If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Daily Beast)   Catholics are fleeing Romney for Obama. This is bad news for... well, it's bad news for Romney, obviously   (andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com) divider line 167
    More: Interesting, Mitt Romney, obama, Catholics, conservative Catholics, Catholic Social, Pew Research Center  
•       •       •

3934 clicks; posted to Politics » on 27 Sep 2012 at 9:43 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



167 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-09-27 04:13:04 PM
interesting indeed.

it ain't over 'till it's over, but it's looking pretty dire for ol' mittens. which is why i think they must have some october surprise in the offing. either that or they've got such a voter suppression scheme going that they think they can win ohio and/or florida.
 
2012-09-27 04:16:24 PM
Ryan is pushing Catholics towards the guy who wants to make them pay for birth control.

hahahahahahahhaha
 
2012-09-27 04:24:08 PM
On June 17, Obama held a slight edge over Mitt Romney among Catholics (49 percent to 47 percent), according to the Pew Research Center. Since then, Obama has surged ahead, and now leads 54 percent to 39 percent, according to a Pew poll conducted Sept. 16. Among all registered voters, Obama leads Romney 51 percent to 42 percent, according to Pew. Obama and Romney are essentially tied among white Catholics, which some pollsters call the ultimate swing group.

Mormons always looked at Christianity as a 2 horse race - either Catholics were right (and all sects descended from them) or the Mormons were right. Protestants split from Catholics (as did the Orthodox) and everyone else came from the Protestants. Mormons claimed their church had died out before the Catholic church began and was then rebooted in 1820 with Joe Smith. Catholics pay this no mind, but Mormons (that I knew) did not.

Anyways, I find this a bit amusing. The religion that Mormons picked on the most is the one their representative (and he really is this- just see the 'Fast and Pray for him' emails going around) needs to help win.
 
2012-09-27 04:24:47 PM
Who the heck still polls registered voters?
 
2012-09-27 04:28:54 PM
I think anything not trapped in a cage and strapped to Mitt's station-wagon roof is fleeing him right now.
 
2012-09-27 04:30:45 PM

adiabat: Who the heck still polls registered voters?


Gosh darn it, it is friggin' nuts, I tell ya!
 
2012-09-27 04:55:31 PM

Aarontology: Ryan is pushing Catholics towards the guy who wants to make them pay for birth control.

hahahahahahahhaha


A lot of catholics are less offended by paying for birth control for, as Mr. Limbaugh so gently put it "A Slut" - than they are at being used as a tool for ignorance and greed.

There was this Jesus guy a long time ago, who spoke extensively on the duty of every person to protect and help anyone who asks for help - but didn't actually talk about sluttiness, except to caution those who wanted to punish them for their perceived wrongs.
 
2012-09-27 04:58:12 PM

MisterTweak: Aarontology: Ryan is pushing Catholics towards the guy who wants to make them pay for birth control.

hahahahahahahhaha

A lot of catholics are less offended by paying for birth control for, as Mr. Limbaugh so gently put it "A Slut" - than they are at being used as a tool for ignorance and greed.

There was this Jesus guy a long time ago, who spoke extensively on the duty of every person to protect and help anyone who asks for help - but didn't actually talk about sluttiness, except to caution those who wanted to punish them for their perceived wrongs.


Oh, I know.

But I also remember a few months ago when that was a big thing how everyone thought there could be a Catholic backlash of sorts.

Turns out they care more about the social justice aspects of their faith then the social conservatism aspects of their faith. And the GOP has Ryan to thank for making them choose (see what I did there?)
 
2012-09-27 05:02:13 PM
i think the 47 percent thing really grated against old-school catholics.
 
2012-09-27 05:16:49 PM

FlashHarry: it ain't over 'till it's over, but it's looking pretty dire for ol' mittens. which is why i think they must have some october surprise in the offing.


Anything short of Romney stepping up to the podium mid-October, ripping off his shirt, grabbing a guitar and channeling Steve Vai to play the solo from Crossroads, and then announcing that he will divert budget money to build the Millenium Falcon, I don't see whatever surprise they have helping much.
 
2012-09-27 05:50:57 PM
Anybody that really thought that most Catholics would be upset about Obamacare forcing Catholic business entities to provide birth control to their workers did not know your average Catholics too well.
 
2012-09-27 05:52:55 PM
And subby, you're wrong. It's bad news for OBAMA. EVERYTHING is ALWAYS bad news for OBAMA.
 
2012-09-27 05:53:39 PM
Are any of you practicing Catholics?
 
2012-09-27 05:55:49 PM

UberDave: Anything short of Romney stepping up to the podium mid-October, ripping off his shirt, grabbing a guitar and channeling Steve Vai to play the solo from Crossroads, and then announcing that he will divert budget money to build the Millenium Falcon, I don't see whatever surprise they have helping much.


Obama being caught with a live boy or a dead hooker
 
2012-09-27 05:56:04 PM
I wonder what percentage of these shifts is due to the "nobody likes a loser" theory, the fairweather fan.
 
2012-09-27 05:56:07 PM

Aarontology: Turns out they care more about the social justice aspects of their faith then the social conservatism aspects of their faith.


THIS is what Christ would want. I live in Florida Panhandle which is pretty much 70-80% deepest, darkest Derpistan. Or local newspaper polls (Northwest Florida Daily News -- one of the single most submitted and approved links for FARK 'FLORIDA" stories) believe Obama is not a US citizen (70% of respondents). The McCain-Palin support here was at 80%. Romney support estimated at close to 70%. I became a Catholic convert for the sake of my wife, but enjoy much of the history and even the legends of some of the 'Saints'. I like the teachings of loving one another and being 'my brother's keeper'. I credit the Catholics for their role in hospital and school formation. I make no excuses their role in the Crusades, the fights against Protestant Reformation, The Inquisition or the ignoring of fascism in Italy, Germany, and Europe. I am amazed at the growing number of intelligent people that reject the message of hatred, fear and demonizing the poor. We have miles to go, but I am encouraged. I understand many of you have issues with not only Catholicism, but with organized religion and belief in a higher power/divinity in general. I am truly sorry for those of you have harmed in the name of 'Christianity'. I have been called 'foolish' and 'stupid' in my life for a myriad of reasons.... and that's just here on FARK.

I may not always be a good ambassador of kindness and love. But I stand on the side of love, compassion and laughter... and wieners and boobies... and pie, chocolate, ice cream and sweet, crispy bacon. I am registered as an "Independent" here in Florida (No Party Affiliation, officially). Both my wife and I (She's a registered Republican) will be voting for Obama.

www.catholicchapterhouse.com

Spaghetti suppers, blood drives, pancake breakfasts, the occasional pedophile cleric, Knights of Columbus dressed like vampires wearing Royal Navy admiralty hats, wacky saints, candles, ridiculous hats. Truly, there is something for everybody.

Catholics, Hey at least we're not Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses. amirite? 
 
2012-09-27 05:57:18 PM

Lando Lincoln: Anybody that really thought that most Catholics would be upset about Obamacare forcing Catholic business entities to provide birth control to their workers did not know your average Catholics too well.


There were some who thought that Bill Donohue is some standard bearer for the RCC when, in fact, he's more of a pain in the ass for them than anything else.

But yes, basically to think there would be a Catholic backlash over birth control is to ignore the frequently noted percentage of Catholics in the US who have used birth control in spite of the official prohibition with regards to such means.

It was just one of many attempts by the GOP to make hay out of something trivial.
 
2012-09-27 05:58:16 PM

Lando Lincoln: Anybody that really thought that most Catholics would be upset about Obamacare forcing Catholic business entities to provide birth control to their workers did not know your average Catholics too well.


Yeah, this. The Republican Party being strong with the Catholic vote is relatively new anyway. Catholic voters have traditionally been economically liberal, socially conservative. The economic liberal part often put them at odds with the Republicans.
 
2012-09-27 06:00:55 PM

Dahnkster: I make no excuses their role in the Crusades, the fights against Protestant Reformation, The Inquisition or the ignoring of fascism in Italy, Germany, and Europe.


Eh, most of that had everything to do with politics and very little to do with religion except as a very thin veneer of PR.

But, outside of the leadership roles (and I do think that most in the lower-ranks of the clergy are basically good people), most Catholics these days are a lot more fun to be around than Protestants. Especially since Catholics like to drink.
 
2012-09-27 06:01:30 PM

coco ebert: Lando Lincoln: Anybody that really thought that most Catholics would be upset about Obamacare forcing Catholic business entities to provide birth control to their workers did not know your average Catholics too well.

Yeah, this. The Republican Party being strong with the Catholic vote is relatively new anyway. Catholic voters have traditionally been economically liberal, socially conservative. The economic liberal part often put them at odds with the Republicans.


Yeah but now apparently being your brother's keeper is a liberal idea, so...
 
2012-09-27 06:01:36 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?


I would bet that they only actual practicing Catholics in the USA are a few 80 year old Mexican Polish, Irish and Italian women.

Other than that, no, there aren't any practicing Catholics anymore.
 
2012-09-27 06:04:48 PM

vernonFL: TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?

I would bet that they only actual practicing Catholics in the USA are a few 80 year old Mexican Polish, Irish and Italian women.

Other than that, no, there aren't any practicing Catholics anymore.


I'll mention your well-informed opinion in my parish.
 
2012-09-27 06:08:32 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?


Yeah, some of us, but we tend more to Social Justice part of the faith than the Paul Ryan/Mel Gibson authotitarian part.
 
2012-09-27 06:10:14 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Dahnkster: I make no excuses their role in the Crusades, the fights against Protestant Reformation, The Inquisition or the ignoring of fascism in Italy, Germany, and Europe.

Eh, most of that had everything to do with politics and very little to do with religion except as a very thin veneer of PR.

But, outside of the leadership roles (and I do think that most in the lower-ranks of the clergy are basically good people), most Catholics these days are a lot more fun to be around than Protestants. Especially since Catholics like to drink.


Well, you have wine for breakfast every Sunday and see how you turn out.
 
2012-09-27 06:14:18 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?


No, but I also stopped pretending pro wrestling was real, too.
 
2012-09-27 06:14:49 PM
What Catholics fleeing might look like:

i1079.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-27 06:16:52 PM
On the whole, I find Catholics and Anglicans to be very reasonable people. I am not surprised those groups are breaking for Obama.
 
2012-09-27 06:20:29 PM

ghare: On the whole, I find Catholics and Anglicans to be very reasonable people. I am not surprised those groups are breaking for Obama.


I think Lutherans can be quite reasonable.
 
2012-09-27 06:22:50 PM
Perhap the statistics are biased?

www.sltrib.com
 
2012-09-27 06:26:13 PM

FlashHarry: it ain't over 'till it's over


Nope, it's over.

Barring a full-scale war breaking out, or a crash of the economy (+2% unemployment rate, or a sector collapse) Obama is getting 4 more years.

Not even worried about it. All over. Done. I'll still be voting, even though it doesn't matter in this state for CINC. My whole region is going Blue except for maybe NH, and I think they'll go Blue because the base is severely depressed about their candidate.

They had a clown car of candidates and picked the least horrible one because Huntsman just never caught on during their derpfest. He refused to bow down to their incredibly infantile level. I respect him for that and would have seriously considered him as a candidate.

Mittens will be buying a sports team in the Winter and will be done destroying it by next Fall. Book it. Done!
 
2012-09-27 06:27:08 PM
I've never actually met a Catholic who was against birth control....
Well, except for maybe a few old ladies.

What the Vatican preaches is ignored by most of them.
 
2012-09-27 06:29:31 PM

vernonFL: TheDumbBlonde: Are any of you practicing Catholics?

I would bet that they only actual practicing Catholics in the USA are a few 80 year old Mexican Polish, Irish and Italian women.

Other than that, no, there aren't any practicing Catholics anymore.


I'm not practicing, but I've done ever sacrament other than last rites up til now. Whole extended family is Catholic with a couple scattered Evangelicals.
 
2012-09-27 06:30:52 PM
Once a long time ago, there was a particular monastery which had a rule of silence. It was the most severe of monasteries which allowed the candidates to only speak two words per year to the Rector.

One particular candidate suffered the silence for the first year with difficulty but he thought hard about what he would say. On the first anniversary he came to the Rector and said his two treasured words. "Bed Hard"

The second year he again came to the Rector with his two well thought out words on the anniversary of his coming into the monastery. He said: "Food Cold".

The third year he came to the Rector and again with much thought and prayer gave his two word response" "I Quit".

The Rector replied: "I'm certainly not surprised. All you have done since you got here is complain."
 
2012-09-27 06:35:32 PM

Dahnkster: Once a long time ago, there was a particular monastery which had a rule of silence. It was the most severe of monasteries which allowed the candidates to only speak two words per year to the Rector.

One particular candidate suffered the silence for the first year with difficulty but he thought hard about what he would say. On the first anniversary he came to the Rector and said his two treasured words. "Bed Hard"

The second year he again came to the Rector with his two well thought out words on the anniversary of his coming into the monastery. He said: "Food Cold".

The third year he came to the Rector and again with much thought and prayer gave his two word response" "I Quit".

The Rector replied: "I'm certainly not surprised. All you have done since you got here is complain."


+1
 
2012-09-27 06:52:47 PM
I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.
 
2012-09-27 06:55:11 PM

fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.


Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.
 
2012-09-27 06:58:28 PM

simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.


Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.
 
2012-09-27 07:05:32 PM

UberDave: FlashHarry: it ain't over 'till it's over, but it's looking pretty dire for ol' mittens. which is why i think they must have some october surprise in the offing.

Anything short of Romney stepping up to the podium mid-October, ripping off his shirt, grabbing a guitar and channeling Steve Vai to play the solo from Crossroads, and then announcing that he will divert budget money to build the Millenium Falcon, I don't see whatever surprise they have helping much.


LOL!

I think this election cycle is about ratings for Fox/CNN et.all and has nothing to do with actual policy or governance. Hard to tell whether or not the Romney's think they really have a chance at winning but I wouldn't be surprised if they stood to earn a lot more money by losing. The POTUS has lots of power in one sense but he (or she someday) really has no private life to speak of and very little freedom of movement.
 
2012-09-27 07:06:16 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.

Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.


American Protestantism? Was this a backdrop? America was founded by protesants of many stripes.
 
2012-09-27 07:08:39 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.


It is interesting that when I was a wee boy, we were taught that we were Mormon, not Christian. This changed in the early 90s They weren't an offshoot and according to their religion, they aren't. They are a reboot of the original religion Jesus set up and was lost when he and his disciples were martyred.
 
2012-09-27 07:08:42 PM

TheDumbBlonde: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.

Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.

American Protestantism? Was this a backdrop? America was founded by protesants of many stripes.


I'm not sure what sort of pedantic point you're trying to make, here.
 
2012-09-27 07:09:17 PM

Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.

It is interesting that when I was a wee boy, we were taught that we were Mormon, not Christian. This changed in the early 90s They weren't an offshoot and according to their religion, they aren't. They are a reboot of the original religion Jesus set up and was lost when he and his disciples were martyred.


This reinforces my feeling that, as a blanket statement, reboots suck.
 
2012-09-27 07:10:07 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.



i47.tinypic.com


"The Mormons are from Mars, Dad, we've had that checked out." (NSFW Language)
 
2012-09-27 07:12:11 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.

Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.


Depends on who you ask. Used to be they were Mormons not Christians. Kinda like how Ba'hai are Ba'hai, not Muslims.

Something changed though and now I hear a lot of "Mormons were always Christians".

I'm just fascinated by the birth of new religious sects, especially the more recent ones. Which ones stay small cults, which ones grow to multi-billion dollar enterprises. Like I said. It's fascinating.
 
2012-09-27 07:13:40 PM

Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlonde: Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.

It is interesting that when I was a wee boy, we were taught that we were Mormon, not Christian. This changed in the early 90s They weren't an offshoot and according to their religion, they aren't. They are a reboot of the original religion Jesus set up and was lost when he and his disciples were martyred.


Don't quote me incorrectly. I never posted that comment.
 
2012-09-27 07:17:15 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: TheDumbBlonde: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.

Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.

American Protestantism? Was this a backdrop? America was founded by protesants of many stripes.

I'm not sure what sort of pedantic point you're trying to make, here.


Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.
 
2012-09-27 07:18:24 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Nadie_AZ: TheDumbBlondetheotherperson: Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.

It is interesting that when I was a wee boy, we were taught that we were Mormon, not Christian. This changed in the early 90s They weren't an offshoot and according to their religion, they aren't. They are a reboot of the original religion Jesus set up and was lost when he and his disciples were martyred.

Don't quote me incorrectly. I never posted that comment.


Ah. Sorry. Didn't mean to pin anything on anyone. Just replying to what I saw.
 
2012-09-27 07:21:12 PM

TheDumbBlonde: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: TheDumbBlonde: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.

Well, technically, aren't Mormons a Protestant offshoot? They do consider themselves to be Christian and did pop into existence in the backdrop of American Protestantism.

American Protestantism? Was this a backdrop? America was founded by protesants of many stripes.

I'm not sure what sort of pedantic point you're trying to make, here.

Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.


You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).
 
2012-09-27 07:21:34 PM

simplicimus: fusillade762: I find it interesting that there are no WASPs on either ticket this time. That's a first, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably. One Mormon, one generic Christian, and two Catholics.


I just found out we have a WASPless SCOTUS right now, too. Three Jews and six Catholics. Interesting.

The End Of WASP-Dominated Politics
 
2012-09-27 07:26:06 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Pendantic? That's an opinion. Protestants founded this country...Anglicans in the South, and later Puritans in the North. That was my point.


Um ...

meat0918: You're forgetting the Spanish Catholic's influence in the West, as well as parts of the South(like Florida).


Ah. This has been taken care of.
 
Displayed 50 of 167 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report