This woman's life is in limbo. Canada has truly lowered the bar.

/subby
//2 green lights in a row, woo-hoo!

FTA:

"A refugee who claims she could face death by stoning if sent back to Iran says she is feeling emotionally tortured by indecisive border officials."

"They are going to deport me three days before I could have my pre-removal risk assessment (PRRA). It's just not fair. They don't care that my life, my son's life, will be in danger," said Tosarvandan, before breaking down in tears.

"Tosarvandan's refugee claim was refused on Oct. 5, 2011, and she is banned from obtaining a risk assessment for one year under a controversial new law introduced by the Stephen Harper government this summer."

""This is a torture for us," said Tosarvandan, one of the first to be ordered deported to Iran since Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird severed diplomatic relations with the country, calling Iran one of "the world's worst violators of human rights."" 

 

danielscissorhands: This woman's life is in limbo. Canada has truly lowered the bar.

/subby
//2 green lights in a row, woo-hoo!

/golf clap

Well played.

fark Stephen Harper, and fark Jason Kenney.

Ottawa introduced a one-year ban on refugee claimants obtaining a PRRA in June, in hopes of speeding up deportations of failed claimants. In conducting a risk assessment, officials must review whether the conditions and circumstances in a deportee's homeland have changed.

Translation:

Harper is appealing the the ignorant racists to support for him. Who cares if a woman suffers a painful death in her ignorant shiathole of a home country? Much more important to get those votes.

Man I DESPISE politicians.

keoki82: danielscissorhands: This woman's life is in limbo. Canada has truly lowered the bar.

/subby
//2 green lights in a row, woo-hoo!

/golf clap

Well played.

Thanks :-)

Day_Old_Dutchie: Ottawa introduced a one-year ban on refugee claimants obtaining a PRRA in June, in hopes of speeding up deportations of failed claimants. In conducting a risk assessment, officials must review whether the conditions and circumstances in a deportee's homeland have changed.

Translation:

Harper is appealing the the ignorant racists to support for him. Who cares if a woman suffers a painful death in her ignorant shiathole of a home country? Much more important to get those votes.

Man I DESPISE politicians.

Hate the game not the player.

Acharne:
Stephen Harper

A troll is insincere. Harper is dedicated to permanently altering Canada according to his neo-conservative vision. Part of that vision is restrictive immigration rules, enforced regardless of individual circumstances, so as to please the rednecks who miss the days of Chinamen paying a head tax to come work on the railway.

Also, FTFA "adultery is a serious offense in Iran". Yeah, if you're a woman. Which this woman is. If she is deported (to a country our gov't is diplomatically estranged with and has condemned as a human rights violator) to face legal persecution by her vengeful husband, I and a lot of other Canadians will be farking angry.

I can't believe Jason Kenney is actually the Minister of Immigration. He seems like such a stereotypical conservative white male.

No Such Agency:
Yeah, if you're a woman. Which this woman is.

Also, just because someone might be interested and I have the background, the Canadian refugee determination process is as follows:

1) claim is assessed by 1 (one) IRB officer who is a partisan appointment and requires no qualifications and may or may not be a total farkhead. Some will approve your claim if and only if you sleep with them. (used to be you had 2 reviewing officers and only one had to think you were a legit refugee. Abolished under the Liberals but they promised an appeals process that was never implemented.)
2) "Refugee" is a very narrow definition. Canada also admits "persons in need of protection" who may not meet the legal definition of "refugee" (for example, if you're gay and people are trying to kill you and the cops don't care, you're not technically a "refugee" but you might still be a person in need of protection. Problem is that the 1 (one) partisan IRB member who might be a farkhead might decide you can't be gay because you didn't come across as totally flaming at the hearing.)
3) If your farkhead IRB officer rejects your claim, you have various recourses, including filing a Pre-Removal Risk Assessment (PRAA), going to court and having a federal judge review the IRB decision and decide if the IRB officer was a total farkhead, etc.
4) But filing a PRAA, application for judicial review, etc doesn't stop you from being deported to the Very Bad Place you fled from while you're waiting for your case to be heard and decided. You must additionally apply for a Stay of removal that may or may not be approved.
5)Hence, people who have perfectly legit arguments ("please don't send me to Iran because they will stone me") sometimes end up in situations where they're totally farked. They go the the press and people write to our ludicrous Immigration Minister and ask him to step in and stop the deportation, which he does if and only if the case is embarrassing and/or politically relevant.
6) The government has implemented "reforms" to make it harder for people whom the single IRB official (partisan appointment with no required qualifications who may be making determinations based on willingness of applicant to put out) to challenge decisions and delay/avoid deportation.

tl;dr: fark Stephen Harper and fark Jason Kenney

while i think any theocracy should be burned form the face of the earth, adultery should carry a death penalty.. people need to be held to their word. if you want to fark someone else, break up/divorce first. allowing cheating in this country has ruined peoples personalities.

Day_Old_Dutchie: Ottawa introduced a one-year ban on refugee claimants obtaining a PRRA in June, in hopes of speeding up deportations of failed claimants. In conducting a risk assessment, officials must review whether the conditions and circumstances in a deportee's homeland have changed.

Translation:

Harper is appealing the the ignorant racists to support for him. Who cares if a woman suffers a painful death in her ignorant shiathole of a home country? Much more important to get those votes.

Man I DESPISE politicians.

Sort of the way that in American politics all you have to do to get certain people to support you is to tell them that all of their problems are to blame on hispanic immigrants.

Mimic_Octopus: while i think any theocracy should be burned form the face of the earth, adultery should carry a death penalty.. people need to be held to their word. if you want to fark someone else, break up/divorce first. allowing cheating in this country has ruined peoples personalities.

perhaps marriage should be burned from the face of the earth you twit

SquiggsIN:
Sort of the way that in American politics all you have to do to get certain people to support you is to tell them that all of their problems are to blame on hispanic immigrants.

Let's all just agree that brown people are the problem behind everything. Deal?

God-is-a-Taco:
No Such Agency:
Yeah, if you're a woman. Which this woman is.

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Take the orange pill, Neo. It makes my posts make sense ;)

God-is-a-Taco: SquiggsIN:
Sort of the way that in American politics all you have to do to get certain people to support you is to tell them that all of their problems are to blame on hispanic immigrants.

Let's all just agree that brown people are the problem behind everything. Deal?

that statement isn't even funny on fark.

Flakeloaf: ddarK1: I can't believe Jason Kenney is actually the Minister of Immigration. He seems like such a stereotypical conservative white male.

I see your two incongruities and raise you a whole bizarro.

Yeah, what's the point of studying when life begins? Then we might actually find out, and it might be inconvenient to our "side". Therefore, neither side really wants to do it. If the issue is ever settled, there will be a whole lot of advocacy groups on BOTH sides looking for work.

I guess they don't have a violence against women act in Canada.
If they put her in harm's way, I hope they lose in court.

Flakeloaf: Except the whole vote was just a pretext for the Right to reopen the abortion debate, and generally it's the job of the minister in charge of looking out for women's rights to say that's not a good idea.

Wouldn't scientific proof of the moment life begins go a lot farther toward actually ending the debate than just telling people the debate is closed? What's wrong with science?

Why are we morally obligated to help these people anyway? Don't we have enough people with problems in the country as it is? This isn't a troll, just a serious question. It would be heartless to send this woman back I suppose but where do we draw the line? Do we just let in everybody who manages to get on our soil from a shiatty country?

untaken_name: Flakeloaf: Except the whole vote was just a pretext for the Right to reopen the abortion debate, and generally it's the job of the minister in charge of looking out for women's rights to say that's not a good idea.

Wouldn't scientific proof of the moment life begins go a lot farther toward actually ending the debate than just telling people the debate is closed? What's wrong with science?

No, it wouldn't. Both sides will cherry pick their experts and politicize the issue even further. Given the shenanigans we've seen with the CPC on sub-committees I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to stack the deck in their favour. I can't find a link, but I seem to recall Stephen Woodworth (who put forward the motion) being quoted as saying the outcome of such a debate was already pre-determined.

It's nothing but political theater to appease the fundies. Someone suggested that the Liberals and NDP should have abstained from the vote and force the CPCs hand. That would have been lulz worthy.

reveal101: Why are we morally obligated to help these people anyway? Don't we have enough people with problems in the country as it is? This isn't a troll, just a serious question. It would be heartless to send this woman back I suppose but where do we draw the line? Do we just let in everybody who manages to get on our soil from a shiatty country?

Nnno... we draw the line by weighing options and investigating claims, rather than crafting one-size-fits-all policies and jamming people through them like a card shuffler.

For the record, we're morally obligated to do unto others as we would have them do unto us.

All people from countries with repressive regimes facing deportation make this claim. Her case was reviewed last year and her petition for refugee status denied. Yet they allowed her to remain in the country for another year and be reviewed. There's more to this than The Star is reporting. Maybe Canada's border patrol has good reason to be skeptical.

hmmm

fta: Tosarvandan claimed her abusive husband cooked up the charges against her, but she was unable to provide evidence at her refugee hearing. Her lawyer, Lisa Winter-Card, only managed to obtain the relevant documentations recently.

soo now that she has the relevant documents what happens??

/cant join the fist-shaking outrage til i know what happens next. its like one of those cliff-hangers episodes dammit!
//how long has she been in canada anyway??

sedric: hmmm

fta: Tosarvandan claimed her abusive husband cooked up the charges against her, but she was unable to provide evidence at her refugee hearing. Her lawyer, Lisa Winter-Card, only managed to obtain the relevant documentations recently.

soo now that she has the relevant documents what happens??

/cant join the fist-shaking outrage til i know what happens next. its like one of those cliff-hangers episodes dammit!
//how long has she been in canada anyway??

If she's lucky? Canada doesn't send her back to Iran before she can show said relevant documents to a court. If not? She's stoned to death.

shortymac: Canadian Immigration laws are screwed up.

Came up here on a student visa, then got an after school work permit. The problem is they didn't mention that I can't renew that permit so hubby (Canadian) and I are going to spousal sponsorship.

God there are so many hoops you have to go through! We have to have a billion pictures taken to prove we're a "real" couple, be grilled by a judge that asks invasive questions like "What BC do you use?", "Are you planning to have kids?", hubby has to prove he can provide for me (even though I have a job), etc.

We paid a lawyer 2,000 to help us out with this. UGH

Really?

I did all my immigration process on my own, federal skilled worker. No issues. The main "issue" was that it took SO long (2 and a half years) to get a canadian green card.

No Such Agency: Acharne:
Stephen Harper

A troll is insincere.

No, I sincerely believe Harper is a troll. Your point seems to agree that he is dangerous. However, a troll he still remains.

Mimic_Octopus: while i think any theocracy should be burned form the face of the earth, adultery should carry a death penalty.. people need to be held to their word. if you want to fark someone else, break up/divorce first. allowing cheating in this country has ruined peoples personalities.

Adultery is not a 'murdering offence'. If you feel that, you're just as wicked as the theocrats. I imagine you posted that filth from your prison cell where you're serving a life time for killing your cheating ex.

Jehovah! Jehovah! What are you going to do, sentence me to be stoned?

shortymac: maq0r: shortymac: Canadian Immigration laws are screwed up.

Came up here on a student visa, then got an after school work permit. The problem is they didn't mention that I can't renew that permit so hubby (Canadian) and I are going to spousal sponsorship.

God there are so many hoops you have to go through! We have to have a billion pictures taken to prove we're a "real" couple, be grilled by a judge that asks invasive questions like "What BC do you use?", "Are you planning to have kids?", hubby has to prove he can provide for me (even though I have a job), etc.

We paid a lawyer 2,000 to help us out with this. UGH

Really?

I did all my immigration process on my own, federal skilled worker. No issues. The main "issue" was that it took SO long (2 and a half years) to get a canadian green card.

The federal skilled worker would take too long, my after school work permit is up in January.

Spousal was the fastest but a pain. :(

Spousal is actually faster outside of Canada. Weird right?

shortymac: maq0r: shortymac: maq0r: shortymac: Canadian Immigration laws are screwed up.

Came up here on a student visa, then got an after school work permit. The problem is they didn't mention that I can't renew that permit so hubby (Canadian) and I are going to spousal sponsorship.

God there are so many hoops you have to go through! We have to have a billion pictures taken to prove we're a "real" couple, be grilled by a judge that asks invasive questions like "What BC do you use?", "Are you planning to have kids?", hubby has to prove he can provide for me (even though I have a job), etc.

We paid a lawyer 2,000 to help us out with this. UGH

Really?

I did all my immigration process on my own, federal skilled worker. No issues. The main "issue" was that it took SO long (2 and a half years) to get a canadian green card.

The federal skilled worker would take too long, my after school work permit is up in January.

Spousal was the fastest but a pain. :(

Spousal is actually faster outside of Canada. Weird right?

Did you know that you can still live in Canada, mail your application to an embassy, and get the faster processing time?

That alone was worth 2,000, add in interviewing help, picture help, etc. This guy is awesome.

Wow, that's cool. Well, is not as bad as the US Immigration system, my whole family is american, they became naturalized american citizens after my 21st birthday... however, since I'm 29... a family visa is 8 years away (a green card), doesn't matter that I hold a Masters in CompSci, and english skills etc (the same factors the canadians gave me a visa).