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2012-09-27 12:47:46 PM
It's telling when even the most fervent teabagger/conservative Facebook friends stop posting their vitriolic spew and ForAmerica and BeingConservative group pics all over everyone's walls.

This election won't be a referendum on hate-spewing, bitter farks who claim to be "conservative". They'll go away for a while, put on some butthurt salve, and be back in 2.

The GOP losing 2016 definitely will be a coffin-nail in their failed cause.
 
2012-09-27 12:53:06 PM
See, Romney's actually saving the Obama camp a lot of money right now. The production value for repeating Romney's lines back at him is much lower than a scratch-made ad.
 
2012-09-27 12:53:11 PM
I don't care what your politics are, from a purely strategic perspective it is NOT a good sign when your opponent can run your own words as a campaign ad and have it come out as pretty damn effective. Romney is in serious trouble.

I think even our local GOP shills have started admitting to that fact.
 
2012-09-27 12:56:29 PM
What are the current Vegas odds of Ryan jumping ship?
 
2012-09-27 01:00:06 PM
I remember in multiple Fark comments from months and months ago multiple people predicitng that Obama would simply start running ads consisting entirely of Mitt Romney talking.

The joke: back then it was the constant flip-flopping. None of us even considered that Romney would outright shiat on 47% of the country.

The Stench grows with each passing day.
 
2012-09-27 01:00:23 PM
I can't wait for the conservative cargo cult of "context" cries copiously. I am absolutely amazing at alliteration.
 
2012-09-27 01:02:06 PM
Ouch.
 
2012-09-27 01:02:41 PM
i1151.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-27 01:07:09 PM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

I know it's not going to be like Reagan/Mondale but I'm wondering how big of a landslide it's going to be.
 
2012-09-27 01:08:33 PM
The Obama campaign told NBC the ad will run in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio and Virginia.

Not even bothering to run it in PA, presumably because it is already locked up.

But they are running it with the expectation they can swing Virginia and Nevada. Wow.
 
2012-09-27 01:10:33 PM

Irving Maimway: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 100x100]

I know it's not going to be like Reagan/Mondale but I'm wondering how big of a landslide it's going to be.


It's not going to be a landslide. With Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, and most of the Southern States, the Republican candidate starts off with around about 100 EVs pretty much as a given.
 
2012-09-27 01:10:38 PM

Chariset: What are the current Vegas odds of Ryan jumping ship?


That would be more damaging long term than staying the course.

He would be forever branded a quitter and a rat, long after the debacle that is the Romney campaign is forgotten.
 
2012-09-27 01:11:42 PM
latest polling data

With Rasmussen

Obama 328 - Tie 4- Romney 206

electoral-vote.com

Without Rasmussen

Obama 347 - Romney 191
electoral-vote.com
 
2012-09-27 01:12:57 PM
Link

538 has Obama with a 97.8% chance of winning for the now-cast and an 81.9% chance Nov. 6

Obama really is the luckiest man alive.
 
2012-09-27 01:13:08 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Irving Maimway: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 100x100]

I know it's not going to be like Reagan/Mondale but I'm wondering how big of a landslide it's going to be.

It's not going to be a landslide. With Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, and most of the Southern States, the Republican candidate starts off with around about 100 EVs pretty much as a given.


It depends on your definition of landslide.

People are starting to talk seriously about Romney dragging down not only the senate, but also the house with him. No one seriously considered that a possibility even a few months ago. And if that happens, I think we can safely call it at least a rout.
 
2012-09-27 01:14:47 PM

DeArmondVI: Link

538 has Obama with a 97.8% chance of winning for the now-cast and an 81.9% chance Nov. 6

Obama really is the luckiest man alive.


That would explain why Limbaugh just spent 20 minutes blasting Nate Silver.
 
2012-09-27 01:15:54 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: It's not going to be a landslide.


I dunno..

My wife was a life-long Texas GOP voter, and when O was voted in, she swore up and down she'd never vote Democrat ever in her life..

Annnnd.....

Just recently was asking about the merits of voting a straight Dem ticket to "teach those Republican assholes a lesson for keeping our country in a choke-hold"
 
2012-09-27 01:18:05 PM

Kazan: latest polling data

With Rasmussen
Obama 328 - Tie 4- Romney 206

[electoral-vote.com image 580x359]

Without Rasmussen

Obama 347 - Romney 191
[electoral-vote.com image 580x359]


That's a great graphic

/I love the idea of Arizona with a wall around it
 
2012-09-27 01:18:08 PM
25.media.tumblr.com 

http://historicalromneys.tumblr.com/

These 47% comments SHOULD be haunting Romney. You shouldn't be president of a country where you think half the population is evil parasites who will "never take responsibility" for their lives
 
2012-09-27 01:18:38 PM
I was wondering when they would start doing this. Romney's probably given them enough materials for four or five different ads
 
2012-09-27 01:18:40 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Irving Maimway: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 100x100]

I know it's not going to be like Reagan/Mondale but I'm wondering how big of a landslide it's going to be.

It's not going to be a landslide. With Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, and most of the Southern States, the Republican candidate starts off with around about 100 EVs pretty much as a given.


wait till 2025... texas is predicted to flip to D+2
 
2012-09-27 01:18:54 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Irving Maimway:
I know it's not going to be like Reagan/Mondale but I'm wondering how big of a landslide it's going to be.

It's not going to be a landslide. With Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, and most of the Southern States, the Republican candidate starts off with around about 100 EVs pretty much as a given.


This is true, I forget sometimes how much the redneck vote gets you in the Electoral College.
 
2012-09-27 01:19:21 PM

Irving Maimway: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 100x100]

I know it's not going to be like Reagan/Mondale but I'm wondering how big of a landslide it's going to be.


Obama is probably going to win all of the swing states and stay in because of that. I don't think any red state will suddenly go blue unless Arizona enforces a law to shoot people failing the 'paper bag' test.
 
2012-09-27 01:19:31 PM

Kazan: latest polling data

With Rasmussen
Obama 328 - Tie 4- Romney 206

[electoral-vote.com image 580x359]

Without Rasmussen

Obama 347 - Romney 191
[electoral-vote.com image 580x359]


I'm surprised MO isn't closer to flipping. I figured the Akin mess would lead to Obama getting a bit of a boost there. Didn't he manage to essentially tie the state in 08?
 
2012-09-27 01:20:09 PM

Kazan:
wait till 2025... texas is predicted to flip to D+2


Yes, the Southwest is going to go D as a whole as the minority majority builds up.
 
2012-09-27 01:20:26 PM

gilgigamesh: That would explain why Limbaugh just spent 20 minutes blasting Nate Silver.


The new republican strategy of trashing the polls is really bizarre. Do they really believe that if they can somehow convince people that the polls aren't true, that the polls will actually lose their validity? Or is it all a desperate attempt to keep the fund raising spigot open a little longer by convincing gullible conservatives that Romney still has a chance?
 
2012-09-27 01:20:36 PM

Lost Thought 00: I'm surprised MO isn't closer to flipping. I figured the Akin mess would lead to Obama getting a bit of a boost there. Didn't he manage to essentially tie the state in 08?


Dems were waiting on really hammering Akin until the final deadline to drop had passed. We'll see what happens now.
 
2012-09-27 01:21:50 PM
 
2012-09-27 01:22:08 PM

gilgigamesh: Chariset: What are the current Vegas odds of Ryan jumping ship?

That would be more damaging long term than staying the course.

He would be forever branded a quitter and a rat, long after the debacle that is the Romney campaign is forgotten.


Well, that depends. The best idea for the GOP after this election is to seriously damage control Romney. Especially if shiat goes REALLY south and they end up losing the senate and/or house. At that point, they need to completely wash their hands of the guy and say that he doesn't represent the GOP's values. If that's the direction they're going (and they may do it even IF the house/senate losses aren't looking to be that big), then Ryan has every incentive in the world to jump ship. He would want to position himself as volunteering to try to ballast Romney back into reality.

Either way, it's going to be a backstabby few months as the GOP eats themselves hungry.
 
2012-09-27 01:22:28 PM

markie_farkie: My wife was a life-long Texas GOP voter, and when O was voted in, she swore up and down she'd never vote Democrat ever in her life.. Annnnd... Just recently was asking about the merits of voting a straight Dem ticket to "teach those Republican assholes a lesson for keeping our country in a choke-hold"


I know several other Texans in the same boat.

Texans. Voting straight Democrat. I know that the popular vote means less than bugger all, but it's still mind-boggling.

/Not Texan, but this year was the first time I've voted straight-ticket.
//Democrat, of course.
 
2012-09-27 01:22:30 PM

Amdam: I was wondering when they would start doing this. Romney's probably given them enough materials for four or five forty or fifty different ads


FTFY.
 
2012-09-27 01:22:54 PM
Someone needs to create a Romney For Obama SuperPac and just run all his past statements supporting insurance mandates, gay rights, and abortion.
 
2012-09-27 01:23:08 PM
Hell, you could make a full-hour infomercial of other Republicans ripping Mitt to shreds just from the 2012 primaries.
 
2012-09-27 01:23:10 PM
[wraps tail very protectively around tiny quail eggs, carefully refrains from counting them]
 
2012-09-27 01:23:33 PM

Dinki: gilgigamesh: That would explain why Limbaugh just spent 20 minutes blasting Nate Silver.

The new republican strategy of trashing the polls is really bizarre. Do they really believe that if they can somehow convince people that the polls aren't true, that the polls will actually lose their validity? Or is it all a desperate attempt to keep the fund raising spigot open a little longer by convincing gullible conservatives that Romney still has a chance?


I think it's to keep people from being demotivated since that would have an effect down ticket.
 
2012-09-27 01:23:38 PM

Lost Thought 00: Kazan: latest polling data

With Rasmussen
Obama 328 - Tie 4- Romney 206

[electoral-vote.com image 580x359]

Without Rasmussen

Obama 347 - Romney 191
[electoral-vote.com image 580x359]

I'm surprised MO isn't closer to flipping. I figured the Akin mess would lead to Obama getting a bit of a boost there. Didn't he manage to essentially tie the state in 08?


that farkstick akin is still leading (47-46)
 
2012-09-27 01:23:42 PM

gilgigamesh: DeArmondVI: Link

538 has Obama with a 97.8% chance of winning for the now-cast and an 81.9% chance Nov. 6

Obama really is the luckiest man alive.

That would explain why Limbaugh just spent 20 minutes blasting Nate Silver.


I just heard that as I was getting outta the car
 
2012-09-27 01:23:51 PM

Irving Maimway: Kazan:
wait till 2025... texas is predicted to flip to D+2

Yes, the Southwest is going to go D as a whole as the minority majority builds up.


At which point the Republicans will attempt Civil War 2, claiming (somewhat accurately) that the Federal Government is incapable of properly representing their interests
 
2012-09-27 01:24:29 PM

Dinki: gilgigamesh: That would explain why Limbaugh just spent 20 minutes blasting Nate Silver.

The new republican strategy of trashing the polls is really bizarre. Do they really believe that if they can somehow convince people that the polls aren't true, that the polls will actually lose their validity? Or is it all a desperate attempt to keep the fund raising spigot open a little longer by convincing gullible conservatives that Romney still has a chance?


I'm pretty sure its a desperate effort to keep the base -- who is already not happy having to vote for Romney -- from completely losing hope.

If they don't discredit the polls the base will give up and not bother to turn out, and it really WILL be a landslide.
 
2012-09-27 01:24:31 PM

Chariset: What are the current Vegas odds of Ryan jumping ship?


Not going to happen: If he did and Romney's campaign collapsed shortly afterward, people within the GOP would make him the scapegoat.
 
2012-09-27 01:24:47 PM

gilgigamesh: DeArmondVI: Link

538 has Obama with a 97.8% chance of winning for the now-cast and an 81.9% chance Nov. 6

Obama really is the luckiest man alive.

That would explain why Limbaugh just spent 20 minutes blasting Nate Silver.


Pray tell how?
He's a statistician, he doesn't do the polls.
 
2012-09-27 01:24:49 PM

gilgigamesh: DeArmondVI: Link

538 has Obama with a 97.8% chance of winning for the now-cast and an 81.9% chance Nov. 6

Obama really is the luckiest man alive.

That would explain why Limbaugh just spent 20 minutes blasting Nate Silver.


That's ...unfortunate. Given how Rushbo's "Sandra Fluke" comments sprouted legs, I predict that we'll see a rash of conservative statisticalisticians popping up to oppose Nate Silver and the incontrovertible liberal bias of his sidekick, Math.
 
2012-09-27 01:24:52 PM

zarberg: Hell, you could make a full-hour infomercial of other Republicans ripping Mitt to shreds just from the 2012 primaries.


Also known as the Presidential Debates
 
2012-09-27 01:25:01 PM

markie_farkie: The GOP losing 2016 definitely will be a coffin-nail in their failed cause.


I'm actually thinking 2014 will be when the whole thing comes crashing down for Republicans. There's really no way they can avoid it either. They're going to splinter into disparate, politically-worthless, little groups of varying ideologies and levels of "purity" with no political clout whatsoever. There will be some overlap in platforms, but by and large, no one will want to (or probably even be able to) work with them. Some will try to regain a moderate, fiscally conservative position, but they'll be tossed because they don't have enough Jesus.

After they lose their majority in the House, they will, once again, fling themselves even further to the right and run probably the most ideologically insane and blatantly fascist, socially conservative candidate they can muster for 2016. And, all the Democrats will have to do is what Obama is doing to Romney now: Running ads of Romney taking.

There's just no future for the GOP that doesn't end with them eating themselves.
 
2012-09-27 01:25:28 PM
Its bad out there for Repubs:

Last Night I Cried

media.giantbomb.com
 
2012-09-27 01:25:46 PM

Dinki: gilgigamesh: That would explain why Limbaugh just spent 20 minutes blasting Nate Silver.

The new republican strategy of trashing the polls is really bizarre. Do they really believe that if they can somehow convince people that the polls aren't true, that the polls will actually lose their validity? Or is it all a desperate attempt to keep the fund raising spigot open a little longer by convincing gullible conservatives that Romney still has a chance?


yes
 
2012-09-27 01:25:55 PM
Guess Romney's just going to have to keep beating himself.
 
2012-09-27 01:25:55 PM

Irving Maimway: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Irving Maimway:
I know it's not going to be like Reagan/Mondale but I'm wondering how big of a landslide it's going to be.

It's not going to be a landslide. With Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, and most of the Southern States, the Republican candidate starts off with around about 100 EVs pretty much as a given.

This is true, I forget sometimes how much the redneck vote gets you in the Electoral College.


To be fair, the Democrats can usually count on about 150 votes from the West and New England, but the only hardcore states seem to be MA and DC.
 
2012-09-27 01:25:55 PM

gilgigamesh: DeArmondVI: Link

538 has Obama with a 97.8% chance of winning for the now-cast and an 81.9% chance Nov. 6

Obama really is the luckiest man alive.

That would explain why Limbaugh just spent 20 minutes blasting Nate Silver.


Given that Silver correctly called 49 states in 2008, I'd say math is probably on his side.
 
2012-09-27 01:26:31 PM

Irving Maimway: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 100x100]

I know it's not going to be like Reagan/Mondale but I'm wondering how big of a landslide it's going to be.


Not even close; I'd place a 6 to 1 bet that Obama won't crack 400 EVs. I'd love him to, believe me, nothing would make me happer than Obama getting 400+; unless he takes Texas, that won't be happening.
 
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