political/financial power. It was actually the nobles of Europe than encouraged Protestant reformation in order to free the Church dominion over them.

The strange thing is the Church itself has always been split on this: On one hand they condemned Galileo, but the Jesuits were known as the scientific arm of the church-ready to discredit any "miracle" and founding schools. There were many monasteries that copied books of antiquities, did scientific research and created new alcohol. The monks also ran whore houses, raped women in the confessionals and were pedos...
 
2012-09-27 08:48:38 PM  

Nadie_AZ: adiabat: Who the heck still polls registered voters?

Gosh darn it, it is friggin' nuts, I tell ya!


I know. For example, if you poll 50% Democrats and 50% Republicans, it's a much closer race.
 
2012-09-27 08:51:51 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-27 08:53:04 PM  
Darth_Lukecash Your jib, I like the manner in which it is fashioned.
 
2012-09-27 08:53:49 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: TheDumbBlonde: Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.

Um ...

meat0918: You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).

Ah. This has been taken care of.

The Western missionaries, and the Spaniards to the Florida south had ZERO to the founding of this country.

Yeah, because the only way you have influence on a society is if you write its founding documents.

You need to take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard.


Cite these influences on the founding of this country. Please! Let's rewrite American history.
 
2012-09-27 09:27:27 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: TheDumbBlonde: Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.

Um ...

meat0918: You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).

Ah. This has been taken care of.

The Western missionaries, and the Spaniards to the Florida south had ZERO to the founding of this country.

Yeah, because the only way you have influence on a society is if you write its founding documents.

You need to take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard.

Cite these influences on the founding of this country. Please! Let's rewrite American history.


The founding fathers too influence form MANY sources, including ancient Greek/Romans, Montesquieu (french) Hobbes(english) and the Iroquois nations.

And perhaps the biggest reason why the Spanish had a bigger influence as explorers. When the Spanish first explored the continent, they believed that the population of Native Americans were between 20 and 100 million. The theory is that a plague wiped out 90% of the population, and that the disease actually came from exposure to the the conquistadors.

Of course it's just a theory, but there is a major difference from the first reports of the Spanish, and the early settlers.
 
2012-09-27 09:46:47 PM  
I"ve also fled the Catholic church. For the Episcopal one! They didn't try to tell me who to vote for, how to take care of my body, marriage, job, husband, etc, etc, etc,
 
2012-09-27 09:49:15 PM  

simplicimus: ghare: On the whole, I find Catholics and Anglicans to be very reasonable people. I am not surprised those groups are breaking for Obama.

I think Lutherans can be quite reasonable.


Sure, I'll indulge you. Oops! Sorry... I didn't... Ah, Hell.
 
2012-09-27 09:50:52 PM  

FlashHarry: interesting indeed.

it ain't over 'till it's over, but it's looking pretty dire for ol' mittens. which is why i think they must have some october surprise in the offing. either that or they've got such a voter suppression scheme going that they think they can win ohio and/or florida.


It was over for Mittens when the economy didn't tank. His whole premise was that he would be positioned as the default winner when things collapsed around Obama. But events haven't played out that way, cheap natural gas and a willing Fed have kept things afloat pretty well.
 
2012-09-27 09:50:56 PM  
Yeah, I'm not voting for either of them, but I can see this is gonna be a

LANDSLIDE!
 
2012-09-27 09:51:57 PM  
There's still a few weeks to go and they've just updated Romneybot with the Empathy 0.9 Beta software.

We'll see if a bug brings it down or if they can patch it quickly enough.
 
2012-09-27 09:52:06 PM  
Catholics don't want to vote for a heretic? you don't say!

/next you'll be telling me that the Imams in Iran won't vote for a lesbian female president to replace i'madinnerjacket.
//not 100% sure if LDS teachings are viewed as heresy by the vatican... but don't see why they wouldn't be.
 
2012-09-27 09:53:10 PM  

MisterTweak: A lot of catholics are less offended by paying for birth control for, as Mr. Limbaugh so gently put it "A Slut" - than they are at being used as a tool for ignorance and greed.


The whole 'you must pay for birth control' thing is only an issue for institutions that SELF-INSURE ... which means ... that they don't really insure, they just pay some servicing company to manage the billing aspects and pay out of pocket. Large companies with large numbers of young, healthy people and very small old or sick people... like hospitals, universities, schools...

oh snap... What do we Catholics (yes, I'm one) run a lot of ?

So the answer is that these institutions should just start buying health care like everyone else. More people in the pool, lower prices overall.

Thanks.
 
2012-09-27 09:56:03 PM  

FlashHarry: interesting indeed.

it ain't over 'till it's over, but it's looking pretty dire for ol' mittens. which is why i think they must have some october surprise in the offing. either that or they've got such a voter suppression scheme going that they think they can win ohio and/or florida.


Maybe the surprise is him dropping out of the race.

Did any candidate ever do that? My history-fu was never great.
 
2012-09-27 09:56:47 PM  
A response to http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/bishop-democrats-evils-soul-ser i ous-jeopardy or something they were going to do anyway?
 
2012-09-27 09:57:16 PM  

thrgd456: Yeah, I'm not voting for either of them, but I can see this is gonna be a

LANDSLIDE!


I would love a democratic landslide with great big fat coattails ... like 80 in the senate ... 320 in the House ... Just enough that each member could afford to 'take a stand' for their own issues that are important in their state and district.

And Lord, would it shut down the tea party. That's two electable candidates that they've gelded because they dragged them so far to the right and so out of the middle that they couldn't win.

The Reagan Democrats want good governance, not tax demagoguery.
 
2012-09-27 09:58:06 PM  
Hello? Anyone?
 
2012-09-27 09:58:51 PM  

Nadie_AZ: On June 17, Obama held a slight edge over Mitt Romney among Catholics (49 percent to 47 percent), according to the Pew Research Center. Since then, Obama has surged ahead, and now leads 54 percent to 39 percent, according to a Pew poll conducted Sept. 16. Among all registered voters, Obama leads Romney 51 percent to 42 percent, according to Pew. Obama and Romney are essentially tied among white Catholics, which some pollsters call the ultimate swing group.

Mormons always looked at Christianity as a 2 horse race - either Catholics were right (and all sects descended from them) or the Mormons were right. Protestants split from Catholics (as did the Orthodox) and everyone else came from the Protestants. Mormons claimed their church had died out before the Catholic church began and was then rebooted in 1820 with Joe Smith. Catholics pay this no mind, but Mormons (that I knew) did not.

Anyways, I find this a bit amusing. The religion that Mormons picked on the most is the one their representative (and he really is this- just see the 'Fast and Pray for him' emails going around) needs to help win.


What happened to all the (non-ex)Mormon denials about Romney's importance to Mormons this election?
Figures. Liars. Typical. 

/Mormons are smoking shiat to think they have anything to do with Christianity
//They're less biblical than Catholics
 
2012-09-27 10:01:30 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: FlashHarry: interesting indeed.

it ain't over 'till it's over, but it's looking pretty dire for ol' mittens. which is why i think they must have some october surprise in the offing. either that or they've got such a voter suppression scheme going that they think they can win ohio and/or florida.

It was over for Mittens when the economy didn't tank. His whole premise was that he would be positioned as the default winner when things collapsed around Obama. But events haven't played out that way, cheap natural gas and a willing Fed have kept things afloat pretty well.


Like others are saying in this thread: Watch Out For The October Surprise.
 
2012-09-27 10:02:09 PM  
Silly Christians! I'm off to rebuild the walls of Erech and slay Liza Minelli Huwawa.
 
2012-09-27 10:02:16 PM  

Aarontology: Ryan is pushing Catholics towards the guy who wants to make them pay for birth control.

hahahahahahahhaha


Speaking as a Catholic, I can tell you that I don't know a single Catholic that doesn't use birth control.
As the polls would seem to indicate, the very vocal conservative Catholic minority doesn't hold much water these days.
They've lost integrity worrying about how to protect too many child-diddling priests from prosecution.
 
2012-09-27 10:04:01 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: TheDumbBlonde: Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.

Um ...

meat0918: You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).

Ah. This has been taken care of.

The Western missionaries, and the Spaniards to the Florida south had ZERO to the founding of this country.

Other than creating cities and pockets of" civilizations" that the Americans Conquered.


But historically speaking, Maryland was a Catholic colony. As for your original Statement: when I was a child, The Roman Catholic church considered Mormonism to be a Cult. Jehovah witnesses, Scientology are also in this classification.


How old is TheDumbBlonde? Not a diss, I just know different eras taught different versions. Claiming Spain had nothing to do with the founding of this country is the worst type of Anglo-worship... we were supposed to be growing out of that, in this country's grade school history classes.
 
2012-09-27 10:04:04 PM  

Aarontology: Ryan is pushing Catholics towards the guy who wants to make them pay for birth control.

hahahahahahahhaha


If I recall correctly from the whole birth control kerfluffle, it was only Catholic leadership who had a problem with the bc mandate... American Catholics were overwhelmingly for it.
 
2012-09-27 10:06:38 PM  

Dahnkster: the occasional pedophile cleric


Not so occasional, bucko. The fact you support an organization that tacitly endorses child rape makes you a hypocrite at best, and a holier-than-thou coont at worst.
 
2012-09-27 10:06:46 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Darth_Lukecash: TheDumbBlonde: Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.

Um ...

meat0918: You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).

Ah. This has been taken care of.

The Western missionaries, and the Spaniards to the Florida south had ZERO to the founding of this country.

Other than creating cities and pockets of" civilizations" that the Americans Conquered.


But historically speaking, Maryland was a Catholic colony. As for your original Statement: when I was a child, The Roman Catholic church considered Mormonism to be a Cult. Jehovah witnesses, Scientology are also in this classification.

How old is TheDumbBlonde? Not a diss, I just know different eras taught different versions. Claiming Spain had nothing to do with the founding of this country is the worst type of Anglo-worship... we were supposed to be growing out of that, in this country's grade school history classes.


Please explain how Spain had anything to do with the founding of America. You don't out-grow history.
 
2012-09-27 10:06:56 PM  
I voted for Obama in 08 (I'm from Mississippi so this is saying something)

Liked his message, more transparent less political etc.

He hasn't lived up to any of that. Our country is more polarized than ever, Muslims still hate us.

I'm 4 years older, married, kid on the way so maybe ive outgrown the blind optimism, but seriously

Why would anybody vote for Obama?

Healthcare reform? Negative, single payer would have been much better ( he had the house and a senate super majority. It should have been done)

Stimulus? Negative, more people are out of work today than ever before.

Not saying I'll vote for Romney but Obama had his shot. Fail
 
2012-09-27 10:08:39 PM  

FlashHarry: i think the 47 percent thing really grated against old-school catholics.


That's what flipped my father in law from Anyone But Obama to Obama or just stay home.

He was genuinely pissed.
 
2012-09-27 10:09:10 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: He hasn't lived up to any of that. Our country is more polarized than ever, Muslims still hate us.


LOL. When did Obama say he was going to make the Muslims not hate us anymore?

Why would anybody vote for Obama?

Because the alternative is farking horrendous.
 
2012-09-27 10:10:45 PM  
I just asked my dad about Ponce de Leon's contribution to the founding of America: He got pissed, and went on a rant about Hernando de Soto.
 
2012-09-27 10:11:08 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: FlashHarry: interesting indeed.

it ain't over 'till it's over, but it's looking pretty dire for ol' mittens. which is why i think they must have some october surprise in the offing. either that or they've got such a voter suppression scheme going that they think they can win ohio and/or florida.

It was over for Mittens when the economy didn't tank. His whole premise was that he would be positioned as the default winner when things collapsed around Obama. But events haven't played out that way, cheap natural gas and a willing Fed have kept things afloat pretty well.

Like others are saying in this thread: Watch Out For The October Surprise.


The only real surprise that could matter is a complete collapse of Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy, with rioting in the streets. Economic impacts take time to filter down to street level, one sudden event isn't going to sway the vote that much. And surprises tend to favor incumbents.
 
2012-09-27 10:11:27 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Healthcare reform? Negative, single payer would have been much better ( he had the house and a senate super majority. It should have been done)


He needed 60 votes. He did not have 60 votes. So, you're wrong.

GrizzlyPouch: Stimulus? Negative, more people are out of work today than ever before.


Stimulus actually helped to PREVENT more people from being fired because it flooded money into the economy at a time when people were cutting back on spending at all levels because of the financial collapse. This is economic fact. There are numbers and sh*t. See Europe? See how they reacted to the crisis by not doing stimulus? More people have jobs now than they would have had without a cash infusion to stem the tide of job losses. Yeah. FAIL!
 
2012-09-27 10:11:42 PM  

simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.


Isn't it One Mormon, two Catholics and one black liberation theology Christian?
 
2012-09-27 10:11:44 PM  

Mugato: GrizzlyPouch: He hasn't lived up to any of that. Our country is more polarized than ever, Muslims still hate us.

LOL. When did Obama say he was going to make the Muslims not hate us anymore?

Why would anybody vote for Obama?

Because the alternative is farking horrendous.


Obama did. He said that alot.
 
2012-09-27 10:12:06 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: What Catholics fleeing might look like:

[i1079.photobucket.com image 435x290]


www.libermortis.co.uk
It's a boardgame
 
2012-09-27 10:12:53 PM  

kimwim: Hello? Anyone?


welcometofark.jpg
 
2012-09-27 10:13:08 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?


I'm not, but my work partner is and he's a Catholic that goes to Mass every Saturday and he's firmly more against Obama (although it's not a racial thing with him) it's more about massive debt that our government has incurred. I've never heard him preach about Romney being the one. I have the same issues with Obama and was not going to vote for him (I live in Kansas so what good would that do) but now I am going to vote for him souly because of the mega derp from the GOP and their incessant lies and not even acknowledging them when they get busted time and time again.
 
2012-09-27 10:15:27 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: ( he had the house and a senate super majority. It should have been done)


No he didn't

GrizzlyPouch: Negative, more people are out of work today than ever before.

Negative, more people are out of work today than ever before.


Wrong again. When Bush left office we were losing 700,000 jobs/months. We've been gaining jobs under Obama.
 
2012-09-27 10:16:21 PM  
i.huffpost.com
HELL!
 
2012-09-27 10:16:36 PM  

Aarontology: But I also remember a few months ago when that was a big thing how everyone thought there could be a Catholic backlash of sorts.

Turns out they care more about the social justice aspects of their faith then the social conservatism aspects of their faith. And the GOP has Ryan to thank for making them choose (see what I did there?)


I remember quite a few pundits and members of the league of fail who were pushing the idea that Obama's hostility to Christianity was going to hurt him, especially with Catholics. Shocking that pretend outrage #1417 fell flat.
 
2012-09-27 10:16:40 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?


My GF is a practicing Catholic. She's also smart and not terrible, so she's not really Romney's target audience.
 
2012-09-27 10:17:31 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: he's firmly more against Obama (although it's not a racial thing with him) it's more about massive debt that our government has incurred


Yeah. A lot of voters are uninformed. That's why the race is still close.
 
2012-09-27 10:18:42 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: I voted for Obama in 08 (I'm from Mississippi so this is saying something)

Liked his message, more transparent less political etc.

He hasn't lived up to any of that. Our country is more polarized than ever, Muslims still hate us.

I'm 4 years older, married, kid on the way so maybe ive outgrown the blind optimism, but seriously

Why would anybody vote for Obama?

Healthcare reform? Negative, single payer would have been much better ( he had the house and a senate super majority. It should have been done)

Stimulus? Negative, more people are out of work today than ever before.

Not saying I'll vote for Romney but Obama had his shot. Fail


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2012-09-27 10:19:33 PM  

Mugato: GrizzlyPouch: He hasn't lived up to any of that. Our country is more polarized than ever, Muslims still hate us.

LOL. When did Obama say he was going to make the Muslims not hate us anymore?

Why would anybody vote for Obama?

Because the alternative is farking horrendous.


I think this is the new "both sides are bad so vote Republican".
 
2012-09-27 10:20:57 PM  
where is your moroni now!


this video should answer your question, are mormons really christians?

xenu much there, joe?
 
2012-09-27 10:22:12 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The only real surprise that could matter is a complete collapse of Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy, with rioting in the streets. Economic impacts take time to filter down to street level, one sudden event isn't going to sway the vote that much. And surprises tend to favor incumbents.


It's likely too late for a European collapse to have a big effect on our elections. The EU central bank is doing just barely enough to keep national defaults at bay. Most of the EU PIIGS will probably keep limping along with terrible economies for another few years, except for Greece, but if Germany and the central bank props up the rest, they can probably afford to boot or lose Greece.

Even if it happened, the knock on wouldn't hit us at least a few months after the collapse. You're right, dramatic events like that help a strong commander in chief. A Euro collapse would probably turn the impending blowout into a landslide.
 
2012-09-27 10:23:40 PM  

thrgd456: Yeah, I'm not voting for either of them, but I can see this is gonna be a

LANDSLIDE!


Not only is Romney going to lose by margins we haven't seen in decades, the coat tail effect is going to help Democrat candidates on every level. Republicans have no hope of taking control of the Senate, and they're going to lose ground in Congress.

Jeesus Christ, Romney is doing more damage to the Republican candidate than....well fark, he's setting a new standard. And I'm a classic Republican voting, Fark Independent. But reality is reality. And Romeny is a walking farking disaster. Obama doesn't even have to do anything. He just has to sit back with a beer and laugh his ass off every time Romney opens his mouth.

/yea, yea, enjoy my tears. I know they're delicious
//and yes, my butt does hurt, and I'm afraid it's only going to get much worse
 
2012-09-27 10:25:06 PM  

GrizzlyPouch:
Stimulus? Negative, more people are out of work today than ever before.


I could hear your argument fall flat on its face all the way over here.
 
2012-09-27 10:25:49 PM  

Hoarseman: I think this is the new "both sides are bad so vote Republican".


I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying no matter how bad you think Obama is, Romney can only be worse on every level.
 
2012-09-27 10:27:19 PM  

Dahnkster: Aarontology: Turns out they care more about the social justice aspects of their faith then the social conservatism aspects of their faith.

THIS is what Christ would want. I live in Florida Panhandle which is pretty much 70-80% deepest, darkest Derpistan. Or local newspaper polls (Northwest Florida Daily News -- one of the single most submitted and approved links for FARK 'FLORIDA" stories) believe Obama is not a US citizen (70% of respondents). The McCain-Palin support here was at 80%. Romney support estimated at close to 70%. I became a Catholic convert for the sake of my wife, but enjoy much of the history and even the legends of some of the 'Saints'. I like the teachings of loving one another and being 'my brother's keeper'. I credit the Catholics for their role in hospital and school formation. I make no excuses their role in the Crusades, the fights against Protestant Reformation, The Inquisition or the ignoring of fascism in Italy, Germany, and Europe. I am amazed at the growing number of intelligent people that reject the message of hatred, fear and demonizing the poor. We have miles to go, but I am encouraged. I understand many of you have issues with not only Catholicism, but with organized religion and belief in a higher power/divinity in general. I am truly sorry for those of you have harmed in the name of 'Christianity'. I have been called 'foolish' and 'stupid' in my life for a myriad of reasons.... and that's just here on FARK.

I may not always be a good ambassador of kindness and love. But I stand on the side of love, compassion and laughter... and wieners and boobies... and pie, chocolate, ice cream and sweet, crispy bacon. I am registered as an "Independent" here in Florida (No Party Affiliation, officially). Both my wife and I (She's a registered Republican) will be voting for Obama.

[www.catholicchapterhouse.com image 850x637]

Spaghetti suppers, blood drives, pancake breakfasts, the occasional pedophile cleric, Knights of Columbus dressed li ...


I was moved, and believed you to be a good and true ambassador for your fellows...

...until this part.

Now you can go burn in your fictitious hell.

/I keed
//more people like you need to be more visible and vocal
///but seriously... "myriad of"? I bet you like getting money from the ATM machine. :P
/*hugs*
 
2012-09-27 10:27:51 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Darth_Lukecash: TheDumbBlonde: Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.

Um ...

meat0918: You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).

Ah. This has been taken care of.

The Western missionaries, and the Spaniards to the Florida south had ZERO to the founding of this country.

Other than creating cities and pockets of" civilizations" that the Americans Conquered.


But historically speaking, Maryland was a Catholic colony. As for your original Statement: when I was a child, The Roman Catholic church considered Mormonism to be a Cult. Jehovah witnesses, Scientology are also in this classification.

How old is TheDumbBlonde? Not a diss, I just know different eras taught different versions. Claiming Spain had nothing to do with the founding of this country is the worst type of Anglo-worship... we were supposed to be growing out of that, in this country's grade school history classes.

Please explain how Spain had anything to do with the founding of America. You don't out-grow history.


You do if your huffing the occidental coolaid. I bet you think the russians are just an off shoot of vikings too right?

google john bidwell. Juniper Sierra. John Gilroy /Kilroy/ If your talking about east coast, St. Augustine FL is older than Jamestown.

I mean your trolling right? You know about New Haven right?
 
2012-09-27 10:29:09 PM  

BigBooper: Jeesus Christ, Romney is doing more damage to the Republican candidate than....well fark, he's setting a new standard. And I'm a classic Republican voting, Fark Independent. But reality is reality. And Romeny is a walking farking disaster. Obama doesn't even have to do anything. He just has to sit back with a beer and laugh his ass off every time Romney opens his mouth.


Shoulda nominated a different guy. Just saying.
 
2012-09-27 10:31:19 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: kim


Actually, I've been a member of Fark for quite a while.

225087
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It'd be nice to be part of the conversation sometimes.
 
2012-09-27 10:31:55 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Stimulus? Negative, more people are out of work today than ever before.


The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics would like to show you some things called facts, if you are interested.
 
2012-09-27 10:34:26 PM  

FlashHarry: interesting indeed.

it ain't over 'till it's over, but it's looking pretty dire for ol' mittens. which is why i think they must have some october surprise in the offing. either that or they've got such a voter suppression scheme going that they think they can win ohio and/or florida.


Early voting starts next week in Ohio so if Mitt's got an October surprise he better play it soonish.
 
2012-09-27 10:40:12 PM  
Those who read the Gospels know that humility and charity towards humanity always beats selfishness also know that when you think something seems evil, it probably is decide that some people have too many evil attributes to be in charge. This explains why we have the long audition. It is hard for the truly evil ones.
 
2012-09-27 10:40:38 PM  

cloud_van_dame: BigBooper: Jeesus Christ, Romney is doing more damage to the Republican candidate than....well fark, he's setting a new standard. And I'm a classic Republican voting, Fark Independent. But reality is reality. And Romeny is a walking farking disaster. Obama doesn't even have to do anything. He just has to sit back with a beer and laugh his ass off every time Romney opens his mouth.

Shoulda nominated a different guy. Just saying.


By the time I got to vote, it was already over. Santorum, Newt, or Romney? Wow, what a quality choice.
 
2012-09-27 10:41:20 PM  
Got a question: have they announced Ryan's schedule for the next few weeks? Would be interesting if it turned out he was going to go back to his district to campaign for his house seat. If he is, that would be an indicator of the morale in the R&R campaign.
 
2012-09-27 10:44:22 PM  

BigBooper: cloud_van_dame: BigBooper: Jeesus Christ, Romney is doing more damage to the Republican candidate than....well fark, he's setting a new standard. And I'm a classic Republican voting, Fark Independent. But reality is reality. And Romeny is a walking farking disaster. Obama doesn't even have to do anything. He just has to sit back with a beer and laugh his ass off every time Romney opens his mouth.

Shoulda nominated a different guy. Just saying.

By the time I got to vote, it was already over. Santorum, Newt, or Romney? Wow, what a quality choice.


Don't discount the diamonds in the rough that were Herman Cain and Michelle "Sugarcane" Bachmann.
 
2012-09-27 10:44:56 PM  

UberDave: and then announcing that he will divert budget money to build the Millenium Falcon


www.thekarpiuks.com
 
2012-09-27 10:47:12 PM  

BigBooper: By the time I got to vote, it was already over. Santorum, Newt, or Romney? Wow, what a quality choice.


Because Perry, Cain or Bachmann would have been better?
 
2012-09-27 10:51:38 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: and he's firmly more against Obama (although it's not a racial thing with him) it's more about massive debt that our government has incurred.


Now these are the ones that I don't get. Were he and his ilk in a coma from 2000 thru 2008?
It's a bit late for these reborn Bush voters to have deficit conscience.
/farkin hypocrites anyway
 
2012-09-27 10:54:45 PM  

vernonFL: TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?

I would bet that they only actual practicing Catholics in the USA are a few 80 year old Mexican Polish, Irish and Italian women.

Other than that, no, there aren't any practicing Catholics anymore.


You should visit south Louisiana. This place is absolutely crawling with people of all ages who think the only non-family member who has any right telling them what to do is the Pope. I used to live in north Texas. All the hardline, right-wing, narrow-minded, anti-science fundamentalists I ever ran into up there have their exact counterparts down here -- only here, they go to mass.
 
2012-09-27 10:59:09 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?


Nah, I don't practice Catholics. I mastered that long ago.
 
2012-09-27 11:08:38 PM  

Aarontology: Ryan is pushing Catholics towards the guy who wants to make them pay for birth control.

hahahahahahahhaha


I don't think most of the lay Catholics give a flying fark at a rolling doughnut about the Church's stance on birth control. OTOH, they apparently care quite a bit about taking care of the poor.

Good show, Catholics. Glad you don't have your heads up your asses, even while your leaders do.
 
2012-09-27 11:09:08 PM  

meat0918: It's fascinating.


Like a train wreck.
 
2012-09-27 11:09:58 PM  

MisterTweak: Aarontology: Ryan is pushing Catholics towards the guy who wants to make them pay for birth control.

hahahahahahahhaha

A lot of catholics are less offended by paying for birth control for, as Mr. Limbaugh so gently put it "A Slut" - than they are at being used as a tool for ignorance and greed.

There was this Jesus guy a long time ago, who spoke extensively on the duty of every person to protect and help anyone who asks for help - but didn't actually talk about sluttiness, except to caution those who wanted to punish them for their perceived wrongs.


Oh, so they ignore Jesus' teachings and use religion as a tool of bigotry and fear to create and maintain worldly power and wealth for...oh...as long as they've existed, but NOW they're finally coming around?

Better late than never, I suppose.
 
2012-09-27 11:14:39 PM  

Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.

Um ...

meat0918: You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).

Ah. This has been taken care of.


Not to mention the Catholic French to the North. People forget that Detroit was a French fort city. Michigan is very Catholic and usually a blue state.
 
2012-09-27 11:16:31 PM  

simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.


Interesting. I actually learned something on Fark. You'd think of all the stink they've made over the years of various things the media would at least recognize this.
 
2012-09-27 11:25:46 PM  

Dahnkster: I am amazed at the growing number of intelligent people that reject the message of hatred, fear and demonizing the poor. We have miles to go, but I am encouraged. I understand many of you have issues with not only Catholicism, but with organized religion and belief in a higher power/divinity in general. I am truly sorry for those of you have harmed in the name of 'Christianity'.


Awesome. And I am so stealing that picture.
 
2012-09-27 11:26:32 PM  

brandent: simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.

Interesting. I actually learned something on Fark. You'd think of all the stink they've made over the years of various things the media would at least recognize this.


Well, Obama is, in fact, a Protestant (look it up; the church he attended in Chicago is part of the United Church of Christ, a Protestant denomination). However, as he is neither white, nor Anglo-Saxon, there are no WASPs in either ticket.
 
2012-09-27 11:31:22 PM  
Three statisticals

1) No one expects the Spanish Inquisition
2) The money was just resting in Father Ted's account
3) Sister Act could happen in real life

Book it. Done.
 
2012-09-27 11:33:58 PM  

mksmith: vernonFL: TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?

I would bet that they only actual practicing Catholics in the USA are a few 80 year old Mexican Polish, Irish and Italian women.

Other than that, no, there aren't any practicing Catholics anymore.

You should visit south Louisiana. This place is absolutely crawling with people of all ages who think the only non-family member who has any right telling them what to do is the Pope. I used to live in north Texas. All the hardline, right-wing, narrow-minded, anti-science fundamentalists I ever ran into up there have their exact counterparts down here -- only here, they go to mass.



In California, the Mexicans and Filipinos are very Catholic.
 
2012-09-27 11:40:44 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Stimulus? Negative, more people are out of work today than ever before.


No, they really, really are not. Where the hell are you getting your information?
 
2012-09-27 11:45:55 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Stimulus? Negative, more people are out of work today than ever before.


Here you go:

Link

Link

Now go ahead and complain about the HuffPo link like a good little Dittohead, even though they cite their sources.
 
2012-09-28 12:07:36 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Stimulus? Negative, more people are out of work today than ever before.


Uh....

www.doctorhousingbubble.com
 
2012-09-28 12:09:12 AM  
www.ritholtz.com
 
2012-09-28 12:10:21 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-28 12:20:23 AM  

FlashHarry: i think the 47 percent thing really grated against old-school catholics.


it's those nuns on that damned bus!!
 
2012-09-28 12:22:32 AM  
i1135.photobucket.com

/can't believe I'm the only one.
 
2012-09-28 12:24:11 AM  

Hobodeluxe: FlashHarry: i think the 47 percent thing really grated against old-school catholics.

it's those nuns on that damned bus!!


Yes, those darned women going out, helping people! What kind of impression does that give about the Church?
 
2012-09-28 12:25:01 AM  

Bill Frist: [upload.wikimedia.org image 794x414]


Jesus, not only are those off-topic, but they're hilariously out of date.

checks image source

Graph 1:
Modified: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:01:33 PM

Graph 2
Modified: Monday, November 16, 2009 3:11:53 PM

I live with my mom
 
2012-09-28 12:25:10 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: I voted for Obama in 08 (I'm from Mississippi so this is saying something)

Liked his message, more transparent less political etc.

He hasn't lived up to any of that. Our country is more polarized than ever, Muslims still hate us.

I'm 4 years older, married, kid on the way so maybe ive outgrown the blind optimism, but seriously

Why would anybody vote for Obama?

Healthcare reform? Negative, single payer would have been much better ( he had the house and a senate super majority. It should have been done)

Stimulus? Negative, more people are out of work today than ever before.

Not saying I'll vote for Romney but Obama had his shot. Fail


when did he have a sen supermajority? there was like 2 months between when Franken was sworn in and Kennedy died. and even then Byrd was too ill to vote.
 
2012-09-28 12:30:22 AM  

simplicimus: Hobodeluxe: FlashHarry: i think the 47 percent thing really grated against old-school catholics.

it's those nuns on that damned bus!!

Yes, those darned women going out, helping people! What kind of impression does that give about the Church?


depends. if it were the Bangbus it would give an entirely different impression.
 
2012-09-28 12:39:07 AM  

Hobodeluxe: simplicimus: Hobodeluxe: FlashHarry: i think the 47 percent thing really grated against old-school catholics.

it's those nuns on that damned bus!!

Yes, those darned women going out, helping people! What kind of impression does that give about the Church?

depends. if it were the Bangbus it would give an entirely different impression.


Well, yeah, but I can only recall maybe 2 nuns in 12 years of catholic schooling I would consider hittable.
 
2012-09-28 12:47:36 AM  

Riothamus: Bill Frist: [upload.wikimedia.org image 794x414]

Jesus, not only are those off-topic, but they're hilariously out of date.

checks image source

Graph 1:
Modified: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:01:33 PM

Graph 2
Modified: Monday, November 16, 2009 3:11:53 PM

I live with my mom


OK, so point to the time since 2009 when we broke 20% unemployment.
 
2012-09-28 12:52:19 AM  

Riothamus: Jesus, not only are those off-topic, but they're hilariously out of date.


Um, they aren't off-topic. The guy claimed that unemployment was worse than ever before. It isn't. It's at 8 something percent, not as bad as it has been in the near past (nor nearly as bad as the great depression)
 
2012-09-28 12:55:46 AM  
www.politicalruminations.com
 
2012-09-28 01:09:16 AM  
Wait, so religious voters are siding with the guy accepting their belief system over the guy who believes he gets to be God of his own planet when he dies? Color me skeptical.
 
2012-09-28 01:20:19 AM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Catholics don't want to vote for a heretic? you don't say!

/next you'll be telling me that the Imams in Iran won't vote for a lesbian female president to replace i'madinnerjacket.
//not 100% sure if LDS teachings are viewed as heresy by the vatican... but don't see why they wouldn't be.


Technically, Obama, as a Protestant, is a heretic and the conventicles he frequents aren't even churches. The same goes for all Protestants. (Oh, and Anglicans -- you're Protestant as well.)
 
2012-09-28 01:23:55 AM  

Riothamus: Modified: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:01:33 PM


So since 2009 unemployment during the great depression has changed? Are you familiar with the concept of historical data?
 
2012-09-28 01:30:10 AM  

Aarontology: Ryan is pushing Catholics towards the guy who wants to make them pay for birth control.

hahahahahahahhaha


Birth control is an area where most Catholics (myself included) disagree with the church's official position; this is especially prominent amongst American Catholics, who tend to be less conservative than European Catholics.
 
2012-09-28 01:37:55 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Are you familiar with the concept of historical data?


What dat mean?
 
2012-09-28 01:40:12 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Riothamus: Modified: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:01:33 PM

So since 2009 unemployment during the great depression has changed? Are you familiar with the concept of historical data?


Obviously, they know something you don't about the unemployment rates between when that chart was created and now.
 
2012-09-28 02:00:47 AM  

NewportBarGuy: WhyteRaven74: Are you familiar with the concept of historical data?

What dat mean?


It is the stuff at the bottom of your laundry pile.
 
2012-09-28 02:17:16 AM  

kimwim: Britney Spear's Speculum: kim

Actually, I've been a member of Fark for quite a while.

225087
Account created:
2005-04-27 14:27:28


It'd be nice to be part of the conversation sometimes.

 

Yellekc:

Fark account number: 13749
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It'd be nice to have some links approved sometimes.
 
2012-09-28 05:27:17 AM  

Mugato: Hoarseman: I think this is the new "both sides are bad so vote Republican".

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying no matter how bad you think Obama any Democrat is, Romney any Republican can only be worse on every level.


Expanded to a general principle at this point. Maybe that will change after the Tea Party and the sort of attitudes that built towards it since Reagan are no longer in charge. 

/even if there were "good Republicans" they vote in lockstep with the party line on all key legislation, so it is irrelevant what their personal views and politics are - this is the downside of having "strong party discipline"
 
2012-09-28 06:52:28 AM  

yellekc: kimwim: Britney Spear's Speculum: kim

Actually, I've been a member of Fark for quite a while.

225087
Account created:
2005-04-27 14:27:28


It'd be nice to be part of the conversation sometimes. 

Yellekc:

Fark account number: 13749
Account created: 2001-11-08 09:16:23
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It'd be nice to have some links approved sometimes.


Damn it. It's my goal to have the oldest still-posting Fark ID with no submitted links.
How old are you, and is there a history of illness in your family? Heart disease, dementia?
 
2012-09-28 06:56:22 AM  

Lando Lincoln: GrizzlyPouch: Stimulus? Negative, more people are out of work today than ever before.

No, they really, really are not. Where the hell are you getting your information?


Probably from a Fair and Balanced ALTernative source.
 
2012-09-28 07:04:56 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Damn it. It's my goal to have the oldest still-posting Fark ID with no submitted links.
How old are you, and is there a history of illness in your family? Heart disease, dementia?


I'm gunning for you grandpa! : )

Account Number: 50337
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2012-09-28 08:14:47 AM  

kimwim: I"ve also fled the Catholic church. For the Episcopal one! They didn't try to tell me who to vote for, how to take care of my body, marriage, job, husband, etc, etc, etc,


i'm an atheist, but i was raised anglican/episcopalian. as churches go, it's probably the best one - open, liberal, compassionate, yet it preserves apostolic succession and a deep sense of history and tradition.
 
2012-09-28 08:39:25 AM  

FlashHarry: kimwim: I"ve also fled the Catholic church. For the Episcopal one! They didn't try to tell me who to vote for, how to take care of my body, marriage, job, husband, etc, etc, etc,

i'm an atheist, but i was raised anglican/episcopalian. as churches go, it's probably the best one - open, liberal, compassionate, yet it preserves apostolic succession and a deep sense of history and tradition.


I like to say it's like a stream that split, took a different path, a more enlightened one. I feel very much at home here. It's funny how many people in my church even question the belief in the big guy upstairs, but come back every week. It's home.
 
2012-09-28 09:13:52 AM  

HeartBurnKid: I don't think most of the lay Catholics give a flying fark at a rolling doughnut about the Church's stance on birth control. OTOH, they apparently care quite a bit about taking care of the poor.


Hell, if you recall, the Catholic church sent out a letter earlier this year admonishing nuns in the US for being more concerned with helping the poor and sick instead of concentrating on gay marriage and abortion.
 
2012-09-28 09:16:45 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: HeartBurnKid: I don't think most of the lay Catholics give a flying fark at a rolling doughnut about the Church's stance on birth control. OTOH, they apparently care quite a bit about taking care of the poor.

Hell, if you recall, the Catholic church sent out a letter earlier this year admonishing nuns in the US for being more concerned with helping the poor and sick instead of concentrating on gay marriage and abortion.


The interview with on NPR with the Bishop who was sent to sort them out (basically, I forget what his exact purpose was) was interesting. Sometimes I could totally see their point regarding church doctrine. At other times it was infuriating.
 
2012-09-28 09:51:11 AM  

TheDumbBlonde: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
How old is TheDumbBlonde? Not a diss, I just know different eras taught different versions. Claiming Spain had nothing to do with the founding of this country is the worst type of Anglo-worship... we were supposed to be growing out of that, in this country's grade school history classes.

Please explain how Spain had anything to do with the founding of America. You don't out-grow history.



Yeah, you do. History, as a body of information, is a lot like the news. It's built on a framework of facts which are only occasionally updated. But along with that comes a great deal of theory, and a narrative to tie it all together and make it sell. Those change all the time as they get re-examined by later historians; and as the major form of context being provided, they influence the meaning of those facts.

And much like the news is "whatever appears in newspapers," history often turns out to be "whatever appears in the latest edition of the history books." Everything that happens could be news, or could become history, but not until someone with an audience decides that it's worth making a point of it.

The older you get, the more you notice this. Often in the form of "Wait, what? That isn't what we were taught..."
 
2012-09-28 10:37:22 AM  

kimwim: I like to say it's like a stream that split, took a different path, a more enlightened one.


that reminds me of a wonderful quote from richard hooker, a 16th century anglican theologian regarding the schism between the church of england and the catholic church: "we differ only in that rome is in error."

oh snap.
 
2012-09-28 10:52:19 AM  

FlashHarry: "we differ only in that rome is in error."


I like that!
 
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