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2012-09-27 11:54:01 AM  
Soccer is growing every year in the USA. I doubt we'll ever be as into it as the Europeans are, but if the rage from the anti-soccer mouth-breathers is already at this level, I'll take it as a good thing.
 
2012-09-27 12:00:16 PM  
I'm pretty sure ESPN was quite happy to have 125,000 viewers on ESPN2 that night, as compared to whatever the 90th re-run of SportsCenter for the day would have gotten.
 
2012-09-27 12:00:29 PM  
The US dominance of Global Soccer is a matter of when and not if.

Never, ever, ever happen. The top level Euro and S.A. junior players are recruited into top tier pro run training academies at a very early age. There isn't a university in this country, much less a H.S. or AYSO program that offers anything near the quality coaching these kids are getting at 8,9 and 10 years old and maybe even younger. US kids are years and years behind their counterparts even before they waste 4 years playing NCAA soccer.
 
2012-09-27 12:02:28 PM  

drewogatory: MLS is shiat, with absolutely zero prospect of ever being anything other than a shiat retirement/semi-pro league for has beens and never weres.


Know how I know you don't know jack about MLS?

/ECS
//#EBFG
 
2012-09-27 12:04:34 PM  

drewogatory: The US dominance of Global Soccer is a matter of when and not if.

Never, ever, ever happen. The top level Euro and S.A. junior players are recruited into top tier pro run training academies at a very early age. There isn't a university in this country, much less a H.S. or AYSO program that offers anything near the quality coaching these kids are getting at 8,9 and 10 years old and maybe even younger. US kids are years and years behind their counterparts even before they waste 4 years playing NCAA soccer.


We'll be lucky to qualify for the World Cup this time.
 
2012-09-27 12:04:48 PM  
I should write a Macro.

- MLS and the USMNT: Niche sports and that's on a good day.

- Mexican League teams and Mexican National Team: Sell 90,000 tickets in the LA Coliseum on a work night or 100,000 in Cowboys Stadium.

But that being said; the Spanish League has Rayo Vallecano which can't pay its players and the Premiereship had bankrupt Portsmouth for a while but MLS is the Joke League?
 
2012-09-27 12:06:01 PM  

rorypk: I just wish ESPN would stop shoving soccer down our throats. Every top ten has at least three indistinguishable goals scored from twenty feet out. It's boring and clearly not winning viewers. I know they spent big money on US broadcast rights, but you're never gonna recoup that.


Yes, because the replay of the final play of the Packers Seahawks game still seems interesting after ESPN shoved it down our throats 3.5 billion times this week. I'd rather watch highlights of other sports than listen to the shiat that comes out of ESPN. "Here's me and 5 other guys' analysis of what's going to happen this weekend and we'll tell you 50 times" Why? Who the fark cares?? You'll be right or wrong and no one will be better for it.

rorypk: A sport that uses scarves as their primary paraphernalia is never gonna take off in America. Might as well be team branded butt plugs. And every player has some sort of child sex slave assigned to them that they hold hands with before a game? Europeans are weird


Please, if you're going to talk about crowds, I'll take a soccer crowd 1000 times over any other boring sport. Hey, we need to wind up the crowd, I know, let's play the "Charge!" That will surely get everyone going! Oh hey, I have this great original chant that will surely get our team going "Let's go ! Clap! Clap! Clap!" Everybody clap your hands!!
 
2012-09-27 12:06:12 PM  
The Euro leagues are still way too top heavy. I'd rather watch random MLS games than Bolton or Southampton. Those teams are putrid. Running out those teams every week actually tarnishes the EPL's reputation. When there is that big gap of quality, the big underdogs have to park the bus and kick and run, which is 50 year old soccer tactics and painful to watch. Parity lets the players play, the teams pass and possess, they don't isolate the single striker up top, the wingers spread the field, etc. In regards to parity, England is getting better slowly, Germany is already there (Dortmund and Bayern excepted), Italy is trying, and Spain, well, at least Spain isn't Scotland. The Euro leagues need to work on making ALL of their games as good as possible, not just the Classicos.
 
2012-09-27 12:06:42 PM  
I like the MLS. I'm getting Crew season tickets for next year. The games are always fun and the Crew have a quality fan base. Their game against Chivas outdrew the Red Bulls vs Kansas City in New York by like 4k fans and that game was in New York.

Also scarves make no sense for the MLS. The euro leagues play in the winter and scarves make practical fan apparel. It's hot as balls at most MLS games
 
2012-09-27 12:06:52 PM  

drewogatory: The US dominance of Global Soccer is a matter of when and not if.

US kids are years and years behind their counterparts .


Lots of kids from the US go to pro academies. They go to Club America's, Monterrey's, Pumas, Toluca's or nowadays, Chivas De Guadalajara.
 
kab
2012-09-27 12:09:05 PM  
We can also deduce, from this pixel wasting space of an article, that the Big Bang Theory is watched than college football. And nascar. So is therefore better.

Next we'll discuss why Nickelback are better musicians than Bela Fleck, because they sell more albums.
 
2012-09-27 12:09:43 PM  
Scarves are handy at Real Salt Lake home games in March and November.
 
kab
2012-09-27 12:10:25 PM  

rorypk: I just wish ESPN would stop shoving soccer down our throats.


Odd, I wish they'd stop insisting that poker is a sport. But alas.
 
2012-09-27 12:13:10 PM  

kab:
Next we'll discuss why Nickelback are better musicians than Bela Fleck, because they sell more albums.


That's right. And Naughty Stewardesses XIV had more Scoring than Schindler's List; so Naughty Stewardesses XIV is a better movie than Schindler's List.
 
2012-09-27 12:16:12 PM  

Anonymocoso: drewogatory: The US dominance of Global Soccer is a matter of when and not if.

US kids are years and years behind their counterparts .

Lots of kids from the US go to pro academies. They go to Club America's, Monterrey's, Pumas, Toluca's or nowadays, Chivas De Guadalajara.


MLS also now has pro academies as well, problem is, the academies themselves are only about five years old, so it may be a while before we see the true effects of them (FC Dallas, Seattle, and DC have had surprisingly good academies, at least for how young they are)
 
2012-09-27 12:16:37 PM  

Billy Crystal Meth Lab: If any American has this mentality towards the game (i.e. cheering for a European club while bashing the home league), please, by all means, kill yourself.


Openly deriding the MLS is stupid, but I hope you aren't wrapping any sense of "patriotism" around an American citizen's support of the MLS itself. There's plenty of countries around the world that produce year in, year out superb soccer "talent", yet have relatively crap domestic leagues and routinely see their best players move on internationally.
 
2012-09-27 12:19:17 PM  

Anonymocoso: kab:
Next we'll discuss why Nickelback are better musicians than Bela Fleck, because they sell more albums.

That's right. And Naughty Stewardesses XIV had more Scoring than Schindler's List; so Naughty Stewardesses XIV is a better movie than Schindler's List.


Different strokes for different folks
 
2012-09-27 12:21:42 PM  

Woolwine: Anonymocoso: drewogatory: The US dominance of Global Soccer is a matter of when and not if.

US kids are years and years behind their counterparts .

Lots of kids from the US go to pro academies. They go to Club America's, Monterrey's, Pumas, Toluca's or nowadays, Chivas De Guadalajara.

MLS also now has pro academies as well, problem is, the academies themselves are only about five years old, so it may be a while before we see the true effects of them (FC Dallas, Seattle, and DC have had surprisingly good academies, at least for how young they are)


The Crew has an academy as well. I'm pretty sure they won the U18 championship this year, or whatever they call it. The MLS is going to be having some good home grown players from their academies coming up in the next 5 years
 
2012-09-27 12:25:45 PM  

gtfan92: bhcompy: gtfan92: roc6783:
MLS: 17,872, NBA: 17,323

Breaking: More people will attend sporting events that are cheaper and sometimes have bigger capacities.

[www.myfacewhen.net image 170x128]

And, for reference, NBA average attendance to capacity is 90%, MLS is 88%.

See: Sounders


Exactly. All of MLS's "soccer specific" stadiums built in recent years aren't that big. They're generally in the 20,000's.

The only ones that have massive stadiums are teams like the Sounders, Revolution, and DC United who play in football stadiums.
 
2012-09-27 12:26:36 PM  
The last month of the MLS season is pointless. Without the threat of relegation, teams out of the playoffs don't give half a shiat about what's going on.
 
2012-09-27 12:29:29 PM  

Daniels: The last month of the MLS season is pointless. Without the threat of relegation, teams out of the playoffs don't give half a shiat about what's going on.


This.

You have the USL, I think there's a secondary league also...Relegation/promotion would at least make it more interesting. Plus you'd get more fans in the local clubs that don't get to see the Agudelo's, Henry's, etc.
 
2012-09-27 12:29:36 PM  

Lost Thought 00: If they broadcast minor league baseball, it'd get roughly the same ratings, and deservedly so


baseball is not a sport. It is a pastime. It is boring and uninteresting. the coaches look ridiculous wearing the uniforms.
 
2012-09-27 12:30:29 PM  
Komplex: Right because the Richest Nation on Earth with the Highest Standard of Living will never ever be able to financially compete with the Europeans.

The US dominance of Global Soccer is a matter of when and not if.


It's less competing with Europeans now as it is competing with shady Russian billionaires and oil princes who don't mind their team losing $400M/year to win titles. Henry and Luccino wouldn't even spend an additional $700k to get the best American player on their team American-owned team.
 
2012-09-27 12:38:07 PM  
The pupusas at RFK for DC United home matches are awesome. Worth a trip to a United game even if you aren't a big soccer fan.

Vamos! Vamos United!
 
2012-09-27 12:39:20 PM  

Daniels: The last month of the MLS season is pointless. Without the threat of relegation, teams out of the playoffs don't give half a shiat about what's going on.


And w/o the threat of regulation, losing owners don't jump ship and throttle the team w/ all of the debt they used to try and make the team competitive. Relegation is going to become a death sentence in the near future if they don't expand revenue sharing downwards. I do like the fact that they don't reward the worst team w/ draft picks, though.
 
2012-09-27 12:40:18 PM  
The Euro leagues are still way too top heavy. I'd rather watch random MLS games than Bolton or Southampton.

Bolton or Southhampton would walk the league in MLS.
 
2012-09-27 12:46:04 PM  
MLS will do nicely when the Euro leagues go bankrupt because they're poorly run.

MLS might not have the best product, but they're a very well-run league - and yes, leadership DOES matter.
 
2012-09-27 12:52:20 PM  

TonnageVT: Daniels: The last month of the MLS season is pointless. Without the threat of relegation, teams out of the playoffs don't give half a shiat about what's going on.

This.

You have the USL, I think there's a secondary league also...Relegation/promotion would at least make it more interesting. Plus you'd get more fans in the local clubs that don't get to see the Agudelo's, Henry's, etc.


It's not that the MLS teams aren't ready for relegation, it's that the lower division teams aren't ready for promotion, at least in terms of infrastructure and finances. For example, when the Atlanta Silverbacks of the NASL played the Sounders in the US Open Cup, the Sounders paid for the Silverbacks travel budget. While it was pocket change for the Sounders, it was food for the gods for the Silverbacks.
 
2012-09-27 01:00:17 PM  
There are a lot of reasons that the MLS isn't as high quality as what many of the european leagues are. I'll list some:
1. College. The jump into the MLS typically comes after being successful in the college ranks. You are typically going to play MLS if you make it into the national pool, though.
Many euro leagues do an apprenticeship system where talent is identified early and brought up through the club schools. Maybe they make it into the first time, but most of them don't.
2. Money. If you were a 2 sport athlete that was capable of playing pro in both sports, but one of those sports paid way more money, which would you choose?
3. Other sports. Related to number 2, but we have lots of sports that are cemented into our traditions and we like tradition in amurrica.

Baseball is a god awful sport and i will never understand why people care about it. Inversely, i don't get how people are confused about soccer. It is a sport where it takes incredible stamina, excellent intellect, strength, and an amazing amount of skill. you usually can't see that b/c all you see are 22 guys running in what appears to be circles. Keep in mind that you have 11 guys in a team making runs, opening space, drawing defenders off, making 60 yard long passes to a guy who then drops it at his feet, an turns with a touch and either hits a well placed shot, or cracks one at 60 miles an hour. There's plenty of contact. I know there is diving, but it happens, and it sucks. all of that happens without breaks, and without a coach telling you every move to do. It is almost choreographed and it's pretty amazing to watch if you know what to look for.
 
2012-09-27 01:00:43 PM  

drewogatory: The Euro leagues are still way too top heavy. I'd rather watch random MLS games than Bolton or Southampton.

Bolton or Southhampton would walk the league in MLS.


Bolton or Southampton are going to win in Dallas and Houston in 90 F heat and 90% humidity?

They are going to win on Seattle's & New England's recycled Sierra Mist bottles?

They are going to win at 4200 feet of altitude in Salt Lake or 5000 feet in Colorado?

After they win the league and start Concacaf Champions League play, they are going to win MLS games 3 days after playing on a goat pasture in the Caribbean or after getting pelted with batteries & Agua De Rinon in Central America or after playing at 8000 feet of elevation in Toluca?

orly.jpg
 
2012-09-27 01:04:15 PM  

rorypk: I just wish ESPN would stop shoving soccer down our throats. Every top ten has at least three indistinguishable goals scored from twenty feet out. It's boring and clearly not winning viewers. I know they spent big money on US broadcast rights, but you're never gonna recoup that.

A sport that uses scarves as their primary paraphernalia is never gonna take off in America. Might as well be team branded butt plugs. And every player has some sort of child sex slave assigned to them that they hold hands with before a game? Europeans are weird


have you ever seen a home run, or a diving catch?? yeah, they all look alike you idiot.
 
2012-09-27 01:05:46 PM  

Woolwine: It's not that the MLS teams aren't ready for relegation, it's that the lower division teams aren't ready for promotion, at least in terms of infrastructure and finances. For example, when the Atlanta Silverbacks of the NASL played the Sounders in the US Open Cup, the Sounders paid for the Silverbacks travel budget. While it was pocket change for the Sounders, it was food for the gods for the Silverbacks.


You're definitely right about that, I would love to see more investments in those teams however. I'm sure if they marketed NASL teams with the possibility of promotion to MLS, investors would cash in and you would definitely see an uptick in fan volume at NASL games.
 
2012-09-27 01:06:05 PM  
XFL!XFL!XFL!
 
2012-09-27 01:06:20 PM  

greenboy: have you ever seen a home run, or a diving catch?? yeah, they all look alike you idiot.


In fairness, the top 10 from summer suck anyway because it's all "diving catches."

Diving catches are easy as f*ck in baseball. You have a mitt and a really small ball.
 
2012-09-27 01:10:24 PM  

IAmRight: greenboy: have you ever seen a home run, or a diving catch?? yeah, they all look alike you idiot.

In fairness, the top 10 from summer suck anyway because it's all "diving catches."

Diving catches are easy as f*ck in baseball. You have a mitt and a really small ball.


Just to make sure we're on the same page, we're bashing baseball right? The only impressive stat of a home run is how far they hit it. It makes sportscenter for some reason, but i can't think of what makes it special. As long as we are bashing baseball, let me say this: if you can play 2 games back to back, and some 160 games in a season, it must not be that taxing on your body. YOu know why baseball players get injuries? have you ever had to take off for a 15 yard sprint after standing for 45 minutes and dipping? I'd be hurt to, and i am in far too good of shape to play baseball.
 
2012-09-27 01:11:39 PM  
For a league that's under 20 years old, MLS has become profitable enough to continue existing (much harder that you think for such a large enterprise) and popular enough to get a TV deal with a national network. Seems like they're doing fine enough. But keep on hatin!
 
2012-09-27 01:16:51 PM  

Killer Cars: Billy Crystal Meth Lab: If any American has this mentality towards the game (i.e. cheering for a European club while bashing the home league), please, by all means, kill yourself.

Openly deriding the MLS is stupid, but I hope you aren't wrapping any sense of "patriotism" around an American citizen's support of the MLS itself. There's plenty of countries around the world that produce year in, year out superb soccer "talent", yet have relatively crap domestic leagues and routinely see their best players move on internationally.


My point is more regarding fans who madly follow a European club, pay no or ill regard to the MLS, and wonder why it's considered a "sub-par" league. Fan support is growing every year, and while there's no guarantee that it's going to translate into higher TV ratings, the league is still gaining hours on television that it didn't have five-ten years ago. In the grand scheme of things, the MLS is still one of the youngest leagues in the world, and the growth that its exhibiting is one that all American soccer fans should be proud of, whether they actively watch the league or not.

/The craziest part about this dumb argument? THE MLS ISN'T EVEN THAT BAD. The MLS is on par with several leagues worldwide, and I'd put our champions up against several other league champions (obviously not Chel$ki/City/Real, but you get the point).
//If you want to see BAD soccer: Here's some A-League "Highlights"
 
2012-09-27 01:17:15 PM  
I'll bet a lot of sporting events get ratings lower than whatever tweener garbage is on...
 
2012-09-27 01:27:47 PM  

regindyn: For a league that's under 20 years old, MLS has become profitable enough to continue existing (much harder that you think for such a large enterprise) and popular enough to get a TV deal with a national network. Seems like they're doing fine enough. But keep on hatin!


This is true.

I'm torn on this argument because I personally don't enjoy soccer at all (and I don't know why there's always a baseball/soccer argument in these threads. Stop! You're BOTH boring!), but people criticizing the MLS and saying it will never be great are even more ridiculous. It's f*cking difficult as hell to set up a league and sustain it for decades. They've managed to control costs and have a good fanbase, even if most of the fans annoy me because they tend to be fans of soccer only and feel the need to say every other sport sucks (or pretend that it's more awesome than other sports).

They've got a national TV deal. They have solid attendance and have continued to grow, without labor stoppages or taking huge hits on, well, anything. As an organization, there's a lot to like about MLS, and when you have a good organization with good leadership with a vision and a plan for the future and a strategy for how to get there, that doesn't overstep its bounds, then you have unlimited potential. That's pretty much the MLS.

Also, promotion/relegation works in England only because the teams have deep histories with their cities, all the locations are nearby, and they all have similar travel requirements. In America, it's stupid because you don't have the history or the animosity between cities, you would have huge geographical issues, no rivalries, and then you still have the number one reason relegation sucks - it creates a never-ending churn at the bottom which prevents teams from having the opportunity to break the cycle without having someone come in and break the economic model.
 
2012-09-27 01:27:54 PM  

Anonymocoso: drewogatory: The Euro leagues are still way too top heavy. I'd rather watch random MLS games than Bolton or Southampton.

Bolton or Southhampton would walk the league in MLS.

Bolton or Southampton are going to win in Dallas and Houston in 90 F heat and 90% humidity?

They are going to win on Seattle's & New England's recycled Sierra Mist bottles?

They are going to win at 4200 feet of altitude in Salt Lake or 5000 feet in Colorado?

After they win the league and start Concacaf Champions League play, they are going to win MLS games 3 days after playing on a goat pasture in the Caribbean or after getting pelted with batteries & Agua De Rinon in Central America or after playing at 8000 feet of elevation in Toluca?

orly.jpg


Let's look at some numbers shall we? Bolton's average yearly salary in dollars is $2,342,962, good for 112th spot on the best paid teams list. I couldn't find Southhampton but the highest paid team in MLS is the Galaxy at $555,799 good for oh..219th. And most of the Galaxy salary goes to Becks and Landycakes I'm guessing. In football, how good you are is a direct reflection of how much you spend. Only Blackpool from last year is even close in salary (still over 100k a year more) and they have only played one year in the top division since farking 1971. So...yeah. Walk the league. Easily.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/01/revealed-the-worlds-be s t-paid-teams-man-city-close-in-on-barca-and-real-madrid-010501/
 
2012-09-27 01:31:02 PM  

drewogatory: Let's look at some numbers shall we? Bolton's average yearly salary in dollars is $2,342,962, good for 112th spot on the best paid teams list. I couldn't find Southhampton but the highest paid team in MLS is the Galaxy at $555,799 good for oh..219th. And most of the Galaxy salary goes to Becks and Landycakes I'm guessing. In football, how good you are is a direct reflection of how much you spend. Only Blackpool from last year is even close in salary (still over 100k a year more) and they have only played one year in the top division since farking 1971. So...yeah. Walk the league. Easily.


Is it only soccer or are there other spors where money you spend is a direct reflection of how good you are?
 
2012-09-27 01:42:41 PM  
Is it only soccer or are there other spors where money you spend is a direct reflection of how good you are?


I'm sure you've been trolling me here, but in terms of other non salary capped sports, soccer seems to favor the haves even more than baseball (which,granted, I don't follow at all).
 
2012-09-27 01:49:52 PM  
drewogatory: I'm sure you've been trolling me here, but in terms of other non salary capped sports, soccer seems to favor the haves even more than baseball (which,granted, I don't follow at all).

I'm just asking, because if you use ANY other league/sport as an example, I can easily find examples where highly-paid teams finished with mediocre or worse records. So then you'll be stuck with the claim that soccer is such a unique sport that it's the ONLY one in the world where money = automatically dominant. Remember, you didn't say they'd probably have a pretty good chance of winning MLS. You said they'd kick ass.
 
2012-09-27 01:54:52 PM  
IAmRight: drewogatory: I'm sure you've been trolling me here, but in terms of other non salary capped sports, soccer seems to favor the haves even more than baseball (which,granted, I don't follow at all).

I'm just asking, because if you use ANY other league/sport as an example, I can easily find examples where highly-paid teams finished with mediocre or worse records. So then you'll be stuck with the claim that soccer is such a unique sport that it's the ONLY one in the world where money = automatically dominant. Remember, you didn't say they'd probably have a pretty good chance of winning MLS. You said they'd kick ass.


As far as I know, I can't think of any off the top of my head, but the money = dominance factor definitely has a lot to do with the idea that you can outright buy players, as trades are a super rare occurrence in soccer. There are certainly other factors, but I'd see this as one of the main ones.
 
2012-09-27 01:55:58 PM  

Billy Crystal Meth Lab: IAmRight: drewogatory: I'm sure you've been trolling me here, but in terms of other non salary capped sports, soccer seems to favor the haves even more than baseball (which,granted, I don't follow at all).

I'm just asking, because if you use ANY other league/sport as an example, I can easily find examples where highly-paid teams finished with mediocre or worse records. So then you'll be stuck with the claim that soccer is such a unique sport that it's the ONLY one in the world where money = automatically dominant. Remember, you didn't say they'd probably have a pretty good chance of winning MLS. You said they'd kick ass.

As far as I know, I can't think of any off the top of my head, but the money = dominance factor definitely has a lot to do with the idea that you can outright buy players, as trades are a super rare occurrence in soccer. There are certainly other factors, but I'd see this as one of the main ones.


It helps that there is no such thing as salary caps.
 
2012-09-27 02:06:23 PM  
Woolwine: It's not that the MLS teams aren't ready for relegation, it's that the lower division teams aren't ready for promotion, at least in terms of infrastructure and finances. For example, when the Atlanta Silverbacks of the NASL played the Sounders in the US Open Cup, the Sounders paid for the Silverbacks travel budget. While it was pocket change for the Sounders, it was food for the gods for the Silverbacks.

IAmRight: Also, promotion/relegation works in England only because the teams have deep histories with their cities, all the locations are nearby, and they all have similar travel requirements. In America, it's stupid because you don't have the history or the animosity between cities, you would have huge geographical issues, no rivalries, and then you still have the number one reason relegation sucks - it creates a never-ending churn at the bottom which prevents teams from having the opportunity to break the cycle without having someone come in and break the economic model.

Yeah, I think a lot of people forget that the travel costs to move a team around England is wildly less than moving a team around the US. If we had 90 soccer teams in New York, it would be fairly easy to shuttle them around regardless of their income.
 
2012-09-27 02:14:48 PM  
Ohio State and Southern Cal are usually over the Salary Cap and they don't win all the time. Oops, wrong thread.

Real Salt Lake was one goal (scored by a Chilean) away from beating Monterrey in the 2011 Concacaf Champions League final. Monterrey doesn't have a salary cap and they can pay their players whatever they want. They are sponsored by a brewery, so they have a pretty big payroll.

Earlier in the compeition, Real Salt Lake beat Mexico's 3rd most popular team Cruz Azul 3-1 in Utah and lost 5-4 in the Distrito Federal. Based on the number of Cruz Azul jerseys I see around; Cruz Azul can pay their players pretty well.

But on the other hand, MLS teams have lost to Joe Public and W Connection from Trinidad in the same competition.
 
2012-09-27 02:18:54 PM  

Daniels: If we had 90 soccer teams in New York, it would be fairly easy to shuttle them around regardless of their income.


Hell, New York is bigger than England. Let's say Alabama since they're much closer to the same size. And because it's more demeaning to the English.
 
2012-09-27 02:26:54 PM  

greenboy: Billy Crystal Meth Lab: IAmRight: drewogatory: I'm sure you've been trolling me here, but in terms of other non salary capped sports, soccer seems to favor the haves even more than baseball (which,granted, I don't follow at all).

I'm just asking, because if you use ANY other league/sport as an example, I can easily find examples where highly-paid teams finished with mediocre or worse records. So then you'll be stuck with the claim that soccer is such a unique sport that it's the ONLY one in the world where money = automatically dominant. Remember, you didn't say they'd probably have a pretty good chance of winning MLS. You said they'd kick ass.

As far as I know, I can't think of any off the top of my head, but the money = dominance factor definitely has a lot to do with the idea that you can outright buy players, as trades are a super rare occurrence in soccer. There are certainly other factors, but I'd see this as one of the main ones.

It helps that there is no such thing as salary caps.


Financial Fair Play is trying to curb that, but the idea of FFP actually doing so makes me laugh.
 
2012-09-27 02:40:41 PM  
Financial Fair Play is trying to curb that, but the idea of FFP actually doing so makes me laugh.

Platini talks big, but Roman hasn't stuck a horse's head in his bed yet so we'll see.
 
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