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2012-09-27 10:15:33 AM
8 votes:
"Free enterprise," he said, "has done more to bless humanity than any other economic system not only because it is the only system that creates a prosperous middle class, but also because it is the only system where the individual enjoys the freedom to guide and build his or her own life. Free enterprise cannot only make us better off financially, it can make us better people."

yes, that's certainly true...but the Republicans don't believe in free enterprise nor do any of their stated policies encourage economic growth. In fact, the GOP is also not too fond of 'freedom', given their war on women and their authoritarian support of an insane/out of control war on drugs. then there's the GOP social agenda, which is based on a repulsive theology that says god makes people poor and that they should STAY poor because it's 'god's will' that they should remain in poverty.

i'm sorry but...I cannot believe the Republicans are in any way 'moral'. they've started wars, lie constantly, and their leadership is filled with people who've had multiple divorces, drug problems, and laundry list of various/sundry quasi-criminal activities. they do no live morally pure lives.
2012-09-27 09:58:47 AM
6 votes:
graphics8.nytimes.com

I'm glad Republicans are so concerned NOW about what is morally right and wrong.
2012-09-27 10:17:50 AM
5 votes:
Give a man a fish, he's on welfare and is lazy. Teach a man to fish, he better be able to farking pay you for that lesson or he should be in debt for decades after he tries to start fishing.
2012-09-27 12:00:07 PM
4 votes:

Arkanaut: Diogenes: THE EIGHT BEATITUDES OF JESUS

"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Gospel of St. Matthew 5:3-10

What's so special about them?


I didn't see chickenhawk warmongers, robber barons, tax cheats, the wealthy, military contractors, corporate welfare recipients, and the selfish on that list.

But snark aside, American Christians have strayed from the roots. So far that they're working for the other side. Wealth and success are considered de facto evidence of God's grace - because the wealthy and successful are His chosen. Therefore we should defer to their superiority in all things. The care for the less fortunate will trickle down.

That is a dangerous idea, and leads to the forgiveness of evil and sin, as we have known them for centuries.

Obama is not advocating stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. He's advocating fairness in a system that now favors a very narrow segment of the country. That is moral, and in keeping with both Christianity and American egalitarianism.
2012-09-27 11:45:15 AM
4 votes:

Dr Dreidel: ps69: Do people really believe democrats want to get rid of free enterprise, rather than imposing some minimal regulations on its conduct and providing a minimal social safety net for those that fall through the cracks?

Regardless of whether we, the voters, believe it, they, the politicians use the line of attack, and then get elected. It may be a post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy, but if they think it works, and by all accounts it LOOKS like it works...

And yes, I thought the most galling part of Mitt's accidental honesty wasn't the "47%" line, it was "these gorram leeches think they're ENTITLED to food! Can you farking believe this shiat? FOOD! These people think a government created to provide, generally, for the common welfare, owes them food?! Christ, y'all better elect me; I'm the only one who'll show these parasites their rightful place."


The acrid reference to "food" emphasized as it dripping out of Mitt's pampered little mouth made my stomach turn way more than the victims line. Because the gall of those people wanting food. Just imagine this wealthy society where people ride dancing horses and have elevators for their cars providing food to hungry people. Food.

What is their alternative? They would rather thousands of human beings go hungry than feed one hungry person who is capable of working but doesn't? I don't think I could ever vote for a republican again so long as I live.
2012-09-27 12:03:20 PM
3 votes:

theknuckler_33: Mike_LowELL: theknuckler_33: Visionary? Really? "Romney needs to win the argument that we need to get more people back to work". That's about as visionary as saying you'll get wet if you go out in the rain without an umbrella/rain coat.

It is really a shame that listening to shallow platitudes serve as valid points of arguments for conservatives. There wasn't one damned thing of substance in TFA and it is embarrassing for you to consider it 'visionary'.

How is it not visionary? I've been waiting nearly thirty years for a President to try lowering taxes and get the government out of my life. It's a joke. It is impossible to get elected in this country if you run on that platform.

How damned low do you want them to go? Put a farking number on it. And state exactly what you mean by "get the government out of my life". State policy positions specifically. That shiat you just wrote isn't visionary, it is farking childish.


theknuckler_33, please allow me to introduce you to Mike_LowELL. He is well known around here for his ability to turn absurdity into an art form. He has an uncanny talent for taking a ridiculous position, and then pushing it to points beyond human comprehension, while still making it sound eerily like something the stupidest person you know might actually say. He's not a troll. He's a performance artist. And a bit of a treasure.
2012-09-27 10:39:29 AM
3 votes:

sprawl15: "On the day of his protest, witnesses say that an officer slapped Bouazizi and he cried out: 'Why are you doing this to me? I'm a simple person, and I just want to work.'"

"I just want to work," Romney repeated.

...

More than 23 million Americans understand the statement, "I just want to work."


Yes, 23 million Americans are out of work because OBAMA wouldn't let them set up fruit stands, not because bankers took all their money and nobody can afford any fruit.
2012-09-27 10:36:46 AM
3 votes:
There's a commercial where Romney says that he wants people to get good, high-paying jobs.

No he doesn't. He wants people to work below current minimum wage without regulations to protect their health and welfare, and if they will not, he wants the freedom to ship all of their jobs to China. That is the only way that the truly virtuous, the Job-Creators, can receive their just deserts.
2012-09-27 10:21:13 AM
3 votes:
These are the guys who get their morals from the great prophet Ayn Rand, right?
2012-09-27 12:03:03 PM
2 votes:
What is a three-way cluster fark?
imageshack.us
A moral argument advanced by a Gingrich, based on a quote from Margaret Thatcher, and published in Town Hall.
2012-09-27 11:06:00 AM
2 votes:
"The system I fantasize Obama championing is morally wrong because I imagine it would have lots of bad effects."
2012-09-27 10:29:08 AM
2 votes:
And Republicans, is the US government an alien entity set down to lord over us, or is it government of the people, for the people, by the people?
2012-09-27 10:28:10 AM
2 votes:
Because of some aphorism that has-been Margaret Thatcher said? F*ck's sake, even SHE knew better than to fight single-payer healthcare.
2012-09-27 10:20:43 AM
2 votes:
Yes. Being a Center-Right moderate is morally wrong.

/This is what short bus morons actually believe.
2012-09-27 03:38:31 PM
1 votes:
The headline says the system Obama is championing is wrong, but then the article talks about socialism.
2012-09-27 12:04:27 PM
1 votes:
2012-09-27 11:49:44 AM
1 votes:

Corvus: So you know who would be "morally wrong" based on what this article says?

[newcreationperson.files.wordpress.com image 414x550]

Deut. 15:7. If there is a poor man among you, one of your brothers, in any of the towns of the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand to your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks.

Deut. 26:12. When you have finished paying the complete tithe of your increase in the third year, the year of tithing, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the stranger, to the orphan and the widow, that they may eat in your towns, and be satisfied.

Lev. 19:19ff. Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, neither shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God.

Prov. 31:8ff. [Commandment to kings.] Open your mouth for the dumb, for the rights of all the unfortunate. Open your mouth, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the afflicted and needy.

Is. 58:66ff. Is this not the fast which I choose, to loosen the bonds of wickedness, to undo the bands of the yoke, and to let the oppressed go free, and break every yoke? Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry, and bring the homeless poor into the house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh?

Jer. 22:3. Do justice and righteousness, and deliver the one who has been robbed from the power of his oppressor. Also do not mistreat or do violence to the stranger, the orphan, or the widow; and do not shed innocent blood in this place.

Luke 12:33. "Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven ...


You've just made my favorite list. I'm also going to plagiarize this list to fark with my conservative relatives who post republican Jesus quotes on their facebook all day long.
2012-09-27 11:48:49 AM
1 votes:
Dear Republicans,

upload.wikimedia.org

This is not Jesus Christ.

This is:

www.atotheword.com

Mt. 19:20ff. The young man said to Him, "All these commands I have kept; what am I still lacking?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."



Luke 14:12-14. "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return, and repayment come to you. But when you give a reception, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, since they do not have the means to repay you; for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."


Ayn Rands philosophy is what this guy used to form the Church of Satan:

educate-yourself.lege.net

It's a bit different.
2012-09-27 11:43:47 AM
1 votes:
Mike_LowELL
I've been waiting nearly thirty years for a President to try lowering taxes and get the government out of my life. It's a joke. It is impossible to get elected in this country if you run on that platform.

If you want the government "out of your life," move to goddamned desert island. Government and taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society.
2012-09-27 11:43:04 AM
1 votes:
So you know who would be "morally wrong" based on what this article says?

newcreationperson.files.wordpress.com

Deut. 15:7. If there is a poor man among you, one of your brothers, in any of the towns of the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand to your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks.

Deut. 26:12. When you have finished paying the complete tithe of your increase in the third year, the year of tithing, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the stranger, to the orphan and the widow, that they may eat in your towns, and be satisfied.

Lev. 19:19ff. Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, neither shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God.

Prov. 31:8ff. [Commandment to kings.] Open your mouth for the dumb, for the rights of all the unfortunate. Open your mouth, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the afflicted and needy.

Is. 58:66ff. Is this not the fast which I choose, to loosen the bonds of wickedness, to undo the bands of the yoke, and to let the oppressed go free, and break every yoke? Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry, and bring the homeless poor into the house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh?

Jer. 22:3. Do justice and righteousness, and deliver the one who has been robbed from the power of his oppressor. Also do not mistreat or do violence to the stranger, the orphan, or the widow; and do not shed innocent blood in this place.

Luke 12:33. "Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys."

Luke 3:11. And [John the Baptist] would answer and say to them, "Let the man with two tunics share with him who has none, and let him who has food do likewise."

Mt. 5:42. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

Prov. 22:9 He who is generous will be blessed, for he gives some of his food to the poor.

Jer. 22:16 "Did not your father eat and drink, and do justice and righteousness? Then it was well with him. He pled the cause of the afflicted and needy; then it was well. Is that not what it means to know Me?" declares the LORD.

Deut. 15:10. You shall give generously to [your poor brother], and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings.

Prov. 19:17. He who is gracious to a poor man lends to the LORD, and He will repay him for his good deed.

Jer. 7:5-7. "For, if you truly amend your ways and your deeds, if you truly practice justice between a man and his neighbor, if you do not oppress the alien, the orphan, and the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place, nor walk after other gods to your own ruin, then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers forever and ever."

Is. 58:10. "And if you give yourself to the hungry, and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then your light will rise in darkness, and your gloom will become like midday. And the LORD will continually guide you, and satisfy your desire in scorched places, and give strength to your bones; and you will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water whose waters do not fail."

Luke 14:12-14. "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return, and repayment come to you. But when you give a reception, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, since they do not have the means to repay you; for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

Luke 12:44. "Sell your possessions and give alms; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Mt. 19:20ff. The young man said to Him, "All these commands I have kept; what am I still lacking?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
2012-09-27 11:31:01 AM
1 votes:
If low taxes = more jobs, then we should be absolutely SWIMMING in jobs right now, since we've got the lowest tax rates on the rich since WWII. So, where are the jerbs, rich people? China, Taiwan, and all the other sweat shop countries, since you had to have even MORE profits, you greedy farks. If you think for one minute that the more intelligent among us aren't wise to your bullshiat, you're sorely mistaken. Enjoy your obscurity.

GOP = Greedy Old Pricks.
2012-09-27 11:14:23 AM
1 votes:
So we should just throw away the US Post Office, education, fire departments while we're at it? Those pesky public libraries should be shut down? All the National Parks closed?

Just wondering.
2012-09-27 11:06:40 AM
1 votes:
Do people really believe democrats want to get rid of free enterprise, rather than imposing some minimal regulations on its conduct and providing a minimal social safety net for those that fall through the cracks? From the disdainful way Mitt discusses people who get "food," "housing," and "health care" I guess either one is immoral in their world, because fark, you think you deserve to eat just for showing up? You people with your hunger and want of shelter.
2012-09-27 11:03:33 AM
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: The only moral solution is to let the poors die in the street. After all, the current high unemployment rate is only a result of lazy people wanting to stay home and nibble at the government teat. Maybe pinch it a little.


"..Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

I don't know what made me think of that last line in particular.
2012-09-27 11:01:57 AM
1 votes:

HoboCop: Basically, government could be removed and people would do the right things because of Jesus. Got it.


Except we still need the police and the military and the corporate law base (the parts that enable and empower corporations, that is) and the embargo against Cuba and the municipal zoning laws that keep hippies off my lawn and...
2012-09-27 10:53:41 AM
1 votes:
They take money and control away from people and give them to government bureaucrats, who then decide what should be done.

So I take it Clownhall is now championing anarchism. Oh, wait, they're not? They're just whining about extremely moderate liberal policies that serve to ever-so-slightly and not particularly effectively counterbalance the inherent imbalances and injustices in capitalism?

Well, you're right, Clownhall. It is morally wrong. The problem is that the reason it's morally wrong is that capitalism is wrong and the Democrats fight very hard to preserve it. Beam in your own eye, you cocks.
2012-09-27 10:43:35 AM
1 votes:
Only those without morals would be the ones to hide behind them.
2012-09-27 10:40:59 AM
1 votes:

Pants full of macaroni!!: These are the guys who get their morals from the great ATHEIST RUSSIAN WELFARE COLLECTING-prophet Ayn Rand, right?

2012-09-27 10:35:08 AM
1 votes:
TFA called taxes "socialist". That right there is why all of mainstream Republican "thought" is utterly without merit, now and forever.

"Socialist"? Please. By mainstream Republican standards (as exemplified by TownHall, Free Republic, American Thinker, StormFront, Breitbart, Fox News, et al), the only country in the world that is NOT socialist is the Republican paradise of Somalia.
2012-09-27 10:35:04 AM
1 votes:
The opening paragraph literally reads like it was written by a 9th grader after they actually did an outline.

I-Obama policy bad
a- bad morally
b- socialist-define socialism
c socialism makes people lazy

This turns into

The Obama administration's policies are bad. Bad in the sense that the policies are morally corrupting. They take money and control away from people and give them to government bureaucrats, who then decide what should be done. The policies encourage people to be less responsible personally and to rely more on the government.

It isn't enough her opinions are built on a foundation of derp and bad logic, she can't even drag herself to write them down better than some 'How I Spent my Summer Vacation Hating Socialism' type thing? It wasn't enough for the author to reveal the average stupidity of her target audience with this crap ,but her own stupidity as well. Even if one chooses to write stupid stuff, they should still try to write it well. I just did!
2012-09-27 10:33:12 AM
1 votes:
The only moral solution is to let the poors die in the street. After all, the current high unemployment rate is only a result of lazy people wanting to stay home and nibble at the government teat. Maybe pinch it a little.
2012-09-27 10:32:37 AM
1 votes:
"In order to win the vote in November, we must first win the argument. America works best when Americans are working. The way to get more Americans to work is to promote freedom, ingenuity and free enterprise. While government programs and subsidies might provide temporary relief, the only proven way to long-term prosperity is to create more jobs, thereby allowing people to lift themselves up, providing not only their monetary needs, but also dignity of purpose."

So are people just going to create their own jobs, or will they have those jobs given to them by some sort of job-creator, someone else like a rich man or the government?
2012-09-27 10:28:38 AM
1 votes:
Jackie Gingrich?

Isn't the daughter from Newt's first marriage who Newt used to try to shut up his second wife when she talked trash about his third wife?

And what her point?

The morality argument must be made?

Oh, I quite agree.

All politics is morality at the end of the day and the GOP simply have no defense for their rampant immorality.

This "fark over the poor and middle class to further enrich the 1%" thing they have going on is the very antithesis of Christianity's Golden Rule.

The GOP have been going morally bankrupt for decades now. 

More people need to note this fact.
2012-09-27 10:28:25 AM
1 votes:
Yes, I can see how attempting to ensure all Americans have adequate health care is completely immoral, and I don't understand how anyone can even think that Jesus would stand for such a thing! Wanting to help your fellow people in your society to be healthy and not die horrible agonizing death is surely something that will have you sent straight to hell!

Same with any program that might help the poor. How could you even live with yourself for such immoral thoughts!

Ensuring education is available for your people? Well, that's just for liberal satanists! Education makes you question things...like religious dogma...that is VERY immoral.

What is wrong with you people!?
2012-09-27 10:27:38 AM
1 votes:
The Obama administration's policies are bad.


Go on......
2012-09-27 10:25:23 AM
1 votes:
What an immoral system looks like:

4.bp.blogspot.com
2012-09-27 10:25:21 AM
1 votes:
According to this, Slavery is morally acceptable as long as the government isn't involved with the transaction
2012-09-27 10:24:27 AM
1 votes:

Pants full of macaroni!!: These are the guys who get their morals from the great prophet Ayn Rand, right?


weirdly enough, yes. And they also state that there is no moral contradiction between Jesus Christ and the beliefs of Ayn Rand.

go ahead and try to make sense of that. I double dog dare you.
2012-09-27 10:21:02 AM
1 votes:

Save yourself the click:

The Obama administration's policies are bad. Bad in the sense that the policies are morally corrupting. They take money and control away from people and give them to government bureaucrats, who then decide what should be done. The policies encourage people to be less responsible personally and to rely more on the government.

Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher argued that "socialism itself -- in all its incarnations, wherever and however it was applied -- was morally corrupting," Claire Berlinski wrote in "There Is No Alternative: Why Margaret Thatcher Matters" (Basic Books, 2008). "Socialism turned good citizens into bad ones; it turned strong nations into weak ones; it promoted vice and discouraged virtue ... transformed formerly hardworking and self-reliant men and women into whining, weak and flabby loafers."

Sound familiar?

Republicans are currently debating the surface arguments about the Obama administration's programs -- they cost too much, they are not paid for and there is too much government intervention.

The core of the matter is the same today as it was in Great Britain in the 1970s.

The system President Obama is championing is morally wrong.

In order to win in November, Republican nominee Mitt Romney must win the argument, and thereby win the vote.

The argument is that the system Obama is promoting is bad and that it creates a weak society. Romney needs to articulate what it is to be an American; why we must defend America's core values; why they are good values.

Romney's speech this week at the Clinton Global Initiative reverberated with these themes.

He talked about "the incomparable dignity of work."

"Free enterprise," he said, "has done more to bless humanity than any other economic system not only because it is the only system that creates a prosperous middle class, but also because it is the only system where the individual enjoys the freedom to guide and build his or her own life. Free enterprise cannot only make us better off financially, it can make us better people."

Romney recounted the story of Muhammed Bouazizi of Tunisia. "He was just 26 years old. He had provided for his family since he was a young boy. He worked a small fruit stand, selling to passers-by. The regular harassment by corrupt bureaucrats was elevated one day when they took crates of his fruit and his weighing scales away from him.

"On the day of his protest, witnesses say that an officer slapped Bouazizi and he cried out: 'Why are you doing this to me? I'm a simple person, and I just want to work.'"

"I just want to work," Romney repeated.

"Work. That must be at the heart of our effort to help people build economies that can create jobs for people, young and old alike. Work builds self-esteem," he continued. "It transforms minds from fantasy and fanaticism to reality and grounding. Work will not long tolerate corruption nor quietly endure the brazen theft by government of the product of hardworking men and women."

He linked free enterprise to freedom. "The most successful countries shared something in common," he said. "They were the freest. They protected the rights of the individual. They enforced the rule of law. And they encouraged free enterprise. They understood that economic freedom is the only force in history that has consistently lifted people out of poverty -- and kept people out of poverty."

The next step is for Romney to lay out this argument not only for other countries, but for our own. It works here as well as abroad. There are 12.5 million unemployed Americans; 8 million more are working part-time when they want to work full time; 2.6 million people are so discouraged that they have given up looking for work and are no longer counted as unemployed.

More than 23 million Americans understand the statement, "I just want to work."

These people and those around them understand that there is great dignity in work, and want to work -- but cannot find a job.

In order to win the vote in November, we must first win the argument. America works best when Americans are working. The way to get more Americans to work is to promote freedom, ingenuity and free enterprise. While government programs and subsidies might provide temporary relief, the only proven way to long-term prosperity is to create more jobs, thereby allowing people to lift themselves up, providing not only their monetary needs, but also dignity of purpose.

-Jackie Gingrich Cushman
2012-09-27 10:08:13 AM
1 votes:
Jackie Gingrich Cushman

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