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2012-09-27 09:59:43 AM  
Not after he demonstrates the power of this station...
 
2012-09-27 10:32:35 AM  
The only person more disappointed in Romney's Ohio performance is Paul Ryan.
 
2012-09-27 10:32:48 AM  

UberDave: Not after he demonstrates the power of this station...


The power of this computer polling station?

Will the Ohio vote be stolen again?
 
2012-09-27 10:33:15 AM  
Just finished this article:

Early voting on pace to surpass 2008 levels in Ohio

Of those, 9,453 were from voters who requested Democratic ballots in primaries this year, and 17,824 from voters seeking Republican ballots. The rest were nonpartisan.

Request your ballots Dems! They are going to be surpressing people in person.
 
2012-09-27 10:34:05 AM  
Ohio slipped through Romney's butt. It's what he has been talking out of.
 
2012-09-27 10:36:11 AM  
The way Romney has been campaigning, I don't think votes are really "slipping through his fingers" as much he's "chucking them out the damned window."

Then again, this is a man who seems to be counting electoral votes in terms of potato. So...
 
2012-09-27 10:36:43 AM  

UberDave: Not after he demonstrates the power of this station...


Nicely played, sir.
 
2012-09-27 10:38:08 AM  
He spoke.
 
2012-09-27 10:39:26 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
The more you fark that chicken, Romney, the more independent voters will slip through your fingers.
 
2012-09-27 10:39:58 AM  
By accidentally speaking out loud about what he really thinks?
 
2012-09-27 10:41:12 AM  
They keep pushing that "the democrats are oversampled" line. You think that they would see the old people dying off and not being replaced by a younger generation since their social views don't fit anymore.

They said the same thing in 2008 and were clearly wrong then.

My dad is a hard core Republican, and he doesn't know what he will do this fall. I don't know if he can hold his nose and pull the lever this time, and he actually thinks that Romney is intentionally throwing the election. He might be right.
 
2012-09-27 10:41:20 AM  
fta: Eight of the 12 public polls conducted after the Democratic National Convention have shown Romney with at least a 4-point deficit and one on Wednesday showed him down by 10. No Republican candidate has ever won the White House without carrying Ohio.

Buckeye state to Romney: Buck You!
 
2012-09-27 10:41:33 AM  
The man exudes insincerity, shallowness, and arrogance with every statement and gesture he makes. What happening is that the more he campaigns the more voters realize this. It's no wonder all the swing states are trending Obama - the more familiar they get with the Mitt the less they like him.
 
2012-09-27 10:41:46 AM  
Since he was a child, he was promised by the Mormon elders that he would be given the Godhood of his own planet when he dies. So perhaps he never really understood that to become leader of just a single country in this world, he has to do more than believe.
 
2012-09-27 10:46:52 AM  
He's gonna lose Ohio because even people who have reliably voted (R) in the last 5 presidental elections thought SB-5 and Kasich was bullshiat. That got the ball rolling even before Mitt was the candidate.

Now mix in a smug, "let them eat cake", buyout/bankrupt a company to pad my bottom line kind of guy and he really SHOULD get his ass kicked here.
 
2012-09-27 10:49:18 AM  
Well, for one,Rmoney thoight detroit was not in Ohio. He would know, he was born there. The problem came when Bain capital open the window of his campaign plane and took 47% of Ohio with it.
 
2012-09-27 10:51:47 AM  
Romdale'd
 
2012-09-27 10:53:53 AM  
We've analyzed the polls, sir, and there is a danger. Should I reduce campaign ad buys in Ohio and divert them to other swing states?

Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances!
 
2012-09-27 10:55:10 AM  
He will easily win most districts around Cincitucky, but Cleveland, Colombus, and pretty much all NE Ohio are very solidly Obama.
 
2012-09-27 10:55:19 AM  

0Icky0: Since he was a child, he was promised by the Mormon elders that he would be given the Godhood of his own planet when he dies. So perhaps he never really understood that to become leader of just a single country in this world, he has to do more than believe.


What is the deal with that anyway? At what point in history did we start trending towards starting religions that even *referenced* outer space, much less made doctrine that there was stuff out there?

I mean, trend may be a strong word, I can only think of Mormonism and Scientology off the top of my head, but still.
 
2012-09-27 10:56:20 AM  
The Stage ad was very effective as well, and mirrored the experiences of a lot of blue collar Ohio workers who had lost their jobs.

It actually reminded me of what happened to my grandpa when they shut down the steel mill and cut all pensions to 30% of what they were promised. He was very close to retirement, too.
 
2012-09-27 10:57:43 AM  

Thrakkerzog: They keep pushing that "the democrats are oversampled" line. You think that they would see the old people dying off and not being replaced by a younger generation since their social views don't fit anymore.


Also, polls that include cell phones generally favor Obama.
 
2012-09-27 10:57:57 AM  
FTA: "Romney's surreptitiously recorded remarks made at a swanky fundraiser earlier this year gave substance to the caricature Obama and Democrats have drawn of the Republican nominee."

It isn't a caricature, it never was, it's just a self-portrait now.
 
2012-09-27 10:58:38 AM  
"You combine the 'let Detroit go bankrupt' quote with the '47 percent' remark and you create a pretty powerful narrative across the country

Add the fact that the more he explains his tax plan the more the middle class figures out they'll be the ones royally screwed over in favor of the upper class and Obama's got one hell of an advantage in Ohio.
 
2012-09-27 11:00:00 AM  

Arkanaut: Thrakkerzog: They keep pushing that "the democrats are oversampled" line. You think that they would see the old people dying off and not being replaced by a younger generation since their social views don't fit anymore.

Also, polls that include cell phones generally favor Obama.


Right. And they live in an echo-chamber where everyone they know has a land line.

It's painful to watch.
 
2012-09-27 11:02:36 AM  
Funny, the current Time magazine has an article about how Ohio is in play for Romney because of the coal industry. All the polls in the east coal counties that voted for Obama in 2008, are now trending toward Romney.
 
2012-09-27 11:02:56 AM  
The deadline to register to vote in Ohio is Oct. 9. Does that seem early to anyone? I'm not familiar with other states, and I understand you can't just suddenly register to vote the day of the election, but doesn't one month prior to election seem a little early?
 
2012-09-27 11:05:15 AM  
I sincerely hope mittens loses big in November. However it would behoove the Democratic party to not count their chickens before they hatch. The GOP is quite crafty when it comes to the final week of an election and has a history of surprising upsets. It ain't over till it's over.
 
2012-09-27 11:09:02 AM  
It's really quite simple. Americans, in general, don't like rich assholes. Mitt Romney is a rich asshole. He's every boss you've ever hated. Why would you pick him to be President?
 
2012-09-27 11:13:52 AM  
And he would have had it too if it weren't for you meddling kids.
 
2012-09-27 11:14:24 AM  

DeltaPunch: The deadline to register to vote in Ohio is Oct. 9. Does that seem early to anyone? I'm not familiar with other states, and I understand you can't just suddenly register to vote the day of the election, but doesn't one month prior to election seem a little early?


Not really, no. New York's deadline is Oct. 12.
 
2012-09-27 11:14:50 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: It's really quite simple. Americans, in general, don't like rich assholes. Mitt Romney is a rich asshole. He's every boss you've ever hated. Why would you pick him to be President?


Obama is also a rich asshole. So it boils down to, do you want a very succesful rich asshole, or do you want a moderately rich asshole? If I am going to have a rich asshole running things, I would rather have the very successful one.
 
2012-09-27 11:15:27 AM  

DeltaPunch: The deadline to register to vote in Ohio is Oct. 9. Does that seem early to anyone? I'm not familiar with other states, and I understand you can't just suddenly register to vote the day of the election, but doesn't one month prior to election seem a little early?


Some states do, in fact, allow you to register on election day.

An immigrant family that came in together to register and vote got a round of applause at my polling place four years ago.
 
2012-09-27 11:15:57 AM  
How can it "slip through your fingers" when it was never in your hands to begin with? He's always been a steaming turd of a candidate in Ohio. He barely squeeked by Santorum by 12k votes in the Primary even though he outspent him 4 to 1. There's never been a time when Obama hasn't had a pretty clear lead in Ohio when looking at poll aggregators.
 
2012-09-27 11:17:41 AM  

dinomyar: Funny, the current Time magazine has an article about how Ohio is in play for Romney because of the coal industry. All the polls in the east coal counties that voted for Obama in 2008, are now trending toward Romney.


Time Magazine: We Never Let Reality Stand in the Way of a Narrative
 
2012-09-27 11:17:52 AM  

dinomyar: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: It's really quite simple. Americans, in general, don't like rich assholes. Mitt Romney is a rich asshole. He's every boss you've ever hated. Why would you pick him to be President?

Obama is also a rich asshole. So it boils down to, do you want a very succesful rich asshole, or do you want a moderately rich asshole? If I am going to have a rich asshole running things, I would rather have the very successful one.


That makes sense if you only define "successful" as "maximizing personal wealth" and if the only thing you value is money.
 
2012-09-27 11:20:47 AM  

dinomyar: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: It's really quite simple. Americans, in general, don't like rich assholes. Mitt Romney is a rich asshole. He's every boss you've ever hated. Why would you pick him to be President?

Obama is also a rich asshole. So it boils down to, do you want a very succesful rich asshole, or do you want a moderately rich asshole? If I am going to have a rich asshole running things, I would rather have the very successful one.


This whole post just reeks of false equivalence.
 
2012-09-27 11:27:25 AM  

dinomyar: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: It's really quite simple. Americans, in general, don't like rich assholes. Mitt Romney is a rich asshole. He's every boss you've ever hated. Why would you pick him to be President?

Obama is also a rich asshole. So it boils down to, do you want a very succesful rich asshole, or do you want a moderately rich asshole? If I am going to have a rich asshole running things, I would rather have the very successful one.


I'd rather have the rich asshole who's publicly stated that we should ask people in his rich asshole income bracket to contribute their fair share in taxes, instead of the rich asshole who's publicly stated that people in his rich asshole income bracket need even more money in the form of unpaid tax cuts.
 
2012-09-27 11:28:28 AM  

qorkfiend: dinomyar: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: It's really quite simple. Americans, in general, don't like rich assholes. Mitt Romney is a rich asshole. He's every boss you've ever hated. Why would you pick him to be President?

Obama is also a rich asshole. So it boils down to, do you want a very succesful rich asshole, or do you want a moderately rich asshole? If I am going to have a rich asshole running things, I would rather have the very successful one.

This whole post just reeks of false equivalence.


Correction - it's an argument from false premise, not a false equivalence - if his premises were accurate, the equivalence would not be false.
 
2012-09-27 11:32:59 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: That makes sense if you only define "successful" as "maximizing personal wealth" and if the only thing you value is money.


This only makes sense if you dont have any understanding as to how business works.
 
2012-09-27 11:33:48 AM  

dinomyar: Funny, the current Time magazine has an article about how Ohio is in play for Romney because of the coal industry. All the polls in the east coal counties that voted for Obama in 2008, are now trending toward Romney.


The same three counties that voted for Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale, and Carter (in 1980)? All of them that, every year, barely (and by barely I mean 52%) still go for the Dem? Those counties?

Because those counties had 75000 voters in 2008, out of 5.7 million. I'm not that worried if 2k voters shift those counties red, if Obama has a 250k lead statewide. Let me know when Lucas and Cuyahoga counties start trending for the rich white dude. (Hint: unlikely)

DeltaPunch: The deadline to register to vote in Ohio is Oct. 9. Does that seem early to anyone? I'm not familiar with other states, and I understand you can't just suddenly register to vote the day of the election, but doesn't one month prior to election seem a little early?


A month is pretty standard, I think.

mayIFark: Well, for one,Rmoney thoight detroit was not in Ohio. He would know, he was born there. The problem came when Bain capital open the window of his campaign plane and took 47% of Ohio with it.


Well... he's right that Detroit isn't in Ohio. What he forgot was that half the parts that go to Detroit come from Ohio--glass from Toledo, tires from Akron, engines from both of those and Cleveland. Letting Detroit go bankrupt is letting urban Ohio outside Columbus and Cincy go bankrupt.
 
2012-09-27 11:37:29 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: dinomyar: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: It's really quite simple. Americans, in general, don't like rich assholes. Mitt Romney is a rich asshole. He's every boss you've ever hated. Why would you pick him to be President?

Obama is also a rich asshole. So it boils down to, do you want a very succesful rich asshole, or do you want a moderately rich asshole? If I am going to have a rich asshole running things, I would rather have the very successful one.

That makes sense if you only define "successful" as "maximizing personal wealth" and if the only thing you value is money.


Obama was never really rich until he wrote Dreams of my Father. And IIRC, until The Audacity of Hope came out, he was still paying down his law school student loans.
 
2012-09-27 11:39:40 AM  
Romney is a Christmas Miracle, the gift that keeps on giving. To Obama.
 
2012-09-27 11:41:12 AM  

DeltaPunch: I'd rather have the rich asshole who's publicly stated that we should ask people in his rich asshole income bracket to contribute their fair share in taxes, instead of the rich asshole who's publicly stated that people in his rich asshole income bracket need even more money in the form of unpaid tax cuts.


So you want the hypocrite who says the rich do not pay their fair share of taxes, while he think he pays too much taxes and has to reduce them by taking exemptions, and at the same time bashing the rich for taking the same exemptions.

I rather have the guy who is honest about how he feels about taxes.
 
2012-09-27 11:42:08 AM  
by MIKE FLYNN

Quinnipiac University may have found an absurd number of Democrats for its CBS/NYT's commissioned poll of three swing states, but that can't hide an unmistakeable fact; Obama is losing Independents. Even Quinnipiac's juiced poll shows Obama losing independents to Romney in Ohio and Florida. The poll, unhelpfully, doesn't break down the numbers for Pennsylvania, but virtually every poll conducted this season finds Obama losing Independents. Its a dramatic swing from 2008.

In 2008, Obama won Independents by eight points nationally. On Monday, Politico released a poll showing Romney with a three point lead nationally among Independents. This is an 11 point swing away from Obama since 2008.

This swing is consistent with that found in today's Quinnipiac poll. In 2008, Obama won Florida independents by seven points. Today he trails by three, a 10 point swing. In Ohio, he won Independents by eight, yet trails today by one.

My colleague John Nolte noted this morning that Quinnipiac's poll is implying a massive Democrat turnout, surpassing not only 2008, but anything seen in modern history.
In recent days, pollsters, under fire for heavy Democrat sampling, have responded that they are just reflecting the state of the current electorate. People are just simply identifying as Democrat because they support Obama. If a Democrat wave were really building, though, ought it not be reflected in some way in the Independent vote? Can an Obama wave really be building against a 10 point swing away from him among Independents?

A further problem for Quinnipiac is that there are far fewer Democrat voters in the three states today than there were in 2008. A recent report from the liberal group Third Way found a more than 200k decrease in Democrats and a 20K increase in Republicans in Florida since 2008. How can there be a massive increase in Democrats turning out if there are fewer of them? Democrats outnumbered GOP voters in FL by 800k in 2008. Today? About 400k.

In PA both parties lost voters, but the Democrat decrease was twice the GOP loss. Democrats have lost almost 350k voters since '08 and the GOP has lost around 160k. Their registration advantage over the GOP has narrowed by about 200k voters.

Ohio doesn't register by party, but the state has lost over 500k voters since 2008. The overwhelming amount of the loss was in Democrat-heavy Cuyahoga County. It stands to reason that the GOP's position is better than it was in 2008.

Keep in mind, the level of Independents in these three polls is consistent with the 2008 vote. So, it can't just be that Independents are suddenly identifying as Democrats in these polls.
How the hell are the Democrats going to increase their turnout over 2008 if there are so many fewer of them? Even if they have a strong turnout, their position vis a vis the GOP has weakened in all three states. And Quinnipiac's own poll finds GOP voters more enthusiastic about voting than Democrats. Presumably, Democrats' share of the electorate in '12 will be smaller than '08 even with an equal size turnout. Quinnipiac's inflating it higher is simply fraudulent.
 
2012-09-27 11:44:44 AM  

dinomyar: DeltaPunch: I'd rather have the rich asshole who's publicly stated that we should ask people in his rich asshole income bracket to contribute their fair share in taxes, instead of the rich asshole who's publicly stated that people in his rich asshole income bracket need even more money in the form of unpaid tax cuts.

So you want the hypocrite who says the rich do not pay their fair share of taxes, while he think he pays too much taxes and has to reduce them by taking exemptions, and at the same time bashing the rich for taking the same exemptions.

I rather have the guy who is honest about how he feels about taxes.


That's not even close to what the tax debate is about.
 
2012-09-27 11:46:38 AM  
How does one know when one side is losing? When they start complaining about how all the pollsters are getting it wrong, that's how.

Sorry, Mike Flynn, (whoever you are) It must suck to be a loser.
 
2012-09-27 11:47:07 AM  
The GOP's strategy in Ohio makes no sense, and is catastrophically backfiring. Democrats have two different types of ads here: totally negative against Romney's actions and policies, and Obama explaining how his policies will help the middle class. Romney's ads are at best non sequiturs ("Obama lets China cheat") and at worst complete fabrications ("You didn't build that"). That isn't to say that Democrats have their hands clean, as I saw quite a few of the "Romney killed my wife" ads, but I can't really say that I've seen any Romney ads that explain his policies with anything other than vague platitudes about reducing the debt.

Furthermore the super PACs have gone nuclear on Sherrod Brown, our state senator and union-loving liberal golden boy of Ohio. He's the guy who pretty much defines Midwestern liberalism. Republicans don't realize that every time they run an ad that says "Sherrod Brown is a clone of Obama," they're actually helping Obama, because people love Sherrod Brown. It's Obama that people are wary about, but if he's a lockstep clone of your guy, he must not be all bad.
 
2012-09-27 11:48:46 AM  

tony41454: People are just simply identifying as Democrat because they support Obama. If a Democrat wave were really building, though, ought it not be reflected in some way in the Independent vote? Can an Obama wave really be building against a 10 point swing away from him among Independents?


If they're self-identifying as Democrats, then they're not self-identifying as independents, dumbass
 
2012-09-27 11:50:13 AM  

qorkfiend: That's not even close to what the tax debate is about.


How so? He says the rich does not pay enough taxes and uses too many deductions to avoid paying taxes.
 
2012-09-27 11:50:22 AM  

dinomyar: DeltaPunch: I'd rather have the rich asshole who's publicly stated that we should ask people in his rich asshole income bracket to contribute their fair share in taxes, instead of the rich asshole who's publicly stated that people in his rich asshole income bracket need even more money in the form of unpaid tax cuts.

So you want the hypocrite who says the rich do not pay their fair share of taxes, while he think he pays too much taxes and has to reduce them by taking exemptions, and at the same time bashing the rich for taking the same exemptions.

I rather have the guy who is honest about how he feels about taxes.


The guy who is also honest that he cares nothing for you and your needs?
 
2012-09-27 11:51:28 AM  

dinomyar: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: It's really quite simple. Americans, in general, don't like rich assholes. Mitt Romney is a rich asshole. He's every boss you've ever hated. Why would you pick him to be President?

Obama is also a rich asshole. So it boils down to, do you want a very succesful rich asshole, or do you want a moderately rich asshole? If I am going to have a rich asshole running things, I would rather have the very successful one.


Not quite. Obama's just rich. There's a big difference between being a guy with a lot of money, and a rich asshole. The operative part of it is that Romney is a huge asshole. Just really a big, stunning, asshole. It's not a money thing, it's an asshole thing. Romney would be an asshole broke, too. He can just get up to a lot more assholery with his bucks.
 
2012-09-27 11:52:22 AM  

dinomyar: Obama is also a rich asshole. So it boils down to, do you want a very succesful rich asshole, or do you want a moderately rich asshole? If I am going to have a rich asshole running things, I would rather have the very successful one.


I'll also take the rich asshole who was born to modest circumstances and achieved success on his own merits.

In a just universe, Obama would be the Republican's poster boy for "American Success Story", but because he's not an asshole and has some compassion for ordinary Americans the Reps think he must have cheated.
 
2012-09-27 11:52:29 AM  

Arkanaut: tony41454: People are just simply identifying as Democrat because they support Obama. If a Democrat wave were really building, though, ought it not be reflected in some way in the Independent vote? Can an Obama wave really be building against a 10 point swing away from him among Independents?

If they're self-identifying as Democrats, then they're not self-identifying as independents, dumbass


In every single poll I ever responded to I have self identified as a Republican - the hard turn right by the Tea partiers has pushed me off that scale so I pretty much have to self identify as an Independent now - I think part of the GOP's problem is that some of their "base" isnt part of their base anymore.
 
2012-09-27 11:54:43 AM  

dinomyar: qorkfiend: That's not even close to what the tax debate is about.

How so? He says the rich does not pay enough taxes and uses too many deductions to avoid paying taxes.


And?
 
2012-09-27 11:54:58 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Not quite. Obama's just rich. There's a big difference between being a guy with a lot of money, and a rich asshole. The operative part of it is that Romney is a huge asshole. Just really a big, stunning, asshole. It's not a money thing, it's an asshole thing. Romney would be an asshole broke, too. He can just get up to a lot more assholery with his bucks.


Being an asshole is a subjective thing determined by individuals. A lot of people think Obama is an asshole and some think Romney is not. And there are some that think ALL rich people are assholes, i.e. Occupy Movement people.
 
2012-09-27 11:56:25 AM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: achieved success on his own merits


HA HA HA, good one. I hadn't had a good laugh today yet. Thanks.
 
2012-09-27 11:57:20 AM  

dinomyar: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Not quite. Obama's just rich. There's a big difference between being a guy with a lot of money, and a rich asshole. The operative part of it is that Romney is a huge asshole. Just really a big, stunning, asshole. It's not a money thing, it's an asshole thing. Romney would be an asshole broke, too. He can just get up to a lot more assholery with his bucks.

Being an asshole is a subjective thing determined by individuals. A lot of people think Obama is an asshole and some think Romney is not. And there are some that think ALL rich people are assholes, i.e. Occupy Movement people.


And there's people like me who think they are both assholes. But, not because they are rich.

In the smarmy, intolerable department, though, Rmoney wins over Obama. Hands down.
 
2012-09-27 11:57:26 AM  

qorkfiend: dinomyar: qorkfiend: That's not even close to what the tax debate is about.

How so? He says the rich does not pay enough taxes and uses too many deductions to avoid paying taxes.

And?


He's a Hypocrite.
 
2012-09-27 11:58:24 AM  

dinomyar: Being an asshole is a subjective thing determined by individuals. A lot of people think Obama is an asshole and some think Romney is not. And there are some that think ALL rich people are assholes, i.e. Occupy Movement people.


See, but the people that think Obama is an asshole are wrong and the people that think Romney is an asshole are right. Do you want to continue on this pointless line of conjecture or would you like to use your time in a more wisely?
 
2012-09-27 11:58:32 AM  

dinomyar: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: It's really quite simple. Americans, in general, don't like rich assholes. Mitt Romney is a rich asshole. He's every boss you've ever hated. Why would you pick him to be President?

Obama is also a rich asshole. So it boils down to, do you want a very succesful rich asshole, or do you want a moderately rich asshole? If I am going to have a rich asshole running things, I would rather have the very successful one.


One got rich by writing books.

The other got rich by destroying companies and exporting jobs.

Hmmm...which one is the better choice?
 
2012-09-27 11:59:42 AM  

dinomyar: qorkfiend: dinomyar: qorkfiend: That's not even close to what the tax debate is about.

How so? He says the rich does not pay enough taxes and uses too many deductions to avoid paying taxes.

And?

He's a Hypocrite.


That's not even close to what the tax debate is about.
 
2012-09-27 12:00:27 PM  

mark.jms: What is the deal with that anyway? At what point in history did we start trending towards starting religions that even *referenced* outer space, much less made doctrine that there was stuff out there?


Well, they aren't called "the heavens" because of coincidence, God has more or less been viewed as living in the 'sky' for a long time. Depending on ytour religion, pretty much forever. There has always been some religion somewhere with a 'sky' God.

As in "outer space".
 
2012-09-27 12:02:32 PM  

qorkfiend: dinomyar: qorkfiend: dinomyar: qorkfiend: That's not even close to what the tax debate is about.

How so? He says the rich does not pay enough taxes and uses too many deductions to avoid paying taxes.

And?

He's a Hypocrite.

That's not even close to what the tax debate is about.


Then why does he keep bringing it up, that the rich dont pay their fair share of taxes?
 
2012-09-27 12:02:42 PM  

Mikey1969: mark.jms: What is the deal with that anyway? At what point in history did we start trending towards starting religions that even *referenced* outer space, much less made doctrine that there was stuff out there?

Well, they aren't called "the heavens" because of coincidence, God has more or less been viewed as living in the 'sky' for a long time. Depending on ytour religion, pretty much forever. There has always been some religion somewhere with a 'sky' God.

As in "outer space".


It is funny how the more we know about the universe, the further out into it we have to put God. Pretty soon, He won't have enough room in the cosmos for a cardboard box. Poor God.
 
2012-09-27 12:03:22 PM  

dinomyar: Funny, the current Time magazine has an article about how Ohio is in play for Romney because of the coal industry. All the polls in the east coal counties that voted for Obama in 2008, are now trending toward Romney.


Coal demand is falling because it's being replaced by natural gas. Right-wing radio would have one believe it's because of restrictive Obama EPA regulations.
 
2012-09-27 12:05:30 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: The other got rich by destroying companies and exporting jobs.


The other got rich by fixing companies and keeping them in business and therefore keeping some people employed.

Fixed that for you.
 
2012-09-27 12:05:55 PM  

dinomyar: qorkfiend: dinomyar: qorkfiend: dinomyar: qorkfiend: That's not even close to what the tax debate is about.

How so? He says the rich does not pay enough taxes and uses too many deductions to avoid paying taxes.

And?

He's a Hypocrite.

That's not even close to what the tax debate is about.

Then why does he keep bringing it up, that the rich dont pay their fair share of taxes?


It couldn't possibly be because he wants to change the tax laws so that the tax laws are less skewed, could it? Nah.
 
2012-09-27 12:06:11 PM  

qorkfiend: That's not even close to what the tax debate is about.


The tax debate is about how 47% of people are hopelessly dependent on government handouts, and they'll start to take some responsibility for their lives if they have to pay into the teat that they suckle from. Furthermore a 3% tax increase on income over $250,000 is an unconscionable burden for job creators, who are hamstrung by a byzantine tax code that punishes them for their success, so much so that they feel compelled to take fewer deductions in order to pay more federal taxes than required by law. Only when America stops punishing financial success and starts taxing grandmothers so they have some skin in the game is when we will truly prosper and our jobs tree will bloom into full glory.

That about sum it up?
 
2012-09-27 12:06:36 PM  

Cymbal: He will easily win most districts around Cincitucky, but Cleveland, Colombus, and pretty much all NE Ohio are very solidly Obama.


Cincinnati area isn't as reliably red as it used to be. Saw some recent polling that shows all but the rural parts and Southeastern Ohio moving further to the blue column.
 
2012-09-27 12:07:43 PM  

dinomyar: So you want the hypocrite who says the rich do not pay their fair share of taxes, while he think he pays too much taxes and has to reduce them by taking exemptions, and at the same time bashing the rich for taking the same exemptions.


Which exemptions did he take?
When did he bash rich for taking legal exemptions?

Now if he's advocating the rich should donate to government, then he would be a hypocrite.
 
2012-09-27 12:11:38 PM  

dinomyar: Funny, the current Time magazine has an article about how Ohio is in play for Romney because of the coal industry. All the polls in the east coal counties that voted for Obama in 2008, are now trending toward Romney.


Heh...I knew I had you favorited as "Poll-tard" for a reason.
Posting poll numbers with no citation or link seems to be your schtick.
 
2012-09-27 12:12:39 PM  

impaler: dinomyar: Funny, the current Time magazine has an article about how Ohio is in play for Romney because of the coal industry. All the polls in the east coal counties that voted for Obama in 2008, are now trending toward Romney.

Coal demand is falling because it's being replaced by natural gas. Right-wing radio would have one believe it's because of restrictive Obama EPA regulations.


Funny how this graph showing coal use rising until Obama came into office.

http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/pdf/sec7_4.pdf
 
2012-09-27 12:13:34 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: It is funny how the more we know about the universe, the further out into it we have to put God. Pretty soon, He won't have enough room in the cosmos for a cardboard box. Poor God.


LOL, I can imagine him moving out, with all his belongings in a trash bag, like when I was in foster homes and such. God just needs some luggage, maybe we could start a collection?
 
2012-09-27 12:13:58 PM  
Are the regional governors not able to keep Ohio in line?
 
2012-09-27 12:14:38 PM  
Nailed it!
 
2012-09-27 12:14:47 PM  

dinomyar: rufus-t-firefly: The other got rich by destroying companies and exporting jobs.

The other got rich by fixing companies and keeping them in business and therefore keeping some people employed.

Fixed that for you.


Thanks! Now I know pretty much everything you say is intellectually dishonest. It took a little while to be sure and that you weren't just someone who disliked Obama.
 
2012-09-27 12:26:22 PM  

impaler: Which exemptions did he take?


Link

Exemptions are not something that you are required to take. If you TRUELY feel that the rich are not paying enough taxes you would be a hypocrite to take those exemption when you could afford not to.

impaler: When did he bash rich for taking legal exemptions?


Are you claiming that the rich are taking ILLEGAL exemptions? Why isn't the IRS investigating and prosecuting them?

If he is not concerned about the exemptions, then why keep bringing up the tax rates that Romney paid that includes the exemptions, and instead just focus on the top tax rate?
 
2012-09-27 12:29:35 PM  

dinomyar: DeltaPunch: I'd rather have the rich asshole who's publicly stated that we should ask people in his rich asshole income bracket to contribute their fair share in taxes, instead of the rich asshole who's publicly stated that people in his rich asshole income bracket need even more money in the form of unpaid tax cuts.

So you want the hypocrite who says the rich do not pay their fair share of taxes, while he think he pays too much taxes and has to reduce them by taking exemptions, and at the same time bashing the rich for taking the same exemptions.

I rather have the guy who is honest about how he feels about taxes.


FPPFPFFT!

Whatever you say Mr. Kaufman. You got it. We're all totally buying what you're selling.
 
2012-09-27 12:33:13 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: One got rich by writing books.


Don't forget he was also a professor. He can read and write. Elitist.
 
2012-09-27 12:36:38 PM  

dinomyar: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: achieved success on his own merits

HA HA HA, good one. I hadn't had a good laugh today yet. Thanks.


And herein lies the problem with the right wing in this country (assuming we're not being trolled by dinomyar). How exactly did Obama not succeed on his own merits? I don't recall his father giving him thousands of dollars in stock for his birthday. Don' t recall his grandparents intriducing him to any Wall Street executives. Any corporate CEO's, state governors or Presidential candidates in his immediate family?

I'd love to hear the Faux News/Derposphere alternate-reality version of how Obama became president.
 
2012-09-27 12:41:48 PM  

dinomyar: If he is not concerned about the exemptions, then why keep bringing up the tax rates that Romney paid that includes the exemptions, and instead just focus on the top tax rate?


Who says he isn't?
 
2012-09-27 12:42:28 PM  

Publikwerks: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 335x260]
The more you fark that chicken, Romney, the more independent voters will slip through your fingers.


i.imgur.com

Charming to the last. You don't know how hard I found it, signing the order to terminate Obamacare.

/quick and dirty
 
2012-09-27 12:44:32 PM  

dinomyar: impaler: dinomyar: Funny, the current Time magazine has an article about how Ohio is in play for Romney because of the coal industry. All the polls in the east coal counties that voted for Obama in 2008, are now trending toward Romney.

Coal demand is falling because it's being replaced by natural gas. Right-wing radio would have one believe it's because of restrictive Obama EPA regulations.

Funny how this graph showing coal use rising until Obama came into office.

http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/pdf/sec7_4.pdf


Might have more to do with this:

www.beatingtheindex.com
 
2012-09-27 12:51:23 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: how Obama became president.


Obama became president because the Democratic party was afraid of Hillary. They knew that she would not play the "good ol' boys games" and would actually bring change to the government. They had to find someone who could beat her and there was no one in the wings that could. But, they found this young African american that could talk a good talk and would play ball with the democrats, and they elevated him up to the position, not on his own merits, but because they didnt want Clinton.

In my opinion, Obama was not ready. He did not have enough experience and it showed. He let the democrats walk all over him at least the first year before he finally started taking charge.
 
2012-09-27 12:52:27 PM  

dinomyar: Obama became president because the Democratic party was afraid of Hillary. They knew that she would not play the "good ol' boys games" and would actually bring change to the government


[citation needed]
 
2012-09-27 12:53:41 PM  

dinomyar: He let the democrats walk all over him at least the first year before he finally started taking charge.


I..what? This doesn't even make any sense.
 
2012-09-27 12:57:40 PM  

tony41454: by MIKE FLYNN

Quinnipiac University may have found an absurd number of Democrats for its CBS/NYT's commissioned poll of three swing states, but that can't hide an unmistakeable fact; Obama is losing Independents. Even Quinnipiac's juiced poll shows Obama losing independents to Romney in Ohio and Florida. The poll, unhelpfully, doesn't break down the numbers for Pennsylvania, but virtually every poll conducted this season finds Obama losing Independents. Its a dramatic swing from 2008.

In 2008, Obama won Independents by eight points nationally. On Monday, Politico released a poll showing Romney with a three point lead nationally among Independents. This is an 11 point swing away from Obama since 2008.

This swing is consistent with that found in today's Quinnipiac poll. In 2008, Obama won Florida independents by seven points. Today he trails by three, a 10 point swing. In Ohio, he won Independents by eight, yet trails today by one.

My colleague John Nolte noted this morning that Quinnipiac's poll is implying a massive Democrat turnout, surpassing not only 2008, but anything seen in modern history.
In recent days, pollsters, under fire for heavy Democrat sampling, have responded that they are just reflecting the state of the current electorate. People are just simply identifying as Democrat because they support Obama. If a Democrat wave were really building, though, ought it not be reflected in some way in the Independent vote? Can an Obama wave really be building against a 10 point swing away from him among Independents?

A further problem for Quinnipiac is that there are far fewer Democrat voters in the three states today than there were in 2008. A recent report from the liberal group Third Way found a more than 200k decrease in Democrats and a 20K increase in Republicans in Florida since 2008. How can there be a massive increase in Democrats turning out if there are fewer of them? Democrats outnumbered GOP voters in FL by 800k in 2008. Today? About 400k.

In PA ...


You could have just linked the Breitbart article.
 
2012-09-27 12:58:19 PM  

Brandyelf: dinomyar: impaler: dinomyar: Funny, the current Time magazine has an article about how Ohio is in play for Romney because of the coal industry. All the polls in the east coal counties that voted for Obama in 2008, are now trending toward Romney.

Coal demand is falling because it's being replaced by natural gas. Right-wing radio would have one believe it's because of restrictive Obama EPA regulations.

Funny how this graph showing coal use rising until Obama came into office.

http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/pdf/sec7_4.pdf

Might have more to do with this:

[www.beatingtheindex.com image 620x466]



Heres one that shows how coal prices have risen sinse Obama took office.
Link

Also here is a new report that shows the trend reversing.

Link
 
2012-09-27 01:01:11 PM  

Brandyelf: dinomyar: impaler: dinomyar: Funny, the current Time magazine has an article about how Ohio is in play for Romney because of the coal industry. All the polls in the east coal counties that voted for Obama in 2008, are now trending toward Romney.

Coal demand is falling because it's being replaced by natural gas. Right-wing radio would have one believe it's because of restrictive Obama EPA regulations.

Funny how this graph showing coal use rising until Obama came into office.

http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/pdf/sec7_4.pdf

Might have more to do with this:

[www.beatingtheindex.com image 620x466]


Here's a good piece on the decline in coal.

Link

The last several paragraphs (page 3) are particularly interesting:

In January, Great River Energy, a North Dakota cooperative serving 650,000 customers in the upper Midwest, announced it would immediately mothball a new coal-fired power plant it had just completed at a cost of $437 million. Officials cited weakening power demand and competition from cheaper sources of electricity, such as wind and natural gas.

"We could run it - and lose money half the time," Rick Lancaster, vice president for generation at Great River Energy, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

And last year, Texas-based Luminant warned that it would have to shutter two of three generators at its Monticello power plant - one of the state's largest coal-fired plants - and three coal mines. Officials blamed a looming federal emissions law intended to curb sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide.

"To meet the rule's unrealistic deadline and requirements, Luminant reluctantly must take the difficult steps of idling two generating units and ceasing mining Texas lignite at three mines," the company said in a September 2011 press release.

In March, when those new EPA rules were struck down by a federal appeals court and the "EPA overlords" were defeated, according to Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, the plant appeared to get a reprieve. But Luminant officials announced that two of the three generators would be shuttered for at least six months anyway. Low electricity prices - driven by market rate-setting natural gas plants - had made them uneconomical outside the peak summer season, they said.

"The reason we're looking to do this is due to persistently low wholesale power prices that have made these two units unprofitable except during the summer months," says Ashley Barrie, a company spokeswoman. "It doesn't make sense for us to operate these units at a loss."

"It had nothing to do with environmental regulations - this is purely an economic decision," Ms. Barrie says.
 
2012-09-27 01:09:03 PM  

dinomyar: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: It's really quite simple. Americans, in general, don't like rich assholes. Mitt Romney is a rich asshole. He's every boss you've ever hated. Why would you pick him to be President?

Obama is also a rich asshole. So it boils down to, do you want a very succesful rich asshole, or do you want a moderately rich asshole? If I am going to have a rich asshole running things, I would rather have the very successful one.


So, you want the talentless one who is only rich because of his daddy, not the one who actually is a self-made man? OK then. But Rafalca still isn't going to sleep with you.
 
2012-09-27 01:10:59 PM  

dinomyar: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: how Obama became president.

Obama became president because the Democratic party was afraid of Hillary. They knew that she would not play the "good ol' boys games" and would actually bring change to the government. They had to find someone who could beat her and there was no one in the wings that could. But, they found this young African american that could talk a good talk and would play ball with the democrats, and they elevated him up to the position, not on his own merits, but because they didnt want Clinton.

In my opinion, Obama was not ready. He did not have enough experience and it showed. He let the democrats walk all over him at least the first year before he finally started taking charge.


And now that Obama has experience, you want to go with the guy who can't even talk to the English without making them mad?

OK, but it seems to me you don't spend a lot of time actually thinking, or looking at facts.
 
2012-09-27 01:14:08 PM  

dinomyar: Funny how this graph showing coal use rising until Obama came into office.


It's like 2009 was a recession? Amirite?

growlersoftware.com
 
2012-09-27 01:18:45 PM  

dinomyar: impaler: Which exemptions did he take?

Link


State and local taxes
Home mortgage interest
Gifts to Charity

The horror.
 
2012-09-27 01:19:39 PM  

impaler: dinomyar: impaler: Which exemptions did he take?

Link

State and local taxes
Home mortgage interest
Gifts to Charity

The horror.


It's almost as if he's a normal taxpayer! OH NO!
 
2012-09-27 01:20:43 PM  

dinomyar: Exemptions are not something that you are required to take. If you TRUELY feel that the rich are not paying enough taxes you would be a hypocrite to take those exemption when you could afford not to.


No you wouldn't. You would just be a moron. One person paying more does nothing to increase revenue.

The change has to be systematic.

There's nothing hypocritical about paying the minimum taxes, and thinking the minimum should be higher.
 
2012-09-27 01:21:27 PM  
"If you drive past a lot of their headquarters, the lights are off. They're just there to have a presence," Henderson told TPM. "Our folks on the ground are fired up. They're knocking on doors every day. Our state party has made 28 times more phone calls than we had at this point in 2008."

Because in Presidential campaigns, you always see candidates just throwing Potemkin field offices out there for the hell of it.
 
2012-09-27 01:21:54 PM  

dinomyar: Brandyelf: dinomyar: impaler: dinomyar: Funny, the current Time magazine has an article about how Ohio is in play for Romney because of the coal industry. All the polls in the east coal counties that voted for Obama in 2008, are now trending toward Romney.

Coal demand is falling because it's being replaced by natural gas. Right-wing radio would have one believe it's because of restrictive Obama EPA regulations.

Funny how this graph showing coal use rising until Obama came into office.

http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/pdf/sec7_4.pdf

Might have more to do with this:

[www.beatingtheindex.com image 620x466]


Heres one that shows how coal prices have risen sinse Obama took office.
Link

Also here is a new report that shows the trend reversing.

Link


As the natural gas glut fades, utilities will move toward the cheaper alternative, in this case coal.

F*CKING MARKETS, HOW DO THEY WORK
 
2012-09-27 01:26:55 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: As the natural gas glut fades, utilities will move toward the cheaper alternative, in this case coal.

F*CKING MARKETS, HOW DO THEY WORK


OBAMA!!!
 
2012-09-27 01:32:04 PM  

dinomyar: Obama became president because the Democratic party was afraid of Hillary. They knew that she would not play the "good ol' boys games" and would actually bring change to the government. They had to find someone who could beat her and there was no one in the wings that could. But, they found this young African american that could talk a good talk and would play ball with the democrats, and they elevated him up to the position, not on his own merits, but because they didnt want Clinton.

In my opinion, Obama was not ready. He did not have enough experience and it showed. He let the democrats walk all over him at least the first year before he finally started taking charge.


To a great extent, I agree with you that Obama needed to grow into the Presidency. I don't agree that Obama was the Democratic establishment candidate, though. Maybe I'm naive, but it looked to me like Hillary was the establishment choice and Obama really received his support (an eventual victory) from grassroots Democrats.

I don't think I phrased my question quite right, though. I wasn't looking for a political explanation for how Obama became President. Obama was a successful guy long before he ran for President - born into modest means, scholarships to good schools, President of Harvard Law Review, summa cum laude graduate of Harvard Law, civil rights attorney, constitutional law lecturer, State senator, US Senator - everyone knows his biography. Obama's life story is a genuine success story, not Romney's (know its an overused cliche, but it fits) "born on third base and trying to convince us he hit a triple" narrative.
 
MFL
2012-09-27 01:44:30 PM  
dinomyar: Obama became president because the Democratic party was afraid of Hillary. They knew that she would not play the "good ol' boys games" and would actually bring change to the government

Obama became president because the lib media fell in love with him and decided to turn their cannon fodder on Hillary. The DNC actually wanted Hillary but who could resist all of the free advertising NBC, CBS, and ABC provided. It's that simple. The media made (and are still making) Obama. This guy is the obviosly the worst operational president we've seen in over a century but is somehow still popular because half of our country wants a prom king instead of a CEO.

Whoever wins this election will have a financial shiatstorm heading their way that the Fed has created. We know Obama has no farking answers and will flounder like a beached carp for the next 4 years.....but that Mitt Romney, it's bad news for him.
 
2012-09-27 02:10:07 PM  

qorkfiend: dinomyar: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: It's really quite simple. Americans, in general, don't like rich assholes. Mitt Romney is a rich asshole. He's every boss you've ever hated. Why would you pick him to be President?

Obama is also a rich asshole. So it boils down to, do you want a very succesful rich asshole, or do you want a moderately rich asshole? If I am going to have a rich asshole running things, I would rather have the very successful one.

This whole post just reeks of false equivalence.


Maybe Dinomyar is Mr. Stench's alt?
 
2012-09-27 02:18:53 PM  
I knew things were going south for Rmoney when he showed up at Cleveland rally wearing a Lebron James jersey
 
2012-09-27 02:58:04 PM  

dinomyar: rufus-t-firefly: The other got rich by destroying companies and exporting jobs.

The other got rich by fixing companies and keeping them in business and therefore keeping some people employed.

Fixed that for you.


George Romney got well paid for saving Kelvinator, Nash, Studebaker, and a few other auto companies by consolidating them into American Motors, and presciently cornered the small car niche in the early 1960s before the oil shocks of the 1970s. His son got rich by taking over companies and "harvesting" workers' pension funds for himself.Obama, a community activist, helping the poor got rich? Really? Really?

/Obama during the debates will say lots of good things about George Romney, and not only willl that make Romneybot's circuits divide by zero, it will remind people about World War II hero Poppy Bush and his son nicknamed Dubya. Miss Dubya yet?
 
2012-09-27 03:01:22 PM  
FTA: "You combine the 'let Detroit go bankrupt' quote with the '47 percent' remark and you create a pretty powerful narrative across the country, but especially in Ohio," Usher told TPM.

OMG. Another example of a left-wing liberal celebrity sticking his elitist nose into politics where it doesn't belong. Typical.
 
2012-09-27 03:04:56 PM  

dinomyar: Are you claiming that the rich are taking ILLEGAL exemptions? Why isn't the IRS investigating and prosecuting them?


Because it's easier to do that it is to catch. Like, a lot easier. If I wasn't honest, I could easily have filed tax returns (one of my jobs) that were outright lying on a lot of their deductions, and there would be no way for the IRS to have tracked it, or really, have noticed at all.
 
2012-09-27 03:26:41 PM  
FTFA Henderson dismissed the disparity in organizational size, suggesting that some of the Obama camp's offices are merely for show.
"If you drive past a lot of their headquarters, the lights are off.


I for one am not suprised that staff for Romney's campaign spend a lot of time circling Obama's offices.

Link
 
2012-09-27 03:43:49 PM  

Cymbal: pretty much all NE Ohio are very solidly Obama


Coulda fooled me.

/Akron-Canton area, surrounded by Repubs
 
2012-09-27 04:02:49 PM  
dinomyar:

Ok, I'm officially giving up on this asshole. I already had him farkied as "wilfully stupid, dumps copypasta "libertarian" derp into thread #7298074" so it's ignore time now. In that thread, it was a copy-paste of a Wayne Allyn Rootf article filled with some asshole's opinions. He was asking for a "rebuttle" with "ligitimate" reasons as to why some big threadshiat about "voting blocks" was wrong.

Of course, "rebuttles" were issued, at which point, he remained wilfully obtuse, claiming that any data presented was insufficient to overturn some asshole's opinions. You guys are wasting your time arguing anything with him, as you can see since he's successfully threadjacked an article about how Romney is failing in Ohio into a discussion of whether Obama takes deductions on his income taxes.
 
2012-09-27 04:10:21 PM  

MFL: dinomyar: Obama became president because the Democratic party was afraid of Hillary. They knew that she would not play the "good ol' boys games" and would actually bring change to the government

Obama became president because the lib media fell in love with him and decided to turn their cannon fodder on Hillary. The DNC actually wanted Hillary but who could resist all of the free advertising NBC, CBS, and ABC provided. It's that simple. The media made (and are still making) Obama. This guy is the obviosly the worst operational president we've seen in over a century but is somehow still popular because half of our country wants a prom king instead of a CEO.

Whoever wins this election will have a financial shiatstorm heading their way that the Fed has created. We know Obama has no farking answers and will flounder like a beached carp for the next 4 years.....but that Mitt Romney, it's bad news for him.


Since no one responded to your troll bait I will.

Cool Story Bro. I like how your post is strictly opinion with no facts or citations.

Vote Republican!
 
2012-09-27 04:24:55 PM  

dinomyar: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: how Obama became president.

Obama became president because the Democratic party was afraid of Hillary. They knew that she would not play the "good ol' boys games" and would actually bring change to the government. They had to find someone who could beat her and there was no one in the wings that could. But, they found this young African american that could talk a good talk and would play ball with the democrats, and they elevated him up to the position, not on his own merits, but because they didnt want Clinton.

In my opinion, Obama was not ready. He did not have enough experience and it showed. He let the democrats walk all over him at least the first year before he finally started taking charge.


Obama because president because people looked at "Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton" and saw a problem with that.
 
2012-09-27 04:25:50 PM  

phyrkrakr: dinomyar:

Ok, I'm officially giving up on this asshole. I already had him farkied as "wilfully stupid, dumps copypasta "libertarian" derp into thread #7298074" so it's ignore time now. In that thread, it was a copy-paste of a Wayne Allyn Rootf article filled with some asshole's opinions. He was asking for a "rebuttle" with "ligitimate" reasons as to why some big threadshiat about "voting blocks" was wrong.

Of course, "rebuttles" were issued, at which point, he remained wilfully obtuse, claiming that any data presented was insufficient to overturn some asshole's opinions. You guys are wasting your time arguing anything with him, as you can see since he's successfully threadjacked an article about how Romney is failing in Ohio into a discussion of whether Obama takes deductions on his income taxes.



No one gave me any legitimate rebuttels except their own derp. Nor did I ever state I agreed with this guys statements, just wanted to get other opinions.

I didnt threadjack the article. I responded to DeltaPunch.
 
2012-09-27 05:01:11 PM  
You have to give some of the credit to the republitard in the governor's office in Ohio. That boy opened up the eyes of a lot of people.
 
2012-09-27 05:01:28 PM  
How old is this Rmoney thing?! This is the first I'm hearing of it! I love it! But I'm outraged!!!

!
 
2012-09-27 06:00:32 PM  

dinomyar: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: how Obama became president.

Obama became president because the Democratic party was afraid of Hillary. They knew that she would not play the "good ol' boys games" and would actually bring change to the government. They had to find someone who could beat her and there was no one in the wings that could. But, they found this young African american that could talk a good talk and would play ball with the democrats, and they elevated him up to the position, not on his own merits, but because they didnt want Clinton.

In my opinion, Obama was not ready. He did not have enough experience and it showed. He let the democrats walk all over him at least the first year before he finally started taking charge.


So we can expect you to support Hillary in 2016 for president?
 
2012-09-27 08:39:58 PM  

MFL: Obama became president because the lib media fell in love with him and decided to turn their cannon fodder on Hillary.


Obama became President because he was more competent in every way than McCain. Once selected, the Senator from Arizona could not even pick a credible running mate. Both the Republican Pres candidate and Palin then turned their own cannons on themselves in a circular firing squad. The Democrats did not win, the Republicans lost. History will repeat.

Does anyone want to vote for Romney? Seriously?
 
2012-09-27 10:14:24 PM  

dinomyar: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: achieved success on his own merits

HA HA HA, good one. I hadn't had a good laugh today yet. Thanks.


Like Romney, Fark Conservatives do as much to generate good will and votes for Obama as Obama's own campaign. Thank you for this, dinomyar. I'm going to be voting for Obama with a big 'ol smile on my face knowing I'm voting for a candidate I actually like while all the Republicans will be choking back bile while they vote for their disaster of a candidate.
 
2012-09-28 02:35:47 AM  

DeltaPunch: The deadline to register to vote in Ohio is Oct. 9. Does that seem early to anyone? I'm not familiar with other states, and I understand you can't just suddenly register to vote the day of the election, but doesn't one month prior to election seem a little early?


In MA it's Oct. 17
 
2012-09-28 02:54:57 AM  

dinomyar: rufus-t-firefly: The other got rich by destroying companies and exporting jobs.

The other got rich by fixing companies and keeping them in business and therefore keeping some people employed.

Fixed that for you.


Wait, I thought the conservative line was that Obama never ran any kind of business?
 
2012-09-28 10:20:11 AM  

spongeboob: dinomyar: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: how Obama became president.

Obama became president because the Democratic party was afraid of Hillary. They knew that she would not play the "good ol' boys games" and would actually bring change to the government. They had to find someone who could beat her and there was no one in the wings that could. But, they found this young African american that could talk a good talk and would play ball with the democrats, and they elevated him up to the position, not on his own merits, but because they didnt want Clinton.

In my opinion, Obama was not ready. He did not have enough experience and it showed. He let the democrats walk all over him at least the first year before he finally started taking charge.

So we can expect you to support Hillary in 2016 for president?


I was supporting her in 2008, so maybe. Depends on who she runs against. You see, unlike most of the idiots on here, I actually have a brain and use it when determining who I will vote for. I do not vote along party lines, I analyze the candidates and determine who I think will do better under the current circumstances.

There was a poll a while back that said if there was an alien invasion, 70+% of people would want Obama as our leader. If I knew there was going to be an invasion next year, I would be for Obama. But, our current issue is the economy and way too bloated government, and Romney is the best person to take care of that.
 
2012-09-28 10:50:42 AM  

dinomyar: There was a poll a while back that said if there was an alien invasion, 70+% of people would want Obama as our leader. If I knew there was going to be an invasion next year, I would be for Obama. But, our current issue is the economy and way too bloated government, and Romney is the best person to take care of that.


And you've officially crossed over into hilarious territory. Thanks for not phoning it in anymore. This is quality material here.
 
2012-09-28 10:52:56 PM  

winterbraid: DeltaPunch: The deadline to register to vote in Ohio is Oct. 9. Does that seem early to anyone? I'm not familiar with other states, and I understand you can't just suddenly register to vote the day of the election, but doesn't one month prior to election seem a little early?

In MA it's Oct. 17


Early voting in Ohio starts on October 2nd. So between the 2nd and the 9th, someone can register and vote on the same day.
 
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