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2012-09-27 10:04:54 AM
If you want to attain your goals, it is best to be sure those goals are reasonable. The 27%ers have ludicrous goals.
 
2012-09-27 10:09:46 AM

hillbillypharmacist: The 27%ers have ludicrous goals.


Just wait until they go plaid.
 
2012-09-27 10:40:15 AM
FTFA: It is obvious that, with a deficit at 8 percent of gross domestic product, any solution to our budgetary problems has to involve both spending cuts and tax increases. Ronald Reagan agreed to tax increases when the deficit hit 4 percent of GDP; George H.W. Bush did so when the deficit was 3percent of GDP...The Simpson-Bowles proposal calls for $1 of tax increases for every $3 of spending cuts. But every Republican presidential candidate - including Romney - pledged during the primaries that he or she would not accept $10 of spending cuts if that meant a dollar of tax increases.

www.ladonnasonline.com
 
2012-09-27 10:48:05 AM
Can you be a serious candidate for the general election while not outraging the Republican base?

Really and truly this isn't just a right problem. Remember Nader is still out there saying Obama isn't left enough.
 
2012-09-27 10:49:34 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Really and truly this isn't just a right problem. Remember Nader is still out there saying Obama isn't left enough.


Yup. As goes Ralph Nader, so goes the Democratic Party. He's not known as the Liberal Kingmaker for nothing, you know.
 
2012-09-27 10:59:57 AM

Pocket Ninja: Yup. As goes Ralph Nader, so goes the Democratic Party. He's not known as the Liberal Kingmaker for nothing, you know.


And if any of the radio/tv/newspaper people on the right had any power McCain couldn't have won the nomination in 2008. And if the Tea Party had the "king making" power Romney wouldn't be the pick. At this point if either candidate is worried about his base he is farked. Which makes me wonder what the hell the Obama campaign is doing on Uni-vision and specking in black churches.

Of course he is spending money on tv ads in Oklahoma! So maybe the whole campaign has gone bat shiat insane.
 
2012-09-27 11:06:19 AM
Both parties are worried about their base. Only one of the parties has completely abandoned the middle to pander exclusively to it.
 
2012-09-27 11:10:36 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Which makes me wonder what the hell the Obama campaign is doing on Uni-vision


Trying to appeal to one of the most influential voting blocks in the country?
 
2012-09-27 11:12:31 AM

Pocket Ninja: Both parties are worried about their base. Only one of the parties has completely abandoned the middle to pander exclusively to it.


And that's Obama? His big rallies are at Union halls and black churches and his last major interview was on Uni-vision! Do you think his change on gay marriage was to get the middle?

I've said it before and I repeat myself that man needs to be on military bases going after Republicans he brought home from a war! He really needs to work the successful war time president angle. Too bad his base would lose it if he did. So he wont.
 
2012-09-27 11:24:03 AM
It's almost like liberals who scream about the democratic party not being liberal enough should heed this GOP election as a warning about what happens when you force your candidates to run away from the center of America.
 
2012-09-27 11:26:42 AM
Obama: "Hey Latinos vote for me!"
Romney: "Hey conservatives. I supported an individual mandate!"

BOTH CAMPAIGNS ARE SCARED OF LOSING THE BASE
 
2012-09-27 11:40:03 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Do you think his change on gay marriage was to get the middle?


In recent polls more than half of Americans support it. The base of the democratic party isn't as extremist as their counterparts in the republican party, so some of what a republican might call pandering to the base would go unnoticed as such to normal people.
 
2012-09-27 11:53:52 AM
No, a national GOP candidate can't win without their base.

The difference, as some seem to be missing, between the GOP base and the Democratic Party's base is that the Democratic Party's base is actually mainstream, stable and doesn't communicate primarily in FW:FW:FW:FW: emails.

That is, the GOP's current base (not necessarily their base pre-1996 or so, but definitely now) is full of people that, if you cater to them, make it impossible to then appear to be a sensible person in the eyes of the rest of the electorate.
 
2012-09-27 12:03:56 PM

Headso: In recent polls more than half of Americans support it. The base of the democratic party isn't as extremist as their counterparts in the republican party, so some of what a republican might call pandering to the base would go unnoticed as such to normal people.


Well it could all be due to view point. Independents and moderates are a little more right wing around here.
 
2012-09-27 12:14:44 PM

Headso: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Do you think his change on gay marriage was to get the middle?

In recent polls more than half of Americans support it. The base of the democratic party isn't as extremist as their counterparts in the republican party, so some of what a republican might call pandering to the base would go unnoticed as such to normal people.


You don't understand.

Both sides are exactly the same.
 
2012-09-27 12:17:44 PM

Aarontology: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Which makes me wonder what the hell the Obama campaign is doing on Uni-vision

Trying to appeal to one of the most influential voting blocks in the country?


With all the press about voter suppression tactics, I'm sure he's trying to help motivate them to get out and be politically active. This is a demographic the GOP should have gotten cozy with. But the euro-centric belief of superiority appears to have taken over the party.
 
2012-09-27 12:19:24 PM
Their default setting is outrage.

upload.wikimedia.org

The GOP's only hope is a moderate who depends on identity politics for the primaries.
A successful white male Protestant southern governor.
 
2012-09-27 12:23:17 PM
Why won't Romney, an intelligent man, fluent in economics, explain his economic policy? Because any sensible answer would cause a firestorm in his party.

It is obvious that, with a deficit at 8 percent of gross domestic product, any solution to our budgetary problems has to involve both spending cuts and tax increases. Ronald Reagan agreed to tax increases when the deficit hit 4 percent of GDP; George H.W. Bush did so when the deficit was 3percent of GDP. But today's Republican Party is organized around the proposition that, no matter the circumstances, there must never be a tax increase of any kind. The Simpson-Bowles proposal calls for $1 of tax increases for every $3 of spending cuts. But every Republican presidential candidate - including Romney - pledged during the primaries that he or she would not accept $10 of spending cuts if that meant a dollar of tax increases.


This should be plastered on every billboard in America.

www.ctj.org
Who hear would walk away from a 10 to 1 spending cuts to tax increase deal
 
2012-09-27 01:04:44 PM

Nadie_AZ: Aarontology: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Which makes me wonder what the hell the Obama campaign is doing on Uni-vision

Trying to appeal to one of the most influential voting blocks in the country?

With all the press about voter suppression tactics, I'm sure he's trying to help motivate them to get out and be politically active. This is a demographic the GOP should have gotten cozy with. But the euro-centric belief of superiority appears to have taken over the party.


It's hard to appeal to a demographic that doesn't share the Anglo-Saxon tradition, though.


impaler: This should be plastered on every billboard in America.


The GOP has done to Reagan what they previously did to Jesus. The Saint that the GOP candidates regularly attempt to invoke bears only a passing resemblance to the actual man, his actions and policies.

/which weren't that great to begin with, anyway
 
2012-09-27 01:11:57 PM

impaler: www.ctj.org
Who hear would walk away from a 10 to 1 spending cuts to tax increase deal


Both Paul and Huntsman raised their hands!

I have been assured by various individuals that both of these politicians are somehow different than their fellows.
 
2012-09-27 01:12:14 PM
s14.postimage.org
 
2012-09-27 01:16:20 PM
Since this hasn't been done yet:

Short answer no.
Long answer noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
 
2012-09-27 01:16:55 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Can you be a serious candidate for the general election while not outraging the Republican base?

Really and truly this isn't just a right problem. Remember Nader is still out there saying Obama isn't left enough.


And yet Obama won the Democratic primary, and then the general. So clearly, he was able to engage the Democratic base, even if the far left still had a problem with him.

/hint: "Democrat" and "liberal" are not synonyms.
 
2012-09-27 01:17:06 PM
It's either you pander to the teabaggers or they replace you with a teabagger. So you either lose the moderates or you lose to your insane base. If you still feel shame, you don't qualify.
 
2012-09-27 01:18:23 PM
FTA: The Republican Party has imposed a new kind of political correctness on its leaders. They cannot speak certain words (taxes) or speculate about certain ideas (immigration amnesty) because these are forbidden. Wow, Republican PC. That's gotta hurt!
 
2012-09-27 01:18:53 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Pocket Ninja: Both parties are worried about their base. Only one of the parties has completely abandoned the middle to pander exclusively to it.

And that's Obama? His big rallies are at Union halls and black churches and his last major interview was on Uni-vision! Do you think his change on gay marriage was to get the middle?

I've said it before and I repeat myself that man needs to be on military bases going after Republicans he brought home from a war! He really needs to work the successful war time president angle. Too bad his base would lose it if he did. So he wont.


You sound...concerned.
 
2012-09-27 01:22:35 PM

Pocket Ninja: Both parties are worried about their base. Only one of the parties has completely abandoned the middle to pander exclusively to it.


And in recent years the driving force of the GOP base has been a coctail of fear mixed with anger shaken in a gyroscope of ignorance.

The liberal base is still raging against corporations, tax breaks for the wealthy, and a bloated budget for the Department of War.

/from their blogs
 
2012-09-27 01:25:02 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Can you be a serious candidate for the general election while not outraging the Republican base?

Really and truly this isn't just a right problem. Remember Nader is still out there saying Obama isn't left enough.


But Obama and the rest of the dems are not kissing his a%& out of hear of offending him, are they? That's the REAL difference.

//i'll say it again -- the repubs are letting the lunatics run the asylum
 
2012-09-27 01:28:37 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Do you think his change on gay marriage was to get the middle?


Yes.
 
2012-09-27 01:29:11 PM

impaler: Why won't Romney, an intelligent man, fluent in economics, explain his economic policy? Because any sensible answer would cause a firestorm in his party.

It is obvious that, with a deficit at 8 percent of gross domestic product, any solution to our budgetary problems has to involve both spending cuts and tax increases. Ronald Reagan agreed to tax increases when the deficit hit 4 percent of GDP; George H.W. Bush did so when the deficit was 3percent of GDP. But today's Republican Party is organized around the proposition that, no matter the circumstances, there must never be a tax increase of any kind. The Simpson-Bowles proposal calls for $1 of tax increases for every $3 of spending cuts. But every Republican presidential candidate - including Romney - pledged during the primaries that he or she would not accept $10 of spending cuts if that meant a dollar of tax increases.

This should be plastered on every billboard in America.

[www.ctj.org image 425x282]
Who hear would walk away from a 10 to 1 spending cuts to tax increase deal


This is why we can't farking have nice things.
 
2012-09-27 01:29:17 PM
If Saint Reagan hadn't openly embraced the fundies in this country as he did 30 years ago, then they wouldn't have this problem. As it is, they elected a huge bloc of the Congress in 2010, and hopefully that will be evened out after this election. If people were pissed then, they have to be even more upset now at a group of people who promised JOBS JOBS JOBS and then put forth nothing but anti-choice and anti-gay marriage bills
 
2012-09-27 01:31:02 PM
Maybe I have been reading Game of Thrones too much, but people do not want to vote for a politician, they want to vote for a leader. Romney strikes me as a Chamberlain when what we really need is a Churchill.
 
2012-09-27 01:34:25 PM

justinguarini4ever: Maybe I have been reading Game of Thrones too much, but people do not want to vote for a politician, they want to vote for a leader. Romney strikes me as a Chamberlain when what we really need is a Churchill.


And the Republican Churchill is Robb Stark.
 
2012-09-27 01:38:23 PM
Well, they had no serious presidential candidates this year, so it's a moot point. The seriousness half-life was triggered with Palin, and apparently it only takes four years for the energetic GOP presidential isotope to degrade into pure derptonium.
 
2012-09-27 01:38:34 PM
Fiscal Conservative, Anti-Equality, Anti-Free Healthcare, Warmongering, and Jesus.

One of these things is not like the other.
 
2012-09-27 01:40:05 PM
FTA: In fact, the problem is not Romney but the new Republican Party. Given the direction in which it has moved and the pressures from its most extreme - yet most powerful - elements, any nominee would face the same challenge: Can you be a serious candidate for the general election while not outraging the Republican base?

From David Frumm on Twitter (I refuse to call them tweets):

(1) This AM's Politico story about Stuart Stevens being to blame for Romney campaign's troubles utterly misses the point.

(2) The Romney campaign has a messaging problem because it has a policy problem.

(3) The policy problem is that the Romney campaign offers nothing but bad news to hardpressed Americans and the broader middle class.

(4) How do you message: I'm doing away w Medicaid over the next 10 yrs, Medicare after that, to finance a cut in the top rate of tax to 28%?

(5) I don't care if you hire the people who produce the ATT ads that make my wife cry, there's no lipsticking that pig.

(6) The problem isn't the campaign leadership; it's the party's followership

(7) Over course of campaign, Romney has changed from a pragmatic, capable manager into a dog-whistling culture warrior.

(8) Candidate cd have and shd have resisted that pressure - but it's rich for ppl who demanded the change to complain about consequences.

(9) I thought Stevens' - drafted Tampa speech did good job of humanizing the man, Mitt Romney

(10) But voters do care about the q: what will this presidency do for me? And "dick you over" is not a winning answer
 
2012-09-27 01:41:16 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Can you be a serious candidate for the general election while not outraging the Republican base?

Really and truly this isn't just a right problem. Remember Nader is still out there saying Obama isn't left enough.


Because if you think a candidate further right than Richard goddamn Nixon is too far right, you MUST be a nut.
 
2012-09-27 01:44:04 PM
"serious"? No. Have a chance to win? Maybe.
 
2012-09-27 01:45:00 PM
...turned around the flailing Salt Lake City Olympics...

He didn't really "turn around" anything. Seriously, he just stepped in when the SOP of bribery was exposed, gave the whole thing a new face, and moved on from there. They really act like he built all of the stadiums, set the light rail lines and signed all of the athletes single-handedly. All he did was distract everyone from a scandal.
 
2012-09-27 01:45:05 PM
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2012-09-27 01:46:48 PM

justinguarini4ever: Maybe I have been reading Game of Thrones too much, but people do not want to vote for a politician, they want to vote for a leader. Romney strikes me as a Chamberlain when what we really need is a Churchill.


Romney scored 100 points in a night?
 
2012-09-27 01:48:31 PM
Southern Hate, NeoCon Corporatism, and Tea Party mental illnesses......mix in misinformation and doublespeak from FoxNews and others in the echo chamber and you have a leaderless party going in a direction that will ultimately lead them to failure.
 
2012-09-27 01:49:14 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Can you be a serious candidate for the general election while not outraging the Republican base?

Really and truly this isn't just a right problem. Remember Nader is still out there saying Obama isn't left enough.


In all fairness, the Democrats nominated Obama because he was a centrist that was willing to negotiate on elements of the platform, where Romney was nominated in spite of his centrism and had to repeatedly diavow it to get any endorsements. So even if the difference in the partys' blind ideological devotion is just one of magnitude, it's an extremely large magnitude disparity.
 
2012-09-27 01:50:03 PM
Can you be a decent human being while not outraging the Republican base?

And the answer is, No.
 
2012-09-27 01:53:09 PM
Muta: But voters do care about the q: what will this presidency do for me? And "dick you over" is not a winning answer

Oof. That should be a haymaker coming from Frum, but instead "the libs got him" and Frum is now Olbermann's water-boy.
 
2012-09-27 02:02:44 PM

WTF Indeed: It's almost like liberals who scream about the democratic party not being liberal enough should heed this GOP election as a warning about what happens when you force your candidates to run away from the center of America.


Still got the burning ass about this?

Some people are to the left of what is defined now as 'liberal', you know. Democrats somehow have the belief those people should sit quietly in the Democratic Party's pocket until bid to come forth and vote straight 'D', then sit down and shut up till the next election. In any case, excepting whatever list purging, vote stealing, poll blocking antics of the right wing, EVERY person that wants to and can vote for Obama should do so. I haven't seen anywhere that Lefties are trying to stop them.
 
2012-09-27 02:03:10 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus:
He really needs to work the successful war time president angle. .


Would like a word:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-27 02:03:33 PM

Mikey1969: ...turned around the flailing Salt Lake City Olympics...

He didn't really "turn around" anything. Seriously, he just stepped in when the SOP of bribery was exposed, gave the whole thing a new face, and moved on from there. They really act like he built all of the stadiums, set the light rail lines and signed all of the athletes single-handedly. All he did was distract everyone from a scandal.


Yeah, the bar was incredibly low for the SLOC which is why I found it so hilarious that they are acting like it's a huge accomplishment that he didn't embarrass the SLOC moreso than it already was.
 
2012-09-27 02:04:04 PM

nevirus: It's either you pander to the teabaggers or they replace you with a teabagger. So you either lose the moderates or you lose to your insane base. If you still feel shame, you don't qualify.


Exactly. For example, House incumbent Mike McIntyre (R), representing the SE part of NC, is getting attack ads against him by the national Republican Party, and some PAC called the "YG Agenda" or something like that. All the ads portray McIntyre as "not Republican enough" because he has reached across the aisle to work with Democrats, and actually voted for some Democrat sponsored bills. For that, he gets called a flip-flopper, "too liberal for NC", and "not a friend of NC". His Republican challenger is a true Teabagger, willing to gut social programs to curb spending, shipping jobs off to China, etc, etc. I never thought I'd see McIntyre's own party try to throw him out of his House seat, but the ads have been running for over a week now.
 
2012-09-27 02:07:37 PM

NotoriousW.O.P: justinguarini4ever: Maybe I have been reading Game of Thrones too much, but people do not want to vote for a politician, they want to vote for a leader. Romney strikes me as a Chamberlain when what we really need is a Churchill.

Romney scored 100 points in a night?


Of course he has. I doubt anyone around him would ever dare beat him in anything. I guarantee you he's the kind of tool that picks up a 5-foot putt.
 
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