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2012-09-27 10:01:03 AM  
www.startrek.com 

approves
 
2012-09-27 11:24:37 AM  
imagenes.levelup.com

approves

/wait
 
2012-09-27 11:56:51 AM  
I have a Galaxy Nexus and it is glorious.
 
2012-09-27 12:41:30 PM  

Beerguy: I have a Galaxy Nexus and it is glorious.


I have a Samsung Galaxy S with unremovable AT&T bloatware and it's awful.

This week's cool trick, if you spend more then 10 seconds looking at something before you take a picture it locks the controls. To unlock you have to hit the power button, but if you press that button for to long, the phone turns off instead.

Tried to take some pictures of my kids while I was out last weekend, wound up unintentionally rebooting the phone half a dozen times. Too many reboots in a row and it trashed the microSD card.

Still, I'm not moving to an iPhone until they implement a call reject list.
 
2012-09-27 12:51:01 PM  
Has anyone rooted and installed Jelly Bean on a Galaxy SIII? What was your experience with a clean install of Android?

One of the guys I work with said he did it...and after he worked through a few quirks, he said it worked great. I'm due to upgrade soon and I'm NOT getting the iPhone 5 (currently on my 2nd iPhone)....so that leaves Windows (Lumia 920) or an Android phone.
 
2012-09-27 01:21:39 PM  

slayer199: Has anyone rooted and installed Jelly Bean on a Galaxy SIII? What was your experience with a clean install of Android?

One of the guys I work with said he did it...and after he worked through a few quirks, he said it worked great. I'm due to upgrade soon and I'm NOT getting the iPhone 5 (currently on my 2nd iPhone)....so that leaves Windows (Lumia 920) or an Android phone.


If you can wait a few more months, there might be a new Nexus coming out.

/one can hope
//also have a 4S
///would love a 920
 
2012-09-27 01:22:06 PM  
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2012-09-27 01:24:32 PM  
CyanogenMod. That is all.
 
2012-09-27 01:27:14 PM  
I predict many benchmarks and asinine arguments for this thread.
 
2012-09-27 01:28:02 PM  
companies that have failed to upgrade their customers' Gingerbread devices to Honeycomb

Yeah, you lost me there. Honeycomb was a tablet-only release, and an epic clusterfark of one at that (google never released hte source, because it was ashamed of how much of a cobbled-together mess it was), so it was by design that no GB devices upgraded to it.

Except the HTC Flyer, which exactly one person bought.
 
2012-09-27 01:29:59 PM  

NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.


The problem there is that the carrier doesn't have to support a rooted phone. In fact, they can void your warranty too. They do have to support a stock Nexus device.
 
2012-09-27 01:30:55 PM  

Beerguy: I have a Galaxy Nexus and it is glorious.


This.

NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.


And this.

JB is wonderful stock, but CM10 is amazing.
 
2012-09-27 01:32:27 PM  
When's the last time you saw an iPhone commercial that talked about iOS?

Every ad about Siri.
 
2012-09-27 01:32:53 PM  

BullBearMS: NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.

The problem there is that the carrier doesn't have to support a rooted phone. In fact, they can void your warranty too. They do have to support a stock Nexus device.


Then don't install a custom ROM. Isn't choice a wonderful thing?

And what 'support' do you need from your carrier? Repair/replacement service? Just re-flash back to the stock ROM before you bring it in.
 
2012-09-27 01:34:28 PM  

ChubbyTiger: Beerguy: I have a Galaxy Nexus and it is glorious.

This.

NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.

And this.

JB is wonderful stock, but CM10 is amazing.


Ya, I have CM10 running on a Galaxy I, a 3 year old phone. Runs better than it ever has.
 
2012-09-27 01:36:13 PM  
Yeah, this is one thing I've never understood about Android and things like bloat ware, or no updates.

People always say "It's not Google's fault, blame the carriers!"

Is there any particular reason Google couldn't say "If you want our OS you have to allow updates when we push them out, and you have to allow removal of bloat or you can Fark off."

The carrier shouldn't even have a say when it comes to updates. I'm not understanding why this is still an issue. So what's going on? Why do all iOS devices get OTA updates simultaneously regardless of whether they are on AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc but not Android?

These carriers need to Fark off. The only thing that should be happening is "Google releases new Android OS. Update checker sees if your hardware is capable of running it. If yes, offer update." And nothing else.
 
2012-09-27 01:36:50 PM  

Beerguy: I have a Galaxy Nexus and it is glorious.


I agree. I specifically bought it because I was sick of all the crap that came on my AT&T phone. And I love it.

This needs to be high priority, Google. I know many people who've switched from Android to iPhone because they were tired of running an OS that was two major versions behind, and that had tons of uninstallable crap preinstalled.
 
2012-09-27 01:37:25 PM  

NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.


It was awesome on my OG Droid... Haven't gotten around to flashing it on my Gnex.

How are the nightlies?

/Currently switching between BB and AOKP.
 
2012-09-27 01:38:16 PM  
Had Google done this from the start I'd not have gone from Android to iOS. I don't want to root the phone. I don't want half the stuff on the phone to be useless for-pay programs I can't delete. I just want to get stuff done and not have to wonder if I'll ever see an OS update or if program X will work on my device.
 
2012-09-27 01:39:23 PM  

NutznGum: BullBearMS: NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.

The problem there is that the carrier doesn't have to support a rooted phone. In fact, they can void your warranty too. They do have to support a stock Nexus device.

Then don't install a custom ROM. Isn't choice a wonderful thing?

And what 'support' do you need from your carrier? Repair/replacement service? Just re-flash back to the stock ROM before you bring it in.


So your device just happens to always be farked up in just such a way that flashing still works?

If you want support and the current OS, then a Nexus device is your only choice.
 
2012-09-27 01:39:29 PM  

ChubbyTiger: NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.

And this.

JB is wonderful stock, but CM10 is amazing.


If you have a root your phone to make it usable - perhaps you bought the wrong phone to begin with?
 
2012-09-27 01:40:00 PM  

enik: I know many people who've switched from Android to iPhone because they were tired of running an OS that was two major versions behind, and that had tons of uninstallable crap preinstalled.


Heh, I should have just quoted you. I'm one of these people. Not that you know me, but that's why I went to an iPhone 4 from my Android handset. The OS was never even close to current, it was buggy from all the farking around from the maker and carrier, and has anybody anywhere ever actually used that for-pay AT&T Maps application? Then why the hell is it there?
 
2012-09-27 01:40:49 PM  

Beerguy: I have a Galaxy Nexus and it is glorious.


+1. LOOOOOOOVE it. Even though I had to jump through hoops to bring it here (buying it in-country from a cell phone operator cost USD800. Had to get someone in the USA buy it for me (350+tax) and someone else to smuggle it, but it was SOOO WORTH IT).
 
2012-09-27 01:41:19 PM  

BullBearMS: NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.

The problem there is that the carrier doesn't have to support a rooted phone. In fact, they can void your warranty too. They do have to support a stock Nexus device.


Keep farking that chicken Link.
 
2012-09-27 01:43:34 PM  

enik:
I agree. I specifically bought it because I was sick of all the crap that came on my AT&T phone. And I love it.

This needs to be high priority, Google. I know many people who've switched from Android to iPhone because they were tired of running an OS that was two major versions behind, and that had tons of uninstallable crap preinstalled.


That's where I was back in December... I had pretty much decided on the iPhone before checking out, and ultimately getting the Gnex. Pretty happy with it overall.

...not as happy with Verizon.
 
2012-09-27 01:46:44 PM  

digistil: If you can wait a few more months, there might be a new Nexus coming out.


I can wait a few more months...

Initially, I was waiting for the iPhone 5 (I was leaning Android) ...but I was less than impressed. The Lumia may be impressive but there aren't a lot of apps yet. Microsoft will probably have to give these phones away to get any traction. I settled on the Samsung Galaxy SIII, but I found myself waiting for it to be released with Jelly Bean. Now I find out that the mini-Connected feature on my new car won't work with the new iPhone OR Android (though BMW is partnering with Samsung to fix that after the first of the year)...and suddenly I'm in no hurry to get a new phone as my iPhone 4 will be sufficient for awhile.
 
2012-09-27 01:49:08 PM  
FTFA: Given all the Android skins like Pure Breeze and Sense and TouchWiz, and all the companies that have failed to upgrade their customers' Gingerbread devices to Honeycomb,

And that's where I stopped reading

/hint: Honeycomb was tablet-exclusive; there's not a single phone that has ever or will ever run it, because it was never designed for phones
//hint: You might want to hire writers who know a damn thing about tech to write about tech
 
2012-09-27 01:51:41 PM  
My wife was looking for a mid-sized tablet, mostly as a device to interface with her work calendar, email, and other stuff. She was originally looking at an iPad but ended up getting a Nexus 7 directly from Google. At $200, it's a hell of a lot cheaper than the iPad.

Bloody hell, is it awesome. I may well have to get one of my own.
 
2012-09-27 01:54:03 PM  

Desquamation: NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.

It was awesome on my OG Droid... Haven't gotten around to flashing it on my Gnex.

How are the nightlies?

/Currently switching between BB and AOKP.


The nightlies are excellent, very polished. I think we'll see a release candidate soon. I'm running a nightly and using it on my 'everyday' phone. Its rock solid.
 
2012-09-27 01:55:01 PM  
After using the Nexus 7, I can't wait for the next Nexus phone.
 
2012-09-27 01:55:17 PM  

gingerjet: ChubbyTiger: NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.

And this.

JB is wonderful stock, but CM10 is amazing.

If you have a root your phone to make it usable - perhaps you bought the wrong phone to begin with?


Funny, I didn't see the word 'unusable' in any of the above mentioned posts.
 
2012-09-27 01:59:48 PM  
Everyone seems to disregard the amount of money made off Sense, TouchWiz, Blur, etc. Most people do not care. I rooted my phone and the only thing I did was delete bloatware. Yeah I installed Wireless Tether and some other shiat I've never used, but it's really quite useless.

Oh and CyanogenMod is dumb as hell. There are too many models to support, so you have to buy the most popular phone. The version that came out for my phone disabled the camera, decreased call quality and disabled some keyboard buttons, according to the people who made it.
 
2012-09-27 02:00:37 PM  

NutznGum: I'm running a nightly and using it on my 'everyday' phone.


The hell's the other one? Your phone for Wednesdays?
 
2012-09-27 02:00:38 PM  

enik: Beerguy: I have a Galaxy Nexus and it is glorious.

I agree. I specifically bought it because I was sick of all the crap that came on my AT&T phone. And I love it.

This needs to be high priority, Google. I know many people who've switched from Android to iPhone because they were tired of running an OS that was two major versions behind, and that had tons of uninstallable crap preinstalled.


That's me. I hate all the stupid shiat like alternative music stores, app stores, farking social hub bollocks that Android phones ship with. Aside from generally being shiat for music it is my number one gripe with Android, crapware, bloatware and suchlike. It annoys EVERYBODY.

Arguably the biggest innovation with iPhone was Apple taking over the phone feature set and what have you. I was astounded to learn that carriers used to decide what went into a phone. It's like having fuel companies dictate what goes in cars. An utterly preposterous business model that the carriers still haven't truly rectified as they still can't run farking data networks properly without having them grind to a halt in major population centres. Google's biggest problem is that it doesn't lock down and control Android. I assume that the purchase of Motorola is to fix that. I imagine that they'll integrate Chrome OS and Android as a 'Google OS' and leave the rest to die. God knows they should.

And Android tablets are even worse. They are an unmitigated disaster. I've had a Dell Streak, HTC Flyer, ASUS Eeepad and Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 and they've all been so shockingly bad it is still making me angry now. There isn't a herd of wild horses that could get me to swap from iPad now.
 
2012-09-27 02:00:41 PM  

Desquamation: ...not as happy with Verizon.


Verizon is about a bajillion times better than AT&T, at least in NYC.
 
2012-09-27 02:01:54 PM  

BullBearMS: NutznGum: BullBearMS: NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.

The problem there is that the carrier doesn't have to support a rooted phone. In fact, they can void your warranty too. They do have to support a stock Nexus device.

Then don't install a custom ROM. Isn't choice a wonderful thing?

And what 'support' do you need from your carrier? Repair/replacement service? Just re-flash back to the stock ROM before you bring it in.

So your device just happens to always be farked up in just such a way that flashing still works?

If you want support and the current OS, then a Nexus device is your only choice.


If the phone isn't flashable then its a brick, you'd be getting a replacement phone. If it won't turn on, how will they know what you have running on it?

And I have yet to meet someone who was told their warranty was voided because of rooting/jailbreaking, iPhones and Androids included.
 
2012-09-27 02:02:09 PM  
This actually is something I know a lot about (so I'm getting a kick, etc...). I was at a mobile app development house for a while (a friend's startup).

Writing for iOS is trivial - it, to borrow the phrase, "just works". If you want to target iOS and write your app for iOS version 4 or better, you cover something like 95% of the market. To get to even 90% of the market for Android, you have to write your app for 4.0, 2.3.3, and 2.2. While that's only three versions, it means you have to hit the lowest common version, which is 2.2, which is ancient by tech standards. You also have the problem of wildly different screen sizes and resolutions, different hardware configurations, different processor speeds, different amounts of memory, plus God knows what put on their by the mobile carrier. It's a massive PITA.

Actually, when I was working in the mobile app space, it wasn't three versions of Android to hit 90% of the market, it was like five, including some truly ancient versions.

The upshot is that while plenty of people use Android, and even do smart-phoney things on it like surf the web and read email, they purchase and use apps considerably less than iOS users. Sure, there are more iOS apps, but not that many more. The problem is that half of the apps you want to use aren't compatible with your device for hardware or software reasons. I own a Nexus 7 (the tablet) and several apps that I really want to use (Machninarium comes to mind) simply won't work on that device. It's infuriating and it's why iOS has far more app revenue than any of the major Android app stores (oh, and yeah, there are different Android app stores, which doesn't help).

Also also, what the hell 2K Games? You've released Civilization Revolution for XBox, PlayStation, Nintendo DS, iOS, Windows Goddamn Phone, but you won't release it for Android? WHY???
 
2012-09-27 02:04:38 PM  

moothemagiccow: NutznGum: I'm running a nightly and using it on my 'everyday' phone.

The hell's the other one? Your phone for Wednesdays?


I phrased that poorly, I really meant to say its stable enough to use everyday.
 
2012-09-27 02:06:07 PM  

Grither: Verizon is about a bajillion times better than AT&T, at least in NYC.


Though to be fair, it's only because CDMA has better building penetrationg than GSM.
 
2012-09-27 02:07:50 PM  

moothemagiccow: Everyone seems to disregard the amount of money made off Sense, TouchWiz, Blur, etc. Most people do not care. I rooted my phone and the only thing I did was delete bloatware. Yeah I installed Wireless Tether and some other shiat I've never used, but it's really quite useless.

Oh and CyanogenMod is dumb as hell. There are too many models to support, so you have to buy the most popular phone. The version that came out for my phone disabled the camera, decreased call quality and disabled some keyboard buttons, according to the people who made it.


What model do you have? I've never had any issues with CM, all of the features work in my phone and its a 3 year old model that's been discontinued.
 
2012-09-27 02:09:19 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Also also, what the hell 2K Games? You've released Civilization Revolution for XBox, PlayStation, Nintendo DS, iOS, Windows Goddamn Phone, but you won't release it for Android? WHY???


Either they think that Java is garbage or porting it into Java is not worth the revenue.
 
2012-09-27 02:10:42 PM  

Lord Dimwit: To get to even 90% of the market for Android, you have to write your app for 4.0, 2.3.3, and 2.2. While that's only three versions, it means you have to hit the lowest common version, which is 2.2, which is ancient by tech standards. You also have the problem of wildly different screen sizes and resolutions, different hardware configurations, different processor speeds, different amounts of memory, plus God knows what put on their by the mobile carrier. It's a massive PITA.


Here's the fine print for Major League Baseball's official Android app:

dl.dropbox.com 

Translation:

Check the list of supported devices to see if you're one of the lucky few!

Our app requires Flash.

Flash is no longer supported and cannot be downloaded from Adobe anymore.

We have no idea if our app will work on your device. Let us know if it does!
 
2012-09-27 02:11:05 PM  
I'd love it if Google kicked the carriers out of the OS loop. All the carriers do is introduce crappy bloatware and marginalize devices that they've decided aren't profitable enough.

I have a jailbroken iPhone 4 still running iOS 4.01. No compelling reasons to update it at all. I rarely download new apps for it, but it does work consistently for what I want it to do, except for some problems with the home button that I just need to take it in to the Mac store to fix.

My girlfriend has a Samsung Infuse 4G, which I would not recommend at all. It's stuck on old versions of the OS because AT&T has decided not to release any updates for it, and there's no CyanogenMod for that particular device, just variants and ports that don't work well. I have bricked the phone several times trying to get them to work, and I've never had any problem jailbreaking devices in the past. I had to flash the stock ROM back, and ever since, the Market has problems downloading new software consistently. All in all, a terrible experience.

In contrast, I have a Motorola Xoom tablet, which is fantastic. It's a well-supported device, and running the newest version of the basic operating system at all times. It might be getting a bit long in the tooth, but it works well for everything I want it to do, bar loading and scrolling PDFs a bit slowly. The only hiccups I ever have are with script-heavy, non-mobile web sites causing crashes in the Dolphin browser.
 
2012-09-27 02:11:35 PM  

gingerjet: ChubbyTiger: NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.

And this.

JB is wonderful stock, but CM10 is amazing.

If you have a root your phone to make it usable - perhaps you bought the wrong phone to begin with?


Did you not see the "JB is wonderful stock" part of my comment? JB = Jelly Bean (aka Android 4.1), btw. My phone is great in it's original form, but it performs even better, with more features, rooted and ROMed.

If you cannot root your phone to play with it, perhaps you bought the wrong phone to begin with?
 
2012-09-27 02:14:30 PM  

moothemagiccow:

Oh and CyanogenMod is dumb as hell. There are too many models to support, so you have to buy the most popular phone. The version that came out for my phone disabled the camera, decreased call quality and disabled some keyboard buttons, according to the people who made it.


Support does differ from model to model, and it's usually better for popular models. Doublecheck the forums before commiting to rooting your device.
 
2012-09-27 02:19:18 PM  

imashark: Lord Dimwit: Also also, what the hell 2K Games? You've released Civilization Revolution for XBox, PlayStation, Nintendo DS, iOS, Windows Goddamn Phone, but you won't release it for Android? WHY???

Either they think that Java is garbage or porting it into Java is not worth the revenue.


You can run native apps on Android; the app I wrote had a native component. You can write apps in Java, but you don't have to.
 
2012-09-27 02:19:20 PM  
I have a 2-year old Droid X. Was due for new phone in June but used it to get my gf an iPhone 4S for her birthday. Now she's about due for upgrade and I'm going to use it.

Was originally thinking S3 as I don't feel compelled to get iPhone 5, but at this point I'm pretty much going between the Galaxy Nexus or whatever the next Nexus phone is.

For those of you who might have more of a finger on the smartphone pulse, is it realistic to expect this to be announced/released before December? I don't mind waiting a couple months because my old droid is still working fine, but if it won't be until March 2013 I'll probably just get the older Nexus.

I love my Nexus 7, first non-iPad tablet I used and opened my eyes to the beauty of Android OS without verizon/whoever's bloat and "improvements". Man is that thing slick and responsive even when I've got Youtube open for a game vid, FPSe running a PS1 game, and GameFAQs on the browser and constantly switching between the 3 windows (damn you Final Fantasy 9 chocographs). I want this capability in phone-size now.
 
2012-09-27 02:34:00 PM  

Electromax: is it realistic to expect this to be announced/released before December


Hard to say. If I were to put a really rough number on it, I'd guess 33% chance of release. The thing is the GeNex isn't exactly new, so it seems like they've got to release something soon. But on the other hand, JB just came out and Google tends to release Nexus devices with a new OS.
 
2012-09-27 02:39:56 PM  

emocomputerjock: moothemagiccow:

Oh and CyanogenMod is dumb as hell. There are too many models to support, so you have to buy the most popular phone. The version that came out for my phone disabled the camera, decreased call quality and disabled some keyboard buttons, according to the people who made it.

Support does differ from model to model, and it's usually better for popular models. Doublecheck the forums before commiting to rooting your device.


I ran into some trouble this way. Got an Incredible 4G when they came out, as I really like the 8960 chipset. Unlocked the HTC bootloader through htcdev.com. Then later the time came for Mrs. Anomaly to get a new phone. Got one like it. Now htcdev.com doesn't allow the Inc4G bootloader to be unlocked because Verizon doesn't want it to be.

Now she has Titanium backups she can't restore. Nobody's "hacked" it yet (as of a week or two ago). Oy.
 
2012-09-27 02:42:32 PM  

Grither: Desquamation: ...not as happy with Verizon.

Verizon is about a bajillion times better than AT&T, at least in NYC.


It's not their service I have a problem with (their service for the most part is great in Detroit) it's their handling of the Nexus.

I was shocked that VZW actually got Google to go along with allowing some of Verizon's crap apps to be included in the supposedly stock OS.

They're also not exactly quick with the updates either... JB was finally pushed out, what, last week? It had been made available for the GSM Nexus months ago.
 
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