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(GameTrailers)   Two guys have stolen more than $12,000 worth of Diablo III copies, can't get a single one of them to work   (gametrailers.com) divider line 47
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2012-09-27 06:15:01 AM
Everyone needs a hobby. But I think these guys might be better off with a safer hobby, like playing video games.
 
2012-09-27 06:23:58 AM
Needs Obvious tag for them not stealing Mists of Pandaria.
 
2012-09-27 06:36:13 AM
Seems like a gold-farming operation, and if not that will be their customer.
But Diablo 3? That I can't figure out. There must be far more profitable games for that enterprise.
 
2012-09-27 07:53:27 AM
Did they do it by downloading a copy each?
 
2012-09-27 08:02:57 AM
The suspects were later apprehended and confirmed to be Activision-Blizzard employees who were desperately trying to keep Diablo 3 relevant.
 
2012-09-27 08:10:19 AM
Diablo 3 huh? Why not Madden 10? That's far more relevant.
 
2012-09-27 09:08:35 AM
I've been playing so much Torchlight 2, I've forgotten what a festering boil Diablo3 was.
 
2012-09-27 09:24:28 AM
They just realized it was such a crappy game they were trying to stop it before it ruined their reputations.

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2012-09-27 09:50:40 AM

Vertdang: I've been playing so much Torchlight 2, I've forgotten what a festering boil Diablo3 was.


^
Torchlight 2 is a better game at 1/3rd the price. More stable and just as fun multiplayer as single.
 
2012-09-27 09:55:18 AM

Phil Ken Sebben: Vertdang: I've been playing so much Torchlight 2, I've forgotten what a festering boil Diablo3 was.

^
Torchlight 2 is a better game at 1/3rd the price. More stable and just as fun multiplayer as single.


Plus, usable loot actually drops.

The only thing I dislike is that I wind up only putting points into a few skills to use, making combat a bit simplistic.
 
2012-09-27 10:10:47 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Seems like a gold-farming operation, and if not that will be their customer.
But Diablo 3? That I can't figure out. There must be far more profitable games for that enterprise.


That or they run a site that sells serial keys. If they sell them at $40 or so a pop that's ~500K.

Not too bad.
 
2012-09-27 10:14:47 AM
Police also believe the two somehow obtained a security key that can unlock the "Spiderware" security devices used by the chain of retail stores

How did they obtain magnets? These guys must have some serious connections to the criminal underworld!
 
2012-09-27 10:26:40 AM
D3 gold is down to 80 cents a million or something now.
Utlima Online gold (15 years old, MAYBE 25k subscribers left) still sells for 35 cents or more per million retail.

Warcraft Gold after MOP is hovering around a buck per unit, which is around 1,000g in that game.

There is no better way to tell how well your multiplayer game is doing than by looking at its currencies value in USD. D3's took a dump at break-neck speed, not good. So fast in fact that after the initial money grab, most people left the game entirely.

/chinese gold farmer since 1998, full-time for a while....
 
2012-09-27 10:29:17 AM
they weren't going to buy them anyway
 
2012-09-27 10:34:32 AM
jagarr:

If you farmed gil in FFXI, I hate you. 

Especially if you ruined Valkurm Emperor camping.
 
2012-09-27 10:40:03 AM

jagarr: /chinese gold farmer since 1998, full-time for a while....


If that's true, you should be punched in the throat.
 
2012-09-27 10:54:29 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: jagarr: /chinese gold farmer since 1998, full-time for a while....

If that's true, you should be punched in the throat.


This person is living capitalism at its finest in a communist-ish country. The Mods/admins need to find ways to stop farming, or they need to eliminate its need by adjusting game play. I don't blame the farmers.

Don't hate the player hate the game etc....
 
2012-09-27 11:00:00 AM

kicksmile: Don't hate the player hate the game etc....


Except what they're doing is against the rules of the game and conducted via channels outside of the game, so I fail to see what point you think you're making.
 
2012-09-27 11:01:56 AM
I have a buddy that makes a killing selling gold in WoW. He doesn't farm either, he just plays the Auction House. Currently, his account is sitting on 1.5m gold, and he easily brings in 60k a day that he sells off.
 
2012-09-27 11:13:08 AM

fluffytuff: I have a buddy that makes a killing selling gold in WoW. He doesn't farm either, he just plays the Auction House. Currently, his account is sitting on 1.5m gold, and he easily brings in 60k a day that he sells off.


Career AH guys come in handy when I want to sell all extra junk from my guild bank. I just undercut the crap out of the items and the career guys scoop them up right away. It's been really easy to get gold since Cata and now MoP without grinding too much.
 
2012-09-27 11:15:10 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Seems like a gold-farming operation, and if not that will be their customer.
But Diablo 3? That I can't figure out. There must be far more profitable games for that enterprise.


Probably cheaters who need new CD keys to activate a new account when they get banned...
 
2012-09-27 11:16:52 AM

crab66: God-is-a-Taco: Seems like a gold-farming operation, and if not that will be their customer.
But Diablo 3? That I can't figure out. There must be far more profitable games for that enterprise.

That or they run a site that sells serial keys. If they sell them at $40 or so a pop that's ~500K.

Not too bad.


Or something like that...
 
2012-09-27 11:20:18 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: kicksmile: Don't hate the player hate the game etc....

Except what they're doing is against the rules of the game and conducted via channels outside of the game, so I fail to see what point you think you're making.


There will always be gold farming because someone on the other side of the world is looking at earning 50 cents an hour working a real job compared to an American earning 8 bucks an hour minimum. Every American who doesn't enjoy farming in their game of choice is making the smart decision to hire the farmer to do it for them. You shouldn't hate the poor Chinese guy for trying to make a buck, is his point.

I don't like the effect goldfarming has on games. Also, I've never successfully had a help ticket that is reporting farming bots actually do anything. In wow there was one that operated for two years in the same location pretty much 24 hours a day. I reported, and had my guild report it, once a month during that period. The farmer went away when an expansion hit, which suggests to me not only was it a farming bot but also a stolen account.

Now, I don't expect a game to be perfect at catching these things, but with all the revenue Blizzard has they could have definitely made a dent in it with a little bit of work.
 
2012-09-27 11:21:14 AM

Vertdang: I've been playing so much Torchlight 2, I've forgotten what a festering boil Diablo3 was.


Ditto. It is the game that made me decide to stop giving Blizzard money. I was leaning against purchasing it, but cracked under peer pressure from friends who wanted to play. I played the hell out of Diablo 2. Meanwhile, I got a single toon to 60 in Diablo 3 and decided that was enough. Maybe my gaming tastes changed, or maybe the game didn't have that caffeine like addiction effect on me. Whatever it is, I wish I'd never have listened to friends. Hell, all but one had quit 3 weeks after launch.

Between games like Torchlight, FTL, and Borderlands, I could care less about the evident demise of Blizzard.
 
2012-09-27 11:40:37 AM

Smackledorfer: The farmer went away when an expansion hit, which suggests to me not only was it a farming bot but also a stolen account.

Now, I don't expect a game to be perfect at catching these things, but with all the revenue Blizzard has they could have definitely made a dent in it with a little bit of work.


You hit upon one of the key issues. Blizzard pushes their authenticator because they've monetized account security. Why would they bother making it harder to hack accounts when they can just tsk tsk and tell you to spend more money on their products?

Botters are also supposedly allowed to farm so Blizzard can figure out their methods. You may be pointing out that this defeats the point, as it's the infusion of ridiculous farm into the economy that is bad and should be prevented rather than the act of botting, but Blizzard approaches this from a different perspective. They care much more about losing control of their software via botting software than they care about economic damage.
 
2012-09-27 11:48:26 AM

sprawl15: Blizzard pushes their authenticator because they've monetized account security.


Except for the fact that you can get their authenticator app for iOS and Android for free. They only charge if you want the key fob authenticator (you know, the option that actually costs them money to provide).
 
2012-09-27 11:52:22 AM

sprawl15: Smackledorfer: The farmer went away when an expansion hit, which suggests to me not only was it a farming bot but also a stolen account.

Now, I don't expect a game to be perfect at catching these things, but with all the revenue Blizzard has they could have definitely made a dent in it with a little bit of work.

You hit upon one of the key issues. Blizzard pushes their authenticator because they've monetized account security. Why would they bother making it harder to hack accounts when they can just tsk tsk and tell you to spend more money on their products?


I just don't understand this argument. You mean the free authenticator that you can get on any smart phone is a cash grab by blizzard. And I'm sure, being completely unbiased as you are, you also think the authenticators for SWOTR and FF14 (in which there are no smart phone versions) are as well, right?

Authenticators are cheap and effective...I'm really not sure what problem people have with them. And in Blizzards case, on the most part free...
 
2012-09-27 12:27:33 PM
Played about 120 hours of Diablo III, with the last 50 hours nothing but farming and nothing but finding crap. My hard drive crashed on my computer and that permanently severed ties with me and Diablo III. The gameplay was fun, but I hated the DPS mechanics and the item hunt. Just a huge letdown after so long of a wait. It could have been so much more, but missed the mark, IMO.

Now just yesterday I got a DOTA2 invite through steam and have been thoroughly enjoying that (Played classic for years). And I just downloaded the TL2 demo, played for about 5 minutes and first impressions were good.
 
2012-09-27 12:30:08 PM

hammer85: sprawl15: Smackledorfer: The farmer went away when an expansion hit, which suggests to me not only was it a farming bot but also a stolen account.

Now, I don't expect a game to be perfect at catching these things, but with all the revenue Blizzard has they could have definitely made a dent in it with a little bit of work.

You hit upon one of the key issues. Blizzard pushes their authenticator because they've monetized account security. Why would they bother making it harder to hack accounts when they can just tsk tsk and tell you to spend more money on their products?


I just don't understand this argument. You mean the free authenticator that you can get on any smart phone is a cash grab by blizzard. And I'm sure, being completely unbiased as you are, you also think the authenticators for SWOTR and FF14 (in which there are no smart phone versions) are as well, right?

Authenticators are cheap and effective...I'm really not sure what problem people have with them. And in Blizzards case, on the most part free...


While I agree with you, I would like to point out that SWTOR now does have a free authenticator app:

Android
iOS
 
2012-09-27 12:31:27 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Seems like a gold-farming operation, and if not that will be their customer.
But Diablo 3? That I can't figure out. There must be far more profitable games for that enterprise.


Yea I wonder why they chose diablo 3 over say something like guild wars 2 at least

Need a Dispenser Here: Ditto. It is the game that made me decide to stop giving Blizzard money. I was leaning against purchasing it, but cracked under peer pressure from friends who wanted to play. I played the hell out of Diablo 2. Meanwhile, I got a single toon to 60 in Diablo 3 and decided that was enough. Maybe my gaming tastes changed, or maybe the game didn't have that caffeine like addiction effect on me. Whatever it is, I wish I'd never have listened to friends. Hell, all but one had quit 3 weeks after launch.


Yea I was the same way, I was bored of the game after getting 1 char to 60 but I didn't want to quick that soon after I just dropped $60 on the game. I ended up getting all of the classes to 60 but didn't feel any love for the game. I recently launched it again to see what has changed and now they have added something called Paragon levels after level 60. Each one of those levels increases your MF and base stats, there are 100 paragon levels.
 
2012-09-27 12:32:53 PM

Tenatra: ...but I didn't want to quick quit...

 
2012-09-27 12:35:43 PM

Teufelaffe: Except for the fact that you can get their authenticator app for iOS and Android for free.


The authenticator app is much less secure than the fob for many reasons. For example, the method they used to calculate random numbers was crackable relatively easily for quite a while because they used shiatty encryption. When using the app, you're exposing yourself to many of the same dangers as any other password encryption program; the physical authenticator is several degrees safer by being a closed system. This is particularly important considering authenticator related data was among the stuff stolen in the recent Blizzard security breach.

hammer85: And I'm sure, being completely unbiased as you are


Well aren't you a shiateater.

hammer85: you also think the authenticators for SWOTR and FF14 (in which there are no smart phone versions) are as well, right?


Authenticators are not a bad thing in and of themselves. They're a useful security addition. Passing on even rudimentary security measures because it increases demand for authenticators is what is bad. Relying on a single point of failure is bad.
 
2012-09-27 12:37:31 PM

Tenatra: God-is-a-Taco: Seems like a gold-farming operation, and if not that will be their customer.
But Diablo 3? That I can't figure out. There must be far more profitable games for that enterprise.

Yea I wonder why they chose diablo 3 over say something like guild wars 2 at least


You can buy gold in-game through the gem store in GW2, so there's less of a market. Hasn't stopped them from flooding the game with gold-seller spam though. :P
 
2012-09-27 12:54:35 PM

Teufelaffe: You can buy gold in-game through the gem store in GW2, so there's less of a market. Hasn't stopped them from flooding the game with gold-seller spam though. :P


I didn't mean in the sense of gold farmers, I meant selling the copies at a lower than retail price. Ebay has GW2 going for $40-45ish right now. Wow just looked up Diablo 3 and it's still selling on Ebay for $45+ so I guess people are still willing to pay that much for it.
 
2012-09-27 01:07:42 PM

Tenatra: Teufelaffe: You can buy gold in-game through the gem store in GW2, so there's less of a market. Hasn't stopped them from flooding the game with gold-seller spam though. :P

I didn't mean in the sense of gold farmers, I meant selling the copies at a lower than retail price. Ebay has GW2 going for $40-45ish right now. Wow just looked up Diablo 3 and it's still selling on Ebay for $45+ so I guess people are still willing to pay that much for it.


Ah, I understand. For some reason, Blizzard's games do that. Hell, as recently as last year, Wrath of the Lich King was still selling for $30 until Blizz upgraded everyone's accounts to Cataclysm.
 
2012-09-27 01:11:10 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: jagarr: /chinese gold farmer since 1998, full-time for a while....

If that's true, you should be punched in the throat.


The only person who should be punched in the throat is the asshole who put that goddamn forced ad overlay in the article. fark them. fark their faces with an iron dick.

/Grumpy today
 
2012-09-27 01:37:50 PM

Smackledorfer: You shouldn't hate the poor Chinese guy for trying to make a buck, is his point.


It's a stupid point. I also hate telemarketers. The whole "I'm just earning a living" thing doesn't fly. They should try a more respectable trade. Like petty larceny.

I stand by my comment: all the farmers, their bosses, and the buyers should be lined up and punched in the throat.

And it still doesn't change my point about the other poster's comment. It has nothing to do with the game. The game clearly proscribes the behavior and makes no accommodations for it, so how can I blame the game because some ex-dirt-farmer in a Chinese sweatshop is grinding out gold so some current Cheetohs-farmer in his mom's basement down the street from me can buy it through an illicit auction site?
 
2012-09-27 02:08:59 PM
Blizzard hasn't yet nerfed the WW Barb farmkit in D3. Just have loads and loads of people selling farmed gear on the AH who haven't yet reduced their ridiculous prices. Gold is at $0.66/1M at this point and is dropping very quickly. Soon that will be at the $0.01/1M point thus making it completely worthless. Not enough incentive to actually spend gold in game to properly reduce the community gold supply and increasing it's worth again.

I'm at the point where I can't afford gear to "farm" for more gear so I am just stuck playing Act 1-2 inferno and gaining worthless paragon levels.

I think the game has serious balancing issues that the devs aren't willing to properly address, and they have serious item and gold issues that they can't address without ruining the cash cow that is the RMAH.
 
2012-09-27 02:22:14 PM

Tenatra: Yea I was the same way, I was bored of the game after getting 1 char to 60 but I didn't want to quick that soon after I just dropped $60 on the game. I ended up getting all of the classes to 60 but didn't feel any love for the game. I recently launched it again to see what has changed and now they have added something called Paragon levels after level 60. Each one of those levels increases your MF and base stats, there are 100 paragon levels.


More levels aren't the problem. You still have to go through the same repetitive, linear mission to level up. And you shouldn't have to spend all that time grinding levels just for the sake of getting decent drops.

At least Torchlight II has sidequests, and One-Eyed Willy.
 
2012-09-27 02:41:07 PM

NeoCortex42: More levels aren't the problem. You still have to go through the same repetitive, linear mission to level up. And you shouldn't have to spend all that time grinding levels just for the sake of getting decent drops.


It sounds like you're describing a game in the Diablo franchise....

I'm sorry, but "grinding levels just for the sake of getting decent drops" is the only reason Diablo II hung on for so very many years. Did anybody really expect something different of the newest incarnation of the game?
 
2012-09-27 02:50:48 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: NeoCortex42: More levels aren't the problem. You still have to go through the same repetitive, linear mission to level up. And you shouldn't have to spend all that time grinding levels just for the sake of getting decent drops.

It sounds like you're describing a game in the Diablo franchise....

I'm sorry, but "grinding levels just for the sake of getting decent drops" is the only reason Diablo II hung on for so very many years. Did anybody really expect something different of the newest incarnation of the game?


Oh, I get that the point of the game is grinding. What I don't like is the current drop rates. I could play through dozens of character levels and hours of play and never once get a drop worth equipping. In their desire to get people to use their auction house, Blizzard has made it almost mandatory to use.

Torchlight II also focuses on getting awesome gear. The difference is that gear worth using actually drops.
 
2012-09-27 02:57:15 PM

NeoCortex42: Torchlight II also focuses on getting awesome gear. The difference is that gear worth using actually drops.


And the Torchlight people have a better sense of humor (from the first Torchlight):

www.teufelaffe.com
 
2012-09-27 03:53:34 PM
Breaking News in this case.

Detectives are getting closer to apprehending the pair after hiring a mystic to help out. The mystic got a lead on the two after discovering hidden footprints. She would be closer to finding the duo if black magic didn't bar her way.
 
2012-09-27 04:12:47 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Smackledorfer: ***snip***
And it still doesn't change my point about the other poster's comment. It has nothing to do with the game. The game clearly proscribes the behavior and makes no accommodations for it, so how can I blame the game because some ex-dirt-farmer in a Chinese sweatshop is grinding out gold so some current Cheetohs-farmer in his mom's basement down the street from me can buy it through an illicit auction site?


You can blame the game because if they cared enough about the gold farming, they would do everything they could to stop it. Why do you think credit card companies go so hard after fraudsters? Because they have the resources to and it devalues their brand when someone makes fraudulent purchases with their cards. Obviously Blizzard doesn't care enough.
 
2012-09-27 04:18:35 PM

roc6783: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Smackledorfer: ***snip***
And it still doesn't change my point about the other poster's comment. It has nothing to do with the game. The game clearly proscribes the behavior and makes no accommodations for it, so how can I blame the game because some ex-dirt-farmer in a Chinese sweatshop is grinding out gold so some current Cheetohs-farmer in his mom's basement down the street from me can buy it through an illicit auction site?

You can blame the game because if they cared enough about the gold farming, they would do everything they could to stop it. Why do you think credit card companies go so hard after fraudsters? Because they have the resources to and it devalues their brand when someone makes fraudulent purchases with their cards. Obviously Blizzard doesn't care enough.


I find it interesting that you assume that Blizzard isn't doing everything they can to stop it. Do you have some inside knowledge you're not sharing with us, or is this just another "OMG, GOLD FARMERZ STILL EXIST IN WOW, THEREFOR BLIZZ ISNT TRYING HARD ENUFF" screed?
 
2012-09-27 04:44:07 PM

Teufelaffe: roc6783: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Smackledorfer: ***snip***

I find it interesting that you assume that Blizzard isn't doing everything they can to stop it. Do you have some inside knowledge you're not sharing with us, or is this just another "OMG, GOLD FARMERZ STILL EXIST IN WOW, THEREFOR BLIZZ ISNT TRYING HARD ENUFF" screed?


Is the hate toward people who use automation to gather gold beyond human parameters or towards people who sell excess gold for actual money? I am not sure if only one of those fits the definition of "gold farmer". If it is the second option, then no, Blizzard has no extensive ability to monitor those people and stop them. It may happen occasionally, but then the person just sets up shop under a new identity and continues.

If Blizzard's game code is being manipulated and they really cared, that would seem to be a major priority since it would be a compromise of their corporate security.
 
2012-09-28 05:31:55 AM
www.gametrailers.com

I like how in the bottom center picture the one guy is making his perusal face. "Hmmm, so many choices. Gotta think it over. Don't want to steal the wrong copy of Diablo III and have to come back."
 
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