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2012-09-27 02:45:13 PM
I'm a bit amused that Ralph Reed has come out of hibernation recently. And at this late date.
 
2012-09-27 02:46:04 PM
Ralph Reed is and always has been a horrible little scumbag who should be hit squarely in the nuts with a doorknob in a sock.
 
2012-09-27 02:53:38 PM
What? Someone who uses bibles as cudgels hasn't read them?

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT HAPPENING!
 
2012-09-27 02:54:46 PM
Ralph Reed missed the puberty memo.
 
2012-09-27 02:56:08 PM
Why is it that so many of these evangelical types (Ralph Reed, Joel Osteen, Jim Bakker, etc.) have the most punchable farking faces in the universe?
 
2012-09-27 02:57:38 PM
Ralph Reed isn't a Christian.

Right wing Republican "political" Christians AREN'T Christians.
 
2012-09-27 03:07:47 PM

Bloody William: Ralph Reed is and always has been a horrible little scumbag who should be hit squarely in the nuts with a doorknob in a sock.


What did that poor sock do to deserve this?
 
2012-09-27 03:17:06 PM
 
2012-09-27 03:17:13 PM
It also says "thou shall not kill" but that obviously means dick as well.
 
2012-09-27 03:17:55 PM

unlikely: What? Someone who uses bibles as cudgels hasn't read them?

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT HAPPENING!


The priest at my church when I was a kid had to disprove the existence of God using quotes from the bible. He said it was an easy assignment.

"The Devil can quote scripture for his purpose."

Reed is a Pharisee.
 
2012-09-27 03:19:45 PM

Bloody William: Ralph Reed is and always has been a horrible little scumbag who should be hit squarely in the nuts with a doorknob in a sock.


Why the sock?
 
2012-09-27 03:20:16 PM
People who use their religion as a political guide often break the rules of said religion? No f*cking way.
 
2012-09-27 03:22:13 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I'm a bit amused that Ralph Reed has come out of hibernation recently. And at this late date.


Cockroaches shun the light.
 
2012-09-27 03:23:31 PM

Somacandra: Bloody William: Ralph Reed is and always has been a horrible little scumbag who should be hit squarely in the nuts with a doorknob in a sock.

Why the sock?


Easier to gain momentum and better for repeated pounding.
 
2012-09-27 03:26:33 PM
FTFA: So, on line #7 of the Faith and Freedom Coalition guide, we find the words "Taxpayer Funded Abortion," with, predictably.... a "No" under Romney's.

i.imgur.com

Fact: Romneycare includes taxpayer-funded abortions. Politifact claims this is because of a 1981 Massachusetts Supreme Court ruling rather than Romney himself, but provides no evidence or citation to back that up.
 
2012-09-27 03:27:54 PM

Diogenes: Somacandra: Bloody William: Ralph Reed is and always has been a horrible little scumbag who should be hit squarely in the nuts with a doorknob in a sock.

Why the sock?

Easier to gain momentum and better for repeated pounding.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-27 03:29:42 PM
American Christians are worthless to pretty much everything on this planet.

For every decent one I meet, I also meet a dozen bugfarking crazy ones frothing with hate and demanding the special rights their fairy tales need to legalize their bigotry.
 
2012-09-27 03:32:12 PM
www.gabe-e.com

the bible is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules.
 
2012-09-27 03:33:01 PM

Somacandra: Bloody William: Ralph Reed is and always has been a horrible little scumbag who should be hit squarely in the nuts with a doorknob in a sock.

Why the sock?


Angular momentum.
 
2012-09-27 03:37:40 PM

gilgigamesh: Angular momentum.


upload.wikimedia.org

What the angular momentum of hitting Ralph Reed's nutsack with a doorknob in a sock might be analyzed in terms of:
 
2012-09-27 03:41:39 PM

Also:

i.imgur.com

R.I.....NO WAIT......GOOD RIDDANCE: RALPH REED'S NUTSACK
 
2012-09-27 04:05:52 PM
Every source I've seen so far says that Romney wants to abolish abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or if the woman's life is in danger.
 
2012-09-27 04:06:36 PM
Oh yes, and abortion is now a legal right, it wasn't always. It's a modern invention.
 
2012-09-27 04:14:33 PM
Obvious tag on vacation? This asshole has been using his baby face to cover for his blatant lies for about 20 years now.
 
2012-09-27 04:26:45 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: Oh yes, and abortion is now a legal right, it wasn't always. It's a modern invention.


So is not being a slave. Slavery was legal for thousands of years.
 
2012-09-27 04:27:16 PM
I can easily see Reed in a meeting with his carnies, shrieking about how Palin took all the good marks in '08 and how "this year we are NOT going to be out-grifted!"
 
2012-09-27 04:27:45 PM
The bible also says that if you are a christian then you are forgiven so then it's okay to lie, murder, take bribes whatever... you are forgiven!
 
2012-09-27 04:33:33 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can easily see Reed in a meeting with his carnies, shrieking about how Palin took all the good marks in '08 and how "this year we are NOT going to be out-grifted!"


I can see Reed with a dick in his mouth for some reason. NTTIAWWT (beyond hypocrisy that is)
 
2012-09-27 04:42:20 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: Oh yes, and abortion is now a legal right, it wasn't always. It's a modern invention.


You're insane or stupid. There are discussions of methods to cause abortion that are thousands of years old.
 
2012-09-27 04:48:28 PM

ghare: There are discussions of methods to cause abortion that are thousands of years old.


It's mentioned in the original Hippocratic Oath.
 
2012-09-27 04:48:33 PM

mrshowrules: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can easily see Reed in a meeting with his carnies, shrieking about how Palin took all the good marks in '08 and how "this year we are NOT going to be out-grifted!"

I can see Reed with a dick in his mouth for some reason. NTTIAWWT (beyond hypocrisy that is)


No, I can see it too. Closet cases have a different color on the gaydar.
 
2012-09-27 04:55:44 PM

ghare: You're insane or stupid.


Skywolf Philosopher
Account created:
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2012-09-27 04:59:07 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: The bible also says that if you are a christian then you are forgiven so then it's okay to lie, murder, take bribes whatever... you are forgiven!


My dear and venerable friend, if you wish to oppose viewpoints opposite to your own, at least do the proper research. No, it's not okay, the fundamental thing about Christianity is that, if you accept that God is real, came to earth in human form, lived and died and rose again from the grave as the final sacrifice, all with historical and prophetic evidence, then you are subject to the things God says are right and wrong, no excuses. You have to try and change. Someone who continues being a 'Christian' without a change of lifestyle, or without at least understanding that what God says is law to Christians, is likely going to backslide and turn away from the faith.

/Also, do you understand that the Jews in the Old Testament sacrificed animals because that was the penalty people deserved for every and any sin? It's that bad- though, of course, if you ain't a Christian, keep on playing your favorite song, we're not supposed to judge you. And Christ chose to die a terrible death because he didn't want Gentiles (anyone who's not a Jew) to go to hell. That's how bad of a place hell is. So, please put some serious thought to matters of life, death, oblivion, damnation, eternal salvation, and another world after this one is destroyed, a paradise for people who want to be there.
 
2012-09-27 05:02:43 PM

ghare: You're insane


For posting this stuff on Fark, I'm either that, or I am so serious about wanting people to have salvation, about people having understanding of the evidence to make an informed decision, that not only here nor there but in everything that I do, I share my 'faith' which, to me, is solid fact.

Please, my friend, consider how liberality creates chaos, and that moral truth is beyond humans to calculate, because we simply disagree about it.
 
2012-09-27 05:29:35 PM
Anything is justified in the name of God and Country...

...says the party that spent the 90's screaming about moral relativism.
 
2012-09-27 05:35:29 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: consider how liberality creates chaos, and that moral truth is beyond humans to calculate,


i780.photobucket.com

Deep thoughts.
 
2012-09-27 05:44:34 PM

Vodka Zombie: American Christians are worthless to pretty much everything on this planet.

For every decent one I meet, I also meet a dozen bugfarking crazy ones frothing with hate and demanding the special rights their fairy tales need to legalize their bigotry.


Stop oppressing me!
 
2012-09-27 05:47:47 PM
Ralph Reed is still in the closet? That is surprising.
 
2012-09-27 05:49:28 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [www.motherjones.com image 630x311]

Link


O.o WTF?
 
2012-09-27 05:49:50 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: ghare: You're insane

For posting this stuff on Fark, I'm either that, or I am so serious about wanting people to have salvation, about people having understanding of the evidence to make an informed decision, that not only here nor there but in everything that I do, I share my 'faith' which, to me, is solid fact.

Please, my friend, consider how liberality creates chaos, and that moral truth is beyond humans to calculate, because we simply disagree about it.


Ah, I get it, I've been trolled.Me, I am disappoint.
 
2012-09-27 05:50:52 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: ghare: You're insane

For posting this stuff on Fark, I'm either that, or I am so serious about wanting people to have salvation, about people having understanding of the evidence to make an informed decision, that not only here nor there but in everything that I do, I share my 'faith' which, to me, is solid fact.

Please, my friend, consider how liberality creates chaos, and that moral truth is beyond humans to calculate, because we simply disagree about it.


Are slave required by God to be obedient to their masters?
 
2012-09-27 05:52:21 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: Because People in power are Stupid: The bible also says that if you are a christian then you are forgiven so then it's okay to lie, murder, take bribes whatever... you are forgiven!

My dear and venerable friend, if you wish to oppose viewpoints opposite to your own, at least do the proper research. No, it's not okay, the fundamental thing about Christianity is that, if you accept that God is real, came to earth in human form, lived and died and rose again from the grave as the final sacrifice, all with historical and prophetic evidence, then you are subject to the things God says are right and wrong, no excuses. You have to try and change. Someone who continues being a 'Christian' without a change of lifestyle, or without at least understanding that what God says is law to Christians, is likely going to backslide and turn away from the faith.

/Also, do you understand that the Jews in the Old Testament sacrificed animals because that was the penalty people deserved for every and any sin? It's that bad- though, of course, if you ain't a Christian, keep on playing your favorite song, we're not supposed to judge you. And Christ chose to die a terrible death because he didn't want Gentiles (anyone who's not a Jew) to go to hell. That's how bad of a place hell is. So, please put some serious thought to matters of life, death, oblivion, damnation, eternal salvation, and another world after this one is destroyed, a paradise for people who want to be there.


Why would God demand someone destroy part of his creation, or offer any sort of blood, to try to woo him to forgive others of something? Seriously, he's a God, as if he needs any sort of catalyst to act.

That's like not forgiving your child for breaking a dish unless he kills the family cat, or tears up your rosebushes or something.
 
2012-09-27 05:54:27 PM

MisterLoki: Ralph Reed is still in the closet? That is surprising.


Have you seen his closet?

www.epm.org
 
2012-09-27 05:55:44 PM
You know who Jesus condemned? Liars, the self-rightous, and hypocrites.

Its right there in the book you keep thumping people with, but never bothered to read.
 
2012-09-27 06:00:20 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: My dear and venerable friend, if you wish to oppose viewpoints opposite to your own, at least do the proper research. No, it's not okay, the fundamental thing about Christianity is that, if you accept that God is real, came to earth in human form, lived and died and rose again from the grave as the final sacrifice, all with historical and prophetic evidence, then you are subject to the things God says are right and wrong, no excuses. You have to try and change. Someone who continues being a 'Christian' without a change of lifestyle, or without at least understanding that what God says is law to Christians, is likely going to backslide and turn away from the faith.


Then why are the worst offenders the ones that proclaim their love for God the loudest?
 
2012-09-27 06:01:05 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: Every source I've seen so far says that Romney wants to abolish abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or if the woman's life is in danger.


His own running mate co-sponsored a bill with Akin redefining rape as "legitimate rape", and when asked about the Personhood Amendment that failed to pass in Mississippi, Romney said he endorsed it. That bill would have banned abortions in ALL cases, as well as make forms of birth control illegal.

Of course, I'm sure Mitt has said otherwise, but he's supported this idea in the past, and if he's singing a different tune now it's only because the idea isn't very popular with most Americans.
 
2012-09-27 06:05:10 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: It's a modern invention.


Funny...

ANd here I was thinking that abortion had been around for a VERY long time...

Thank you for edumacating me,
 
2012-09-27 06:06:44 PM
Silly libs always forget the errata pages. See, if you doing God's work, it is okay to lie, cheat and steal. God obviously put you in that position to work for him, so whatever means you undertake to do that work must be acceptable, as God put you there.

Why don't those hippies at alternet try good old fashioned logic sometime instead of smoking that crazy weed?
 
2012-09-27 06:12:35 PM

Bloody William: Ralph Reed is and always has been a horrible little scumbag who should be hit squarely in the nuts with a doorknob in a sock.


Why give him that much extra padding?
 
2012-09-27 06:14:26 PM

wingnut396: Silly libs always forget the errata pages. See, if you doing God's work, it is okay to lie, cheat and steal. God obviously put you in that position to work for him, so whatever means you undertake to do that work must be acceptable, as God put you there.

Why don't those hippies at alternet try good old fashioned logic sometime instead of smoking that crazy weed?


Well, I know Mormons really do believe exactly that.
 
2012-09-27 06:28:14 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: Because People in power are Stupid: The bible also says that if you are a christian then you are forgiven so then it's okay to lie, murder, take bribes whatever... you are forgiven!

My dear and venerable friend, if you wish to oppose viewpoints opposite to your own, at least do the proper research. No, it's not okay, the fundamental thing about Christianity is that, if you accept that God is real, came to earth in human form, lived and died and rose again from the grave as the final sacrifice, all with historical and prophetic evidence, then you are subject to the things God says are right and wrong, no excuses. You have to try and change. Someone who continues being a 'Christian' without a change of lifestyle, or without at least understanding that what God says is law to Christians, is likely going to backslide and turn away from the faith.

/Also, do you understand that the Jews in the Old Testament sacrificed animals because that was the penalty people deserved for every and any sin? It's that bad- though, of course, if you ain't a Christian, keep on playing your favorite song, we're not supposed to judge you. And Christ chose to die a terrible death because he didn't want Gentiles (anyone who's not a Jew) to go to hell. That's how bad of a place hell is. So, please put some serious thought to matters of life, death, oblivion, damnation, eternal salvation, and another world after this one is destroyed, a paradise for people who want to be there.


Skywolf Philosopher: moral truth is beyond humans to calculate


I have never seen any fundamentalist Christian explain how those two concepts are compatible.

You claim to understand moral truth as described through the religion you embraced not because it is clear, but because it is likely what you grew up with, what you were taught, and what you already believed. Your morality is not through truth but through tradition, and not even very long-lived tradition. Most modern conceptions of morality have come from parroted beliefs of the last 200 years, shifting with the times. Most modern conceptions of damnation have come from memetic mutation, adapting the fictions and images of Dante and Bosch and similar writers to fit the vague and contradictory descriptions of damnation in the Bible. These are not moral truths. They are what you believe because it is what you probably were taught and grew up with.

Personally, I find the concept of salvation by grace morally contemptible. Any god who holds all humanity accountable for the sins of its long past fathers and requires fealty to be forgiven for the crimes we did not ourselves commit, and who in many accounts outright ignores the actions of people and focuses entirely on the acceptance, is not a just god.
 
2012-09-27 06:31:25 PM

Antimatter: Skywolf Philosopher: Because People in power are Stupid: The bible also says that if you are a christian then you are forgiven so then it's okay to lie, murder, take bribes whatever... you are forgiven!

My dear and venerable friend, if you wish to oppose viewpoints opposite to your own, at least do the proper research. No, it's not okay, the fundamental thing about Christianity is that, if you accept that God is real, came to earth in human form, lived and died and rose again from the grave as the final sacrifice, all with historical and prophetic evidence, then you are subject to the things God says are right and wrong, no excuses. You have to try and change. Someone who continues being a 'Christian' without a change of lifestyle, or without at least understanding that what God says is law to Christians, is likely going to backslide and turn away from the faith.

/Also, do you understand that the Jews in the Old Testament sacrificed animals because that was the penalty people deserved for every and any sin? It's that bad- though, of course, if you ain't a Christian, keep on playing your favorite song, we're not supposed to judge you. And Christ chose to die a terrible death because he didn't want Gentiles (anyone who's not a Jew) to go to hell. That's how bad of a place hell is. So, please put some serious thought to matters of life, death, oblivion, damnation, eternal salvation, and another world after this one is destroyed, a paradise for people who want to be there.

Why would God demand someone destroy part of his creation, or offer any sort of blood, to try to woo him to forgive others of something? Seriously, he's a God, as if he needs any sort of catalyst to act.

That's like not forgiving your child for breaking a dish unless he kills the family cat, or tears up your rosebushes or something.


You can't understand why god does anything. You can, however, understand exactly what he wants and what the punishment is if he doesn't get it. That's morality.
 
2012-09-27 06:43:46 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Link


Wow! That's just ......... Wow!
 
2012-09-27 06:57:54 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: Because People in power are Stupid: The bible also says that if you are a christian then you are forgiven so then it's okay to lie, murder, take bribes whatever... you are forgiven!

My dear and venerable friend, if you wish to oppose viewpoints opposite to your own, at least do the proper research. No, it's not okay, the fundamental thing about Christianity is that, if you accept that God is real, came to earth in human form, lived and died and rose again from the grave as the final sacrifice, all with historical and prophetic evidence, then you are subject to the things God says are right and wrong, no excuses. You have to try and change. Someone who continues being a 'Christian' without a change of lifestyle, or without at least understanding that what God says is law to Christians, is likely going to backslide and turn away from the faith.

/Also, do you understand that the Jews in the Old Testament sacrificed animals because that was the penalty people deserved for every and any sin? It's that bad- though, of course, if you ain't a Christian, keep on playing your favorite song, we're not supposed to judge you. And Christ chose to die a terrible death because he didn't want Gentiles (anyone who's not a Jew) to go to hell. That's how bad of a place hell is. So, please put some serious thought to matters of life, death, oblivion, damnation, eternal salvation, and another world after this one is destroyed, a paradise for people who want to be there.


i18.photobucket.com
A Parable

Buddha told a parable in sutra:

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him.

Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!
 
2012-09-27 07:02:00 PM

Mugato: It also says "thou shall not kill" but that obviously means dick as well.


Well, it says not to murder. The commandments were actually very much in favor to the point of actively encouraging warfare and capital punishment, which should be obvious from context if you read all of the several hundred laws that came down the mountain instead of suffering critical literacy failure at number ten.

//The actual phrase used before shiatty English translation is applied is clearly not a blanket ban on killing either.
 
2012-09-27 07:06:55 PM

Jim_Callahan: Well, it says not to murder


Yeah, I've heard that lawyer-speak before, "Don't kill, except in war or capital punishment or if your wife sleeps around or someone from another religion looks at you wrong or if it's Thursday...." whatever. There's nothing in the Bible that Man can't talk his way out of when it suits him.
 
2012-09-27 07:11:26 PM

Bloody William: Antimatter: Skywolf Philosopher: Because People in power are Stupid: The bible also says that if you are a christian then you are forgiven so then it's okay to lie, murder, take bribes whatever... you are forgiven!

My dear and venerable friend, if you wish to oppose viewpoints opposite to your own, at least do the proper research. No, it's not okay, the fundamental thing about Christianity is that, if you accept that God is real, came to earth in human form, lived and died and rose again from the grave as the final sacrifice, all with historical and prophetic evidence, then you are subject to the things God says are right and wrong, no excuses. You have to try and change. Someone who continues being a 'Christian' without a change of lifestyle, or without at least understanding that what God says is law to Christians, is likely going to backslide and turn away from the faith.

/Also, do you understand that the Jews in the Old Testament sacrificed animals because that was the penalty people deserved for every and any sin? It's that bad- though, of course, if you ain't a Christian, keep on playing your favorite song, we're not supposed to judge you. And Christ chose to die a terrible death because he didn't want Gentiles (anyone who's not a Jew) to go to hell. That's how bad of a place hell is. So, please put some serious thought to matters of life, death, oblivion, damnation, eternal salvation, and another world after this one is destroyed, a paradise for people who want to be there.

Why would God demand someone destroy part of his creation, or offer any sort of blood, to try to woo him to forgive others of something? Seriously, he's a God, as if he needs any sort of catalyst to act.

That's like not forgiving your child for breaking a dish unless he kills the family cat, or tears up your rosebushes or something.

You can't understand why god does anything. You can, however, understand exactly what he wants and what the punishment is if he doesn't get it. That's moralityfear of punishment.


BIG difference there. If you don't do something because you'll get punished for doing it, rather than because it harms someone else, that's not being moral. If that god changed his mind and said killing was A-OK, the people who would start killing would still be "moral" by your original definition.
 
2012-09-27 07:36:53 PM

friday13: BIG difference there. If you don't do something because you'll get punished for doing it, rather than because it harms someone else, that's not being moral. If that god changed his mind and said killing was A-OK, the people who would start killing would still be "moral" by your original definition.


You should probably flash the firmware on your sarcasm detector. I think it's hanging.
 
2012-09-27 07:57:26 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: Oh yes, and abortion is now a legal right, it wasn't always. It's a modern invention.


Point to the laws banning them
 
2012-09-27 08:00:34 PM

Bloody William: friday13: BIG difference there. If you don't do something because you'll get punished for doing it, rather than because it harms someone else, that's not being moral. If that god changed his mind and said killing was A-OK, the people who would start killing would still be "moral" by your original definition.

You should probably flash the firmware on your sarcasm detector. I think it's hanging.


I'm pretty sure I've previously made it rather clear that I don't even have one.
 
2012-09-27 09:15:07 PM

vernonFL: Ralph Reed isn't a Christian.

Right wing Republican "political" Christians AREN'T Christians.


No True Scotsman? Bullshiat. They're prototypical christians.
 
2012-09-27 09:23:41 PM

Bloody William: Ralph Reed is and always has been a horrible little scumbag who should be hit squarely in the nuts with a doorknob in a sock.


I saw the headline, read the article, then came here to say almost exactly what you have said, except I thought the impact should come from a black-powder-fired anvil.
 
2012-09-27 09:24:45 PM

Johnny Swank: vernonFL: Ralph Reed isn't a Christian.

Right wing Republican "political" Christians AREN'T Christians.

No True Scotsman? Bullshiat. They're prototypical christians.


2 + 2 = Potato. I'm a mathematician.

If they don't follow the teachings of Christ they are not Christains depsite what they call themselves. Jesus directed Christians to "turn the other cheek" and "not resist evil doers". Its kind of hard of God's Chosen Warriors when your leader preached unfettering pacifism.
 
2012-09-27 09:51:02 PM
imageshack.us

This doesn't just include Reed, but others like Rush Limbaugh.
Just saying...
 
2012-09-27 10:24:55 PM

Jim_Callahan: Well, it says not to murder. The commandments were actually very much in favor to the point of actively encouraging warfare and capital punishment, which should be obvious from context if you read all of the several hundred laws that came down the mountain instead of suffering critical literacy failure at number ten.


Which set of ten, though? Two pages later Moses comes down the mountain with a different ten. You can't exactly hold people to ransom for not reading all of farking Leviticus when it's clear the author didn't read all of Exodus.
 
2012-09-28 12:21:46 AM
Well, he's not actually neighbors with Obama...
 
2012-09-28 01:15:13 AM

TalenLee: Jim_Callahan: Well, it says not to murder. The commandments were actually very much in favor to the point of actively encouraging warfare and capital punishment, which should be obvious from context if you read all of the several hundred laws that came down the mountain instead of suffering critical literacy failure at number ten.

Which set of ten, though? Two pages later Moses comes down the mountain with a different ten. You can't exactly hold people to ransom for not reading all of farking Leviticus when it's clear the author didn't read all of Exodus.


I would pay top dollar for someone to agitate to post the "Ten Commandments" at a courthouse or school, get the public behind him, and then post THESE:

I Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.[a] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. "Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

II "Do not make any idols.

III "Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

IV "The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.

V "No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

VI "Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

VII "Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year. 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.

VIII "Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.

IX "Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.

X "Do not cook a young goat in its mother's milk."
 
2012-09-28 01:56:15 AM
Ralph Reed.

Ralph Reed?

Isn't he that new character on "True Blood?" Does he have his gay on for Jason Stackhouse?
 
2012-09-28 03:22:22 AM
Bearing false witness? That's a way of life for the entirety of right wing media.
 
2012-09-28 08:36:18 AM

Skywolf Philosopher: Because People in power are Stupid: The bible also says that if you are a christian then you are forgiven so then it's okay to lie, murder, take bribes whatever... you are forgiven!

My dear and venerable friend, if you wish to oppose viewpoints opposite to your own, at least do the proper research. No, it's not okay, the fundamental thing about Christianity is that, if you accept that God is real, came to earth in human form, lived and died and rose again from the grave as the final sacrifice, all with historical and prophetic evidence, then you are subject to the things God says are right and wrong, no excuses. You have to try and change. Someone who continues being a 'Christian' without a change of lifestyle, or without at least understanding that what God says is law to Christians, is likely going to backslide and turn away from the faith.

/Also, do you understand that the Jews in the Old Testament sacrificed animals because that was the penalty people deserved for every and any sin? It's that bad- though, of course, if you ain't a Christian, keep on playing your favorite song, we're not supposed to judge you. And Christ chose to die a terrible death because he didn't want Gentiles (anyone who's not a Jew) to go to hell. That's how bad of a place hell is. So, please put some serious thought to matters of life, death, oblivion, damnation, eternal salvation, and another world after this one is destroyed, a paradise for people who want to be there.


I can tell that you're going to burn eternally, blasphemer.
 
2012-09-28 08:43:44 AM
FTFA: Ralph Reed, who leads the right-wing Faith and Freedom Coalition, this week unveiled the organization's ostensibly "non-partisan" presidential election voter guide, which will be inserted into church bulletins throughout the nine battleground states in which the November election will be won or lost.

As explained in TFA, the "voter guide" includes photos of both candidates and specific hot-button platform issues intended to evoke an emotional response from the reader. It's not a neutral document designed to simply inform readers of their rights, it specifies details of the candidates and actual stances on policy for each one (whether true or not, that's not even what I'm addressing here).

Every church distributing this material should have its tax-exempt status revoked immediately and permanently. Every. Single. One.
 
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