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2012-09-27 10:35:55 AM
So Mittens only hope is to beat one of the best speakers of our time in a debate? Not just beat but crush and humiliate.

/OK snowball, you can do this. You can make it through Hell and come out the other side. All you have to do is not melt. Good luck and God speed.
//Romney is DOOOOoooooooomed
 
2012-09-27 10:36:47 AM
I hope he talks about what a success RomneyCare is.
 
2012-09-27 10:39:11 AM

Aarontology: I hope he talks about what a success RomneyCare is.


Preferably in the same breath in which he expresses his desire to repeal nationwide-RomneyCare.
 
2012-09-27 10:41:15 AM

I've been to the future, and i have a picture of a post-debate Mitt Romney:

meghanh4.edublogs.org


Thankfully, nothing was burned. Just deeply singed.
 
2012-09-27 10:41:55 AM

Voiceofreason01: So Mittens only hope is to beat one of the best speakers of our time in a debate? Not just beat but crush and humiliate.


While Barack Obama is a good public speaker, I don't think he's a great debater. I'd say him and Mitt Romney are about evenly matched in the debates.

Obama tends to be too, uh, clinical and, uh, pauses, uh, a little, uh, too often. Romney looks very uncomfortable when challenged and sometimes responds with too much smugness.

If they were giving dueling speeches, Obama would probably win comfortably.
 
2012-09-27 10:44:57 AM

JerseyTim: While Barack Obama is a good public speaker, I don't think he's a great debater. I'd say him and Mitt Romney are about evenly matched in the debates.


Have you seen Mitt Romney debate?
 
2012-09-27 10:45:19 AM
At this point I feel like if and only if Romney accidentally lights his podium on fire does the President have a fighting chance
 
2012-09-27 10:46:39 AM

cameroncrazy1984: JerseyTim: While Barack Obama is a good public speaker, I don't think he's a great debater. I'd say him and Mitt Romney are about evenly matched in the debates.

Have you seen Mitt Romney debate?


Yes, and I've seen Obama debate. I'm not picking either in the first round of my forensics fantasy team.
 
2012-09-27 10:49:06 AM

King Something: Aarontology: I hope he talks about what a success RomneyCare is.

Preferably in the same breath in which he expresses his desire to repeal nationwide-RomneyCare.


That would be a hoot.

"I have a record of being pro-health insurance and getting people covered. Which is why I would be the better choice for real health care reform by repealing ObamaCare"
 
2012-09-27 10:50:07 AM

JerseyTim: cameroncrazy1984: JerseyTim: While Barack Obama is a good public speaker, I don't think he's a great debater. I'd say him and Mitt Romney are about evenly matched in the debates.

Have you seen Mitt Romney debate?

Yes, and I've seen Obama debate. I'm not picking either in the first round of my forensics fantasy team.


It's as if you have never seen someone say "uh" in a speech before. I don't recall that being an issue when he handily beat McCain in 2008.

Romney, on the other hand, makes $10,000 bets and is prone to being angered. Obama will win easily. Even if he says "uh" a couple times.
 
2012-09-27 10:51:12 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: At this point I feel like if and only if Romney accidentally lights his podium on fire does the President have a fighting chance


What if he Romney starts sweating uncontrollably and then spends the next ten minutes berating his podium for being a moocher and not having a job?
 
2012-09-27 10:53:02 AM
I'm anticipating that we're going to see a performance which resembles Morgan Freeman debating the Chevy Chase version of Gerald Ford.
 
2012-09-27 10:58:41 AM

Voiceofreason01: DammitIForgotMyLogin: At this point I feel like if and only if Romney accidentally lights his podium on fire does the President have a fighting chance

What if he Romney starts sweating uncontrollably and then spends the next ten minutes berating his podium for being a moocher and not having a job?


What if Obama turns around, bends over and starts quoting Mitt Romney while talking out of his ass like Jim Carrey?
officialemmastone.com
 
2012-09-27 11:00:08 AM

Krymson Tyde:
What if he Romney starts sweating uncontrollably and then spends the next ten minutes berating his podium for being a moocher and not having a job?

What if Obama turns around, bends over and starts quoting Mitt Romney while talking out of his ass like Jim Carrey?
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I'd still vote for him before Romney.

/Romney sweating and calling poor people names is A LOT more likely though
 
2012-09-27 11:00:48 AM
Sooooo excited!
 
2012-09-27 11:20:47 AM

cameroncrazy1984: JerseyTim: cameroncrazy1984: JerseyTim: While Barack Obama is a good public speaker, I don't think he's a great debater. I'd say him and Mitt Romney are about evenly matched in the debates.

Have you seen Mitt Romney debate?

Yes, and I've seen Obama debate. I'm not picking either in the first round of my forensics fantasy team.

It's as if you have never seen someone say "uh" in a speech before. I don't recall that being an issue when he handily beat McCain in 2008.

Romney, on the other hand, makes $10,000 bets and is prone to being angered. Obama will win easily. Even if he says "uh" a couple times.


If his campaign wasn't on fire at the moment, I would beg to differ with you simply because Romney's weak spot of being easily angered would be recognized and coached out of him by a competent debate prep team.

But seeing as his campaign staff is probably too busy contemplating mass suicide, you are probably right.
 
2012-09-27 11:23:20 AM

gilgigamesh: If his campaign wasn't on fire at the moment, I would beg to differ with you simply because Romney's weak spot of being easily angered would be recognized and coached out of him by a competent debate prep team.


This also depends upon Romney being capable to accepting criticism and direction from people he considers lesser than himself.
 
2012-09-27 11:34:22 AM

Aarontology: gilgigamesh: If his campaign wasn't on fire at the moment, I would beg to differ with you simply because Romney's weak spot of being easily angered would be recognized and coached out of him by a competent debate prep team.

This also depends upon Romney being capable to accepting criticism and direction from people he considers lesser than himself.


Also, both Romney and his staff all consider being a total dick to be the same as giving a good answer. So I'm guessing that in the debate coaching, Romney mostly gives dickish responses, and his crew all say "wow that was really good!"
 
2012-09-27 11:45:37 AM

Hollie Maea: Aarontology: gilgigamesh: If his campaign wasn't on fire at the moment, I would beg to differ with you simply because Romney's weak spot of being easily angered would be recognized and coached out of him by a competent debate prep team.

This also depends upon Romney being capable to accepting criticism and direction from people he considers lesser than himself.

Also, both Romney and his staff all consider being a total dick to be the same as giving a good answer. So I'm guessing that in the debate coaching, Romney mostly gives dickish responses, and his crew all say "wow that was really good!"


Yep. I don't think they've truly understood that the board room is a bit different than most situations.
 
2012-09-27 11:49:11 AM

gilgigamesh: If his campaign wasn't on fire at the moment, I would beg to differ with you simply because Romney's weak spot of being easily angered would be recognized and coached out of him by a competent debate prep team.


The other day Romney said (jokingly), that after his mock debates with Portman he wanted to "kick him out of the room." Why he would joke about getting that frustrated with the guy pretending to be Obama beats me, but it makes me think that temper may not be in check just yet.
 
2012-09-27 11:52:08 AM
This November will be an unMITTigated disaster!
 
2012-09-27 11:56:01 AM

WI241TH: gilgigamesh: If his campaign wasn't on fire at the moment, I would beg to differ with you simply because Romney's weak spot of being easily angered would be recognized and coached out of him by a competent debate prep team.

The other day Romney said (jokingly), that after his mock debates with Portman he wanted to "kick him out of the room." Why he would joke about getting that frustrated with the guy pretending to be Obama beats me, but it makes me think that temper may not be in check just yet.


So what might be a good tactic is if Obama takes his first few seconds, points at himself, then points at Romney, drops his mic on the floor, walks over, rubs his dick on Romney's mic and tosses it to the crowd, then stands there smiling for the rest of the debate. Romney's head will unscrew, steam will shoot out of his ears, and he'll call Obama everything but a Child of God. Game over.
 
2012-09-27 11:56:17 AM

choo: This November will be an unMITTigated disaster!


i72.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-27 11:58:55 AM
Romney is going to run out there and call Obama a liar and Obama is going to smile and chuckle a bit and say something like "I have the full report stating A back at the White House, I can send it to you after the debate if you need a refresher".
 
2012-09-27 12:09:41 PM

dahmers love zombie: So what might be a good tactic is if Obama takes his first few seconds, points at himself, then points at Romney, drops his mic on the floor, walks over, rubs his dick on Romney's mic and tosses it to the crowd, then stands there smiling for the rest of the debate. Romney's head will unscrew, steam will shoot out of his ears, and he'll call Obama everything but a Child of God. Game over.


...Maybe he should save that for the third debate
 
2012-09-27 12:25:22 PM
Mitt hasn't said anything of substance about his platform. Nothing. He could go into the debates and counter Obama's charges of this by actually spelling out his plans. This could catch Obama off guard enough for him to win the debate.

Why yes, I am paranoid. I'm a Bills fan. I've seen 4 Super Bowl losses in a row. Seeing victory snatched away at the last second is almost in my DNA.

I am glad others are more optimistic.
 
2012-09-27 12:33:29 PM
We're talking about a guy who got flustered by Rick Scott. He's a long, long, longshot to beat Obama in the debates.
 
2012-09-27 12:41:24 PM
Mitt Romney can't even win a debate with himself. He's taken opposing positions on just about every issue at one time or another.
 
2012-09-27 12:42:51 PM
The problem he really faces is how he and the echo chamber define victory.

If he answers every question with "The Outsourcer in Chief wants to steal your money and redistribute it to the cheaters" and "I'm all about doing what's best for America" with no other substance whatsoever, they'll declare it a flawless victory.
 
2012-09-27 12:43:07 PM
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Mitt's last hope for a Flawless Victory will be to master the very difficult Kintaro transformation. Then he's got a chance. Not a great chance, but at least a chance. 

/current favorite move to do at the dinner table
//trying to teach it to the kids
///wife thinks I'm crazy 
 
2012-09-27 12:49:02 PM
mutantreviewers.files.wordpress.com  
 
Mitt Romney, "It'll be a slaughter!"
 
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Karl Rove, "That's the spirit!"
 
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Mitt, "No Karl, my slaughter."
 
2012-09-27 12:49:53 PM
All Obama has to do to clinch this thing is to end the debates with "this isn't some empty chair that you're talking to. This isn't the imaginary Obama that is in your head. I'm the REAL Barack Obama, and your portrayal of me and reality are not even close."
 
2012-09-27 12:50:04 PM
The problem Romney has is that Obama would have to shoot himself in the foot. He won't do that. He's been president for four years and hasn't made a catastrophic public speaking error. His gods and guns comment was maybe the worst thing he said and let's be honest, it's true. You didn't built that was completely taken out of context.

Obama fared well against a good debater in Hillary and also against McCain. Romney is not the worst on his feet but he comes off like a clown on stage regardless of whether or not he's right.
 
2012-09-27 12:50:14 PM

WI241TH: The other day Romney said (jokingly), that after his mock debates with Portman he wanted to "kick him out of the room." Why he would joke about getting that frustrated with the guy pretending to be Obama beats me, but it makes me think that temper may not be in check just yet.


Perhaps I will tune in after all. I really don't want to right now---its so painful to watch Romney's awkwardness. Its why I can't get into the British version of The Office. Too hard to watch.
 
2012-09-27 12:50:38 PM
Besides, the polls don't lie.  No one even needs to vote.  Obama's got this in the bag people.  Why you so worried?
 
2012-09-27 12:50:41 PM

unlikely: The problem he really faces is how he and the echo chamber define victory.

If he answers every question with "The Outsourcer in Chief wants to steal your money and redistribute it to the cheaters" and "I'm all about doing what's best for America" with no other substance whatsoever, they'll declare it a flawless victory.


True, but they were gonna declare it a flawless victory for Romney no matter what happens, and they've already decided about 46-and-a-half months ago that they would not vote for Obama in 2012 under any circumstances.

The problem Mitt faces is trying to win over any voters who are not in the echo chamber.
 
2012-09-27 12:50:47 PM

I_C_Weener: [mutantreviewers.files.wordpress.com image 525x350]  
 
Mitt Romney, "It'll be a slaughter!"
 
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Karl Rove, "That's the spirit!"
 
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Mitt, "No Karl, my slaughter."


You bastard. They win, in the end.

The other guy? "We die."
 
2012-09-27 12:53:50 PM

Nadie_AZ: Mitt hasn't said anything of substance about his platform. Nothing. He could go into the debates and counter Obama's charges of this by actually spelling out his plans. This could catch Obama off guard enough for him to win the debate.


That's true, but it's a big risk on the Romney camp's part as it would have to be specifics for a policy that hasn't been floated before (to keep Obama off guard), but one that fits the general rubric of the campaign platform already (repealing ACA, lowering tax rates, aggressive foreign policy, etc.).

Obama has a couple of different options at that point: (1) respond directly to specifics, (2) brush it off as another plan that Romney will reverse on in the next few days, (3) follow up with own talking points/plan, or (4) goad Romney into screwing up the plan.
 
2012-09-27 12:54:56 PM

Nadie_AZ: I_C_Weener: [mutantreviewers.files.wordpress.com image 525x350]  
 
Mitt Romney, "It'll be a slaughter!"
 
[t3.gstatic.com image 200x248]
 
Karl Rove, "That's the spirit!"
 
[i2.ytimg.com image 320x180]
 
Mitt, "No Karl, my slaughter."

You bastard. They win, in the end.

The other guy? "We die."



I love quoting those lines though.  I re-watched it recently.  That is really a bad movie.  No idea why I have such fond memories of it.
 
2012-09-27 12:56:41 PM

I_C_Weener: I love quoting those lines though.  I re-watched it recently.  That is really a bad movie.  No idea why I have such fond memories of it.


I dunno. I saw it a few years ago. It wasn't nearly the 'Star Wars' kind of movie I'd remembered it being, but it wasn't bad. I'll say this: I've never seen a mobile home park look so damn good.
 
2012-09-27 01:01:14 PM
Romney has to be under incredible levels of pressure. moreso than at any other time in his life. the sad thing is, even if a miracle occurs and Romney hits the ball outta the park at the first debate....he still only breaks even. he doesn't gain anything.

*sigh*

that said, given Romney's past history of flubs, gaffes and flat out lies (not to mention his anger management issues and generally deadpan delivery) I'd have to say the odds are against Romney doing well in a debate against Obama.
 
2012-09-27 01:05:21 PM
Wednesday is going to be a hell of a TV viewing day for me. My friend is on Jeopardy! and then Mittens is going to be lambasted.
 
2012-09-27 01:05:49 PM

Weaver95: Romney has to be under incredible levels of pressure. moreso than at any other time in his life. the sad thing is, even if a miracle occurs and Romney hits the ball outta the park at the first debate....he still only breaks even. he doesn't gain anything.

*sigh*

that said, given Romney's past history of flubs, gaffes and flat out lies (not to mention his anger management issues and generally deadpan delivery) I'd have to say the odds are against Romney doing well in a debate against Obama.


I was watching a documentary on Hunter Thompson recently and his coverage of the '72 election. He spread a false rumor about a Democratic candidate being hooked on some drug or other, all while the candidate he supported was actually using stimulants to get through the campaign. So we know, historically, that candidates will use coffee, alcohol, nicotine, and other drugs to last during such a grueling, stressful and demanding period of time. Romney uses none of these The human body does have limits. He is reaching those limits, I suspect.
 
2012-09-27 01:11:15 PM

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: Romney has to be under incredible levels of pressure. moreso than at any other time in his life. the sad thing is, even if a miracle occurs and Romney hits the ball outta the park at the first debate....he still only breaks even. he doesn't gain anything.

*sigh*

that said, given Romney's past history of flubs, gaffes and flat out lies (not to mention his anger management issues and generally deadpan delivery) I'd have to say the odds are against Romney doing well in a debate against Obama.

I was watching a documentary on Hunter Thompson recently and his coverage of the '72 election. He spread a false rumor about a Democratic candidate being hooked on some drug or other, all while the candidate he supported was actually using stimulants to get through the campaign. So we know, historically, that candidates will use coffee, alcohol, nicotine, and other drugs to last during such a grueling, stressful and demanding period of time. Romney uses none of these The human body does have limits. He is reaching those limits, I suspect.


oh I don't think Romney actually follows all the petty details of his chosen religion. i'm sure he's gulping coffee by the gallons while off camera. In fact, I wouldn't blame him if he was on some form of mood stabilizer or anti-depressant. He's under enormous pressure and he HAS to get it right during the debates. sure, no matter what happens both sides will claim victory...but Obama is a damn good public speaker, with a relaxed style and projects an 'at ease' attitude during his time on stage. Romney has *always* come across as uncomfortable on stage, and his flat delivery and wooden style of speaking is practically a trademark. Romney's people have to be terrified that Romney will end up being the 'straight man' to Obama's set up comedy routine.
 
2012-09-27 01:11:43 PM

I_C_Weener: I love quoting those lines though. I re-watched it recently. That is really a bad movie.


It's certainly no "Solarbabies."
 
2012-09-27 01:15:47 PM

Weaver95: Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: Romney has to be under incredible levels of pressure. moreso than at any other time in his life. the sad thing is, even if a miracle occurs and Romney hits the ball outta the park at the first debate....he still only breaks even. he doesn't gain anything.

*sigh*

that said, given Romney's past history of flubs, gaffes and flat out lies (not to mention his anger management issues and generally deadpan delivery) I'd have to say the odds are against Romney doing well in a debate against Obama.

I was watching a documentary on Hunter Thompson recently and his coverage of the '72 election. He spread a false rumor about a Democratic candidate being hooked on some drug or other, all while the candidate he supported was actually using stimulants to get through the campaign. So we know, historically, that candidates will use coffee, alcohol, nicotine, and other drugs to last during such a grueling, stressful and demanding period of time. Romney uses none of these The human body does have limits. He is reaching those limits, I suspect.

oh I don't think Romney actually follows all the petty details of his chosen religion. i'm sure he's gulping coffee by the gallons while off camera. In fact, I wouldn't blame him if he was on some form of mood stabilizer or anti-depressant. He's under enormous pressure and he HAS to get it right during the debates. sure, no matter what happens both sides will claim victory...but Obama is a damn good public speaker, with a relaxed style and projects an 'at ease' attitude during his time on stage. Romney has *always* come across as uncomfortable on stage, and his flat delivery and wooden style of speaking is practically a trademark. Romney's people have to be terrified that Romney will end up being the 'straight man' to Obama's set up comedy routine.


Nixon JFK.

Got it.

We'll see. I want to believe.
 
2012-09-27 01:16:02 PM
It should be interesting at least...
 
2012-09-27 01:20:17 PM

hubiestubert: It should be interesting at least...


I think at least some of us will be tuning in to see if Romney finally cracks under the pressure while on live TV....
 
2012-09-27 01:21:26 PM
And this sort of sh*t also worries me.

The media is going to hype a Romney come back. For their profit.
 
2012-09-27 01:25:09 PM

Nadie_AZ: And this sort of sh*t also worries me.

The media is going to hype a Romney come back. For their profit.


I have no doubt that is the direction Fox News will take, as will Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. that said...the big news agencies don't control the message as much as they used to in the past. people can - and will - make their own call on Romney's performance, and will no doubt blog about it endlessly.
 
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