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(Last Angry Fan)   Seven years after getting beaned in the head in his one and only MLB at bat, Adam Greenberg getting a second chance courtesy the Miami Marlins, providing Ozzie Guillen doesn't pinch hit for him   (lastangryfan.com) divider line 48
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2012-09-27 12:37:26 PM  
Bridgeport Bluefish represent!!
 
2012-09-27 12:38:42 PM  
I don't see what he's biatching about. His on-base percentage is 100%.
 
2012-09-27 12:40:09 PM  
Sorry, but I am unmoved. Plenty of guys have heart-wrentching stories about what kept them from the bigs. I don't see that this kid is that different. Plus, he's already had a plate appearance in the major leagues.
 
2012-09-27 12:40:46 PM  
Someday people

1. Will understand the distinction between "at bat" and "plate appearance"
&
2. Stop using "at bat" to mean "plate appearance"

But it's not today.
 
2012-09-27 12:42:22 PM  
I personally like that the same story was greenlit two Sports links apart in TF, with the second one posting to the main page before the first, which already had a half-dozen comments.

Replacement mods in action?
 
2012-09-27 12:44:14 PM  

DeWayne Mann: But it's not today.


Gonna be a fun day for you. I'm actually surprised that they didn't greenlight the super-trolley headline about how Moneyball was dead in Oakland because the A's have struck out more than any other team in MLB history. I assume they want you not to have an aneurysm.
 
2012-09-27 12:48:27 PM  

IAmRight: I assume they want you not to have an aneurysm.


Awwww, that's kind of them.
 
2012-09-27 12:52:22 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Someday people

1. Will understand the distinction between "at bat" and "plate appearance"
&
2. Stop using "at bat" to mean "plate appearance"

But it's not today.


cf.badassdigest.com

Old problem. 

not holding my breath for a remedy anytime soon
 
2012-09-27 01:45:45 PM  
this guy is gonna flinch at slider down and away.
 
2012-09-27 01:51:36 PM  
Under the circumstances, would an intentional walk be bad or good?
 
2012-09-27 01:52:06 PM  
For starters I think it is great that someone is giving this guy another Plate Appearance. Although, I think it would have been a better gesture had it been done by the Cubs. At least if he gets plunked again on 1 pitch it will probably be a knuckler.

Some things you may not know about me.....

I am a stats geek.
I am exceptional at statistics, math and logic
I have taken 10 University level courses focused on Statistics, Finance, Calculous, Programming and Accounting.
I have never scored lower than 90% in any of those courses.
I have to be at the statistics symposium in 26 minutes

\I loved Moneyball and think the additional stats offered by Sabermetrics is the best thing to happen to baseball in a long time.
\\However, if you think that those numbers can tell you everything you need to know about baseball and baseball players you're mistaken
\\\I guarantee that 99% of MLB players would agree with me
\\\\If you're being an ass to people and I am bored I will probably end up ruining your day for my own selfish fun
 
2012-09-27 01:54:36 PM  
Is Cole Hamels pitching?

Don Drysdale once hit Henry Aaron twice in a row. When asked why, he said "I wanted him to know I meant it the first time."
 
2012-09-27 01:55:45 PM  

ZMugg: Under the circumstances, would an intentional walk be bad or good?


It would be reasonable grounds to charge the mound.

Bat in hand, too, since that way he might actually get a chance to swing at something.
 
2012-09-27 01:59:07 PM  

RminusQ: ZMugg: Under the circumstances, would an intentional walk be bad or good?

It would be reasonable grounds to charge the mound.

Bat in hand, too, since that way he might actually get a chance to swing at something.


Agreed. So 3 or fewer fastballs down the middle, then?
 
2012-09-27 02:01:45 PM  

ZMugg: RminusQ: ZMugg: Under the circumstances, would an intentional walk be bad or good?

It would be reasonable grounds to charge the mound.

Bat in hand, too, since that way he might actually get a chance to swing at something.

Agreed. So 3 or fewer fastballs down the middle, then?


TFA said he would face Dickey and the Mets. He probably won't see any fastballs. But who knows...Maybe Dickey will feel for him having gone through some personal troubles hiimself. Maybe he tosses him a meatball.
 
2012-09-27 02:09:05 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: ZMugg: RminusQ: ZMugg: Under the circumstances, would an intentional walk be bad or good?

It would be reasonable grounds to charge the mound.

Bat in hand, too, since that way he might actually get a chance to swing at something.

Agreed. So 3 or fewer fastballs down the middle, then?

TFA said he would face Dickey and the Mets. He probably won't see any fastballs. But who knows...Maybe Dickey will feel for him having gone through some personal troubles himself. Maybe he tosses him a meatball.


True, Dickey =|= fastballs. Still, the risk of a 'meatball' is ever present with the knuckler (even in a good outing), so if Greenberg is alert, he could lay into one.

Likes underdogs.
 
2012-09-27 02:12:49 PM  

ZMugg: JohnnyCanuck: ZMugg: RminusQ: ZMugg: Under the circumstances, would an intentional walk be bad or good?

It would be reasonable grounds to charge the mound.

Bat in hand, too, since that way he might actually get a chance to swing at something.

Agreed. So 3 or fewer fastballs down the middle, then?

TFA said he would face Dickey and the Mets. He probably won't see any fastballs. But who knows...Maybe Dickey will feel for him having gone through some personal troubles himself. Maybe he tosses him a meatball.

True, Dickey =|= fastballs. Still, the risk of a 'meatball' is ever present with the knuckler (even in a good outing), so if Greenberg is alert, he could lay into one.

Likes underdogs.


Addendum: Wouldn't serving a 'meatball' be as insulting as a BOB?

is this where we started?
 
2012-09-27 02:14:28 PM  

Milk D: this guy is gonna flinch at slider down and away.


that's why i would throw at his head.

/what's the worst that could happen?
 
2012-09-27 02:19:20 PM  

ZMugg: JohnnyCanuck: ZMugg: RminusQ: ZMugg: Under the circumstances, would an intentional walk be bad or good?

It would be reasonable grounds to charge the mound.

Bat in hand, too, since that way he might actually get a chance to swing at something.

Agreed. So 3 or fewer fastballs down the middle, then?

TFA said he would face Dickey and the Mets. He probably won't see any fastballs. But who knows...Maybe Dickey will feel for him having gone through some personal troubles himself. Maybe he tosses him a meatball.

True, Dickey =|= fastballs. Still, the risk of a 'meatball' is ever present with the knuckler (even in a good outing), so if Greenberg is alert, he could lay into one.

Likes underdogs.


Agreed. I hope he mashes one. If so I bet Dickey tips the hat. He seems like a good guy too.
I'm actually going to try and watch this game...well..the plate appearance anyway. I don't think I could make it through an entire Mets - Marlins game.
 
2012-09-27 02:30:27 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: ZMugg: JohnnyCanuck: ZMugg: RminusQ: ZMugg: Under the circumstances, would an intentional walk be bad or good?

It would be reasonable grounds to charge the mound.

Bat in hand, too, since that way he might actually get a chance to swing at something.

Agreed. So 3 or fewer fastballs down the middle, then?

TFA said he would face Dickey and the Mets. He probably won't see any fastballs. But who knows...Maybe Dickey will feel for him having gone through some personal troubles himself. Maybe he tosses him a meatball.

True, Dickey =|= fastballs. Still, the risk of a 'meatball' is ever present with the knuckler (even in a good outing), so if Greenberg is alert, he could lay into one.

Likes underdogs.

Agreed. I hope he mashes one. If so I bet Dickey tips the hat. He seems like a good guy too.
I'm actually going to try and watch this game...well..the plate appearance anyway. I don't think I could make it through an entire Mets - Marlins game.


I think I know what you mean.

Red Sox fan.

All time favorite is Carl Yastrzemski.
 
2012-09-27 03:06:15 PM  
Appologies for going off topic.

I hope Greenberg becomes a star.
 
2012-09-27 03:10:12 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: I hope Greenberg becomes a star.


I hope Greenberg gets beaned again. The baseball gods frown on publicity stunts.
 
2012-09-27 03:18:20 PM  

ZMugg: Red Sox fan.

All time favorite is Carl Yastrzemski.



I have a friend who is a Yankee fan. He told me (dunno if it's true) a story about going to Fenway on Carl Yastrzemski Day. Being a typical Yankee fan, he was razzing all the Red Sox fans about Carl and how conceited he was and how he was a jerk who hated the fans. Carl comes up in the first inning, walks, asks to be taken out for a pinch runner, and is never seen for the rest of Carl Yastrzemski Day. My friend said that kids were crying and he just laughed and laughed.
 
2012-09-27 03:18:54 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: JohnnyCanuck: I hope Greenberg becomes a star.

I hope Greenberg gets beaned again. The baseball gods frown on publicity stunts.


I believe the Gods sometimes subscribe to karma. We'll see if he deserves this 2nd chance soon enough.
 
2012-09-27 03:37:06 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: ZMugg: Red Sox fan.

All time favorite is Carl Yastrzemski.


I have a friend who is a Yankee fan. He told me (dunno if it's true) a story about going to Fenway on Carl Yastrzemski Day. Being a typical Yankee fan, he was razzing all the Red Sox fans about Carl and how conceited he was and how he was a jerk who hated the fans. Carl comes up in the first inning, walks, asks to be taken out for a pinch runner, and is never seen for the rest of Carl Yastrzemski Day. My friend said that kids were crying and he just laughed and laughed.


After further googling, I retract my anecdote. Apologies to you and Yaz.
 
2012-09-27 03:39:39 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: ZMugg: Red Sox fan.

All time favorite is Carl Yastrzemski.


I have a friend who is a Yankee fan. He told me (dunno if it's true) a story about going to Fenway on Carl Yastrzemski Day. Being a typical Yankee fan, he was razzing all the Red Sox fans about Carl and how conceited he was and how he was a jerk who hated the fans. Carl comes up in the first inning, walks, asks to be taken out for a pinch runner, and is never seen for the rest of Carl Yastrzemski Day. My friend said that kids were crying and he just laughed and laughed.


Probably true, however being the last Triple Crown winner is a testament to skill, will, and hard work, IMHO.

Also, luck factors into it.

a little
 
2012-09-27 03:45:23 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: ZMugg: Red Sox fan.

All time favorite is Carl Yastrzemski.


I have a friend who is a Yankee fan. He told me (dunno if it's true) a story about going to Fenway on Carl Yastrzemski Day. Being a typical Yankee fan, he was razzing all the Red Sox fans about Carl and how conceited he was and how he was a jerk who hated the fans. Carl comes up in the first inning, walks, asks to be taken out for a pinch runner, and is never seen for the rest of Carl Yastrzemski Day. My friend said that kids were crying and he just laughed and laughed.

After further googling, I retract my anecdote. Apologies to you and Yaz.


Open my mouth, insert foot, chew vigorously.

Had not heard that rumor. Don't know why I assumed the worst. In these days of childhood heroes being tarnished posthumously , my cynical side kicked in.

Embarrassed.
 
2012-09-27 03:53:25 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: ZMugg: Red Sox fan.

All time favorite is Carl Yastrzemski.


I have a friend who is a Yankee fan. He told me (dunno if it's true) a story about going to Fenway on Carl Yastrzemski Day. Being a typical Yankee fan, he was razzing all the Red Sox fans about Carl and how conceited he was and how he was a jerk who hated the fans. Carl comes up in the first inning, walks, asks to be taken out for a pinch runner, and is never seen for the rest of Carl Yastrzemski Day. My friend said that kids were crying and he just laughed and laughed.

After further googling, I retract my anecdote. Apologies to you and Yaz.


Well, there was this game in 1983. It was Yaz's last season. He picked up an RBI single in the bottom of the first and was lifted for a pinch runner (Dwight Evens, actually). That was Yaz's last year with the Sox, it was at Fenway, and it was the third to last game of the year. I don't know the full story of what happened there, and maybe he didn't ASK to be lifted, but, well, it happened. It could be the game your friend was talking about.
 
2012-09-27 04:03:45 PM  
There's something about this that just doesn't sit right with me. I guess the guy is fine with being a marketing ploy at this point, since he'll probably get a book deal or movie deal out of it. But he's gone from legit baseball story to sideshow.

If I'm Ozzie, I'd start him and move him around to play all 9 positions throughout the game. Might as well make a true stunt out of it since it's clear the organization is more interested in PR than winning games.
 
2012-09-27 04:10:48 PM  

Rex_Banner: Well, there was this game in 1983. It was Yaz's last season. He picked up an RBI single in the bottom of the first and was lifted for a pinch runner (Dwight Evens, actually). That was Yaz's last year with the Sox, it was at Fenway, and it was the third to last game of the year. I don't know the full story of what happened there, and maybe he didn't ASK to be lifted, but, well, it happened. It could be the game your friend was talking about.


I think you are right. That fits pretty darned closely. Thanks! I'd hate to think that as good a story as that was a lie. I'll be sure to tell it in the future with those caveats.
 
2012-09-27 04:11:56 PM  
So, let's sum this up...either R.A. Dickey A) Strikes him out on one of his brutal knucklers or B) Gives him a pity meatball and everyone cheers for him like the kid with Down Syndrome receiving his participation medal. Also, he's playing for the Marlins. Hasn't he been through enough?
 
2012-09-27 04:14:15 PM  

ZMugg: Embarrassed.


Don't be. Boston fans and media are notoriously hard on their heroes. Even if it's true, Carl may have been justified. And I'd have loved to have had him on my team.
 
2012-09-27 04:25:19 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: ZMugg: Embarrassed.

Don't be. Boston fans and media are notoriously hard on their heroes. Even if it's true, Carl may have been justified. And I'd have loved to have had him on my team.


Thank you for those kind words. Still, I should have known better.
 
2012-09-27 04:39:44 PM  

ZMugg: Still, I should have known better.


As should I.
 
2012-09-27 04:50:23 PM  
HAHA at the Cubs fan at 3:13 in the video with his hat tilted sideways. Go back to Winnetka, "G".
 
2012-09-27 04:58:44 PM  

coolio mack: I guess the guy is fine with being a marketing ploy at this point, since he'll probably get a book deal or movie deal out of it. But he's gone from legit baseball story to sideshow.


Matthew McCona-I-can't-spell-this-name-y can play "filmmaker and baseball enthusiast Matt Liston", because that's who I thought it was at first.
 
2012-09-27 05:35:04 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Someday people

1. Will understand the distinction between "at bat" and "plate appearance"
&
2. Stop using "at bat" to mean "plate appearance"

But it's not today.


I'm not a big baseball fan, and as a foreigner don't fully understand all the nuances, so can someone enlighten me as to what the difference between an at bat and a plate appearance actually IS? Because I thought players were only at the plate to bat.
 
2012-09-27 05:41:39 PM  

LucklessWonder: I'm not a big baseball fan, and as a foreigner don't fully understand all the nuances, so can someone enlighten me as to what the difference between an at bat and a plate appearance actually IS? Because I thought players were only at the plate to bat.


The really short answer: all at-bats are plate appearances; not all plate appearances are at-bats

The mostly short answer: Anytime you walk to the plate and SOMETHING happens, that's a plate appearance. If SOMETHING is a hit, an error or an out (but not a sacrifice), it's also an at bat.

The lengthy rulebook answer: A plate appearance is anytime a player completes his turn at the plate. A plate appearance is considered an at-bat unless the player "(i) hits a sacrifice bunt or sacrifice fly; (ii) is awarded first base on four called balls; (iii) is hit by a pitched ball; or (iv) is awarded first base because of interference or obstruction;"
 
2012-09-27 06:21:21 PM  
Thanks DeWayne. I'm now slightly smarter than yesterday. Still think sacrifices should count as at bats, but that's probably dumb.
 
2012-09-27 06:22:11 PM  

DeWayne Mann: LucklessWonder: I'm not a big baseball fan, and as a foreigner don't fully understand all the nuances, so can someone enlighten me as to what the difference between an at bat and a plate appearance actually IS? Because I thought players were only at the plate to bat.

The really short answer: all at-bats are plate appearances; not all plate appearances are at-bats

The mostly short answer: Anytime you walk to the plate and SOMETHING happens, that's a plate appearance. If SOMETHING is a hit, an error or an out (but not a sacrifice), it's also an at bat.

The lengthy rulebook answer: A plate appearance is anytime a player completes his turn at the plate. A plate appearance is considered an at-bat unless the player "(i) hits a sacrifice bunt or sacrifice fly; (ii) is awarded first base on four called balls; (iii) is hit by a pitched ball; or (iv) is awarded first base because of interference or obstruction;"


Our drunk little league coach said it best, "Plate appearances are for pussies, swing the bat Nancy boys!"
 
2012-09-27 06:34:16 PM  

LucklessWonder: Thanks DeWayne. I'm now slightly smarter than yesterday. Still think sacrifices should count as at bats, but that's probably dumb.


I agree, actually. That was implemented so that players could sacrifice without hurting their batting average. Which is kind of silly.

steamingpile: Our drunk little league coach said it best, "Plate appearances are for pussies, swing the bat Nancy boys!"


Well he sounds like a winner.
 
2012-09-27 07:27:06 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Well he sounds like a winner.


No, he was a mean drunk and he ended up not showing up mid way through the season. He was funny but a horrible coach, at the time I hated him, looking back on it I can laugh at him but it also taught me how to not yell at kids because they cant hit a ball yet.
 
2012-09-27 07:33:00 PM  

steamingpile: DeWayne Mann: Well he sounds like a winner.

No, he was a mean drunk and he ended up not showing up mid way through the season. He was funny but a horrible coach, at the time I hated him, looking back on it I can laugh at him but it also taught me how to not yell at kids because they cant hit a ball yet.


I meant that literally. I assume you guys went undefeated.
 
2012-09-27 07:52:56 PM  
I was watching the game when he got hit. I hope he gets a stand up triple.
 
2012-09-27 08:38:34 PM  

steamingpile: DeWayne Mann: Well he sounds like a winner.

No, he was a mean drunk and he ended up not showing up mid way through the season. He was funny but a horrible coach, at the time I hated him, looking back on it I can laugh at him but it also taught me how to not yell at kids because they cant hit a ball yet.


www.deliberationroom.com
 
2012-09-28 11:35:59 AM  

DeWayne Mann: steamingpile: DeWayne Mann: Well he sounds like a winner.

No, he was a mean drunk and he ended up not showing up mid way through the season. He was funny but a horrible coach, at the time I hated him, looking back on it I can laugh at him but it also taught me how to not yell at kids because they cant hit a ball yet.

I meant that literally. I assume you guys went undefeated.


In fairness, if I had to watch a kids' baseball game...no one came to watch you take pitches or develop your batting eye. Take some hacks and let's GTFO.

/far worse than that are people who take pitches in slow-pitch softball. You should be able to draw a walk, but immediately upon drawing the walk, you should be beaten to death by people willing to actually swing bats.
 
2012-09-28 03:33:14 PM  
Saw him interviewed on MLB last night. Really impressive kid with a great attitude. For a Tar Heel.
 
2012-09-28 05:12:17 PM  

IAmRight: no one came to watch you take pitches or develop your batting eye.


Well, if they ever finish building this stupid softball complex across the street from my house, that might just change. Especially if I can see the game from my front porch.
 
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