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(MassLive)   Applicant to police department scores well on civil service exam but poorly in "not a murderer" competition   (masslive.com) divider line 30
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2012-09-27 10:48:48 AM
In light of the high standards to which police officers are appropriately held

Uh-huh
 
2012-09-27 10:53:43 AM
Did anyone else read the headline in Jeremy Clarkson's voice?
 
2012-09-27 11:07:36 AM
This really iffy grounds to not continue with the hiring process. He was arrested but not charged due to a lack of evidence. I don't disagree with keeping the bad seeds out if they have a hint of impropriety, but I don't know how they can legally justify keeping him out since he was not charged with a crime.
 
2012-09-27 11:32:18 AM

slayer199: I don't disagree with keeping the bad seeds out if they have a hint of impropriety, but I don't know how they can legally justify keeping him out since he was not charged with a crime.


Associating with known felons is reason enough on its own.
 
2012-09-27 12:35:38 PM

2xhelix: Associating with known felons is reason enough on its own.


I don't disagree. Nor do I disagree that the guy should not be eligible. Just saying that on a legal basis, being arrested and not tried seems pretty flimsy.
 
2012-09-27 02:42:51 PM
Lt. Harry Kastrinakis, the director of the department's police academy, stated, "We don't have discriminatory hiring policies. We simply arrest anyone applying to be a police officer if they're not white, drop the charges and let them go, then refuse to hire them because they've been arrested before. But that refusal is applied in a non-discriminatory manner."
 
2012-09-27 02:44:45 PM

King Something: Did anyone else read the headline in Jeremy Clarkson's voice?


Did now... damn you.
 
2012-09-27 02:45:22 PM

Theaetetus: Lt. Harry Kastrinakis, the director of the department's police academy, stated, "We don't have discriminatory hiring policies. We simply arrest anyone applying to be a police officer if they're not white, drop the charges and let them go, then refuse to hire them because they've been arrested before. But that refusal is applied in a non-discriminatory manner."


My head just exploded.
 
2012-09-27 02:45:48 PM

Theaetetus: Lt. Harry Kastrinakis, the director of the department's police academy, stated, "We don't have discriminatory hiring policies. We simply arrest anyone applying to be a police officer if they're not white, drop the charges and let them go, then refuse to hire them because they've been arrested before. But that refusal is applied in a non-discriminatory manner."


Wow, missed that in my first reading... thanks for highlighting.

Clearly a case of non-discriminatory practices. Nothing to see here people.
 
2012-09-27 02:50:05 PM

SmellsLikePoo: Theaetetus: Lt. Harry Kastrinakis, the director of the department's police academy, stated, "We don't have discriminatory hiring policies. We simply arrest anyone applying to be a police officer if they're not white, drop the charges and let them go, then refuse to hire them because they've been arrested before. But that refusal is applied in a non-discriminatory manner."

Wow, missed that in my first reading... thanks for highlighting.

Clearly a case of non-discriminatory practices. Nothing to see here people.


You missed it because it's not there. I understand there's a lot of cop hate, but why make shiat up out of whole cloth?
 
2012-09-27 02:50:48 PM

Theaetetus: Lt. Harry Kastrinakis, the director of the department's police academy, stated, "We don't have discriminatory hiring policies. We simply arrest anyone applying to be a police officer if they're not white, drop the charges and let them go, then refuse to hire them because they've been arrested before. But that refusal is applied in a non-discriminatory manner."


And to be extra sure, they arrest them three years before they take the civil service exam or actually apply for the job, just in case.
 
2012-09-27 02:52:18 PM
He sounds like cop material. Hire him!
 
2012-09-27 02:58:33 PM
Forget about the badge! When do we get the freakin' guns?!

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2012-09-27 02:59:03 PM

blatz514: He sounds like cop material. Hire him!


Actually, enlist him instead:

When Pete was only in the seventh grade, he stabbed a cop.
He's real R.A. material and he was glad to swap
His switchblade and his old zip gun
For a bayonet and a new M-1.
It makes a fella proud to be a soldier!
 
2012-09-27 03:03:20 PM
Simply being arrested is not a sign of guilt. It just means some guy with a grade six education and delusions of godhood thought you might have done it, or needed to get his jollies from roughing you up and pushing you around.

Iironically, if he had joined the force and then committed a murder, it would not be a barrier to his continued employment.
 
2012-09-27 03:07:44 PM
Can you imagine the interview?

- have you ever committed a felony?
- uhh..when you say felony...
- it's ok son, we're just asking if you ever killed anyone or robbed a bank? Hehe
- uhh...you mean like both?


/of course dnrta
//this is fark
///slash my heart swear to die
 
2012-09-27 03:08:48 PM

slayer199: This really iffy grounds to not continue with the hiring process. He was arrested but not charged due to a lack of evidence. I don't disagree with keeping the bad seeds out if they have a hint of impropriety, but I don't know how they can legally justify keeping him out since he was not charged with a crime.


Would he be able to pass certification (which should be a separate procedure) in MA? I know in Georgia, a felony arrest can result in disqualification even if the charges were dropped. Especially if the charges involve assault.
 
2012-09-27 03:08:59 PM
What's sad is that this had to go to a lawsuit in the first place.

There is a reason cops have become so violent, out of control and hostile (more than they used to be, I mean). It's because of lowered hiring standards across the board. Sure, THIS guy was eventually turned down because he had a murder arrest--after being allowed to challenge it as discriminatory. But what about all the guys now in departments across the nation who had arrests of a more minor nature (battery, assault, petty theft) who made the first challenge of discrimination and were allowed on in? Probably most of them are just decent guys who made a mistake; but a lot aren't, and the overall effect is a corrosion of the expectation that a police officer is first and foremost not a crook.

Relaxing the standards of anything in the name of fairness may allow some individuals a "level playing field" but it erodes the standards across the board. There is an unintended consequence of altering standards for some, and that is that it alters the standards for EVERYONE. This particular case came out of actions in the 1990's, arguing that requiring cops to have clean backgrounds unfairly excluded young men of color, who were more likely to have juvenile records. This is true--but the unintended consequence has been to allow anyone with a juvenile record to apply. Many of these individuals have reformed. Many have personally reformed but still not shaken off the gang or neighborhood ties that got them in trouble in the first place. Many have not resolved the family or substance abuse issues that caused their arrests. But because of "fairness" that can't be considered. There is no consideration for what the arrest was for, or the surrounding circumstances.

Now that a person with multiple misdemeanor arrests can be a cop, can we be surprised that cops are brutal and hyperreactive? If a person who had substance abuse issues as a juvenile can be a cop, can we be surprised when cops wind up being addicts or drunks? If a juvenile weapons arrest is not a big enough deal to keep a man out of the academy, is it so shocking later when he treats suspects like his own personal shooting range?

And conversely, if being excluded from the job because of a prior murder charge is discriminatory, doesn't that mean that ANY reason for not hiring someone is discriminatory? Maybe we should just let anyone be a cop; but then we can't be upset when a violent person continues his violent ways.
 
2012-09-27 03:10:43 PM
The homicide investigation, "the negative feedback from veteran Springfield police officers," and other issues combine to raise questions "about whether Mr. Feliciano should be issued a badge, a gun and, above all, the responsibility that comes with them."

It looks like the hit really just lead them to other people familiar with Mr. Feliciano who recommended against him becoming a cop. I think that's fair. They found references beyond what he supplied and they weren't positive.
 
2012-09-27 03:11:48 PM
Since I too have never been tried and/or convicted of murder then I too must not be qualified for their police force either.
 
2012-09-27 03:12:25 PM

Gyrfalcon: Now that a person with multiple misdemeanor arrests can be a cop, can we be surprised that cops are brutal and hyperreactive? If a person who had substance abuse issues as a juvenile can be a cop, can we be surprised when cops wind up being addicts or drunks? If a juvenile weapons arrest is not a big enough deal to keep a man out of the academy, is it so shocking later when he treats suspects like his own personal shooting range?

And conversely, if being excluded from the job because of a prior murder charge is discriminatory, doesn't that mean that ANY reason for not hiring someone is discriminatory? Maybe we should just let anyone be a cop; but then we can't be upset when a violent person continues his violent ways.


Agreed. I mean, any arrest signifies a major issue - otherwise, they wouldn't have been arrested, now would they? Clearly, we cannot let these arrested people interact with civilized society. I mean, they're brutal, hyperreactive, drunks, etc., as shown by being arrested. Why do we even let them walk the streets in the first place? Arrest should be immediately followed with either permanent incarceration or execution, so that we can feel safe.
 
2012-09-27 03:15:59 PM
seen whistling and looking the other way.....
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2012-09-27 03:23:10 PM
Another Government Employee

For civilians in Massachusetts gun licenses are issued or not in the discretion of the chief of police of the town of residence. However, police can carry on duty without a license. You can't get rid of a bad cop by revoking his gun license. You have to fire him, which is nearly impossible. I think it was Worcester where the chief tried license revocation to get rid of a bad cop and the courts put him back on the street. (If not Worcester, Springfield.)
 
2012-09-27 03:39:38 PM
These felons always did good...
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2012-09-27 03:42:29 PM
That's too bad, too. I hear that's an important test.
 
2012-09-27 03:51:44 PM

Gyrfalcon: SmellsLikePoo: Theaetetus: Lt. Harry Kastrinakis, the director of the department's police academy, stated, "We don't have discriminatory hiring policies. We simply arrest anyone applying to be a police officer if they're not white, drop the charges and let them go, then refuse to hire them because they've been arrested before. But that refusal is applied in a non-discriminatory manner."

Wow, missed that in my first reading... thanks for highlighting.

Clearly a case of non-discriminatory practices. Nothing to see here people.

You missed it because it's not there. I understand there's a lot of cop hate, but why make shiat up out of whole cloth?


media.giantbomb.com
 
2012-09-27 04:40:44 PM
C'mon the police don't want competent competition. I've got guys here stealing lobsters from restaurants, gasoline from town pumps and bumping uglies with hookers in ambulances.
This guy would really bring the stone to the hole in this respect.
Most of the cops are old white fat and not in the mood to reach for new goals.
 
2012-09-27 05:18:18 PM
I don't understand the outrage.

It usually isn't a good idea to hire somebody who has developed a bunch of bad habits at school/previous job/wherever. You will just end up spending a lot of time and money to break them of it before you can even begin to teach them how to follow the department's guidelines on the proper way to commit murder.

This guy broke rule #1, which says don't commit murder before you have your badge. It is disrespectful to the brotherhood when you don't share the fun.
 
2012-09-27 05:41:55 PM
The guy sounds overqualified to be a cop.
 
2012-09-27 06:12:12 PM
So simply being arrested for something is enough to mark you for life? I don't see how this could be abused at all.
 
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