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2012-09-27 01:50:20 PM  

"This is awkward, boss. Our member surveys keep contradicting our ideological crusade." "Rig the surveys." "Genius. On it." #NFIBpolls

- Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) September 27, 2012
 
2012-09-27 01:51:11 PM  
Philip Francis Queeg: or are we expected to cut their taxes and let them pollute and then trust them to maybe consider adding a job or two?

Isn't this essentially Romney's economic plan?
 
2012-09-27 01:51:53 PM  

inner ted: czei: I've run a small business since 1999. No one I've spoken to who complains about Obama's excessive government regulation could name even a single one: its all DERP from FW FW FW emails with crazy titles like Obama Regulates Farm Dirt.

The only change I know of is a new regulation to report 1099 payments, which my accountant charges an extra $20/year or so to handle, and that's worth it if it cuts down on tax cheating.

isn't it something about not knowing tax liability on new employees? that's what my boss keeps referencing.

/he does get a lot of the FW FW FW emails though, so it's difficult to know


Even if there were some sense in which that could be true, the bigger point is: there will always be uncertainty about future policy, tax and otherwise. It's basically impossible for a Congress to force a future Congress to do or not do something.
 
2012-09-27 01:52:27 PM  
Mrtraveler01: Philip Francis Queeg: or are we expected to cut their taxes and let them pollute and then trust them to maybe consider adding a job or two?

Isn't this essentially Romney's economic plan?


That depends. Would you vote for him if it was? It can totally be that if you will. Or something else. Just vote for him.
 
2012-09-27 01:53:32 PM  
pxsteel: The CEO of HP said that the rising payrolls in China and the rise in freight cost has narrowed the gap in the cost of production. If the administration would relax a couple of the new EPA regs and be flexible on the tax rates that HP could move production back to the US.

The administration said... NO

I thought, what would you rather have
10% of 200M
or
30% of 0


HP, who is notorious for poisoning communities they have factories in, would like to relax EPA regulations, and claim that this would stop them from outsourcing to China. Because it's not like making high-end test equipment in the place that is *buying* the high-end test equipment because they need it to *make* that equipment in the first place isn't the most attractive feedback loop available. No, they are making oscilloscopes there and shipping them to America in record numbers and not the other way around...

Right.

HP? Hewlett-Packard? That's who we're going to trust with business analysis now? Hewlett "We've never been entirely sure why we make money" Packard? Hewlett "Let's get out of the tech business and compete directly with Dell" Packard? Hewlett "Let's give our CEO a 58 million dollar severance package in 2010 and say that it had nothing to do with the simultaneous 20% drop in stock value" Packard? Hewlett "We should buy tech and measurement companies and outsource to China while slowly abandoning customer service in our most profitable markets" Packard?

OK. Noted.
 
2012-09-27 01:53:57 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Corvus: [reflectionsofarationalrepublican.files.wordpress.com image 482x293]

Yes lets go back to the "business friendly" policies that were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month.

any reason you only care about private employment? people who work in the public sector need to be able to eat too.


No they don't! For every government employee fired, a gun-wielding Angel get's it's Kevlar wings!
 
2012-09-27 01:54:05 PM  

NateGrey: mainstreet62: NateGrey: ITT

Desperate Fark Cons who cant understand why their nominee Romney is going to lose.

Cry moar please.

Oh they get it. They're just in Depression mode. Anger, Denial, and Bargaining have passed.

Posted this in another thread, but its too hilarious:

Last Night I Cried


O.o

To: SandyLynn

You are experiencing a reaction to a major psy-ops campaign. Turn off the media.

Zero is going down.

14 posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:38:04 AM by Lexington Green (Journalism is dead. All news is suspect.)


Psy-ops campaign, huh? These people a certifiable. November is going to be glorious.
 
2012-09-27 01:54:54 PM  
"Owning a small business" does not automatically entitle you to revenue, profit, and success. That's your risk to take. Also civics 101.
 
2012-09-27 01:57:37 PM  

o5iiawah: Bloody William: hidden tax of federal government regulation of the economy."

It is a tax.

Every new law, rule or regulation on the books comes with a cost of compliance. Such compliance isn't value added in that the cost doesn't provide any benefit to the customer in the form of a better product. The business simply passes the cost of compliance on to the customer in the form of hire prices.

Business, how does it work?

Businesses dont pay taxes, their customers do
Businesses dont invest in new technology, their customers do
Businesses dont hire compliance officers, their customers do.


So obviously with taxes at historically low levels we should see jobs falling from the skies.
 
2012-09-27 02:01:14 PM  
Seriously can someone please tell us what these job killing regulations are?

I'm pretty sure Obama (and/or congress) would be happy to make exemptions for small businesses if it meant they would hire people. Why don't you stop crying about vague regulations and find a way to lobby for small business exemptions for job creation. I can't believe Obama would not approve of all the good political capital he'd gain from doing this.
 
2012-09-27 02:03:01 PM  
Yes, that pesky government. Why, if only it hadn't gotten in Wall Street's way, there never would have been a financial meltdown.
 
2012-09-27 02:04:33 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Yes, that pesky government. Why, if only it hadn't gotten in Wall Street's way, there never would have been a financial meltdown.


You're talking to the same folks who think that government regulations CAUSED the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
 
2012-09-27 02:06:15 PM  

I_C_Weener: One candidate wants to weather it out by not spending as much so they can afford


No. Romney plans to handwave about spending while adding to the deficit in order to expand the Navy.
 
2012-09-27 02:07:53 PM  

VJStinger: Psy-ops campaign, huh? These people a certifiable. November is going to be glorious.


lol it sure will be. One Republican will still be happy:

vscdn.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-09-27 02:07:58 PM  

gameshowhost: [content.washingtonexaminer.biz.s3.amazonaws.com image 165x190]

When Mongoloids Opine


Looks like your typical college Republican. Takes himself waaaaaaay to seriously. Thinks he's a ladies man. Believes anything the Romney campaign puts out. Full on "Team" mentality.
 
2012-09-27 02:09:17 PM  
Wait. All these assholes who took umbrage at the words, 'You didn't build that. Somebody else built that,"- they aren't hiring because of uncertainty? Almost as if they really didn't build that, but depended on somebody or something else to do it.

Say it ain't so!
 
2012-09-27 02:11:34 PM  
Well, it would seem that I have been corrected. Perhaps a few more rules, a reg here, 5 or 6 more compliance documents there is what the economy needs. God only knows that businesses don't spend enough non productive time as it is!
 
2012-09-27 02:13:01 PM  
I started and run 3 small companies (up to $6 million each); what onerous regulations?
Gee, sure would like to move my company to India or China though (lie)
 
2012-09-27 02:13:22 PM  
smitty: This is why you can't find a job

I'm pretty sure that most of us are posting from our jobs right now. The clickity-clackity sound of my typing this post probably sounds to my boss like work is getting done, and that's a win-win.

/oh shiat, he's standing behind me right now, isn't he?
 
2012-09-27 02:15:02 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Perhaps this would blow your skirt up.

I seriously doubt it though.


Uncertainty is an Obama business-killing regulation? I'd call uncertainty a product of an economy in a precarious recovery and ignorance of actual policy.

But then again, this is more than you usually add to a thread, so bravo, sir. Bravo.
 
2012-09-27 02:15:21 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Corvus: [reflectionsofarationalrepublican.files.wordpress.com image 482x293]

Yes lets go back to the "business friendly" policies that were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month.

any reason you only care about private employment? people who work in the public sector need to be able to eat too.


You should ask the states about that.
 
2012-09-27 02:15:21 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Well, it would seem that I have been corrected. Perhaps a few more rules, a reg here, 5 or 6 more compliance documents there is what the economy needs. God only knows that businesses don't spend enough non productive time as it is!


Oh, good, a biatchy whine. The internet needed more of those.
 
2012-09-27 02:16:24 PM  
You know what I'll bet is convenient? Pretending that you, because you felt like you could run a business, are an amazing, powerful, intelligent person. The only thing preventing success is that pesky government.

Hell of a scapegoat if you ask me.
 
2012-09-27 02:17:12 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Well, it would seem that I have been corrected. Perhaps a few more rules, a reg here, 5 or 6 more compliance documents there is what the economy needs. God only knows that businesses don't spend enough non productive time as it is!


I think we found subby.

Seems pretty insecure over the fact that we're not taking his submission too seriously.
 
2012-09-27 02:17:27 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: inner ted: czei: I've run a small business since 1999. No one I've spoken to who complains about Obama's excessive government regulation could name even a single one: its all DERP from FW FW FW emails with crazy titles like Obama Regulates Farm Dirt.

The only change I know of is a new regulation to report 1099 payments, which my accountant charges an extra $20/year or so to handle, and that's worth it if it cuts down on tax cheating.

isn't it something about not knowing tax liability on new employees? that's what my boss keeps referencing.

/he does get a lot of the FW FW FW emails though, so it's difficult to know

Even if there were some sense in which that could be true, the bigger point is: there will always be uncertainty about future policy, tax and otherwise. It's basically impossible for a Congress to force a future Congress to do or not do something.


so then i should vote for Rmoney cause guys like my boss will feel more certain about life right?

/seriously not trolling - if everything from the stock market to congress is all about a perceived "confidence" - then i should want the person that gives them that snuggly feeling, so they'll hire hire hire away
//have sneaking suspicion that even if Rmoney wins, there would be something that keeps them from actually doing the hiring they talk of - of course it would be the 'other sides' fault.
 
2012-09-27 02:18:10 PM  

Renart: Can a conservative explain to me why, even if I thought Obama's handling of the recession and economic crisis was poor, I should vote for the party whose policies brought about that recession and economic crisis? 'Cause I'm not getting it.


If you find one who isn't just shilling, you will get an argument that the correct response to the recession and economic crisis was austerity. Actually you might get that answer from the shills too, it's just that somehow for them austerity involves increased defense spending and defunding NPR.
 
2012-09-27 02:19:07 PM  
m.static.newsvine.com
 
2012-09-27 02:19:15 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Perhaps a few more rules, a reg here, 5 or 6 more compliance documents there is what the economy needs.


The answer is always "tax cuts for a handful of billionaires, and raising taxes on the consumers so they have skin-in-the-game". That fixes everything.

/warning: may not apply to reality
 
2012-09-27 02:19:26 PM  
55 percent of small business owners would not start company today, blame Obama

I wonder how many think Obama is a Muslim out to destroy America.

Seriously.

If I was that insane, I wouldn't start a business either.
 
2012-09-27 02:22:35 PM  

sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.


Apparently, you haven't tried to start a small business. Give it a try and see what happens when local, state and federal regulation start costing you more than you ever imagined while major corporations get a pass on everything.
 
2012-09-27 02:23:39 PM  

sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

 
2012-09-27 02:23:50 PM  

sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.


Why bother? You koolaid drinkers would simply handwave away all citation sources as being unreliable or biased, all facts as being simply misperceptions, and all examples as being isolated instances.

Well here's a whole bunch of (anecdotal) examples: I'm a degree'ed accountant with 40 years of management accounting experience. Over the last 4 years I've been able to land, mainly through accounting placement agencies (those that haven't gone out of business) about a dozen temp jobs for specific projects. The clients have all liked my work. Several of them, in fact, have asked the agency that placed me to have me come back and work on other projects. All of them - even after the one year period for having to pay placement fees has expired - have been unwilling to expand their accounting functions and hire me permanently. The reason, when I have asked, has been "the Obama economy" each and every time.

In Southern California you simply can't pay for an apartment on UI supplemented by (temporarily replaced by) the occasional 1 or 2 week / month gig. 12 months ago the finances reached the point where we were forced to become homeless and live in a camper. The work clothes stay in a Public Storage locker, where I can change if/when I get another temp gig. We shower at 24 Hr Fitness to keep clean. I get my UI and VA medical benefits; my wife gets her SS Disability, Cal Optima, and OCMH care. We are surviving.

I'll be voting for Obama, even though I fully recognize that his bad decisions and indecision have led to this situation. Two reasons: (1) I'm afraid Romney will try to "stimulate the economy" by cutting out /scaling back the UI. This, of course, is "bass acwards" - you can't force people back to work if there are no jobs. (2) I'm hoping a sweeping Dem victory in November will prompt Obama to extend the UI for another 6 months, or even a year.

I'm trapped, and now have rely on Big Government for survival. I'm now one of that 47%. If I were a conspiracy fan, I would say that Obama's plan has worked. Instead, I simply ascribe it all to stupidity.

BTW: fark you.
 
2012-09-27 02:24:36 PM  

BSABSVR: Actually you might get that answer from the shills too, it's just that somehow for them austerity involves increased defense spending and defunding NPR.


You forgot outlawing abortions. Every time a fetus is aborted, Obama raises your taxes. If the fetus is also the result of rape, Obama also lowers work requirements for welfare recipients.
 
2012-09-27 02:24:44 PM  

radiovox: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Apparently, you haven't tried to start a small business. Give it a try and see what happens when local, state and federal regulation start costing you more than you ever imagined while major corporations get a pass on everything.


Which ones did Obama do.

Your post includes no facts, no citations, and no examples of the oppressive policies.
 
2012-09-27 02:26:04 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: [i.imgur.com image 663x501]

Lack of demand/sales isn't even an option in this survey. But we should all take it Very Seriously.

Link, .pdf


Dusk-You-n-Me: Multiple NFIB surveys have found lack of demand tops business concerns, contradicting org's ideology. Solution? Stop asking about demand.- Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) September 27, 2012


No shame whatsoever.
 
2012-09-27 02:26:13 PM  
The biggest thing that is putting the squeeze on small companies right now is the tightening of the credit market. Just maintaining our line of credit over the last few years has been an extremely stressful thing. Every quarter there is an attempt to claw back our limit, and a new hoop to jump through in order to do so. If we are going to expand, we will have to figure out a way to self finance, which will take much longer to do.

If you don't think that is a damper on commerce, you have never run a business.
 
2012-09-27 02:26:24 PM  
And, radiovox, the big corporations get their "pass on everything" because of Republicans.

For example: keystone XL. Big corporation, not even American, gets to steal the land of thousands all across our nation via eminent domain despite not being a common carrier and not intending the oil to go to our country. They will cost us money, cost our environment, and steal our land, but the Republicans certainly got on board.
 
2012-09-27 02:26:54 PM  
18 links here today, and this ludicrous piece du merde gets the most posts. No wonder they greenlight this stuff.
 
2012-09-27 02:27:06 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Perhaps this would blow your skirt up.

I seriously doubt it though.


The liberal: immune to facts.
 
2012-09-27 02:27:53 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Well here's a whole bunch of (anecdotal) examples: I'm a degree'ed accountant with 40 years of management accounting experience. Over the last 4 years I've been able to land, mainly through accounting placement agencies (those that haven't gone out of business) about a dozen temp jobs for specific projects. The clients have all liked my work. Several of them, in fact, have asked the agency that placed me to have me come back and work on other projects. All of them - even after the one year period for having to pay placement fees has expired - have been unwilling to expand their accounting functions and hire me permanently. The reason, when I have asked, has been "the Obama economy" each and every time.


Sounds legit.
 
2012-09-27 02:29:16 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Infobahn: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: WI241TH: But, I did find a job. Thanks Obama!

Me too! Thanks Obama!

Me too, Thanks Obama!

I never lost my job. Thanks Obama!


Me too! Thanks Clinton! (been at the same job since 1994).
 
2012-09-27 02:29:27 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Why bother? You koolaid drinkers would simply handwave away all citation sources as being unreliable or biased, all facts as being simply misperceptions, and all examples as being isolated instances.

Well here's a whole bunch of (anecdotal) examples: I'm a degree'ed accountant with 40 years of management accounting experience. Over the last 4 years I've been able to land, mainly through accounting placement agencies (those that haven't gone out of business) about a dozen temp jobs for specific projects. The clients have all liked my work. Several of them, in fact, have asked the agency that placed me to have me come back and work on other projects. All of them - even after the one year period for having to pay placement fees has expired - have been unwilling to expand their accounting functions and hire me permanently. The reason, when I have asked, has been "the Obama economy" each and every time.

In Southern California you simply can't pay for an apartment on UI supplemented by (temporarily replaced by) the occasional 1 or 2 week / month gig. 12 months ago the finances reached the point where we were forced to become homeless and live in a camper. The work clothes stay in a Public Storage locker, where I can change if/when I get another temp gig. We shower at 24 Hr Fitness to keep clean. I get my UI and VA medical benefits; my wife gets her SS Disability, Cal Optima, and OCMH care. We are surviving.

I'll be voting for Obama, even though I fully recognize that his bad decisions and indecision have led to this situation. Two reasons: (1) I'm afraid Romney will try to "stimulate the economy" by cutting out /scaling back the UI. This, of course, is "bass acwards" - you can't force people back to work if there are no jobs. (2) I'm hopin ...


Your logic is ..um...interesting.
 
2012-09-27 02:29:28 PM  

Jackson Herring: Yes it truly is a dark time for small business owners isn't it


Here is a preview of Obamas consession speech...

Bu bu bu but bush
 
2012-09-27 02:29:44 PM  

Mrtraveler01: The Dog Ate My Homework: Yes, that pesky government. Why, if only it hadn't gotten in Wall Street's way, there never would have been a financial meltdown.

You're talking to the same folks who think that government regulations CAUSED the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.


The Republican candidate in my Congressional district in 2010 (NC-13) publicly theorized that Obama might have been behind said oil spill, in order to further his radical environmentalist agenda.

/soundly defeated, thank gods
//Poe's Law is now apparently an actual law of nature
 
2012-09-27 02:30:26 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The reason, when I have asked, has been "the Obama economy" each and every time.


Your biggest problem is that you believe them. As most of the other posts in this thread show, no one can point to the job-murdering regulations that are strangling business, but plenty of just plain bad business decisions. The only reason these people blame Obama is because Fox News told them to. By every measure our economy has improved since the 2008 crash. If demand is still sluggish, it's because we bailed out corporations instead of consumers and outsourcing is still rewarded.
 
2012-09-27 02:30:36 PM  

radiovox: Apparently, you haven't tried to start a small business. Give it a try and see what happens when local, state and federal regulation start costing you more than you ever imagined while major corporations get a pass on everything.


No shiat.

After 4 years, when the thing finally started making money, my Dad said " If I had known how much in taxes and fees were going to take when I started this, I probably would have kept working for my old company. If you fail, you are on your own but as soon as you make a dollar there is a guy with his hand out from the government. It's almost not worth it."
 
2012-09-27 02:30:36 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dancin_In_Anson: sammyk: This will probably get greened so I'll save you the trouble.

Blah blah blah, uncetainty, blah derp blah, over regulation, herpaderp, Obama bad, derp derp derp.

No citations, no facts, no examples of oppressive policy.

Perhaps this would blow your skirt up.

I seriously doubt it though.

The liberal: immune to facts.


snobbing.files.wordpress.com

/Meanwhile conservatives are altering polls to reflect their alternate reality
 
2012-09-27 02:31:44 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Infobahn: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: WI241TH: But, I did find a job. Thanks Obama!

Me too! Thanks Obama!

Me too, Thanks Obama!

I never lost my job. Thanks Obama!


When the Solyndra closed my wife got run over by an Escalade loaded down with gold fleeing the plant.

Thanks Obama!
 
2012-09-27 02:31:47 PM  
You know, every single person I know who has started a small business and biatched about how it was the government's fault they weren't doing well had a bad business. A friend who owned a bookstore, and who simply never sold very many books? Government's fault. The friend who started the mobile apps company (mentioned in the Android thread)? Without going into specifics, no one used the app. Bar owner? Put the bar in a residential area with a bunch of old people, no customers.

So yeah, forgive me if I don't think that "don't dump toxic waste in people's drinking water" and "you actually have to pay your employees what you say you're going to pay them" is "burdensome."

The only government regulations that could potentially be burdensome are getting documentation for your workers, to make sure they're not illegal immigrants - I'm sure the "conservatives" on here are fine with those regulations. Also, the problem in the United States that corporations, to be competitive in the jobs market, have to offer health insurance is a problem - one that would be solved by universal health care (another issue that conservatives don't seem to understand).
 
2012-09-27 02:32:01 PM  

radiovox: Apparently, you haven't tried to start a small business.


No, I haven't, but I know two immediate family members who did. They're both drunken dullards, neither has any college education and one dropped out of high school. What, specifically, should I ask them? It's a garage so they have plenty of EPA regulations they're obligated to follow, if that helps. They've been going for 8 years now. 

That's what gets me about you whiny morons. If my two idiot family members who spend a good 1/3 of the week slammed on liquor and cheap beer can manage to start and run a business capable of supporting itself and a family of four, why can't you? How much dumber are you than these two 'tards? Because they're pretty farkin' 'tarded.
 
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