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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Dark skinned and bearded person wearing electronic devices tucked into a loose outer garment while on his way to a screening of "Batman" can't understand why people might have thought him a terrorist   (wap.ajc.com) divider line 108
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2012-09-27 11:48:55 AM
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Middle Eastern man approximately 35 years of age, beard, loose clothes, performing strange actions.

"Someone call DHS we got alive one here!"
 
2012-09-27 11:49:47 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So dark skinned and bearded = "looking like a terrorist"?? Wtf


Meh, there once was a prominent leader from the past that was afraid of all people that weren't blue eyed and blonde...
 
2012-09-27 11:49:59 AM
Of course nobody in this thread is jumping to conclusions.

Good job.
 
2012-09-27 11:53:43 AM

Moosecakes: They're CHARGING him? Are you f'ing kidding me?


No, not at all.. with all that shiat, the batteries were almost dead and he deserved it!
 
2012-09-27 11:58:43 AM
Overzealous intern. Non-story.
 
2012-09-27 12:00:01 PM

Tommy Moo: I'm guessing there had to be more to it than that. If every Arab walking around in public with a cell phone were getting arrested, we'd never hear the end of it.


Are you kidding. Look at the rate at which this sort of thing is happening. LOOK AT IT! In a country of 300,000,000 people, you hear about this kind of thing every once in a while. And that's a staggering figure. It's all madness everywhere ALL THE TIME! Everyone and everybody is running around pissing themselves with fear, filling their pants with the feces of fear, ripping their clothes, arming themselves to the teeth, putting up bobbed wire perimeters with machine gun towers and passing immigration laws. Besides the media told me it was a big problem so, there's that.
 
2012-09-27 12:04:58 PM
This is reasonable if it goes no further.

Picking up a guy for wandering around with unidentifiable wired shiat all over his body, seeing WTF is up with him? OK, that's cool. Responding to weird shiat to ascertain whether it's dangerous or not is, in fact, the cops' job, and it's good that they're doing it. I've been picked up for less and don't hold a grudge about it.

Holding the guy and getting a preliminary warrant over the unidentifiable stuff? A bit borderline, but I can accept the idea that the cops might not have the expertise to identify the random shiat and understand whether it's simply wired together within device specs or something more suspicious. They need time to call in someone that can look at the stuff and tell what's up, I can understand being cautious. Domestic terrorists are, after all, a thing, and this guy's pretty white and overweight/nerdy-looking so he does fit the general profile. Fine.

Actually pressing the charges to court and tacking on a 'fake device' charge: No. Not yours. fark off. If they don't discontinue this bullshiat I'm going to actively hope the city gets sued into bankruptcy. That is completely unacceptable, you're not allowed to actually try people and convict them of an infraction for looking weird to you. Again, fark off.
 
2012-09-27 12:05:54 PM
"phone, MP3 player and GPS unit"

LOL yeah right. He did this intentionally to provoke attention.
 
2012-09-27 12:08:24 PM

Jim_Callahan: This is reasonable if it goes no further.


It always goes further.
 
2012-09-27 12:08:49 PM

Begoggle: "phone, MP3 player and GPS unit"

LOL yeah right. He did this intentionally to provoke attention.


Could just be too poor to afford a proper phone that has an MP3 player and GPS in the software already. I know that the mic setup on my computer has so many random converters wired together (because I'm too cheap to spring for a USP mic) that sometimes I'm worried it's a bomb.
 
2012-09-27 12:09:44 PM

TonnageVT: As long as it wasn't a white guy, I'm alright with it. White guys with gun scare me.


BOO!
 
2012-09-27 12:12:18 PM

andyofne: Let's not link to the video of the same story....

"One would put together and reasonably assume that he is here to commit some heinous crime... deadly crime."

-Cpl. Ed Ritter

Yes, it's completely reasonable to assume someone is openly carrying a deadly electronic explosive and/or chemical warfare device and that a Dekalb county shopping mall will be ground zero for this heinous crime.

You know what's easier to assume? Your town is full of ignorant, paranoid jackasses. People like you are the reason I can't wear my leather trench coat anywhere.
 
2012-09-27 12:16:17 PM

Mugato: Jim_Callahan: This is reasonable if it goes no further.

It always goes further.


Like I said, I've been picked up for less (for instance, there are certain areas where you're apparently assumed a suicide risk if you're even there, if you're a climber that can get you in a good deal of trouble). Usually the worst that you'll get is 24 hours hold while the cops verify you're not actually dangerous, which, again, is just them doing their job.

I mean, I generally accord the police no greater respect than any other professional, but there's no point in giving them less either. Like in every profession that magical combination of idiocy, incompetence, and lack of oversight that results in stuff like in TFA is relatively uncommon.
 
2012-09-27 12:17:43 PM
Man bombs dollar cinema, nothing of importance lost
 
2012-09-27 12:19:32 PM

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Warrener: WTF?

Who carries around a separate MP3 player and GPS unit when they've already got a phone on them?

That sounds pretty damned suspicious to me.

What if it wasn't a smart phone?


Then he probably lives in a cave.

/more evidence
//looks like a harmless comic douche
 
2012-09-27 12:21:01 PM

s1ugg0: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 524x413]

Middle Eastern man approximately 35 years of age, beard, loose clothes, performing strange actions.

"Someone call DHS we got alive one here!"


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Interfering with commerce? Obviously a terrorist. Let's make a public example of him. He's homeless and likes to rant at people, nobody will miss him.
 
2012-09-27 12:22:24 PM

Jim_Callahan: Usually the worst that you'll get is 24 hours hold while the cops verify you're not actually dangerous, which, again, is just them doing their job.


Holding someone for 24 hours without charging them with anything and no probable cause might be technically legal but it's not doing their job. That's gestapo shiat right there and the fact that it's considered normal is farked up.
 
2012-09-27 12:23:33 PM

Jim_Callahan:
I mean, I generally accord the police no greater respect than any other professional, but there's no point in giving them less either. Like in every profession that magical combination of idiocy, incompetence, and lack of oversight that results in stuff like in TFA is relatively uncommon.


Difference is that incompetence, negligence and incapability to do one's job in other professions will not necessarily leave a permanent stain on someone's life. Doctors, lawyers and cops on the other hand.....
 
2012-09-27 12:25:21 PM
Jim_Callahan: , but there's no point in giving them less either....

Yes, there is. When they detain, arrest and charge a person for doing nothing more than walking with perfectly legal and non-threatening items on their person.

If there was More To The Story® the police would be sure to tell us all about it to make their position more favorable.

My guess is he got lippy with them and was basically charged with Contempt Of Cop.
 
2012-09-27 12:29:17 PM

Mr. Toadcheese: s1ugg0: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 524x413]

Middle Eastern man approximately 35 years of age, beard, loose clothes, performing strange actions.

"Someone call DHS we got alive one here!"

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Interfering with commerce? Obviously a terrorist. Let's make a public example of him. He's homeless and likes to rant at people, nobody will miss him.


They should have crucified him.
 
2012-09-27 12:29:21 PM

SageC: andyofne: Let's not link to the video of the same story....

"One would put together and reasonably assume that he is here to commit some heinous crime... deadly crime." -Cpl. Ed Ritter

Yes, it's completely reasonable to assume someone is openly carrying a deadly electronic explosive and/or chemical warfare device and that a Dekalb county shopping mall will be ground zero for this heinous crime.

You know what's easier to assume? Your town is full of ignorant, paranoid jackasses. People like you are the reason I can't wear my leather trench coat anywhere.


You never should have worn it to begin with. Not because I think you are up to anything, just because it makes you look like a jackass.
 
2012-09-27 12:33:05 PM

Calmamity: Uhh, submitter, he had a phone, a GPS and an MP3 player. Just like you, most likely.

Dude got arrested for being brown and bearded, plain and simple, and now the cops are charging with some trumped up bullsh*t.


Yeah, I was willing to say maybe the guy was just being dumb, like the dad and the kid with the rocket launcher yesterday.

Then I saw he was wearing those seldom-seen devices, a cell-phone and an MP3. Unless everyone carrying a cell phone is to be summarily arrested as "reasonably assumed" to be committing some heinous crime, it's safe to say the gut reaction was a reasonable "OMFG A MOOSLIMB HE'S HERE TO KILL US ALL!!!"
 
2012-09-27 12:34:17 PM
The lesson from this story:

STOP BEING BROWN!!!
 
2012-09-27 12:39:32 PM
I think charging him is simply a way to intimidate him. With that being said, they should drop it for some community service and tell him to move out of his parents basement, get a job, and don't do anything stupid like that again.
 
2012-09-27 12:43:50 PM

destrip: Walking while Middle Eastern is the new driving while black.


JackieRabbit: Gwinnett is an ethnically diverse area, with a sizable Middle Eastern community.


2words1finger: The lesson from this story:

STOP BEING BROWN!!!


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Am I the first to notice he's Spanish, not Ay-rab?

/Then again
//Genetic history of Spain yadda yadda
 
2012-09-27 12:51:47 PM

gameshowhost: ""In the day of age that we're in today, with terrorist activity, and dressing like one, one would assume that you are one," Cpl. Ed Ritter with Gwinnett police told Channel 2."

*facepalm*


What? It's just like how women wearing short skirts while walking in dark alleys are just asking to be raped. If you don't want to be raped, don't dress like a hooker. Same idea applies.
 
2012-09-27 12:56:55 PM
Rule number 1: Try your very best to not be black or hispanic
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2012-09-27 12:57:48 PM

ideamaster: I think charging him is simply a way to intimidate him. With that being said, they should drop it for some community service and tell him to move out of his parents basement, get a job, and don't do anything stupid like that again.


What?
 
2012-09-27 12:58:47 PM

IRQ12: Jim_Callahan: , but there's no point in giving them less either....

Yes, there is. When they detain, arrest and charge a person for doing nothing more than walking with perfectly legal and non-threatening items on their person.


I'm not saying that the stuff in TFA is excusable, I'm just saying that "this is what always happens" is maybe not giving the cops enough credit. 99.999% of the time they actually do their jobs properly, and the remaining .001%, while indicative that the individuals involved should probably fired, are at least generally resolvable by the court system.

I'm much more forgiving about this than I would be if they, say, shot him instead of just holding him for a bit. Filing an actual charge when he hasn't actually done anything illegal is inexcusably unprofessional, but it's not irreversible and probably won't even result in a conviction. Even if he opts for the no-court-costs public defender this is sort of "no jury in the world" territory.

Mugato: Holding someone for 24 hours without charging them with anything and no probable cause might be technically legal but it's not doing their job.


They had probable cause. The dude was wandering around covered in wires and shiat, and behaving suspiciously enough that the cops got tipped.

If they were just hanging out having a donut and randomly decided to hassle some dude over his CB radio, sure, but I'm willing to buy the probable cause on this one. Generally judges seem to feel the same way when the cops are actually called in on a tip, with some exceptions.

And the hold is more or less justified in that the cops lack expertise to actually identify a dangerous device and needed to call in a third-party consult. Again, it's the actually filing a charge against the guy that puts this in Boss Hogg territory rather than the rest of it. That requires an incompetent cop, and incompetent supervisor, and an incompetent judge (for the warrant/accepting the charge), plus an incompetent prosecutor (for not just laughing and saying "really? you're serious?"). That's a lot of links in the chain of fail, there.
 
2012-09-27 01:00:22 PM
Is the guy still living in the early 1990's??

"The devices includes a phone, MP3 player and GPS unit, his attorney said. "

Um, my almost two year old Smart Phone can do all of that in one device.
 
2012-09-27 01:04:10 PM

China White Tea: ideamaster: I think charging him is simply a way to intimidate him. With that being said, they should drop it for some community service and tell him to move out of his parents basement, get a job, and don't do anything stupid like that again.

What?


You know, dressing in dark clothing and looking brown and bearded.
 
2012-09-27 01:15:41 PM

Jim_Callahan:
...
I'm much more forgiving about this than I would be if they, say, shot him instead of just holding him for a bit.
...


Well it's a good thing he didn't "go for something".

The thing is that this silly security theater has gotten out of control, and authority types love it because they have the public right where they want them: scared sh*tless of each other (for statistically no reason) while the police get away with horrible stuff against them every day. Yes, an officer depriving a citizen of their rights should be considered an assault on all of our freedoms unless they are deal with swiftly and harshly.
 
2012-09-27 01:16:59 PM

s1ugg0: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 524x413]

Middle Eastern man approximately 35 years of age, beard, loose clothes, performing strange actions.

"Someone call DHS we got alive one here!"


To be fair, you should post a pic of Muhammad also. Unless you are afraid of irrational behavior and outrage.
 
2012-09-27 01:20:28 PM

Jim_Callahan: This is reasonable if it goes no further.

Picking up a guy for wandering around with unidentifiable wired shiat all over his body, seeing WTF is up with him? OK, that's cool. Responding to weird shiat to ascertain whether it's dangerous or not is, in fact, the cops' job, and it's good that they're doing it. I've been picked up for less and don't hold a grudge about it.


That's great logic if terrorists had a specific appearance. Problem is they don't. Let's look at some famous U.S. terrorists to see if the fine officers of the Gwinnett police force would have detected them in "this day and age":

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mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com

I don't have pictures of the Sept 11 hijackers but I doubt they boarded the planes wearing black hoodies with random wires sticking out carrying packs of C4.

So, based on the pictures above, terrorists are white and wear button up shirts with a collar. So lets start arresting everyone who matches that description.

Or, we can use common sense and an evidence based approach to policing.

The point is "terrorists" look like everyone else. They do this to fit in so they don't draw attention to themselves. I know this, you should know this, and the f'ing police had better know this otherwise they're incompetent. For christ sake the average special ed student with an extra chromosome and a river of snot running down his face could probably figure it out.
 
2012-09-27 01:24:14 PM

kd1s: Is the guy still living in the early 1990's??

"The devices includes a phone, MP3 player and GPS unit, his attorney said. "

Um, my almost two year old Smart Phone can do all of that in one device.


Yeah, and to those that said he couldn't afford a device that does all.. at least 5 years ago, the "free" phone you got with service had an MP3 player.

Not saying that what went on here was right, but seriously, who the hell carries all of that stuff on them? If *I* was carrying that shiat on me, I'd *hope* someone would stop me and ask if I was carrying a bomb. -seriously, look at that picture, his headphones cables are *red*.

Put that same set of clothes on an ignorant redneck and I *guarantee* all of you here would assume he was going to bomb an abortion clinic.
 
2012-09-27 02:04:31 PM

Calmamity: Uhh, submitter, he had a phone, a GPS and an MP3 player. Just like you, most likely.

Dude got arrested for being brown and bearded, plain and simple, and now the cops are charging with some trumped up bullsh*t.


Why do you assume he's innocent just because he's brown? Sounds like he had the devices wired up to look suspicious as a joke. If the police were called every time a brown person carried electronics they'd be pretty busy.

I'd have to see pictures of what he looked like in has get up. Most people don't carry a bunch of wires around to the movies.
 
2012-09-27 02:32:49 PM

Gabrielmot: kd1s: Is the guy still living in the early 1990's??

"The devices includes a phone, MP3 player and GPS unit, his attorney said. "

Um, my almost two year old Smart Phone can do all of that in one device.

Yeah, and to those that said he couldn't afford a device that does all.. at least 5 years ago, the "free" phone you got with service had an MP3 player.

Not saying that what went on here was right, but seriously, who the hell carries all of that stuff on them? If *I* was carrying that shiat on me, I'd *hope* someone would stop me and ask if I was carrying a bomb. -seriously, look at that picture, his headphones cables are *red*.

Put that same set of clothes on an ignorant redneck and I *guarantee* all of you here would assume he was going to bomb an abortion clinic.


No. Because I don't piss myself every time I see a lite-brite and batteries.

Also, I abhor phones that do anything other than be a phone. I'm fine with combining all the rest of the electronic devices into one device, that's a computer then. But the phone is a phone, and it should damn well stay that way.
 
2012-09-27 02:33:40 PM
Anyone defending the arrest and charges in any way needs to move to Boston and invest heavily in a supply of adult diapers. Seriously. Re-damn-diculous.
 
2012-09-27 02:35:26 PM
The devices includes a phone, MP3 player and GPS unit, his attorney said

That doesn't mean he wasn't dangerous. If someone has a phone, MP3 player, GPS unit, and bomb, then their devices includes a phone, MP3 player and GPS unit.
 
2012-09-27 02:36:38 PM

mike_d85: SageC: andyofne: Let's not link to the video of the same story....

"One would put together and reasonably assume that he is here to commit some heinous crime... deadly crime." -Cpl. Ed Ritter

Yes, it's completely reasonable to assume someone is openly carrying a deadly electronic explosive and/or chemical warfare device and that a Dekalb county shopping mall will be ground zero for this heinous crime.

You know what's easier to assume? Your town is full of ignorant, paranoid jackasses. People like you are the reason I can't wear my leather trench coat anywhere.

You never should have worn it to begin with. Not because I think you are up to anything, just because it makes you look like a jackass.


Mac and I disagree with you...
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And as a point / counterpoint... I present arresting officer Cpl. Ed Ritter in his dress uniform:
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2012-09-27 02:49:57 PM
Meanwhile a video bootlegger was in the theatre producing bootleg DVDs for the Asian market with three videocams, a laptop for quick edits, a sound-level check, a light-level check, three cellphones (two disposable) and several lenses to add his own zoom and special effects where he thinks the director got it wrong.

Some of these guys are B-list Hollywood amateur-professionals mining the corporate system from within.
 
2012-09-27 03:08:24 PM

Tyrosine: I don't have pictures of the Sept 11 hijackers but I doubt they boarded the planes wearing black hoodies with random wires sticking out carrying packs of C4.


There were no explosives used in the Sept 11 attacks.
*looks around nervously*
None! Just jet fuel.
 
2012-09-27 03:39:08 PM
Dimbulb is walking through a mall with wires hanging on him. And what is the preferred method of Mosque demolition?

Yeah, I can see the problem.
 
2012-09-27 03:49:48 PM
I can't believe there are people who can say, "I get scared when I see a person with some wires," without dying of shame.
 
2012-09-27 03:52:04 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: Anyone defending the arrest and charges in any way needs to move to Boston and invest heavily in a supply of adult diapers. Seriously. Re-damn-diculous.


Anyone thinking there is enough information in TFA to make an informed judgement needs to check into the nearest home for retards. Seriously.
 
2012-09-27 04:06:24 PM
Somebody needs to talk to the cops in everywhere that isn't DC, Chicago, New York or LA. You are not going to be the target of an international jihadi terrorist. Ain't gonna happen. Stop pretending you have to be prepared for it.
 
2012-09-27 04:30:52 PM

GooberMcFly: That's so farking stupid. If he got an iPhone 5, he would have had the phone, MP3 player and GPS all in one.


But then he would have been the target of redneck homophones. You just can't win.
 
2012-09-27 04:32:58 PM

moto-geek: GooberMcFly: That's so farking stupid. If he got an iPhone 5, he would have had the phone, MP3 player and GPS all in one.

But then he would have been the target of redneck homophones homophoBes. You just can't win.




//typo was funnier?
 
2012-09-27 05:29:12 PM

gameshowhost: ""In the day of age that we're in today, with terrorist activity, and dressing like one, one would assume that you are one," Cpl. Ed Ritter with Gwinnett police told Channel 2."

*facepalm*


Cannot be emphasized enough. "OMG - it's a swarthy individual with an MP3 player! RUN!"

Another Government Employee: Dimbulb is walking through a mall with wires hanging on him. And what is the preferred method of Mosque demolition?

Yeah, I can see the problem.


That a cop can't tell the difference between a bomb and an iPod, but automatically assumes that the guy is a potential terrorist because of his skin color & clothing? And, after arresting him and discovering the guy didn't fit the bill, still tries to get a "hoax device" charge to stick because, well, if there are no actual charges, the resulting civil rights lawsuit gets that much more difficult to fight off?

The problem is simple. The fact you can't see the problem is, well, the problem.
 
2012-09-27 05:32:23 PM
Can you imagine the heart attacks that would result if the 911 caller and the cop took a vacation in Redmond, WA? Say, near the Microsoft campus?

THE WHOLE FRIGGIN' NEIGHBORHOOD IS FULL OF DARK-SKINNED GUYS CARRYING DEVICES! RIGHT OUT IN THE OPEN! THERE'S WIRES EVERYWHERE! THEY'RE TALKIN' IN FUNNY LANGUAGES! THEY'RE ALL TERRORISTS, I TELL YOU - THE WHOLE TOWN'S JUST ONE BIG TERRORIST CELL!

Friggin' hilarious.
 
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