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(Fox News)   Army Brigadier General sent back stateside after being accused of sexual misconduct. He should have known better than to play with his Privates   (foxnews.com ) divider line
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2012-09-27 10:55:07 AM  

FuturePastNow: [imageshack.us image 400x300]

JEFFERY SINCLAIR NOOOOO


That was actually the first thought I had too.
 
2012-09-27 11:10:30 AM  

KiplingKat872: I'm pro-military (come from a military family) but they NEED to address this the massive issue in more comprehensive ways than they have. I'm sorry, but the numbers of women sexually assaulted in the military is sickening and should NOT be happening in the military of a civilized country.


A US military misconduct investigation in progress:

mormonstories.org
 
2012-09-27 11:12:23 AM  

RoxtarRyan: KiplingKat872: I'm pro-military (come from a military family) but they NEED to address this the massive issue in more comprehensive ways than they have. I'm sorry, but the numbers of women sexually assaulted in the military is sickening and should NOT be happening in the military of a civilized country.

When I deployed in 03, we were given in the briefing that, pulled from Army stats cause there were a lot more of them, 90% of reported sexual assaults were male-on-male.


Bravo Sierra.
 
2012-09-27 11:17:54 AM  

Shabash: varmitydog: Sadly, getting his unflattering picture spread across the internet is going to be the greatest punishment this guy faces. Military justice is even more skewed than civilian justice when it comes to who it is who did the crime--the higher in rank you are in the military the less the punishments are. The large variety of charges will allow the JAG folks to let him plea out to the least one. The worst punishment this guy will get is a single reduction in rank and then forced to retire; which means that he will still get full military benefits and five k a month for the rest of his life. And that's if they even do anything at all to him; they may catch some E-2 in a lie during the investigation and put them in jail for several years instead, and allow General Forcible Assfarker to get off scott free.

I dunno. I think the timing is really bad (for him). The Army leadership would probably love to show they're serious about stopping the abhorrent trend in sexual assaults. A court-martial and a stay at Leavenworth for someone guilty of that AND who's supposed to be setting the highest example would be a helluva good message to send.


The predators could counter that by going through the revolving door towards DynCorp, Halliburton or the CIA: no punishment there. You can deal drugs or swap child sex slaves there like baseball cards without fear of punishment; they are above the law, and have a rep for permanently silencing any military chain of command, IG, CID or MP types who try to interfere with them.
 
2012-09-27 11:24:29 AM  

Wodan11: dittybopper: Then again, too, this guy is only accused. A court martial will determine if he's actually guilty or not.

Not quite; it will determine if the officer panel votes a conviction (not the same thing as "actually guilty").


The same could be said for a civilian jury.
 
2012-09-27 11:28:46 AM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: RoxtarRyan: KiplingKat872: I'm pro-military (come from a military family) but they NEED to address this the massive issue in more comprehensive ways than they have. I'm sorry, but the numbers of women sexually assaulted in the military is sickening and should NOT be happening in the military of a civilized country.

When I deployed in 03, we were given in the briefing that, pulled from Army stats cause there were a lot more of them, 90% of reported sexual assaults were male-on-male.

Bravo Sierra.


Yeah, I gotta call that on this one also.

It sounds like the BS "city boys end up qualifying higher at the rifle range because they don't have to unlearn bad habits", which is something we were told in Basic, and it was actually 180 degrees wrong: All us country boys who grew up hunting and shooting all shot expert or high sharpshooter, and the city boys all shot marksman or low sharpshooter, with minor exceptions to both.
 
2012-09-27 11:34:08 AM  

dittybopper: AbbeySomeone: Predators usually get away with it because the victims are too intimidated to report it.

That, and the whole bending-light camouflage thing.


Stop it or I'll never get this coffee down.
 
2012-09-27 11:36:38 AM  

dittybopper: Wodan11: dittybopper: Then again, too, this guy is only accused. A court martial will determine if he's actually guilty or not.

Not quite; it will determine if the officer panel votes a conviction (not the same thing as "actually guilty").

The same could be said for a civilian jury.


Correct except the military court will also take into account "the needs of the service."
 
2012-09-27 11:37:24 AM  

dittybopper: BolshyGreatYarblocks: RoxtarRyan: KiplingKat872: I'm pro-military (come from a military family) but they NEED to address this the massive issue in more comprehensive ways than they have. I'm sorry, but the numbers of women sexually assaulted in the military is sickening and should NOT be happening in the military of a civilized country.

When I deployed in 03, we were given in the briefing that, pulled from Army stats cause there were a lot more of them, 90% of reported sexual assaults were male-on-male.

Bravo Sierra.

Yeah, I gotta call that on this one also.

It sounds like the BS "city boys end up qualifying higher at the rifle range because they don't have to unlearn bad habits", which is something we were told in Basic, and it was actually 180 degrees wrong: All us country boys who grew up hunting and shooting all shot expert or high sharpshooter, and the city boys all shot marksman or low sharpshooter, with minor exceptions to both.


That's 'cause the Army don't issue these:

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-27 11:52:51 AM  

Wodan11: dittybopper: Wodan11: dittybopper: Then again, too, this guy is only accused. A court martial will determine if he's actually guilty or not.

Not quite; it will determine if the officer panel votes a conviction (not the same thing as "actually guilty").

The same could be said for a civilian jury.

Correct except the military court will also take into account "the needs of the service."


Jury nullification. Happens in civilian juries as well, though of course the government tries to suppress it as much as possible, to the point of actually lying about it. Not as common, of course.

Also, from a defendants point of view, I've been told that if I'm actually guilty, I want to be in front of a civilian jury, and if I'm actually innocent, in front of a court martial. Might have been an old saw, of course, so take it for what it is worth.
 
2012-09-27 11:54:43 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: dittybopper: AbbeySomeone: Predators usually get away with it because the victims are too intimidated to report it.

That, and the whole bending-light camouflage thing.

Stop it or I'll never get this coffee down.


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You know, man, if we ever make it home, I'm going to do so much farking cocaine. I'm gonna post so many fine predator memes. I'll be like, "What time is it? After 5:00? Damn. Time to go post me some fine predator memes.
 
2012-09-27 12:12:41 PM  

dittybopper: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: dittybopper: AbbeySomeone: Predators usually get away with it because the victims are too intimidated to report it.

That, and the whole bending-light camouflage thing.

Stop it or I'll never get this coffee down.

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You know, man, if we ever make it home, I'm going to do so much farking cocaine. I'm gonna post so many fine predator memes. I'll be like, "What time is it? After 5:00? Damn. Time to go post me some fine predator memes.


Dammittohell! Now I gotta go put clean skivvies on.
 
2012-09-27 12:17:33 PM  

dittybopper: Jury nullification. Happens in civilian juries as well, though of course the government tries to suppress it as much as possible, to the point of actually lying about it. Not as common, of course.


Good luck with the jury nullification thing.

But anyway I didn't mean to imply that they will blatantly outweigh a preponderance of the evidence. They will take the needs of the service into account, simply that. If the case is arguable either way and possible to give the benefit of the doubt, the needs of the service will come into play and they'll decide that way.
 
2012-09-27 12:23:43 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: dittybopper: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: dittybopper: AbbeySomeone: Predators usually get away with it because the victims are too intimidated to report it.

That, and the whole bending-light camouflage thing.

Stop it or I'll never get this coffee down.

[i52.tinypic.com image 512x324]

You know, man, if we ever make it home, I'm going to do so much farking cocaine. I'm gonna post so many fine predator memes. I'll be like, "What time is it? After 5:00? Damn. Time to go post me some fine predator memes.

Dammittohell! Now I gotta go put clean skivvies on.


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When I was little, we found skivvies. They looked like - like, skidmarked. The old woman in the village crossed themselves... and whispered crazy things, strange things. "El Diablo ríe quienes los suelos su ropa interior" Only in the dumbest Fark threads this happens. And this thread, it grows dumb. We begin finding our briefs. We found them sometimes without their elastics... and sometimes much, much worse. "El Diablo ríe quienes los suelos su ropa interior" means the laughing demon who soils underwear.
 
2012-09-27 12:26:14 PM  

dittybopper: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: dittybopper: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: dittybopper: AbbeySomeone: Predators usually get away with it because the victims are too intimidated to report it.

That, and the whole bending-light camouflage thing.

Stop it or I'll never get this coffee down.

[i52.tinypic.com image 512x324]

You know, man, if we ever make it home, I'm going to do so much farking cocaine. I'm gonna post so many fine predator memes. I'll be like, "What time is it? After 5:00? Damn. Time to go post me some fine predator memes.

Dammittohell! Now I gotta go put clean skivvies on.

[img212.imageshack.us image 720x382]

When I was little, we found skivvies. They looked like - like, skidmarked. The old woman in the village crossed themselves... and whispered crazy things, strange things. "El Diablo ríe quienes los suelos su ropa interior" Only in the dumbest Fark threads this happens. And this thread, it grows dumb. We begin finding our briefs. We found them sometimes without their elastics... and sometimes much, much worse. "El Diablo ríe quienes los suelos su ropa interior" means the laughing demon who soils underwear.


I thought "Chonies" was Spanish for "Skivvies". :)
 
2012-09-27 12:27:17 PM  

Wodan11: dittybopper: Jury nullification. Happens in civilian juries as well, though of course the government tries to suppress it as much as possible, to the point of actually lying about it. Not as common, of course.

Good luck with the jury nullification thing.

But anyway I didn't mean to imply that they will blatantly outweigh a preponderance of the evidence. They will take the needs of the service into account, simply that. If the case is arguable either way and possible to give the benefit of the doubt, the needs of the service will come into play and they'll decide that way.


That can also work against you. Just ask Eddie Slovik.
 
2012-09-27 12:28:02 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I thought "Chonies" was Spanish for "Skivvies". :)


I used Google translate, since my second language is Morse, not Spanish.
 
2012-09-27 12:44:57 PM  

dittybopper: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I thought "Chonies" was Spanish for "Skivvies". :)

I used Google translate, since my second language is Morse, not Spanish.


Teh Googles is right, chonies is being slang.
 
2012-09-27 12:56:01 PM  

RoxtarRyan: When I deployed in 03, we were given in the briefing that, pulled from Army stats cause there were a lot more of them, 90% of reported sexual assaults were male-on-male.


Well that gay ban wasn't going to justify itself.
 
2012-09-27 01:00:35 PM  
"faces possible courts martial on charges that include forced sex, wrongful sexual conduct, violating an order, possessing pornography and alcohol while deployed, and misusing a government travel charge card and filing fraudulent claims."


What, was the word rape being "forcefully sodomized" while this was being written?
 
2012-09-27 01:19:28 PM  
Forcible Sodomy, now the Sod includes the oral and the anal and a whole host of non-standard sexual intercourse. I think we need to know just what this scoundrel did by force.

Forced cunnilingus? Just pushed those knees apart and started slobbering on her dainty like a mastiff with a bowl of ice cream?

Or perhaps he kicked in the back door like the Delta boys taking down an Al Qaida safe house?
 
2012-09-27 01:33:46 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Forcible Sodomy, now the Sod includes the oral and the anal and a whole host of non-standard sexual intercourse.


Kneel before Sod!
 
2012-09-27 01:35:09 PM  
Shabash: I dunno. I think the timing is really bad (for him). The Army leadership would probably love to show they're serious about stopping the abhorrent trend in sexual assaults. A court-martial and a stay at Leavenworth for someone guilty of that AND who's supposed to be setting the highest example would be a helluva good message to send.

I seriously doubt that the Army would be willing to make an example of one of their generals, especially in a lurid sex crimes case. The American army nowadays has more PR experts than weapons experts, and everyone of them would consider it a nightmare if every time they turned on the television there was hordes of talking heads discussing how one of their generals anal raped somebody.

ronaprhys: Not necessarily - if they decide he committed that crime and it's public, they'll come down on him hard

If they do it would be a major change in American military policy. This must have been some really bad serious crime for them to make it public in the first place and your scenario might come true if it is really awful, but IMO all they are going to do now is to make it go away.
Making an example of him does not make it go away.
 
2012-09-27 01:52:21 PM  

varmitydog: Making an example of him does not make it go away.


I thought making an example of him was making it go away. That is, if by "it" you mean this sexual predator of a General.

Used to be the UCMJ allowed the death penalty for rape, and while I know this guy wouldn't swing for it, they could lock him up for a good long while. Army PA goons could spin it as house-cleaning for a newer, better, faster, leaner, feel-gooder Army. TROOPS! Real soon we're going to be ass-deep in vets with the PTSD getting into all manner of trouble (embarrassing and expensive), not to mention the exorbitant cost of caring for all the partial and total disabilities that will be with us for decades. The military's going to have to show it's taking care of problems like this guy if they want to keep the public's sympathy, and by sympathy I mean funding. It's no goddamn good, but they'll be some bureaucrat's sacrificial lamb to balance a budget. There'll be so many around that people will stop seeing them as wounded patriots and start seeing them as a drain on our resources. It won't be their fault, but that's how it'll go. When all the yellow ribbons have faded to grey, Iraq is annexed to Iran, and the Taliban is back in charge of Afghanistan, it'll happen.
 
2012-09-27 01:58:07 PM  

varmitydog: I seriously doubt that the Army would be willing to make an example of one of their generals, especially in a lurid sex crimes case.


Link
 
2012-09-27 02:04:41 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: varmitydog: I seriously doubt that the Army would be willing to make an example of one of their generals, especially in a lurid sex crimes case.

Link


Only suspended, and only to hide the responsibility of those higher up the chain. The only reason they addressed Abu Ghraib with that sham trial at all is because the press got a hold of those pictures and it came to the awareness of the civilian public. If they had not, it would have gone on or been swept under the rug.
 
2012-09-27 02:23:23 PM  

KiplingKat872: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: varmitydog: I seriously doubt that the Army would be willing to make an example of one of their generals, especially in a lurid sex crimes case.

Link

Only suspended, and only to hide the responsibility of those higher up the chain. The only reason they addressed Abu Ghraib with that sham trial at all is because the press got a hold of those pictures and it came to the awareness of the civilian public. If they had not, it would have gone on or been swept under the rug.


Oh I agree. She got shafted, only to take the heat off higher-ups. However as dittybopper related higher up in the thread, "...I've been told that if I'm actually guilty, I want to be in front of a civilian jury, and if I'm actually innocent, in front of a court martial."
 
2012-09-27 03:14:36 PM  

doglover: The recurring theme of every story of military, both real and fictional, is that officers suck.

This one happened to be a rapist, which indeed should be punishable by death after court martial, but trying to iron the fail out of an army's chain of command is going to be about as successful as a land war in Asia.


Showing the troops that you investigate, prosecute, and punish is certainly a worthy goal even if it is not 100% effective. Don't you think?
 
2012-09-27 06:34:14 PM  
Oh I agree. She got shafted, only to take the heat off higher-ups. However as dittybopper related higher up in the thread, "...I've been told that if I'm actually guilty, I want to be in front of a civilian jury, and if I'm actually innocent, in front of a court martial."

COL Karpinski got shafted? Have you read the Taguba report? The only injustice is that the entire chain of command wasn't drummed out of the Army. That entire unit, from COL Karpinski down, was broken and leaderless.
 
2012-09-27 06:56:10 PM  

DontBeThatGuy: Oh I agree. She got shafted, only to take the heat off higher-ups. However as dittybopper related higher up in the thread, "...I've been told that if I'm actually guilty, I want to be in front of a civilian jury, and if I'm actually innocent, in front of a court martial."

COL Karpinski got shafted? Have you read the Taguba report? The only injustice is that the entire chain of command wasn't drummed out of the Army. That entire unit, from COL Karpinski down, was broken and leaderless.


She was guilty, but justice wasn't served. If the rest of the guilty don't go down, you have a scapegoat. She was the Lt. Calley of Iraq. Her and the helmless enlisted. I blame the NCOs also, because they should have known better.
 
2012-09-27 08:02:56 PM  

The Muthaship: When in Rome....


Do what the Catholic Bishops do?
 
2012-09-28 01:05:39 AM  

ScottRiqui: TheHumanCannonball: It's a crime to just be in the possession of alcohol or pornography while deployed? I could understand displaying/consuming in inappropriate situations, but man, that's a shiatty way to live.

That's not a military-wide rule for ALL deployed service members worldwide. The rule they're talking about is "General Order 1B", published by CENTCOM. It disallows alcohol in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq (with certain exceptions). Pornography is disallowed throughout the CENTCOM area of responsibility (again, with exceptions).


Idk, the Romanian unit attached with our field hospital kept leaving their playboys lying around.

/Only read it for the articles.
//Didn't understand any of it since it was printed in Romanian as well.
 
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