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2012-09-27 08:33:38 AM
I wouldn't have it any other way: "Walmart: where the quick and the dead come to shop."
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-27 09:48:00 AM
It's in the second amendment, just ask any gun nut.
 
2012-09-27 09:59:53 AM
laid his keys down in the Brainerd Walmart

There's a few people in Brainerd who aren't so okay, I'll tell you that.
 
2012-09-27 10:05:36 AM
I carry a gun, but I consider myself no gun nut. In the unlikely event of a situation in which I'd be forced to draw the gun I would, but for someone stealing a vehicle? Really? Just let it go. Hopefully you have theft coverage. Call the cops and call your insurance company, but opening fire on a moving vehicle in a parking lot? That doesn't seem like a good idea.

Also, you're shooting YOUR OWN TRUCK, goofus.
 
2012-09-27 10:07:16 AM

TwistedIvory: I carry a gun, but I consider myself no gun nut. In the unlikely event of a situation in which I'd be forced to draw the gun I would, but for someone stealing a vehicle? Really? Just let it go. Hopefully you have theft coverage. Call the cops and call your insurance company, but opening fire on a moving vehicle in a parking lot? That doesn't seem like a good idea.

Also, you're shooting YOUR OWN TRUCK, goofus.


no don't you understand, a thing is totally worth killing over
 
2012-09-27 10:11:57 AM
Desi Arnez Lawrence

HEHEHE
 
2012-09-27 10:24:19 AM
If that had happened here in Texas, there would have been helpers joining in the shooting. It would have been like that scene in Idiocracy where the cops destroyed Frito's car.
 
2012-09-27 10:25:51 AM
Impossible.

I was told that someone who pulls their gun in a situation like this would never, ever miss their target because they're all expert marksmen.
 
2012-09-27 10:31:10 AM
There's a lot missing from that headline.
 
2012-09-27 01:18:38 PM
This guy?

www.nndb.com
 
2012-09-27 01:19:05 PM
FTA: Desi Arnez Lawrence, 55, apparently laid his keys down in the Brainerd Walmart September 11. Police say that Christopher Goins picked up those keys and headed outside.

Sounds like it was a devious ploy for the truck owner to go pew pew pew.

cache.ohinternet.com
 
2012-09-27 01:20:20 PM
craziness. last night I had a dream this couple (ignorant, i may add) did something in the parking lot, then both approached my vehicle in a hostile manner...after asking the gentleman to not open the door to my vehicle, he did, which resulted in his lead lunch.

maybe it was my sinus medicine talking, who knows?
 
2012-09-27 01:21:18 PM
Where exactly will the Walmart be parking, and can I fire my gun at somebody if the Walmart has already parked?
 
2012-09-27 01:21:42 PM
Lookit all these lib'ral wussies gettin' all butt-hurt over some shootin'
Dayum shame. In my day ya could shoot a fella for takin' your bicycle and people'd say "criminal got what was comin' to him"
 
2012-09-27 01:22:33 PM
Do they sell bullet proof vests in WalMart? I mean, just in case someone wants to exercise their rights to shoot at moving things.
 
2012-09-27 01:24:03 PM
Yeah, no splainin' just an arrest, questioning and a jury trail. But no splainin!
 
2012-09-27 01:24:15 PM

vpb: It's in the second amendment, just ask any gun nut.


No it would be the 5th amendment in this case. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury"

The grand jury returned a no bill on this so that is it more or less. The standard for a grand jury is much lower than a trial jury. For any felony charge, an indictment form a grand jury is mandatory so not having that is it. Even were they going for a misdemeanor charge, if you get a no bill from the grand jury you are done, no way you'd get a conviction in court.
 
2012-09-27 01:24:40 PM
I notice they say he shot at the perp, not shot the perp.

That's kinda the point I'd like to highlight here. It's not that I have any particular problem with somebody shooting a perp in a parking lot, even if it's just a property matter, it's the part about them missing that makes me think maybe this idiot should see some prison time.

/ polite society, everybody armed, etc. etc.
 
2012-09-27 01:25:42 PM
www.geeksofdoom.com

Read the headline in his voice
 
2012-09-27 01:29:10 PM
Impossible.

I was told that someone who pulls their gun in a situation like this would never, ever miss their target because they're all expert marksmen.


Generally the "Gun Nuts" are better shots than the police. Practice more.

Pity he didn't kill the thief. Better luck next time....
 
2012-09-27 01:29:16 PM

Bruxellensis: [www.geeksofdoom.com image 200x181]

Read the headline in his voice


Same here, can't believe it took to the 19th post to get his picture up.
 
2012-09-27 01:29:22 PM
Try to steal my truck one more time, one more time. And it's TO THE MOON LUCY, to the moon!
 
2012-09-27 01:29:23 PM
At the Dollar Store, you could do it with wad cutters.
 
2012-09-27 01:29:27 PM
Lawrence, Lawrence of Arabia. He was an English Guy. He came to fight the Turkish.
 
2012-09-27 01:30:38 PM
More appropriate at Target.
 
2012-09-27 01:32:16 PM

Jackson Herring: TwistedIvory: I carry a gun, but I consider myself no gun nut. In the unlikely event of a situation in which I'd be forced to draw the gun I would, but for someone stealing a vehicle? Really? Just let it go. Hopefully you have theft coverage. Call the cops and call your insurance company, but opening fire on a moving vehicle in a parking lot? That doesn't seem like a good idea.

Also, you're shooting YOUR OWN TRUCK, goofus.

no don't you understand, a thing is totally worth killing over


A thing? No. An idea? Yes.

The idea is that you can live in a society secure in your person without having to worry about some lowlife farkwit turning it upsidedown because of their antisocial, anarchistic, sociopathic take on life. Putting a bullet in the head of every lowlife piece of shiat that decides to hold up a convenience store because they hold a complete lack of regard for anyone other than themselves is the best thing that could happen to us.
 
2012-09-27 01:32:32 PM
YES!
 
2012-09-27 01:35:57 PM
The guy firing at his own truck misses and someone else thinks they are being shot at draws their weapon out and shoots at the first guy, the 2nd guy misses the 1st guy and another guy thinks they are shooting at him.......
 
2012-09-27 01:36:43 PM

mark12A: Impossible.

I was told that someone who pulls their gun in a situation like this would never, ever miss their target because they're all expert marksmen.

Generally the "Gun Nuts" are better shots than the police. Practice more.

Pity he didn't kill the thief. Better luck next time....


Yeah, he shoulda shot the guy through the shoulder, so as not to kill, then jumped on the hood of the truck, forcing it into an oncoming tanker rig and leaping clear at the last moment while being silhouetted by an awesome explosion. The he should have said something like "better luck next time" even though the car thief is now righteously dead and stuff. Oh, and totally, f- the po-lice, right? They're all so fat and stupid. Nobody should count on them for anything! Haw Haw!

www.mlove.ru

/ITG for the win
 
2012-09-27 01:38:57 PM

Deep Contact: The guy firing at his own truck misses and someone else thinks they are being shot at draws their weapon out and shoots at the first guy, the 2nd guy misses the 1st guy and another guy thinks they are shooting at him.......


You know, people seem to like to make up these doomsday gun scenarios... but the fact that they are making them up rather than pointing to actual ones really seems to put a damper on the plausibility of them. See that may be what you think would happen but what actually happened was this guy shot at the thief, nobody got hurt, and nobody else shot at him. So sort of the opposite of what you posted.
 
2012-09-27 01:42:07 PM

sycraft: Deep Contact: The guy firing at his own truck misses and someone else thinks they are being shot at draws their weapon out and shoots at the first guy, the 2nd guy misses the 1st guy and another guy thinks they are shooting at him.......

You know, people seem to like to make up these doomsday gun scenarios... but the fact that they are making them up rather than pointing to actual ones really seems to put a damper on the plausibility of them. See that may be what you think would happen but what actually happened was this guy shot at the thief, nobody got hurt, and nobody else shot at him. So sort of the opposite of what you posted.


Whatever

You're right, though. We don't need to be making up hairbrained doomsday scenarios when idiots are handling guns every day all over the country as it is.
 
2012-09-27 01:42:43 PM
TwistedIvory: "opening fire on a moving vehicle in a parking lot? That doesn't seem like a good idea"

'bears repeating' and 'this' and whatnot.

This guy would have been lucky to not cause death or serious injury to a bystander even if he *hit* the thief.
 
2012-09-27 01:44:25 PM
Sounds like the proper response anytime you're in the Wal-Mart parking lot. I'd love to spray lead at the jackasses who leave their shopping carts in the middle of a parking spot instead of putting them in the cart return cages.
 
2012-09-27 01:45:26 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Whatever


That's not a doomsday scenario, that's comedy gold.
 
2012-09-27 01:49:02 PM
Sounds like a good commercial for Wal-Mart
 
2012-09-27 01:50:49 PM
StrangeQ: "Putting a bullet in the head of every lowlife piece of shiat that decides to hold up a convenience store because they hold a complete lack of regard for anyone other than themselves is the best thing that could happen to us."

Yeah, that's great and all, but we're over here in reality, where the big question is whether or not random citizens are actually capable of putting their bullets in the criminal more often than they create further victims. If guns were foolproof little buttons one could push that instantly euthanized only actual criminals, *of course* we'd be better off if everyone carried one. But they ain't.
 
2012-09-27 01:55:08 PM
I'm one of the most liberal gun control people I know, and I don't see how this was wrong, unless you go with the endangering others. Someone was stealing his property. He's within his right to defend it to the death. Isn't the rule that you can shoot someone who infiltrates your car or home? I'm being serious, correct me if I'm wrong. Unless shooting at the car posed a clear danger to others in the line of sight, seems ok to me.
 
2012-09-27 01:56:56 PM
Yeah, I'm ok with some guy endangering my life over a shiatty pickup truck. That's totally cool with me.
 
2012-09-27 02:08:08 PM

Deep Contact: The guy firing at his own truck misses and someone else thinks they are being shot at draws their weapon out and shoots at the first guy, the 2nd guy misses the 1st guy and another guy thinks they are shooting at him.......


STFU. That'll never happen since a civilian with a CCW will never miss when discharging his/her weapon at a target because they are all crack shots that have way more range time than police.

/ducks
 
2012-09-27 02:11:45 PM
So a guy lays down he's keys, perp grabs them and runs off to steal guy's truck.

Guy then unloads his gun ON HIS TRUCK that is being stolen

Guy is a terrible shot, and stupid.
 
2012-09-27 02:12:03 PM

justtray: I'm one of the most liberal gun control people I know, and I don't see how this was wrong, unless you go with the endangering others. Someone was stealing his property. He's within his right to defend it to the death. Isn't the rule that you can shoot someone who infiltrates your car or home? I'm being serious, correct me if I'm wrong. Unless shooting at the car posed a clear danger to others in the line of sight, seems ok to me.


Firing at an unarmed (as far as you know) thief who's fleeing the scene puts you on shaky legal ground in just about any state. Reckless endangerment was the correct charge, IMHO. But the fact that the grand jury declined to indict him is fine with me, too. Honestly, missing the perpetrator was probably the best thing that could have happened to the shooter, legally-speaking.
 
2012-09-27 02:12:55 PM

Mangoose: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Whatever

That's not a doomsday scenario, that's comedy gold.


Here's another for you...

Link (new window)
 
2012-09-27 02:14:46 PM

sycraft: vpb: It's in the second amendment, just ask any gun nut.

No it would be the 5th amendment in this case. "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury"

The grand jury returned a no bill on this so that is it more or less. The standard for a grand jury is much lower than a trial jury. For any felony charge, an indictment form a grand jury is mandatory so not having that is it. Even were they going for a misdemeanor charge, if you get a no bill from the grand jury you are done, no way you'd get a conviction in court.


So they can still file a excess noise civil citation?
 
2012-09-27 02:15:26 PM

mark12A: Impossible.

I was told that someone who pulls their gun in a situation like this would never, ever miss their target because they're all expert marksmen.

Generally the "Gun Nuts" are better shots than the police. Practice more.

Pity he didn't kill the thief. Better luck next time....


Yup. Now society can pay to have him in jail. Time to get a gun with a longer barrel...
 
2012-09-27 02:16:09 PM

mytdawg: Lawrence, Lawrence of Arabia. He was an English Guy. He came to fight the Turkish.


One of my favorite movies!

/ Officer Bimbo
 
2012-09-27 02:18:06 PM

justtray: I'm one of the most liberal gun control people I know, and I don't see how this was wrong, unless you go with the endangering others. Someone was stealing his property. He's within his right to defend it to the death. Isn't the rule that you can shoot someone who infiltrates your car or home? I'm being serious, correct me if I'm wrong. Unless shooting at the car posed a clear danger to others in the line of sight, seems ok to me.


I'm no lawyers, but society is governed by laws, which are nuanced, often arbitrary, and change from place to place and over time. So, to answer your question, there is no general "rule" that you can shoot anyone who "infiltrates" your property.

I have no sympathy to criminals who die in t he act, but I still think it's funny all the people who masturbate to images of them getting to shoot someone with their new guns. Odds are, you won't feel super awesome afterwards, and that the paperwork might make it not sound so awesome.
 
2012-09-27 02:18:10 PM

TwistedIvory: I carry a gun, but I consider myself no gun nut. In the unlikely event of a situation in which I'd be forced to draw the gun I would, but for someone stealing a vehicle? Really? Just let it go. Hopefully you have theft coverage. Call the cops and call your insurance company, but opening fire on a moving vehicle in a parking lot? That doesn't seem like a good idea.

Also, you're shooting YOUR OWN TRUCK, goofus.


Exactly. Yep, shooting an innocent bystander is totally justified. Your tiny bullets have a VERY good chance of stopping the truck as it drives away.

Dorks with guns are a problem, not necessarily guns themselves.
 
2012-09-27 02:19:22 PM

kkinnison: So a guy lays down he's keys, perp grabs them and runs off to steal guy's truck.


This got me to thinking, how did he know what truck to steal from just the keys?

Then the answer struck me. The same way the heroine in the movie Kill Bill knew which truck to take at the hospital.

www.bmfwallets.com
 
2012-09-27 02:20:26 PM

mark12A: Impossible.

I was told that someone who pulls their gun in a situation like this would never, ever miss their target because they're all expert marksmen.

Generally the "Gun Nuts" are better shots than the police. Practice more.

Pity he didn't kill the thief. Better luck next time....


Bullshiat, and where did those bullets go when they didn't hit the theif?

You are a dork with a gun, it would appear.
 
2012-09-27 02:20:42 PM

Mangoose: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Whatever

That's not a doomsday scenario, that's comedy gold.


Yeah, having idiots like that in the military is f*cking hilarious
 
2012-09-27 02:22:17 PM

camelias: mytdawg: Lawrence, Lawrence of Arabia. He was an English Guy. He came to fight the Turkish.

One of my favorite movies!

/ Officer Bimbo


Volare!...

I've had this taste in my mouth before.
 
2012-09-27 02:22:25 PM

kkinnison: So a guy lays down he's keys, perp grabs them and runs off to steal guy's truck.

Guy then unloads his gun ON HIS TRUCK that is being stolen

Guy is a terrible shot, and stupid.


^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-09-27 02:24:44 PM

ringersol: StrangeQ: "Putting a bullet in the head of every lowlife piece of shiat that decides to hold up a convenience store because they hold a complete lack of regard for anyone other than themselves is the best thing that could happen to us."

Yeah, that's great and all, but we're over here in reality, where the big question is whether or not random citizens are actually capable of putting their bullets in the criminal more often than they create further victims. If guns were foolproof little buttons one could push that instantly euthanized only actual criminals, *of course* we'd be better off if everyone carried one. But they ain't.


By random citizens you mean COPS right?
 
2012-09-27 02:33:53 PM

Deep Contact: The guy firing at his own truck misses and someone else thinks they are being shot at draws their weapon out and shoots at the first guy, the 2nd guy misses the 1st guy and another guy thinks they are shooting at him.......


Ah yes, the common super-duper perpetual murder machine. I hate it when that happens. My hometown was wiped out by one when vigilante justice started to spread like wildfire one day after an epic shootout over a parking space. I happened to be visiting relatives at the time, so I was the only survivor. What really grinds my gears is the refusal of the media to cover such stories. See for yourself and google it. You won't find a single source. THEY ARE COVERING UP GENOCIDE!!!
 
2012-09-27 02:34:15 PM

mark12A: Impossible.

I was told that someone who pulls their gun in a situation like this would never, ever miss their target because they're all expert marksmen.

Generally the "Gun Nuts" are better shots than the police. Practice more.

Pity he didn't kill the thief. Better luck next time....


What happens if you shoot and kill the thief and the newly-out-of-control vehicle runs over a kid? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you probably shouldn't kill someone operating heavy machinery unless there's an immediate risk to life because you run the risk of creating a greater danger.
 
2012-09-27 02:35:17 PM
TwistedIvory:

I carry a gun, but I consider myself no gun nut. In the unlikely event of a situation in which I'd be forced to draw the gun I would, but for someone stealing a vehicle? Really? Just let it go. Hopefully you have theft coverage. Call the cops and call your insurance company, but opening fire on a moving vehicle in a parking lot? That doesn't seem like a good idea.

Also, you're shooting YOUR OWN TRUCK, goofus.


Very much this. All of it, except the "I carry a gun" part. For one thing guns cost money I ain't got, for another it's hard to imagine a situation happening in my normal daily life where I'd need to pull a gun.

The worst situation I can imagine is like "I've got 7 ones in my wallet and a handful of change.... That? My Food Stamp card. Aw c'mon dude, I'll buy you a bag full of steaks but don't take the damn card, it'll be WEEKS before they replace it."

And if all somebody wants to do is kill me I promise to cooperate if you'll make it fast. "Back of the head, right here. Well? Hurry the fark up before some fool calls 911!"

But shooting your own truck? Won't that void your insurance?
 
2012-09-27 02:39:31 PM

StrangeQ: Jackson Herring: TwistedIvory: I carry a gun, but I consider myself no gun nut. In the unlikely event of a situation in which I'd be forced to draw the gun I would, but for someone stealing a vehicle? Really? Just let it go. Hopefully you have theft coverage. Call the cops and call your insurance company, but opening fire on a moving vehicle in a parking lot? That doesn't seem like a good idea.

Also, you're shooting YOUR OWN TRUCK, goofus.

no don't you understand, a thing is totally worth killing over

A thing? No. An idea? Yes.

The idea is that you can live in a society secure in your person without having to worry about some lowlife farkwit turning it upsidedown because of their antisocial, anarchistic, sociopathic take on life. Putting a bullet in the head of every lowlife piece of shiat that decides to hold up a convenience store because they hold a complete lack of regard for anyone other than themselves is the best thing that could happen to us.


You're insane.
 
2012-09-27 02:41:57 PM
StrangeQ:

Putting a bullet in the head of every lowlife piece of shiat that decides to hold up a convenience store because they hold a complete lack of regard for anyone other than themselves is the best thing that could happen to us.

What about putting a bullet in the head of one lowlife Fark nut because he asks politely? Would "pretty please" be enough? If you promise to do it in one shot I'll tell you the PIN to my Food Stamp card.

I'm aging less gracefully than Erin Moran. And I can't afford to live in a trailer park. And my neighbors will thank you: no more waking up at 3 AM screaming because of CIA aliens.
 
2012-09-27 02:44:06 PM

sycraft: Deep Contact: The guy firing at his own truck misses and someone else thinks they are being shot at draws their weapon out and shoots at the first guy, the 2nd guy misses the 1st guy and another guy thinks they are shooting at him.......

You know, people seem to like to make up these doomsday gun scenarios... but the fact that they are making them up rather than pointing to actual ones really seems to put a damper on the plausibility of them. See that may be what you think would happen but what actually happened was this guy shot at the thief, nobody got hurt, and nobody else shot at him. So sort of the opposite of what you posted.


Stop being obtuse. It is obvious that if we don't do something soon, people will be marrying dogs, fish, goats, and turtles and shiat when they aren't busy raping babies. Just because it has never happened doesn't mean it can't. Ignore your brain and listen to your heart. If you aren't a sociopath, it is telling you to agree with me.

I think I may have grabbed the wrong book of talking points before writing this post, but you get the hint.
 
2012-09-27 02:44:30 PM

mytdawg: Mangoose: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Whatever

That's not a doomsday scenario, that's comedy gold.

Here's another for you...

Link (new window)


Are you trying to prove that an entirely implausible story is actually likely to happen by linking to entirely unrelated incidents?
 
2012-09-27 02:46:05 PM
Walmart huh, isn't that the place that sells those fancy iPhones?
 
2012-09-27 02:46:09 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: mytdawg: Mangoose: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Whatever

That's not a doomsday scenario, that's comedy gold.

Here's another for you...

Link (new window)

Are you trying to prove that an entirely implausible story is actually likely to happen by linking to entirely unrelated incidents?


B..b..b..but GUN! Oooga booga!
 
2012-09-27 02:49:18 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Try to steal my truck one more time, one more time. And it's TO THE MOON LUCY, to the moon!


Was the other guy named Ralph Cramden or Jackie Gleason? He's the one who wanted to send Alice (not Lucy) to the moon.. Mixed old TV metaphor, I guess..(and, yeah...reminds me just how farking old I am)..
 
2012-09-27 02:51:00 PM

umad: Noticeably F.A.T.: mytdawg: Mangoose: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Whatever

That's not a doomsday scenario, that's comedy gold.

Here's another for you...

Link (new window)

Are you trying to prove that an entirely implausible story is actually likely to happen by linking to entirely unrelated incidents?

B..b..b..but GUN! Oooga booga!


An excellent point. I retract my previous remark.
 
2012-09-27 03:03:04 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: mytdawg: Mangoose: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Whatever

That's not a doomsday scenario, that's comedy gold.

Here's another for you...

Link (new window)

Are you trying to prove that an entirely implausible story is actually likely to happen by linking to entirely unrelated incidents?


No, I'm trying to prove the idiots + guns = comedy gold.

dumbass.
 
2012-09-27 03:05:00 PM
Impressive amount of OMGGUN derp on Fark this afternoon. Makes me glad to know the majority of you will never leave their parents' basement.
 
2012-09-27 03:05:02 PM
JTWestside: "By random citizens you mean COPS right?"

Actually I meant random citizens as TFA and the conversation to this point were strictly about the efficacy and sanity of random citizens firing off rounds in reaction to wrongs, real and perceived.

But it's certainly worth noting that there exists plenty of evidence that not even trained cops make great decisions or enjoy great results when they discharge their firearms.
 
2012-09-27 03:07:19 PM

Brainsick: mark12A: Impossible.

I was told that someone who pulls their gun in a situation like this would never, ever miss their target because they're all expert marksmen.

Generally the "Gun Nuts" are better shots than the police. Practice more.

Pity he didn't kill the thief. Better luck next time....

Yeah, he shoulda shot the guy through the shoulder, so as not to kill, then jumped on the hood of the truck, forcing it into an oncoming tanker rig and leaping clear at the last moment while being silhouetted by an awesome explosion. The he should have said something like "better luck next time" even though the car thief is now righteously dead and stuff. Oh, and totally, f- the po-lice, right? They're all so fat and stupid. Nobody should count on them for anything! Haw Haw!

[www.mlove.ru image 150x127]

/ITG for the win


Bolded for "Yea, always".
 
2012-09-27 03:09:04 PM

umad: Noticeably F.A.T.: mytdawg: Mangoose: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Whatever

That's not a doomsday scenario, that's comedy gold.

Here's another for you...

Link (new window)

Are you trying to prove that an entirely implausible story is actually likely to happen by linking to entirely unrelated incidents?

B..b..b..but GUN! Oooga booga!


Yeah, you probably shouldn't have firearms either.
 
2012-09-27 03:13:30 PM

ringersol: StrangeQ: "Putting a bullet in the head of every lowlife piece of shiat that decides to hold up a convenience store because they hold a complete lack of regard for anyone other than themselves is the best thing that could happen to us."

Yeah, that's great and all, but we're over here in reality, where the big question is whether or not random citizens are actually capable of putting their bullets in the criminal more often than they create further victims. If guns were foolproof little buttons one could push that instantly euthanized only actual criminals, *of course* we'd be better off if everyone carried one. But they ain't.


Even your button hypothetical assumes that any given individual would have the right to decide whether someone is an actual criminal, whether there are extenuating circumstances, and what the penalty should be for the crime. Which they do not, of course.  So that farker's violent fantasy is even more removed from reality than you pointed out.
 
2012-09-27 03:21:20 PM
I shot an Arrow into the air
It fell to earth I know not where,
For so swiftly it flew, the sight
Could not follow it in its flight.


Henry Longfellow, London, 1846

Watch this Bubba...

Cletus Genepool, Chattanooga, 2012
 
2012-09-27 03:21:46 PM

mytdawg: Yeah, you probably shouldn't have firearms either.


You do realize that your post is much more likely to be interpereted as "then here is a better example" than as "here's another funny dumbshiat with a gun" don't you? Something something Poe...
 
2012-09-27 03:29:59 PM
As someone who had a car stolen two months ago (from about ten minutes away from this Walmart) I have to say I think it's understandable this guy resorted to firing.

He laid his keys down, I get it. Doesn't mean the farker who found them gets a free truck. And the cops around here aren't gonna do a thing to help find his car, that's for sure.

/awaiting inevitable Tennessee tag
 
2012-09-27 03:39:10 PM
That is good news. If there's ever a place I feel like shooting someone, it's Wal Mart.
 
2012-09-27 03:40:00 PM

TheKickinMule: As someone who had a car stolen two months ago (from about ten minutes away from this Walmart) I have to say I think it's understandable this guy resorted to firing.

He laid his keys down, I get it. Doesn't mean the farker who found them gets a free truck. And the cops around here aren't gonna do a thing to help find his car, that's for sure.

/awaiting inevitable Tennessee tag


I've had stuff stolen before. It's infuriating, and it makes you want to kill the thief. But you don't get to.
 
2012-09-27 03:48:08 PM

Raoul Eaton: ringersol: StrangeQ: "Putting a bullet in the head of every lowlife piece of shiat that decides to hold up a convenience store because they hold a complete lack of regard for anyone other than themselves is the best thing that could happen to us."

Yeah, that's great and all, but we're over here in reality, where the big question is whether or not random citizens are actually capable of putting their bullets in the criminal more often than they create further victims. If guns were foolproof little buttons one could push that instantly euthanized only actual criminals, *of course* we'd be better off if everyone carried one. But they ain't.

Even your button hypothetical assumes that any given individual would have the right to decide whether someone is an actual criminal, whether there are extenuating circumstances, and what the penalty should be for the crime. Which they do not, of course. So that farker's violent fantasy is even more removed from reality than you pointed out.


Extenuating circumstances like you have helped yourself to breaking the lock on my door, hotwired my car and are preparing to drive off? Or that you have walked into a liquor store, pulled out a gun and demanded everything in the till? Or that you have snuck up behind someone at an ATM, put a knife in their back and told them to give you their card and their PIN? Are you really so enamored with bureaucracy that you really believe it is necessary to convene a grand jury to determine if a crime has been commited in those cases? We're not talking about some property law case where conflicting parties have different documents dated decades apart. You have walked outside and see someone driving away in your property; the idea that you would have sympathy for the criminal in that case in simply astounding.
 
2012-09-27 03:58:36 PM
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2012-09-27 04:01:56 PM

ringersol: JTWestside: "By random citizens you mean COPS right?"

Actually I meant random citizens as TFA and the conversation to this point were strictly about the efficacy and sanity of random citizens firing off rounds in reaction to wrongs, real and perceived.

But it's certainly worth noting that there exists plenty of evidence that not even trained cops make great decisions or enjoy great results when they discharge their firearms.


I believe JTWestside was pointing out that COPs are citizens, and for all intents and purposes, no less random than anybody else.

/most COPs are also civilians, just like most random citizens
 
2012-09-27 04:13:36 PM
I'm actually quite pro-gun. But I wasn't aware that you could shoot in any jurisdiction to protect property, especially in public, without being in imminent (perceived) danger. Heck, even in Florida it is "stand your ground" not "chase down the guy stealing your truck". Maybe the thief was driving at him or something?
 
2012-09-27 04:16:51 PM

StrangeQ: You have walked outside and see someone driving away in your property; the idea that you would have sympathy for the criminal in that case in simply astounding.


And that, your honor, is why I killed the repo guy.
 
2012-09-27 04:18:27 PM
How can this be? You can't use deadly force to protect property. Seriously, WTF Tennessee?
 
2012-09-27 04:20:36 PM

JerkStore: How can this be? You can't use deadly force to protect property.


On the contrary....
 
2012-09-27 04:22:03 PM

JerkStore: How can this be? You can't use deadly force to protect property. Seriously, WTF Tennessee?


Sure you can. You can even do that to protect someone else's property. Well, at least you can in Texas.

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2012-09-27 04:27:19 PM
mdeesnuts: "I believe JTWestside was pointing out that COPs are citizens"

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt in assume he was trying to make a point of substance and wasn't just aiming for pointless pedantry.
But, yeah, I could be wrong.
 
2012-09-27 04:33:02 PM

PacManDreaming: JerkStore: How can this be? You can't use deadly force to protect property.

On the contrary....


Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but isn't it saying that you can only do this during the nighttime? And that the property stolen would not be reasonably recoverable -- in the case of stolen cars that might be hard to hold up in court.

Also, I expect that this only "cleanly" applies to theft from your actual property -- i.e. someone stealing from your house or business. Otherwise, other laws about reckless endangerment, discharge in public, etc. could / should reasonably apply.
 
2012-09-27 04:42:18 PM

jabelar: Otherwise, other laws about reckless endangerment, discharge in public, etc. could / should reasonably apply.


Killjoy.
 
2012-09-27 04:46:45 PM
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PacManDreaming: jabelar: Otherwise, other laws about reckless endangerment, discharge in public, etc. could / should reasonably apply.

Killjoy.


Yeah, the other thing that bothers me about these stories is since I carry the question is what do you do when you see someone shooting at an unarmed person? Like if I saw this guy shooting in the parking lot, my first instinct honestly would be to shoot him.

That's generally the issue with all these laws -- situational awareness is not a strong human attribute, even trained professionals make a lot of mistakes in the moment.

These things always seem good in fantasy "I'll take some bad guy off the street and be hailed as hero" but are more likely to play out as "I killed a mentally retarded teenager as well as hit some little old lady". Just doesn't seem as heroic ...
 
2012-09-27 04:48:32 PM

jabelar: what do you do when you see someone shooting at an unarmed person?


Join in? Perhaps there's loot to share?
 
2012-09-27 05:14:33 PM

jurisp: Was the other guy named Ralph Cramden or Jackie Gleason?


Yes.
 
2012-09-27 05:14:38 PM

Itstoearly: Impressive amount of OMGGUN derp on Fark this afternoon. Makes me glad to know the majority of you will never leave their parents' basement.


In this case, it's more like OMG MORON.

Opening fire on a moving target in a populated area when no one's life is threatened is stupid. What's the shooter attempting to do in that situation and what's the likelihood of actually accomplishing that?
 
2012-09-27 06:28:50 PM

Deep Contact: The guy firing at his own truck misses and someone else thinks they are being shot at draws their weapon out and shoots at the first guy, the 2nd guy misses the 1st guy and another guy thinks they are shooting at him.......


Right, because in the over 25 years since "Shall Issue" carry started to become the norm, that's happened SO many times...

/Still waiting for the streets to run red with the blood of Soccer Moms capping each other over parking spaces as we were PROMISED...
 
2012-09-27 06:33:48 PM

PsyLord: That'll never happen since a civilian with a CCW will never miss when discharging his/her weapon at a target because they are all crack shots that have way more range time than police.

/ducks



Heh. Professionally, I have to fire either 50 or 60 rounds a year, depending on the course of fire the instructor wants. As a gun nut, I fire many thousands of rounds a year. I'm a decent shot not because I have to qualify annually, I'm a decent shot because I practice a little bit on my own.

I really do miss that time of my life when my ammo came in pallets, and was tax-deductable.
 
2012-09-27 06:37:10 PM

ScottRiqui:

Firing at an unarmed (as far as you know) thief who's fleeing the scene puts you on shaky legal ground in just about any state.


I dunno...it's kind of hard to think of somebody behind the wheel of a 4,000 pound guided missile as being "unarmed", at least if there's a chance he might hit you.
 
2012-09-27 06:39:56 PM

mod3072: That is good news. If there's ever a place I feel like shooting someone, it's Wal Mart.


I refuse to go to Wal-Mart WITHOUT a gun. People do some crazy, crazy shiat there...
 
2012-09-27 06:42:54 PM

ProfessorOhki:

What happens if you shoot and kill the thief and the newly-out-of-control vehicle runs over a kid? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you probably shouldn't kill someone operating heavy machinery unless there's an immediate risk to life because you run the risk of creating a greater danger.


Odds are pretty good that the dead thief's foot will come off the gas pedal, and the car will stop, rather than picking up speed.
 
2012-09-27 06:55:31 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: ScottRiqui:

Firing at an unarmed (as far as you know) thief who's fleeing the scene puts you on shaky legal ground in just about any state.

I dunno...it's kind of hard to think of somebody behind the wheel of a 4,000 pound guided missile as being "unarmed", at least if there's a chance he might hit you.


When you're trying to assert justification in court, you can't go by what the driver *might* do. If he's driving away from you and you've got no reason to believe he's armed, shooting at him is going to be a very tough sell. Now, if the thief turned the truck around and was driving at the shooter, that's another matter entirely, and similar circumstance *have* been used in the past to successfully validate an assertion of justification.
 
2012-09-27 08:12:53 PM

ScottRiqui: Secret Master of All Flatulence:
I dunno...it's kind of hard to think of somebody behind the wheel of a 4,000 pound guided missile as being "unarmed", at least if there's a chance he might hit you.

When you're trying to assert justification in court, you can't go by what the driver *might* do. If he's driving away from you and you've got no reason to believe he's armed, shooting at him is going to be a very tough sell. Now, if the thief turned the truck around and was driving at the shooter, that's another matter entirely, and similar circumstance *have* been used in the past to successfully validate an assertion of justification.


It's a "reasonable person" standard in most, if not all, places. And you don't have to let the person kill you before you can justifiably defend yourself.
 
2012-09-27 08:24:56 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: ScottRiqui: Secret Master of All Flatulence:
I dunno...it's kind of hard to think of somebody behind the wheel of a 4,000 pound guided missile as being "unarmed", at least if there's a chance he might hit you.

When you're trying to assert justification in court, you can't go by what the driver *might* do. If he's driving away from you and you've got no reason to believe he's armed, shooting at him is going to be a very tough sell. Now, if the thief turned the truck around and was driving at the shooter, that's another matter entirely, and similar circumstance *have* been used in the past to successfully validate an assertion of justification.

It's a "reasonable person" standard in most, if not all, places. And you don't have to let the person kill you before you can justifiably defend yourself.


If you should ever find yourself in that situation, do what you feel you must. I'm just telling you that historically, civilians who have shot unarmed fleeing suspects haven't fared well in the courts. True, the driver of the truck *could have* turned around and attempted to run down the truck's owner, but that level of "what if" is a hard sell in a justification defense.
 
2012-09-27 08:53:19 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: ProfessorOhki:

What happens if you shoot and kill the thief and the newly-out-of-control vehicle runs over a kid? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you probably shouldn't kill someone operating heavy machinery unless there's an immediate risk to life because you run the risk of creating a greater danger.

Odds are pretty good that the dead thief's foot will come off the gas pedal, and the car will stop, rather than picking up speed.


You're on a grade.
 
2012-09-27 08:54:43 PM

ProfessorOhki: Secret Master of All Flatulence: ProfessorOhki:

What happens if you shoot and kill the thief and the newly-out-of-control vehicle runs over a kid? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you probably shouldn't kill someone operating heavy machinery unless there's an immediate risk to life because you run the risk of creating a greater danger.

Odds are pretty good that the dead thief's foot will come off the gas pedal, and the car will stop, rather than picking up speed.

You're on a grade.


Besides, you're supposing a perfect kill shot, rather than the more likely, "OH GOD, I'VE BEEN SHOT, WHAT DO- WHARGRAAARBL" shot.
 
2012-09-28 12:57:18 AM
Agreed subby, its a sad day when the owner of the your are trying to steal can just shoot you with impunity.
 
2012-09-28 01:14:53 AM
Wait a second, the headline has nothing to do with the actual story. Is this some sort of habit on this website? I've never seen such shenanigans.
 
2012-09-28 11:07:58 AM

stuffy: Agreed subby, its a sad day when the owner of the your are trying to steal can just shoot you with impunity.


It would be. If the owner had shot anybody. Turns out, he could have shouted and shaken his fist at the thief for all the good the gun did him.
 
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