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(The Atlantic Wire)   Hey, by the way while you were distracted by secret recordings and replacement referees, the US suffered its worst airpower loss since the Vietnam war in Afghanistan   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 169
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2012-09-27 01:04:12 PM
i care more about the marines who died than the damn overpriced planes.
 
2012-09-27 01:06:06 PM
The Vietnam War was in Vietnam, subby.
 
2012-09-27 01:07:08 PM
why are we still in Afghanistan anyway? i'm not even sure why we invaded them in the first place. something something terrorism war on drugs maybe?
 
2012-09-27 01:09:30 PM

Weaver95: why are we still in Afghanistan anyway? i'm not even sure why we invaded them in the first place. something something terrorism war on drugs maybe?


And why would we leave a squadron of highly valuable Harriers lying around the desert when we do everything via drone these days?
 
2012-09-27 01:13:46 PM

Kazan: i care more about the marines who died than the damn overpriced planes.


This

/Also the Harriers are the worst farking planes in the US arsenal, we need to mothball the damn things.
 
2012-09-27 01:18:17 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The Vietnam War was in Vietnam, subby.


Yeah, which we fought when the Gremans Bombed Pearl Harbor.
 
2012-09-27 01:19:14 PM
"Bogey's air speed not sufficient for intercept. Suggest we get out and walk."
 
2012-09-27 01:37:50 PM

NuttierThanEver: Kazan: i care more about the marines who died than the damn overpriced planes.

This

/Also the Harriers are the worst farking planes in the US arsenal, we need to mothball the damn things.


..and sell them on eBay so kids like this 7-year-old can buy them.
 
2012-09-27 01:37:53 PM
Damn, now we'll never be able to win in Afghanistan.
 
2012-09-27 01:41:26 PM
that is retarded, the reason air losses are shocking is because they mean something if the enemy you are fighting controls enough territory to either launch their own air forces or they control enough territory to have continual surface to air capabilities that limit your ability to support ground forces. Some guys blowing up jets on the ground is the same as any other piece of equipment and that is why nobody gives a shiat.
 
2012-09-27 01:45:17 PM
No I wasn't distracted, I read about this the other 500 times it has been submitted and redlit in the past week.
 
2012-09-27 01:49:11 PM
Maybe it's because I'm a ground-pounder, but I was more upset by the thousands of ground vehicles blown up by IEDs with guys actually inside them, rather than a bunch of unmanned hangar queens getting fragged..
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-27 02:00:00 PM
Actually I did hear about this, since I tend to tune out negative campaigning and don't follow sports closely.

Marcus Aurelius

I thought the Vietnam War was in Cambodia and Berkeley.
 
2012-09-27 02:07:41 PM
Those Talib must like those drones.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-27 02:11:04 PM
If I remember correctly from the last couple of time this was submitted, this is all Obama's fault be it was on "his watch" like he was there pulling guard duty and fell asleep or something, and the harriers can never be replaced because they are out of production and the author is too ignorant to have heard of the F-35 that will replace the Harriers and which is the reason that they are out of production.
 
2012-09-27 02:15:51 PM

Weaver95: why are we still in Afghanistan anyway? i'm not even sure why we invaded them in the first place. something something terrorism war on drugs maybe?


Well, that and we did sort of dismantle their government...
 
2012-09-27 02:46:21 PM

NuttierThanEver: Also the Harriers are the worst farking planes in the US arsenal, we need to mothball the damn things.




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2012-09-27 02:50:01 PM

hubiestubert: Weaver95: why are we still in Afghanistan anyway? i'm not even sure why we invaded them in the first place. something something terrorism war on drugs maybe?

Well, that and we did sort of dismantle their government...


They've never had a government. Whoever has the most machine guns is their ruler.
 
2012-09-27 03:00:37 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: NuttierThanEver: Also the Harriers are the worst farking planes in the US arsenal, we need to mothball the damn things.



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I said Planes, not some bastard cross bred monster that should have been aborted after 20th test flight crashed
 
2012-09-27 03:11:01 PM

Weaver95: why are we still in Afghanistan anyway? i'm not even sure why we invaded them in the first place. something something terrorism war on drugs maybe?


We're still there, because when we leave the Taliban is probably going to resume the reins of power in the country, and we can't be having that. Better to stay there and get shot at indefinitely because the alternative is a government we don't like.
 
2012-09-27 03:11:44 PM

vpb: If I remember correctly from the last couple of time this was submitted, this is all Obama's fault be it was on "his watch" like he was there pulling guard duty and fell asleep or something,


He takes credit for bagging Bin Laden, why shouldn't he take the blame for this?
 
2012-09-27 03:12:01 PM

Weaver95: why are we still in Afghanistan anyway? i'm not even sure why we invaded them in the first place. something something terrorism war on drugs maybe?



Well obviously after 17 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi, and the funding came from Saudi Arabia, obviously the best option was to demand Afghanistan "hand over" terrorists in areas of their country not even Pakistan could control. It's like America demanding Mexico hand over all the cartel leaders in 24 hours or face invasion.
 
2012-09-27 03:13:45 PM

Marcus Aurelius: hubiestubert: Weaver95: why are we still in Afghanistan anyway? i'm not even sure why we invaded them in the first place. something something terrorism war on drugs maybe?

Well, that and we did sort of dismantle their government...

They've never had a government. Whoever has the most machine guns is their ruler.


But our nation-building democracy bombs are going to change all that?
 
2012-09-27 03:14:43 PM
It's not really a distraction if someone chooses to be ignorant, subby. It's why I don't work well with sports fans who worship athletes.
 
2012-09-27 03:17:07 PM
So it was 8 planes but it was a new record?
 
2012-09-27 03:17:11 PM

Mighty_Joe: vpb: If I remember correctly from the last couple of time this was submitted, this is all Obama's fault be it was on "his watch" like he was there pulling guard duty and fell asleep or something,

He takes credit for bagging Bin Laden, why shouldn't he take the blame for this?


Did you allow him credit for bin Laden, or were you one of the ones shrieking it was all the SEALs and he did nothing?

If you allowed him the credit, you may assign the blame. Otherwise, STFU.
 
2012-09-27 03:17:31 PM
Let's put it in real perspective: Over the last 40 years, we lose about 1.375 Harriers per year to training accidents. During the 1990s, we lost an average of 2 per year, so this would be about 3 to 4 years worth of training accidents, except we lost fewer personnel.
 
2012-09-27 03:18:54 PM

ZAZ: I thought the Vietnam War was in Cambodia and Berkeley.


mostlywater.org
Sees what you did there.

Actually the Vietnam War was in my uncle's house last weekend. Good to see them get together and say "I lost so many friends over there" and "That was pointless nobody cared about us" and not get upset.
 
2012-09-27 03:19:07 PM
Ok, so the number of aircraft lost in Afghanistan is the worst since Vietnam. The number of aircraft lost in Afghanistan is 150 including NATO allies. We lost 2251 aircraft in Vietnam.

Here's the ratio of aircraft lost to number of sorties flown for WW2, Korea, and Vietnam: A ratio of roughly 0.4 losses per 1,000 sorties compared favorably with a 2.0 rate in Korea and the 9.7 figure during World War II.

I'm not exactly outraged at our air performance in this war.

/statistics provided by Wikipedia
 
2012-09-27 03:19:20 PM

NuttierThanEver: Kazan: i care more about the marines who died than the damn overpriced planes.

This

/Also the Harriers are the worst farking planes in the US arsenal, we need to mothball the damn things.


Good god, moths attack them too?
 
2012-09-27 03:19:42 PM

vudukungfu: Marcus Aurelius: The Vietnam War was in Vietnam, subby.

Yeah, which we fought when the Gremans Bombed Pearl Harbor.


And we never gave up.
 
2012-09-27 03:19:52 PM
I was going to say "yeah but it's only harriers"

Then they mention that without the harriers they have no fixed wing air support at camp freedom.

wtf?
 
2012-09-27 03:21:35 PM
Underreported. Why would the press make a big deal out of something that would hurt Obama's re-election effort. He is their favorite after all.

/Think that's BS? Imagine if this happened in Iraq, 2008. What level of reporting and press scutiny would this have recieved?
 
2012-09-27 03:21:50 PM

Mighty_Joe: vpb: If I remember correctly from the last couple of time this was submitted, this is all Obama's fault be it was on "his watch" like he was there pulling guard duty and fell asleep or something,

He takes credit for bagging Bin Laden, why shouldn't he take the blame for this?

That

was credit. This is blame. Sheesh, can't you see the difference?
 
2012-09-27 03:22:35 PM

intelligent comment below: Weaver95: why are we still in Afghanistan anyway? i'm not even sure why we invaded them in the first place. something something terrorism war on drugs maybe?


Well obviously after 17 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi, and the funding came from Saudi Arabia, obviously the best option was to demand Afghanistan "hand over" terrorists in areas of their country not even Pakistan could control. It's like America demanding Mexico hand over all the cartel leaders in 24 hours or face invasion.


Except they didn't say "Hey, we'll do our damnedest to get him for you". They said "Fark off and die, we'll try him for it here".

Also, we didn't give them 24 hours. Bush gave the ultimatum on September 20th. The Taliban responded on October 5th saying they would try him, which was of course unacceptable, and we started military operations 2 days after that on October 7th.

They had a bit over 2 weeks.
 
2012-09-27 03:23:47 PM

Weaver95: why are we still in Afghanistan anyway? i'm not even sure why we invaded them in the first place. something something terrorism war on drugs maybe?


Dont worry, obama is going to get us out in his second term, thats what he really meant.


Also subby missed one little phrase:
noting that it is "arguably the worst day in [U.S. Marine Corps] aviation history since the Tet Offensive of 1968."
 
2012-09-27 03:23:49 PM
I seems like if we weren't in Afganistan, this wouldn't have happened.
 
2012-09-27 03:24:43 PM

intelligent comment below: Weaver95: why are we still in Afghanistan anyway? i'm not even sure why we invaded them in the first place. something something terrorism war on drugs maybe?


Well obviously after 17 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi, and the funding came from Saudi Arabia, obviously the best option was to demand Afghanistan "hand over" terrorists in areas of their country not even Pakistan could control. It's like America demanding Mexico hand over all the cartel leaders in 24 hours or face invasion.


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2012-09-27 03:25:07 PM

dittybopper: Except they didn't say "Hey, we'll do our damnedest to get him for you". They said "Fark off and die, we'll try him for it here".



And? So what? You can't tell a country what to do when you want to. America can't tell a country to arrest someone and hand them over just because they want to

dittybopper: Also, we didn't give them 24 hours. Bush gave the ultimatum on September 20th. The Taliban responded on October 5th saying they would try him, which was of course unacceptable, and we started military operations 2 days after that on October 7th.

They had a bit over 2 weeks.


You're playing semantics I was just using that time frame as an example of how ridiculous it was.

... and it changes nothing.
 
2012-09-27 03:27:03 PM

steamingpile: Dont worry, obama is going to get us out in his second term, thats what he really meant.



0bama campaigned on ramping up Afghanistan, ending Iraq, and then setting a proper timetable to get out of the war he believed was justified. Sounds like he's actually living up to his campaign promise. I know that rakes you how a Democrat is far better at foreign policy than your compassionate conservative heroes.
 
2012-09-27 03:27:13 PM

Oakenshield: I seems like if we weren't in Afganistan, this wouldn't have happened.


They are Harriers. They regularly crash. It would have happened anyway, just over a slightly longer period of time.
 
2012-09-27 03:27:36 PM
I'm pretty sure that the Lightening II targeting pods and the APG radar are standard issue these days for aircraft dropping laser guided bombs. They're expensive sure, but not irreplaceable.
 
2012-09-27 03:29:03 PM

dittybopper: They are Harriers. They regularly crash. It would have happened anyway, just over a slightly longer period of time.


Sadly a bunch of marines died and now they have no fixed wing air support for that base. From a strategic viewpoint, It's a significant loss.
 
2012-09-27 03:29:04 PM
Sgt Otter: "I was more upset by the thousands of ground vehicles blown up by IEDs with guys actually inside them"

This.
 
2012-09-27 03:30:23 PM
When losing six aircraft is considered the worst loss of air power in a generation, you've got a pretty damn good track record.
 
2012-09-27 03:32:43 PM
The Vietnam War was in Vietnam, subby.

stop reading my mind!
 
2012-09-27 03:33:31 PM

intelligent comment below: dittybopper: Except they didn't say "Hey, we'll do our damnedest to get him for you". They said "Fark off and die, we'll try him for it here".


And? So what? You can't tell a country what to do when you want to. America can't tell a country to arrest someone and hand them over just because they want to


Yes, you can, for an act of war. To put it in perspective, more people died in the 9/11 attacks than died in the Pearl Harbor attack.

dittybopper: Also, we didn't give them 24 hours. Bush gave the ultimatum on September 20th. The Taliban responded on October 5th saying they would try him, which was of course unacceptable, and we started military operations 2 days after that on October 7th.

They had a bit over 2 weeks.

You're playing semantics I was just using that time frame as an example of how ridiculous it was.

... and it changes nothing.


Yep. Act of war. You side with the enemy, you become the enemy. That simple.
 
2012-09-27 03:34:06 PM

violentsalvation: No I wasn't distracted, I read about this the other 500 times it has been submitted and redlit in the past week.


So that's what you gain in return for $5 a month for TF? You get to read 500 failed submissions for every greenlit one. What a wise investment.
 
2012-09-27 03:35:52 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: When losing six aircraft is considered the worst loss of air power in a generation, you've got a pretty damn good track record.


yup.
 
2012-09-27 03:37:36 PM

intelligent comment below: dittybopper: Except they didn't say "Hey, we'll do our damnedest to get him for you". They said "Fark off and die, we'll try him for it here".


And? So what? You can't tell a country what to do when you want to. America can't tell a country to arrest someone and hand them over just because they want to

dittybopper: Also, we didn't give them 24 hours. Bush gave the ultimatum on September 20th. The Taliban responded on October 5th saying they would try him, which was of course unacceptable, and we started military operations 2 days after that on October 7th.

They had a bit over 2 weeks.

You're playing semantics I was just using that time frame as an example of how ridiculous it was.

... and it changes nothing.


This word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
 
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