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2012-09-27 02:42:23 PM  
A country of overweight slobs born and bred on instant gratification can't be bothered to wait 90 minutes for a goal to be scored?

Baloney, says I.
 
2012-09-27 02:52:56 PM  

greenboy: IAmRight: greenboy: ***snip***

The only impressive stat of a home run is how far they hit it. It makes sportscenter for some reason, but i can't think of what makes it special.


It is arguably the hardest thing to do in pro sports. The size of the bat and ball and pitch variability are not found in the same combination in any other sport. And that is hitting in general, home runs are just a byproduct of hitting the ball beyond a certain distance between the foul poles.

That is not to say it is the most athletic feat in sport at all, just the degree of difficulty is higher than any single action that occurs in the "normal" course of a competition.

//By normal, I mean things like full court shots in basketball or goals by the goalie in soccer or hockey are more difficult, but do not occur in the normal course of a game, they are special circumstances.
 
2012-09-27 02:55:05 PM  

That is not to say it is the most athletic feat in sport at all, just the degree of difficulty is higher than any single action that occurs in the "normal" course of a competition


Scoring a hundred in test cricket. Although not a "single action".
 
2012-09-27 03:00:32 PM  

drewogatory: That is not to say it is the most athletic feat in sport at all, just the degree of difficulty is higher than any single action that occurs in the "normal" course of a competition

Scoring a hundred in test cricket. Although not a "single action".


I know nothing about cricket, but I would think that would be more like a no hitter or perfect game.
 
2012-09-27 03:03:15 PM  

roc6783: greenboy: IAmRight: greenboy: ***snip***

The only impressive stat of a home run is how far they hit it. It makes sportscenter for some reason, but i can't think of what makes it special.

It is arguably the hardest thing to do in pro sports. The size of the bat and ball and pitch variability are not found in the same combination in any other sport. And that is hitting in general, home runs are just a byproduct of hitting the ball beyond a certain distance between the foul poles.

That is not to say it is the most athletic feat in sport at all, just the degree of difficulty is higher than any single action that occurs in the "normal" course of a competition.

//By normal, I mean things like full court shots in basketball or goals by the goalie in soccer or hockey are more difficult, but do not occur in the normal course of a game, they are special circumstances.


Yes, i agree that it is hard, but what makes one homerun any different than another? your standard baseball fan isnt' going to say hey, he hit a homer off a 98mph rising fastball. Sportscenter certainly isn't specifying why it is any more special than another home run.
The intrinsic difficulty of hitting a homer is not lost on me, just the uniqueness of each one
 
2012-09-27 03:04:37 PM  

roc6783: greenboy: IAmRight: greenboy: ***snip***

The only impressive stat of a home run is how far they hit it. It makes sportscenter for some reason, but i can't think of what makes it special.

It is arguably the hardest thing to do in pro sports. The size of the bat and ball and pitch variability are not found in the same combination in any other sport. And that is hitting in general, home runs are just a byproduct of hitting the ball beyond a certain distance between the foul poles.

That is not to say it is the most athletic feat in sport at all, just the degree of difficulty is higher than any single action that occurs in the "normal" course of a competition.

//By normal, I mean things like full court shots in basketball or goals by the goalie in soccer or hockey are more difficult, but do not occur in the normal course of a game, they are special circumstances.


and 99.99% of the time, goals by a goalie are flukes due to bad positioning or judgement by the opposing keeper. See Tim howards goald last season against bolton.
 
2012-09-27 03:05:32 PM  

rorypk: I just wish ESPN would stop shoving soccer down our throats. Every top ten has at least three indistinguishable goals scored from twenty feet out.



I do hate how ESPN does this.  Did you notice this summer a ton of lacrosse highlights hitting the top ten lists and the like?  I assume they picked up some lacrosse contract this summer?
 
2012-09-27 03:09:40 PM  

drewogatory: That is not to say it is the most athletic feat in sport at all, just the degree of difficulty is higher than any single action that occurs in the "normal" course of a competition

Scoring a hundred in test cricket. Although not a "single action".


Oh please...This guy made it look easy

www.khaama.com
 
2012-09-27 03:10:02 PM  

roc6783: drewogatory: That is not to say it is the most athletic feat in sport at all, just the degree of difficulty is higher than any single action that occurs in the "normal" course of a competition

Scoring a hundred in test cricket. Although not a "single action".

I know nothing about cricket, but I would think that would be more like a no hitter or perfect game.


Uh, probably more like going 4 for 4. Not nearly as rare as a no hitter or perfect game, that's more like a double century in frequency. The record is 400 not out by Brian Lara who faced an insane 546 deliveries.
 
2012-09-27 03:18:53 PM  
In related news, Justin Bieber has sold ten times as many records as Led Zeppelin.

/Go Timbers
 
2012-09-27 03:24:44 PM  

TonnageVT: drewogatory: That is not to say it is the most athletic feat in sport at all, just the degree of difficulty is higher than any single action that occurs in the "normal" course of a competition

Scoring a hundred in test cricket. Although not a "single action".

Oh please...This guy made it look easy

[www.khaama.com image 300x300]


Because he's some kind of android I think. A one day double century? That's ludicrous.
 
2012-09-27 03:30:06 PM  

js34603: So, not a soccer person, but isn't the MLS pretty much the minor leagues of soccer? Like aren't all the best players and teams in other countries and leagues?

I mean if you put minor league baseball on TV I bet the Vampire Diaries would out draw that too. Casual fans are unlikely to watch minor league sports...I've never watched an MLS game but I watch the World Cup. I even sometimes check in on the English (or whatever league) League games with Man U and whoever.

I don't think this is referendum on soccer's popularity in the US (which is rising and I expect will overtake hockey if it hasn't already) as much as it is a general "Meh" from American viewers over minor league soccer.

/whatever, back to soccer bashing thread
//wouldn't care if they never showed another game, but I'll check it out occasionally if the game is worthwhile i.e. not the NY Red Bulls v. The Football Club of Portland Beavers


Our minor league for football makes billions. It's the sport that sucks, not the players.
 
2012-09-27 03:38:24 PM  
The majority of Americans will never be satisfied with a game where a 1-0 score is a common outcome. Never. We love defense when it is stomping on people, not when it is spending 30+ minutes playing keep-away.
 
2012-09-27 03:49:14 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The majority of Americans will never be satisfied with a game where a 1-0 score is a common outcome. Never. We love defense when it is stomping on people, not when it is spending 30+ minutes playing keep-away.


1-0 is fine. What we won't put up with are ties.
 
2012-09-27 03:59:19 PM  

greenboy: roc6783: greenboy: IAmRight: greenboy: ***snip***

Yes, i agree that it is hard, but what makes one homerun any different than another? your standard baseball fan isnt' going to say hey, he hit a homer off a 98mph rising fastball. Sportscenter certainly isn't specifying why it is any more special than another home run.
The intrinsic difficulty of hitting a homer is not lost on me, just the uniqueness of each one


Maybe I misunderstood what you said. I was answering, "What makes a home run special?" I said, the degree of difficulty of getting a hit, a home run is just a byproduct of getting a hit in the first place.

As to why ESPN puts them on highlight shows, unless they are especially far, I find it dumb. Most of them are game winners or records, which are simply special due to the circumstance, not the hit itself.

///And to clarify especially far, a physicist one calculated that the max distance a human could hit a home run unaided by wind is about 475 ft, so in my opinion, if it isn't out of the stadium completely, it's gotta be at least 450 to get my attention. I don't think Russell Branyan's 480 footer has landed yet.
 
2012-09-27 04:09:26 PM  

Anonymocoso: I should write a Macro.

- MLS and the USMNT: Niche sports and that's on a good day.

- Mexican League teams and Mexican National Team: Sell 90,000 tickets in the LA Coliseum on a work night or 100,000 in Cowboys Stadium.

But that being said; the Spanish League has Rayo Vallecano which can't pay its players and the Premiereship had bankrupt Portsmouth for a while but MLS is the Joke League?



90,000 tickets and not a green card to be found.
 
2012-09-27 04:54:08 PM  

drewogatory:
Let's look at some numbers shall we? Bolton's average yearly salary in dollars is $2,342,962, good for 112th spot on the best paid teams list. I couldn't find Southhampton but the highest paid team in MLS is the Galaxy at $555,799 good for oh..219th. And most of the Galaxy salary goes to Becks and Landycakes I'm guessing. In football, how good you are is a direct reflection of how much you spend. Only Blackpool from last year is even close in salary (still over 100k a year more) and they have only played one year in the top division since farking 1971. So...yeah. Walk the league. Easily.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/01/revealed-the-worlds-be s t-paid-teams-man-city-close-in-on-barca-and-real-madrid-010501/


Your link is bad and you should feel bad.

The Galaxy have a payroll under $600k? Maybe in bizzaro universe.

http://www.mlsplayers.org/salary_info.html

I am too lazy to do the math but with two players getting more than $3 million and another getting over $2 million I'd say you and your link are mistaken, the Galaxy do not have a payroll under $600k.

You're obviously not familiar with even the basics of the league if you don't know the Galaxy have a huge payroll.

/Sounders Till I Die
//how the holy fark is LA only paying $65k to Juninho?
 
2012-09-27 05:04:02 PM  

Zoophagous: drewogatory:
***snip***

You're obviously not familiar with even the basics of the league if you don't know the Galaxy have a huge payroll.

/Sounders Till I Die
//how the holy fark is LA only paying $65k to Juninho?


My soccer loving friend pointed that out to me the other day. Kinda crazy that I make more than some pro athletes.
 
2012-09-27 05:10:17 PM  

Zoophagous: //how the holy fark is LA only paying $65k to Juninho?


Wait, annually? That can't be right.
 
2012-09-27 05:21:07 PM  
MLS is unfortunately just poor soccer. It's probably somewhere between (To use England as an example) Championship and League One level. The product is improving and the league itself has a sensible financial plan for slow and steady growth. Sadly that financial plan includes a salary cap, so they won't ever be able to attract top stars in their prime. It's a catch 22 situation, the product can't improve until the league can pay more, but the league can't bring in the revenue to pay more until the product improves.

/plus I can never find DC United games on my cable package.
 
2012-09-27 05:24:56 PM  
I know the Designated Player rule means some get more than the cap, but that's a maximum of 2 or 3 per team.
 
2012-09-27 06:30:44 PM  

LucklessWonder: MLS is unfortunately just poor soccer.


How did a league with such poor soccer produce players like Landon Donovan, Clint Dempsey and Tim Howard that tied England in a World Cup?

How have these players managed to have varying levels of success in the Premeiership?
 
2012-09-27 06:35:18 PM  
Your link is bad and you should feel bad.

The Galaxy have a payroll under $600k? Maybe in bizzaro universe.


Average salary per team per year, not total payroll. Reading comprehension, how does it work?
 
2012-09-27 06:40:37 PM  

TonnageVT: Spanky_McFarksalot: No matter how much they try to make soccer popular in america, it simply won't be.

Our young females play soccer. start putting womens game on lifetme network or oprah or whatever.

Umm..it is already popular.


In your mind it is, in reality it doesn't even draw what regular season baseball draws in ratings, until it does that nobody except foreigners will give a shiat.
 
2012-09-27 06:49:33 PM  

Loud_Mouth_Soup: feanorn: Soccer is the least tv-friendly sport out there.


Yeah, no.


Yes it is, its the same reason why hockey doesn't translate to TV either, soccer is dull and is a 90+minute kick all game to most of us.
 
2012-09-27 06:53:19 PM  

kab: rorypk: I just wish ESPN would stop shoving soccer down our throats.

Odd, I wish they'd stop insisting that poker is a sport. But alas.


I can agree on both staying the fark off my TV, I would rather have rugby or Australian rules football than 4 channels of soccer. That's what I get for living around a lot of foreigners.......
 
2012-09-27 07:57:42 PM  
IAmRight: Daniels: If we had 90 soccer teams in New York, it would be fairly easy to shuttle them around regardless of their income.

Hell, New York is bigger than England. Let's say Alabama since they're much closer to the same size. And because it's more demeaning to the English.


Since Swansea is in the league, currently, I was including Wales. But I like your method better.
 
2012-09-27 07:59:08 PM  

TonnageVT: Daniels: The last month of the MLS season is pointless. Without the threat of relegation, teams out of the playoffs don't give half a shiat about what's going on.

This.

You have the USL, I think there's a secondary league also...Relegation/promotion would at least make it more interesting. Plus you'd get more fans in the local clubs that don't get to see the Agudelo's, Henry's, etc.


The problem with this right now is there aren't really enough teams in the US/Canada soccer pyramid to give us an effective relegation/promotion schedule. There are only 19 teams in MLS, and the current Division 2 (NASL) only has 8. There is also the fact that the pyramid needs teams from Canada, Puerto Rico, Bermuda, and Antigua to get it up to its current meager team population.
 
2012-09-27 09:27:36 PM  

Anonymocoso: LucklessWonder: MLS is unfortunately just poor soccer.

How did a league with such poor soccer produce players like Landon Donovan, Clint Dempsey and Tim Howard that tied England in a World Cup?

How have these players managed to have varying levels of success in the Premeiership?


Well the only tied England in the World Cup due to a goal keeping blunder. And when MLS has good players, like Dempsey & Howard they leave to leagues that can pay them more for their performance, which kind of reinforces my central premise that MLS can't compete on a global level as long as the teams are salary capped, and the league can't afford to be uncapped.
 
2012-09-27 09:38:15 PM  

feanorn: How is this news? Soccer is the least tv-friendly sport out there, except for maybe cricket. American audiences have many far, far better viewer-oriented options, and they vote with their remotes.


AKA: A.D.D.
 
2012-09-27 09:54:54 PM  

LucklessWonder: Anonymocoso: LucklessWonder: MLS is unfortunately just poor soccer.

How did a league with such poor soccer produce players like Landon Donovan, Clint Dempsey and Tim Howard that tied England in a World Cup?

How have these players managed to have varying levels of success in the Premeiership?

Well the only tied England in the World Cup due to a goal keeping blunder scoring a goal.

FTFY

 
2012-09-27 10:46:24 PM  

Slow To Return: A country of overweight slobs born and bred on instant gratification can't be bothered to wait 90 minutes for a goal to be scored?

Baloney, says I.


Hurrrrr. Americans love offense. They have since General Sherman plowed the South under, continued with General Patton, and has since been reflected in all of the 4 major sports augmenting their game to increase offense, which has universally resulted in increased viewership and attendence. Defense is nice, but it doesn't win ratings. Has nothing to do with your bigoted views.
 
2012-09-27 11:52:13 PM  

bhcompy: Slow To Return: A country of overweight slobs born and bred on instant gratification can't be bothered to wait 90 minutes for a goal to be scored?

Baloney, says I.

Hurrrrr. Americans love offense. They have since General Sherman plowed the South under, continued with General Patton, and has since been reflected in all of the 4 major sports augmenting their game to increase offense, which has universally resulted in increased viewership and attendence. Defense is nice, but it doesn't win ratings. Has nothing to do with your bigoted views.


This

Often why (and I might be labeled crazy for this), I feel that there should be no points awarded for a scoreless draw. All other draws (1-1, 2-2, etc.) would still be one point, but a 0-0 draw awards no points to either team. If you don't score a goal, you don't deserve a point, it also encourages attacking play as well.
 
2012-09-28 12:50:49 AM  
Often why (and I might be labeled crazy for this), I feel that there should be no points awarded for a scoreless draw. All other draws (1-1, 2-2, etc.) would still be one point, but a 0-0 draw awards no points to either team. If you don't score a goal, you don't deserve a point, it also encourages attacking play as well.

On the surface, this is a sound argument. It does assume that the teams are of relatively equal ability going in however, which often isn't really the case. If for instance Boise State played the Steelers, it surely would be worth a point if they managed to keep the Steelers scoreless. And it also assumes the only reason for not scoring is ineptitude on offense, an argument that doesn't really apply to a dynamic game like football. It would be foolish for a weaker team to commit to an attack that left them vulnerable behind,when the sounder strategy is to cede the attacking momentum to the superior side and then try to score on a quick counter (fast break to you Yanks) while your opponent is commited forward, especially if they have "attack minded" fullbacks.
 
2012-09-28 01:11:29 AM  

drewogatory: Often why (and I might be labeled crazy for this), I feel that there should be no points awarded for a scoreless draw. All other draws (1-1, 2-2, etc.) would still be one point, but a 0-0 draw awards no points to either team. If you don't score a goal, you don't deserve a point, it also encourages attacking play as well.

On the surface, this is a sound argument. It does assume that the teams are of relatively equal ability going in however, which often isn't really the case. If for instance Boise State played the Steelers, it surely would be worth a point if they managed to keep the Steelers scoreless. And it also assumes the only reason for not scoring is ineptitude on offense, an argument that doesn't really apply to a dynamic game like football. It would be foolish for a weaker team to commit to an attack that left them vulnerable behind,when the sounder strategy is to cede the attacking momentum to the superior side and then try to score on a quick counter (fast break to you Yanks) while your opponent is commited forward, especially if they have "attack minded" fullbacks.


Yes, but this isn't Major League: Back to the Minors. There are no minor league teams taking on major league clubs in any sport, at least where it counts(I realize soccer has "friendlies").
 
2012-09-28 01:30:50 AM  

drewogatory: Often why (and I might be labeled crazy for this), I feel that there should be no points awarded for a scoreless draw. All other draws (1-1, 2-2, etc.) would still be one point, but a 0-0 draw awards no points to either team. If you don't score a goal, you don't deserve a point, it also encourages attacking play as well.

On the surface, this is a sound argument. It does assume that the teams are of relatively equal ability going in however, which often isn't really the case. If for instance Boise State played the Steelers, it surely would be worth a point if they managed to keep the Steelers scoreless. And it also assumes the only reason for not scoring is ineptitude on offense, an argument that doesn't really apply to a dynamic game like football. It would be foolish for a weaker team to commit to an attack that left them vulnerable behind,when the sounder strategy is to cede the attacking momentum to the superior side and then try to score on a quick counter (fast break to you Yanks) while your opponent is commited forward, especially if they have "attack minded" fullbacks.


That may be true, but for every scoreless draw where an underdog has to play defensively, there are also games where it is just a 90 minute kickabout between two evenly matched sides who most likely aren't even trying. For example, in the last World Cup, the games Portugal had vs. Brazil and Ivory Coast were supposed to be among the most exciting of the tournament. Instead, both teams either didn't want to fall behind in the group in the Ivory Coast game, and both sides just needed a point to advance in the Brazil vs. Portugal match. Portugal scored 7 goals that tournament, ALL of which game in ONE match (the demolishing of Best Korea)
 
2012-09-28 02:34:08 AM  

bhcompy:

Yes, but this isn't Major League: Back to the Minors. There are no minor league teams taking on major league clubs in any sport, at least where it counts(I realize soccer has "friendlies").


What the hell do you think promotion is all about? Those are minor league teams trying to stay in the major leagues.
 
2012-09-28 02:46:43 AM  

Trocadero: bhcompy:

Yes, but this isn't Major League: Back to the Minors. There are no minor league teams taking on major league clubs in any sport, at least where it counts(I realize soccer has "friendlies").

What the hell do you think promotion is all about? Those are minor league teams trying to stay in the major leagues.


And that happens no where in American sports.
 
2012-09-28 03:28:33 AM  
*half drunk half asleep)

Came here earlier........forgot to check is that just US viewership.....or wordwide? They might not be as fond of MLS as they are EPL and other leagues, but they do support soccer.....so, + some?
 
2012-09-28 09:28:00 AM  

bhcompy: Slow To Return: A country of overweight slobs born and bred on instant gratification can't be bothered to wait 90 minutes for a goal to be scored?

Baloney, says I.

Hurrrrr. Americans love offense. They have since General Sherman plowed the South under, continued with General Patton, and has since been reflected in all of the 4 major sports augmenting their game to increase offense, which has universally resulted in increased viewership and attendence. Defense is nice, but it doesn't win ratings. Has nothing to do with your bigoted views.


I would argue that Americans like their defense as well, but they like defense the way the NFL plays it, where you are basically just attackers wearing opposite colors. The "defense" in the NFL is as offensive as the offense on every play. Sports where you can't contact each other at all are a pretty hard sell, Americans like hard hits.
 
2012-09-28 10:16:05 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: bhcompy: Slow To Return: A country of overweight slobs born and bred on instant gratification can't be bothered to wait 90 minutes for a goal to be scored?

Baloney, says I.

Hurrrrr. Americans love offense. They have since General Sherman plowed the South under, continued with General Patton, and has since been reflected in all of the 4 major sports augmenting their game to increase offense, which has universally resulted in increased viewership and attendence. Defense is nice, but it doesn't win ratings. Has nothing to do with your bigoted views.

I would argue that Americans like their defense as well, but they like defense the way the NFL plays it, where you are basically just attackers wearing opposite colors. The "defense" in the NFL is as offensive as the offense on every play. Sports where you can't contact each other at all are a pretty hard sell, Americans like hard hits.


I don't disagree. The Ravens are entertaining because of their defense. The Spurs are not entertaining because of their defense.
 
2012-09-28 10:52:00 AM  

Trocadero: bhcompy:

Yes, but this isn't Major League: Back to the Minors. There are no minor league teams taking on major league clubs in any sport, at least where it counts(I realize soccer has "friendlies").

What the hell do you think promotion is all about? Those are minor league teams trying to stay in the major leagues.


Not to mention the league cup where it's much more than just a "friendly".
 
2012-09-28 01:43:30 PM  

Woolwine: drewogatory: Often why (and I might be labeled crazy for this), I feel that there should be no points awarded for a scoreless draw. All other draws (1-1, 2-2, etc.) would still be one point, but a 0-0 draw awards no points to either team. If you don't score a goal, you don't deserve a point, it also encourages attacking play as well.

On the surface, this is a sound argument. It does assume that the teams are of relatively equal ability going in however, which often isn't really the case. If for instance Boise State played the Steelers, it surely would be worth a point if they managed to keep the Steelers scoreless. And it also assumes the only reason for not scoring is ineptitude on offense, an argument that doesn't really apply to a dynamic game like football. It would be foolish for a weaker team to commit to an attack that left them vulnerable behind,when the sounder strategy is to cede the attacking momentum to the superior side and then try to score on a quick counter (fast break to you Yanks) while your opponent is commited forward, especially if they have "attack minded" fullbacks.

That may be true, but for every scoreless draw where an underdog has to play defensively, there are also games where it is just a 90 minute kickabout between two evenly matched sides who most likely aren't even trying. For example, in the last World Cup, the games Portugal had vs. Brazil and Ivory Coast were supposed to be among the most exciting of the tournament. Instead, both teams either didn't want to fall behind in the group in the Ivory Coast game, and both sides just needed a point to advance in the Brazil vs. Portugal match. Portugal scored 7 goals that tournament, ALL of which game in ONE match (the demolishing of Best Korea)


Group stage matches almost ALWAYS suck, especially international football which is ass anyway. Blame the retarded format for that one. Also, don't forget in football you play for points, not wins and losses. So group stages are pretty much the perfect storm of suck.
 
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