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2012-09-27 09:28:44 AM
16 votes:
Another attempt to get this greenlit?

Dancin_In_Anson: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Perhaps this would blow your skirt up.

I seriously doubt it though.


Uncertainty rises during and after a recession? No shiat? Clearly I should start supporting the party and policies that were in charge leading up to the recession and not the ones that were in charge while we pulled back from complete destruction and actually started to recover, even at a slower pace than your highness' liking.
2012-09-27 08:58:28 AM
8 votes:
But, I did find a job. Thanks Obama!
2012-09-27 08:47:09 AM
8 votes:
This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.
2012-09-27 10:04:58 AM
7 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Perhaps this would blow your skirt up.

I seriously doubt it though.


Those types of surveys really don't surprise me. I just don't see how you can point the finger at Obama. Four years ago almost to the day the world experienced a global economic crash that was unprecedented and will go down in the history books. We still have not recovered and demand has not caught up with what the world can supply. On top of that here in the U.S. we are in the middle of a presidential election. Every single presidential election that I can remember has caused a slight downturn. This is a rational economic response. Not just because we may or may not have a new president. But also because the balance of power in congress will always change.

Ignoring these economic conditions and herping the derp about non specified fairy tail job killing regulations is farking retarded.
2012-09-27 01:34:06 PM
6 votes:
WAKE UP, AMERICA. SMALL BUSINESSES ARE UNDER ATTACK!

"Gee, I'd really like to get my flower shop up and running, but the EPA regulations are killing me!"
www.aboutbradsugars.com
"This bakery would be far more successful if the Wall Street reform measures in the Dodd-Frank bill were removed."
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"I know this bookstore has the best selection in the neighborhood... but how can I profit when oil drilling operations require so many inspections?"
www.exitarchitect.com
2012-09-27 11:56:32 AM
5 votes:
My company is owned by Bain. Ask the many, many people that got fired from my company after Bain took over what they think a Romney Presidency would be like. Ask the IT people that were let go and replaced with Indian workers. Ask the drivers that were told that they were being outsourced and they could apply for jobs at the new outsourcing company for half pay and no benefits, and then none of them got hired anyway.

And Romney wants to run America like one of his companies?

That's farking terrifying to me.
2012-09-27 10:24:52 AM
5 votes:
i194.photobucket.com

Dear President Romney,

In this dark economic time, I am not comfortable with starting a small business. Once you are sworn into office, I have plans to start a small potato manufacturing operation which will generate potato dollars in revenue every year.

Love,
Torg
2012-09-27 10:14:49 AM
5 votes:
Middle class and poor people need money or small businesses won't have clients, end of story.

Electing the guy who wants to take deductions away from the poor and middle class for tax cuts for the rich isn't going to help small business at all.
2012-09-27 01:07:47 PM
3 votes:
Remember folks, when people succeed, it's all their own doing, they built it alone. When people fail, it's the oppressive governments fault, with their high taxes and regulations.

Also remember folks, this is coming from the party of "personal responsibility".
2012-09-27 12:48:47 PM
3 votes:
I'm farking sick and tired of seeing these campaign ads claiming "Obama's job killing regulations are hurting us small businesses" when they never say just what regulations they're talking about. Romney says the same thing; state campaigns are saying the same thing; even the Super-Pac ads are saying it, but they never tell you what they are talking about.

I'm thinking "job killing regulations" is a dog whistle for "Obamacare" as well as minimum wage and non-discrimination laws. It's fairly clear the GOP wants us to go back to the days of sweatshops, child labor and company towns; what better way to do so than to abolish OSHA, gut EPA, let corporations pay whatever pittance the serfs will accept and put them all to work!
2012-09-27 12:47:42 PM
3 votes:
when business succeeds...its their own power that did it...

when they fail....its the fault of the Government...totally...never in anyway shape or form market forces or piss poor business plan.

when they don't even START A NEW BUSINESS thats Obamas fault Now?

you know I've been meaning to become a millionaire cowboy astronaut...but can't because Obama...RIIIIGHT.
2012-09-27 12:46:53 PM
3 votes:
Another dispatch from an alternate reality, where a recession that started during a Republican president's 7th year in office, after he passed two massive tax breaks for the rich that were supposed to "create jobs" that FAILED COMPLETELY, after DE-regulation, not regulation, led to financial collapse, and the tax breaks and two bloated wars turned a SURPLUS into MASSIVE DEBT... the Republican Retard Brigade is still saying "it's the black dude's fault."

Fark off and die. Seriously.
2012-09-27 12:40:12 PM
3 votes:

WI241TH: But, I did find a job. Thanks Obama!


Me too! Thanks Obama!
2012-09-27 02:40:35 PM
2 votes:
Why can't I find a job? Because employers have gone farking insane and I'm not one to play the paycheck-to-paycheck game. Sorry guys, you can have use of my skills when you bring back the 40 hour work week and allow people to actually take vacation. Until then, traveling, hiking, and some days doing nothing but goofing around on the internet works perfectly well for me.

Know that job posting you put up and can't figure out why you can't find someone good to fill the position? Try splitting it into the two positions it use to be and you might find people who aren't the dredges of the labor pool.
2012-09-27 02:13:22 PM
2 votes:
smitty: This is why you can't find a job

I'm pretty sure that most of us are posting from our jobs right now. The clickity-clackity sound of my typing this post probably sounds to my boss like work is getting done, and that's a win-win.

/oh shiat, he's standing behind me right now, isn't he?
2012-09-27 01:00:55 PM
2 votes:
54% of respondants said that other countries like China and India are more supportive of their small business, but I'd be willing to bet that most of that 54% would scream "socialism!" if we tried to be more supportive of our small businesses in the same way.
2012-09-27 12:57:12 PM
2 votes:
I had a friend who was telling me how government costs and regulation from people starting business. I asked him "Like which one's? Tell me which one's you are referring to exactly?"

Guess what his answer was?

He didn't know of any specifically. He couldn't name one. I have started about 3 businesses in my life, him? NONE. but he was lecturing me on stupid talking points that he actually had no knowledge of.

Normal GOP BS talking points.
2012-09-27 12:52:28 PM
2 votes:
You know why I won't start a small business and "create jobs"? Because I would lose health insurance. I am tied to an inefficient position because I need the insurance, and the status quo does nothing to control costs so that I could afford premiums or out-of-pocket expenses during the lean times when I'm starting up a business.
2012-09-27 12:49:40 PM
2 votes:
And I will do so gladly. People who refuse to open a business because a ni... Democrat is in office are the type of people whom I wouldn't want to work for or patronize anyway.
2012-09-27 12:46:59 PM
2 votes:
OK, I see that small businesses are not the only ones not hiring. Neither are newspapers. They're outsourcing articles to India.

Paragraph one: States small businesses would not start their business today, blames Obama and regulation.
Paragraph two: Quotes businessman saying there is too much uncertainty and too many regulations.
Paragraph three: States small businesses would not start their business today, blames Obama regulations.
Paragraph four: Bullet chart showing statistics: There is too much uncertainty, too many regulations, blames Obama.
Paragraph five: Quotes another businessman saying there is too much regulation.

I can understand good reporting, I can understand biased reporting. I can even understand bad reporting. This isn't reporting. This is a high-school journalism essay whose author thought that saying the same thing five different ways was the same as reporting the news.
2012-09-27 12:42:00 PM
2 votes:
fta "There is far too much uncertainty, too many burdensome regulations and too few policymakers willing to put aside their egos and fulfill their responsibilities to the American people,"

Here, ya flippin' whiner, since you don't already have a pair

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2012-09-27 11:55:14 AM
2 votes:

downstairs: I have a ton of friends who own retail/bar/restaurant businesses down here.  *local* regulations are what fark them up.  Again, never had one come up against a federal regulation that hurt them.


My wife runs a smallish stable off our property and our most recent hassle was from our local building inspector, farking douchebag looking for more money for the town wanted to force us to build our new barn with a cement pad and additional framing that isn't required when building a barn so they could tax us as multipurpose out building instead of a barn which gets taxed at a lower rate because it is a farm building so instead we did significant repairs and updates on our old structure. The cement pad alone was going to cost us over 10,000 dollars These are the kinds of people republicans want to give more power to, how about no...
2012-09-27 11:42:42 AM
2 votes:
The funny thing is that small business owners are just as screwed under a Tea Party government as the rest of us. For the Tea Party, it's all about Big Business. You are only as valuable as your bank account. Consolidation, monopolies, cartels, trusts... that's what Big Business wants, and there's no room for small business or competition in that world. J. P. Morgan would heartily approve.
2012-09-27 11:26:02 AM
2 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: gameshowhost: When Mongoloids Opine

There is nothing in the world more punchable than a young conservative.


Normally, yes. But here's a counter-point:

www.lisamoscatiello.com
2012-09-27 10:31:17 AM
2 votes:

sweetmelissa31: [i194.photobucket.com image 220x153]

Dear President Romney,

In this dark economic time, I am not comfortable with starting a small business. Once you are sworn into office, I have plans to start a small potato manufacturing operation which will generate potato dollars in revenue every year.

Love,
Torg


gopprimary2012.com

Dear Torg,

When I become President, my first act will be to reunite you with my son Bapp. I wish you luck in your Potato concern.

Salutations,

Mort Roomney
2012-09-27 10:24:37 AM
2 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: sammyk: I just don't see how you can point the finger at Obama

Then you aren't paying attention.


For every complex question there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.

I'm fine with reducing regulations and removing unnecessary and obstructive ones. However, the anti-regulation people tend to not come from a position of "These are necessary, but we need to fix them." They come from a position of "All regulations are fundamentally wrong, and even if they fit on one page it wouldn't satisfy our warped sense of what a free market is."

Kind of like the discussion about social safety nets. It's okay to have standards, but not when you're starting with the idea that all recipients are lazy and all safety nets enable them and should be torn down to let everyone rely on charity and assume that all economic circumstances are directly controllable by individuals.
2012-09-27 10:18:43 AM
2 votes:
The same NFIB: Small business owners are most likely to identify lack of demand as their biggest impediment to growth. And those who identify uncertainty as an impediment generally mean uncertainty about future sales - i.e., demand - rather than deficits or taxes or regulations. Link
2012-09-27 09:35:15 AM
2 votes:
Y'know, 'uncertainty' could also mean "we don't know just how badly Mitt and his band of neocons are gonna tank the economy if god forbid he actually wins."
2012-09-27 05:16:49 PM
1 votes:

NateGrey: Then, at the check out, I mentioned to the checker that the Pepcid AC that I was purchasing had been pulled from the shelves for about a year and now it's back. He shook his head and said that they must have reformulated it. I said, no, the reason it was pulled was because Obama had made a deal with the pharmaceutical companies to force people onto the more expensive prescription medications. He shook his head, yes that was probably right. He said, I'm an economics major and I'm sure not voting for Obama. The lady in back of me, was shaking her head in agreement. Everyone was listening and shaking their heads in agreement.


Hey, if a bunch of random strangers agreed that Obama is bad according to a random person on a partisan troll site, then it's got to be true.
2012-09-27 05:05:09 PM
1 votes:
NateGrey: Oh you want to hear regulation chew on this libs:

I ran into a friend of mine in Costco, yesterday, and she asked me if I thought that there is any chance that we could defeat Obama and she had tears in her eyes.


Johnson & Johnson has had to recall such a variety of products because of quality-control problems across product lines, in multiple factories and in several units last year. Some of its consumer products, for instance, may have contained bits of metal. Others came in bottles with a moldy smell. And some products have gone missing from stores with hardly an explanation. All of this has put the company and its manufacturing under the intense scrutiny of lawmakers and officials at the Food and Drug Administration....Nothing better illustrates Johnson & Johnson's difficulties in remedying McNeil's woes - and the longstanding frustration of federal regulators - than the events at the company's plant in Las Piedras, Puerto Rico. Consumers started complaining as early as April 2008 about moldy-smelling Tylenol arthritis caplets that they said nauseated them or gave them stomach problems......McNeil did not alert the F.D.A. until September 2009 and then didn't start a substantial recall until December 2009 - during an F.D.A. inspection of the plant, according to F.D.A. documents......In January 2010, the agency sent a warning letter to Peter Luther, the president of McNeil, complaining that the company's initial investigation "was unjustifiably delayed and terminated prematurely." It said that even though consumers had also complained about a moldy smell in Rolaids and Extra-Strength Tylenol, the company had not widened its investigation to include those products.

But ACCORDING TO THE ASTONISHINGLY RESPLENDENT INTELLECTS ON FREE REPUBLIC, the Satano-MarxFascist in Chief personally went into those pharma manufactories and personally ruined those several millions of individual doses of OTC medications with his own hands

In other words, NateGrey's whining about "libs" seems to indicate that he might prefer OTC medicines that smell, taste, and function like three year old unwashed gym socks over OTC medicines made in clean, properly maintained facilities.
2012-09-27 04:23:52 PM
1 votes:

daemoncan: It looks like he's wearing his daddy's shirt....


and enjoys playing dominoes with the old ladies at the church social.
2012-09-27 04:19:29 PM
1 votes:
Let's try that again....

There is nothing in the world more punchable than a young conservative.

images2.dailykos.com 

It looks like he's wearing his daddy's shirt....
2012-09-27 03:52:09 PM
1 votes:

torr5962: Just Another OC Homeless Guy :

If you do not accept Obama and agree 100% with his agenda and the Fark Liberals, you are thrown into the fire and burned...dont you understand? It doesnt matter if you live in CA and will be voting for Obama. You must, MUST, accept that conservatism is not only bad, but Romney is Hitler and poor people will be eating dirt if voted into office. If you disagee one iota from the Fark-left they will shout you down with insults and rhetoric, denying any facts to the contrary in the hope of being able to insult you into their conformity. Again: It does not matter if you vote for OBAMA! That is not good enough....you must be willing to die for every one of his policies while denouncing any and all conservative ideas.

You have been warned.


You sound upset. Do you need help getting down from that cross?
2012-09-27 03:42:47 PM
1 votes:

gameshowhost: ecmoRandomNumbers: gameshowhost: When Mongoloids Opine

There is nothing in the world more punchable than a young conservative.

Normally, yes. But here's a counter-point:

[www.lisamoscatiello.com image 320x320]


counter-counter point

images.politico.com
2012-09-27 03:22:38 PM
1 votes:
You know, if we had a National Health Service it would be much easier to start a small business.

How much of that dreadful 'government regulation' is about health insurance?
2012-09-27 03:11:58 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Why bother? You koolaid drinkers would simply handwave away all citation sources as being unreliable or biased, all facts as being simply misperceptions, and all examples as being isolated instances.

Well here's a whole bunch of (anecdotal) examples: I'm a degree'ed accountant with 40 years of management accounting experience. Over the last 4 years I've been able to land, mainly through accounting placement agencies (those that haven't gone out of business) about a dozen temp jobs for specific projects. The clients have all liked my work. Several of them, in fact, have asked the agency that placed me to have me come back and work on other projects. All of them - even after the one year period for having to pay placement fees has expired - have been unwilling to expand their accounting functions and hire me permanently. The reason, when I have asked, has been "the Obama economy" each and every time.

In Southern California you simply can't pay for an apartment on UI supplemented by (temporarily replaced by) the occasional 1 or 2 week / month gig. 12 months ago the finances reached the point where we were forced to become homeless and live in a camper. The work clothes stay in a Public Storage locker, where I can change if/when I get another temp gig. We shower at 24 Hr Fitness to keep clean. I get my UI and VA medical benefits; my wife gets her SS Disability, Cal Optima, and OCMH care. We are surviving.

I'll be voting for Obama, even though I fully recognize that his bad decisions and indecision have led to this situation. Two reasons: (1) I'm afraid Romney will try to "stimulate the economy" by cutting out /scaling back the UI. This, of course, is "bass acwards" - you can't force people back to work if there are no jobs. (2) I'm hopin ...


I was going to show some compassion and say how sorry I was to hear about your run of bad luck but then you told me "fark you". So I will tell you what I really think. I think your full of shiat. Unemployment may be at %8.2 but it is very very low for degreed professionals with experience. If you really are a CPA with 40 years experience you are very bad at your job. You are still taking temp jobs FFS. See I know a lot of CPA's and they all have a few things in common. All of them have a job with more work available then they can handle. They are also very good at handling their own personal finances. Unemployment isn't the only safety net those people rely on.

I have also had a lot of encounters with homeless people. A lot of them have imaginary friends. You sure it wasn't the voices telling you it was "The Obama Economy"?
2012-09-27 02:56:39 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Well, it would seem that I have been corrected. Perhaps a few more rules, a reg here, 5 or 6 more compliance documents there is what the economy needs. God only knows that businesses don't spend enough non productive time as it is!


Ah, the sure sign when you've been broken. You can't directly to respond to any of the points or arguments presented to you, so instead you go into hyperbolic sarcasm against a strawman you want to address instead.
2012-09-27 02:51:02 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Well, it would seem that I have been corrected. Perhaps a few more rules, a reg here, 5 or 6 more compliance documents there is what the economy needs. God only knows that businesses don't spend enough non productive time as it is!



I notice you still haven't answered the question about which specific regulations are killing jobs.

Instead you reply with straw-man nonsense, implying that anyone that is pro-regulation wants companies to fill out forms needlessly. Real intelligent.
2012-09-27 02:50:20 PM
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Why bother? You koolaid drinkers would simply handwave away all citation sources as being unreliable or biased, all facts as being simply misperceptions, and all examples as being isolated instances.

Well here's a whole bunch of (anecdotal) examples: I'm a degree'ed accountant with 40 years of management accounting experience. Over the last 4 years I've been able to land, mainly through accounting placement agencies (those that haven't gone out of business) about a dozen temp jobs for specific projects. The clients have all liked my work. Several of them, in fact, have asked the agency that placed me to have me come back and work on other projects. All of them - even after the one year period for having to pay placement fees has expired - have been unwilling to expand their accounting functions and hire me permanently. The reason, when I have asked, has been "the Obama economy" each and every time.

In Southern California you simply can't pay for an apartment on UI supplemented by (temporarily replaced by) the occasional 1 or 2 week / month gig. 12 months ago the finances reached the point where we were forced to become homeless and live in a camper. The work clothes stay in a Public Storage locker, where I can change if/when I get another temp gig. We shower at 24 Hr Fitness to keep clean. I get my UI and VA medical benefits; my wife gets her SS Disability, Cal Optima, and OCMH care. We are surviving.

I'll be voting for Obama, even though I fully recognize that his bad decisions and indecision have led to this situation. Two reasons: (1) I'm afraid Romney will try to "stimulate the economy" by cutting out /scaling back the UI. This, of course, is "bass acwards" - you can't force people back to work if the ...


Sergeant Grumbles: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The reason, when I have asked, has been "the Obama economy" each and every time.

Your biggest problem is that you believe them. As most of the other posts in this thread show, no one can point to the job-murdering regulations that are strangling business, but plenty of just plain bad business decisions. The only reason these people blame Obama is because Fox News told them to. By every measure our economy has improved since the 2008 crash. If demand is still sluggish, it's because we bailed out corporations instead of consumers and outsourcing is still rewarded.


>>>>no one can point to the job-murdering regulations that are strangling business

As already mentioned (you obviously were not paying attention) - Link

>>>>The only reason these people blame Obama is because Fox News told them to.

Yep. Every single decision maker across a whole range of business is simply a mindless robot glassily staring at Fox News. Actually, this sounds like classic projection.

>>>By every measure our economy has improved since the 2008 crash

Except for, you know, that whole JOBS thing.

>>>>If demand is still sluggish, it's because we bailed out corporations instead of consumers and outsourcing is still rewarded.

This is the first possibly true thing you have said.
2012-09-27 02:50:06 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Well here's a whole bunch of (anecdotal) examples: I'm a degree'ed accountant with 40 years of management accounting experience. Over the last 4 years I've been able to land, mainly through accounting placement agencies (those that haven't gone out of business) about a dozen temp jobs for specific projects. The clients have all liked my work. Several of them, in fact, have asked the agency that placed me to have me come back and work on other projects. All of them - even after the one year period for having to pay placement fees has expired - have been unwilling to expand their accounting functions and hire me permanently. The reason, when I have asked, has been "the Obama economy" each and every time.

Sounds legit.


And...as I posted earlier, they will also turn around and tell you they are exceeding their annual goals, posting record sales. So which is it, you a$$holes?!!!
2012-09-27 02:47:22 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dancin_In_Anson: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Perhaps this would blow your skirt up.

I seriously doubt it though.

The liberal: immune to facts.


When about half of "conservatives" think Obama is Kenyan and/or Muslim, you should probably refrain from throwing rocks.
2012-09-27 02:46:06 PM
1 votes:
The left-leaning Center for Media and Democracy has posted on NFIBexposed.org, its new website, a study that reveals how consistently the NFIB lobbies on issues that favor large corporate interests rather than small-business interests; its thoroughly partisan agenda; and the millions it receives in secret contributions from groups associated with Karl Rove and the Koch Brothers. Link

Link

What a shocking turn of events or not at all.
2012-09-27 02:45:07 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I blame Obama for not actively working to reassure business. He spent his political capital on ramming through his heath care legislation and doing multi-billion dollar bailouts to his crony-capitalist and in-government friends. I would estimate that only pennies on the dollar of those "stimulous funds" have arrived at anything other that numbered Swiss bank accounts.


*sighs* Didn't think I'd have to use it again.
imageshack.us

Get some better talking points. Seriously. I could stop reading at "ramming through healthcare legislation" and know everything else you're going to say.
2012-09-27 02:45:05 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I detect a common theme from all the koolaid drinkers, that anyone who blames Obama for this must be a retard. This is so common, in fact, that I wonder whether they are all the same person, or simply automatically, like lemmings, "zone in" on the "meme of the day".


Get a job
2012-09-27 02:44:02 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I detect a common theme from all the koolaid drinkers, that anyone who blames Obama for this must be a retard. This is so common, in fact, that I wonder whether they are all the same person, or simply automatically, like lemmings, "zone in" on the "meme of the day".


Help us out. What specific "job killing federal regulations" has Obama implemented? Nobody seems to be able to pinpoint them.
2012-09-27 02:40:41 PM
1 votes:
I detect a common theme from all the koolaid drinkers, that anyone who blames Obama for this must be a retard. This is so common, in fact, that I wonder whether they are all the same person, or simply automatically, like lemmings, "zone in" on the "meme of the day".
2012-09-27 02:36:26 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I blame Obama for not actively working to reassure business.


Obama passed 18 tax cuts for small businesses. Link, .pdf

Get the government out of the way!

But I also need assurances from the government.

How fragile you whiners are. Seriously, what's your excuse?
2012-09-27 02:32:19 PM
1 votes:

sammyk: Dancin_In_Anson: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Perhaps this would blow your skirt up.

I seriously doubt it though.

Those types of surveys really don't surprise me. I just don't see how you can point the finger at Obama. Four years ago almost to the day the world experienced a global economic crash that was unprecedented and will go down in the history books. We still have not recovered and demand has not caught up with what the world can supply. On top of that here in the U.S. we are in the middle of a presidential election. Every single presidential election that I can remember has caused a slight downturn. This is a rational economic response. Not just because we may or may not have a new president. But also because the balance of power in congress will always change.

Ignoring these economic conditions and herping the derp about non specified fairy tail job killing regulations is farking retarded.


I blame Obama for not actively working to reassure business. He spent his political capital on ramming through his heath care legislation and doing multi-billion dollar bailouts to his crony-capitalist and in-government friends. I would estimate that only pennies on the dollar of those "stimulous funds" have arrived at anything other that numbered Swiss bank accounts.
2012-09-27 02:32:01 PM
1 votes:

radiovox: Apparently, you haven't tried to start a small business.


No, I haven't, but I know two immediate family members who did. They're both drunken dullards, neither has any college education and one dropped out of high school. What, specifically, should I ask them? It's a garage so they have plenty of EPA regulations they're obligated to follow, if that helps. They've been going for 8 years now. 

That's what gets me about you whiny morons. If my two idiot family members who spend a good 1/3 of the week slammed on liquor and cheap beer can manage to start and run a business capable of supporting itself and a family of four, why can't you? How much dumber are you than these two 'tards? Because they're pretty farkin' 'tarded.
2012-09-27 02:30:36 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dancin_In_Anson: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Perhaps this would blow your skirt up.

I seriously doubt it though.

The liberal: immune to facts.


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/Meanwhile conservatives are altering polls to reflect their alternate reality
2012-09-27 02:30:36 PM
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radiovox: Apparently, you haven't tried to start a small business. Give it a try and see what happens when local, state and federal regulation start costing you more than you ever imagined while major corporations get a pass on everything.


No shiat.

After 4 years, when the thing finally started making money, my Dad said " If I had known how much in taxes and fees were going to take when I started this, I probably would have kept working for my old company. If you fail, you are on your own but as soon as you make a dollar there is a guy with his hand out from the government. It's almost not worth it."
2012-09-27 01:48:26 PM
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tony41454: 54 percent say other countries like China and India are more supportive of their small businesses and manufacturers than the United States.


Yes, we should strive to be like India and Communist China.

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/Apparently 54% are idiots
2012-09-27 01:22:45 PM
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chasd00: pxsteel: The CEO of HP said that the rising payrolls in China and the rise in freight cost has narrowed the gap in the cost of production. If the administration would relax a couple of the new EPA regs and be flexible on the tax rates that HP could move production back to the US.

The administration said... NO

I thought, what would you rather have
10% of 200M
or
30% of 0

too bad HP can't threaten Obama with the UAW


HP? The same company that knowingly bought PALM thinking it was a good idea?

HP has some of the most idiotic management in the tech sector. Forgive me if I disregard anything that comes out of their mouths.
2012-09-27 01:19:18 PM
1 votes:

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: WI241TH: But, I did find a job. Thanks Obama!

Me too! Thanks Obama!


Me too, Thanks Obama!
2012-09-27 01:19:17 PM
1 votes:

pxsteel: The CEO of HP said that the rising payrolls in China and the rise in freight cost has narrowed the gap in the cost of production. If the administration would relax a couple of the new EPA regs and be flexible on the tax rates that HP could move production back to the US.

The administration said... NO

I thought, what would you rather have
10% of 200M
or
30% of 0


too bad HP can't threaten Obama with the UAW
2012-09-27 01:18:02 PM
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Renart: Can a conservative explain to me why, even if I thought Obama's handling of the recession and economic crisis was poor, I should vote for the party whose policies brought about that recession and economic crisis? 'Cause I'm not getting it.


No they can't. Which is why Romney is getting his ass whipped.
2012-09-27 01:16:09 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Corvus: [reflectionsofarationalrepublican.files.wordpress.com image 482x293]

Yes lets go back to the "business friendly" policies that were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month.

any reason you only care about private employment? people who work in the public sector need to be able to eat too.


I am sorry do you think government jobs are "small business"?
2012-09-27 01:16:01 PM
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birchman: Is this the part where we pretend that private sector jobs haven't grown by more than 4 million under Obama?


You mean have only grown by about 4 million. That's not good enough. So vote for the guy promising to take us back to how it was before Obama.

No. I don't get it either, but that's basically what the republicans are arguing... we should take two steps back with Mitt because we've only gone one forward with Obama....
2012-09-27 01:15:49 PM
1 votes:

pxsteel: The CEO of HP said that the rising payrolls in China and the rise in freight cost has narrowed the gap in the cost of production. If the administration would relax a couple of the new EPA regs and be flexible on the tax rates that HP could move production back to the US.

The administration said... NO

I thought, what would you rather have
10% of 200M
or
30% of 0


You really believe that. How cute. Can we dump the toxins in your yard? You'd be cool with that, right? And raise your income taxes to cover HP's tax break, because I know you're concerned about the deficit? That's cool too, right?
2012-09-27 01:14:48 PM
1 votes:
I have a job

Thanks Obama
2012-09-27 01:13:32 PM
1 votes:
Can a conservative explain to me why, even if I thought Obama's handling of the recession and economic crisis was poor, I should vote for the party whose policies brought about that recession and economic crisis? 'Cause I'm not getting it.
2012-09-27 01:11:32 PM
1 votes:
Is this the part where we pretend that private sector jobs haven't grown by more than 4 million under Obama?
2012-09-27 01:11:20 PM
1 votes:
FTA: "There is far too much uncertainty, too many burdensome regulations and too few policymakers willing to put aside their egos and fulfill their responsibilities to the American people,"

I agree.

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2012-09-27 01:10:26 PM
1 votes:
www.bls.gov

Whatever.
2012-09-27 01:09:36 PM
1 votes:

YoungSwedishBlonde: Remember folks, when people succeed, it's all their own doing, they built it alone. When people fail, it's the oppressive governments fault, with their high taxes and regulations.

Also remember folks, this is coming from the party of "personal responsibility".


This bears repeating! \

/"Party of Personal Responsibility" my ass!
2012-09-27 01:05:25 PM
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Dancin_In_Anson: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Perhaps this would blow your skirt up.

I seriously doubt it though.


Uh what would Romney do to fix this? Travel back in time and prevent the financial crisis?
2012-09-27 01:02:41 PM
1 votes:
About the same percentage of people that this that Obama's regulations are negatively affecting their small business also think that China provides an atmosphere with less government interference and regulations. So in other words over half of small business owners are dumbasses.
2012-09-27 01:01:08 PM
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BarrRepublican 2012-09-27 12:49:04 PM

Found a great job last year after being laid off during the Bush crash. I was able to squeak by until the slow hire began again thanks to unemployment insurance, so now I know just how important that safety net can be. In Jan 2010, I found temporary work as a company, my hire being funded by the ARRA. While at this foundry, I learned why OSHA is also pretty farking important. So that stays.

And now even though it took a lot of hard work and some creative budgeting, I've got an excellent job in helping to get this company's facilities properly upgraded and the staff properly trained to run Aerospace work. (Which has revealed to me the importance of public education as it relates to our current manufacturing industry.)

Meanwhile, I watched the GOP purposely sabotage legislation that helped me survive and get back on my feet to the point where I could do for myself again, as I have finally come to be again.

The current GOP has lost me and probably others my age for a long time.


Democrat hippy liberal fellow American kitty hugs you and wishes you all the best.
2012-09-27 12:58:36 PM
1 votes:
what a punchable face....

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...In fact, it looks like somebody already punched him in the mouth.
2012-09-27 12:52:13 PM
1 votes:

Headso: Middle class and poor people need money or small businesses won't have clients, end of story.


Henry Ford figured that one out. If you keep all the profits for the owners and the bankers then the only people who can afford your products are owners and bankers, and that doesn't work when you want to increase sales.

Although I suspect his high wages came about from anti-semitism in a roundabout manner.
2012-09-27 12:50:54 PM
1 votes:
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"I still ain't a plumber, and I still ain't paid my taxes. It's obviously Obama's fault!"
2012-09-27 12:50:10 PM
1 votes:

Bendal: I'm farking sick and tired of seeing these campaign ads claiming "Obama's job killing regulations are hurting us small businesses" when they never say just what regulations they're talking about. Romney says the same thing; state campaigns are saying the same thing; even the Super-Pac ads are saying it, but they never tell you what they are talking about.

I'm thinking "job killing regulations" is a dog whistle for "Obamacare" as well as minimum wage and non-discrimination laws. It's fairly clear the GOP wants us to go back to the days of sweatshops, child labor and company towns; what better way to do so than to abolish OSHA, gut EPA, let corporations pay whatever pittance the serfs will accept and put them all to work!


That one and the ads with Bibi down here in Florida are pissing us off.

The US is not meant to be Israel's errand boy and is not meant to fight its battles for them.
2012-09-27 12:49:39 PM
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When Mongoloids Opine


That is an incredibly punch-able face.
2012-09-27 12:49:04 PM
1 votes:
Found a great job last year after being laid off during the Bush crash. I was able to squeak by until the slow hire began again thanks to unemployment insurance, so now I know just how important that safety net can be. In Jan 2010, I found temporary work as a company, my hire being funded by the ARRA. While at this foundry, I learned why OSHA is also pretty farking important. So that stays.

And now even though it took a lot of hard work and some creative budgeting, I've got an excellent job in helping to get this company's facilities properly upgraded and the staff properly trained to run Aerospace work. (Which has revealed to me the importance of public education as it relates to our current manufacturing industry.)

Meanwhile, I watched the GOP purposely sabotage legislation that helped me survive and get back on my feet to the point where I could do for myself again, as I have finally come to be again.

The current GOP has lost me and probably others my age for a long time.
2012-09-27 12:43:05 PM
1 votes:
"uncertainty"

"We can't do anything but it's unclear whether we'll make $90 million or $95 million in net profits in 2013!!"

/if you can't accept uncertainty and risk, then you shouldn't be in business.
2012-09-27 12:39:36 PM
1 votes:
The Washington Examiner -- making the Washington Times seem balanced and derp-free.

/they give them out for free at the Metro stations, but I've never seen anyone actually read one.
2012-09-27 11:57:36 AM
1 votes:

EnviroDude: the guy that is going to implement trillions in tax increases to pay for bad policies isn't going to help small business at all either.


Which policies?
2012-09-27 11:44:52 AM
1 votes:
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2012-09-27 11:41:21 AM
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sammyk: Dancin_In_Anson: sammyk: I just don't see how you can point the finger at Obama

Then you aren't paying attention.

Normally your pretty smart. What does that even prove? Simply counting the pages of federal regulations doesn't prove a thing or even address the impact of those regulations. I've seen the question asked here on fark hundreds of times. Can we have an example of these so called job killing regulations?



I've run a small business for 11 years and have never once come up against a federal regulation that hurt us at all.  Or, hell, even applied to us (the sheer majority apply to companies with 50 or more employees... which I consider a medium-sized business, not small.)
 
I have a ton of friends who own retail/bar/restaurant businesses down here.  *local* regulations are what fark them up.  Again, never had one come up against a federal regulation that hurt them.
2012-09-27 11:37:29 AM
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: Yes it truly is a dark time for small business owners isn't it



It is actually.  The fact that its impossible to get credit after being farked by situations outside of our control makes it so.  But I'm not dumb enough to blame one single branch of government, and certainly not one single man (Obama).
2012-09-27 11:36:11 AM
1 votes:
But I just started up a company and we are hiring people.
2012-09-27 11:19:53 AM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: weather it by spending more


You are aware that Obama's budget includes spending cuts, right?
2012-09-27 10:51:26 AM
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I'm pretty sure the uncertainty is on who has a chance to win, and that whole EUROPE IS COLLAPSING thing going on over there. 
 
In other words, no matter who gets in, and no matter whether their policies are growth related via tax reduction, or safety net continuing under stimulus cubed, the collapse of Europe's economy is going to hurt the U.S. 
 
We're pretty much going to have to deal with more economic shiat for the next few years.  One candidate wants to weather it out by not spending as much so they can afford to meet the bills that are already obligations knowing that some will lose drastically in that move, and the other wants to weather it by spending more to continue keeping everyone afloat hoping we can sustain that and not collapse completely.
 
Neither is ideal.  But the lack of recovery so far, largely due to outside forces (non-US) but also possibly due to the uncertainty of the last several spending cycles of the government, is not helping either.
 
And the economic indicators are going every which way.   Basically, the economy sucks, but sucks less than when it was in freefall.  It has stabilized...for the most part...but isn't really strengthening.  That is your uncertainty. 
2012-09-27 10:48:33 AM
1 votes:

gameshowhost: When Mongoloids Opine


There is nothing in the world more punchable than a young conservative.
2012-09-27 10:22:13 AM
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So we should go back to the policies and leadership in place when the entire economy collapsed! That is certainly the answer to fixing it!
2012-09-27 10:17:22 AM
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The NAM spokesman went on to add "If we had to start this special interest lobbying group today, we probably wouldn't.  In this economy, some days it feels like it's not even worth getting out of bed and having delicious lunches with people in power in an attempt to sway policy.  It's getting to the point where 'are you going to finish your dessert?' because this place makes an AWESOME to-go swan."
2012-09-27 10:03:40 AM
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sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.


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