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(Team Coco)   Conan O'Brien has started a Change.org petition to constitutionally ban reality TV losers from interrogating the POTUS. Bonus: The URL   (teamcoco.com) divider line 55
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2012-09-27 04:38:37 AM
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Wait, what? 
 

/Hot like Alaska and Palin are not.
 
2012-09-27 04:38:46 AM
No it is fair to say Romney will fail the middle class.
 
2012-09-27 04:46:13 AM
Conan got so worked up watching reality TV loser Elisabeth Hasselbeck interview President Obama

Hasselbeck had the audacity to bring up income disparity?
 
2012-09-27 04:50:13 AM
From the comments:

I LOVE CONAN UNTIL THIS STATEMENT. AS AN INDEPENDENT, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT DEMOCRAT VS. REPUBLICAN. ANYONE WHO IS A LEGAL CITIZEN OF THE US HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK THE PRESIDENT ANY QUESTION THEY HAVE ON THEIR MIND. HE WORKS FOR US!

Apparently Americans have the right to speak to the POTUS, in all caps.
 
2012-09-27 05:02:24 AM
Wait, what? This is a problem that needs to be addressed?
 
2012-09-27 05:08:22 AM
I read some of the comments on the page, and all I can say is that over two and a half centuries since Swift's "A Modest Proposal" and people still can't identify satirical proposals? We have no right to claim that we are an intelligent species.
 
2012-09-27 05:28:01 AM
She seems like a really nice and pretty girl. then she opens her mouth and starts talking.
 
2012-09-27 05:29:52 AM
Facebook comments: the new YouTube comments.
 
2012-09-27 05:35:44 AM

Hobodeluxe: She seems like a really nice and pretty girl. then she opens her mouth and starts talking.


'Skin deep' describes not only her beauty but her intellect.

Hasselback is to the The View what Alan Colmes was to HANNITY and colmes back in the day only, you know... wrong all the time.
 
2012-09-27 05:47:44 AM
Wait. You mean people actually watch The View?

...why?
 
2012-09-27 06:04:52 AM

Kibbler: Wait. You mean people actually watch The View?

...why?


Sometimes, the sound of rubbing a balloon with one's finger tips while the cat fightst the vacuum cleaner isn't enough. Sometimes, you need the real deal.
 
2012-09-27 06:36:58 AM
All those words after "TV" are unneeded.
 
2012-09-27 06:44:44 AM

God-is-a-Taco: All those words after "TV" are unneeded.


dingdingding! And you are my Farker of the Day!
 
2012-09-27 06:51:46 AM
As dumb as she is, I am impressed that she asked the question. I have not seen that specific talking point anywhere. Did she come up with it herself?
 
2012-09-27 06:55:16 AM

AngryTeacher: As dumb as she is, I am impressed that she asked the question. I have not seen that specific talking point anywhere. Did she come up with it herself?


What was the question?
 
2012-09-27 07:00:31 AM

jules_siegel: What was the question?


Basically, she was offended that Obama said Romney does not support the middle class. She spewed a bunch of stats. Then said Obama is the real destroyer of the middle class.
 
2012-09-27 07:47:22 AM
How does Conan feel about Univision?
 
2012-09-27 08:07:02 AM
She consistently comes out with prepared lists of papers.

Fark her. She's paid to do what she does by someone other than Barbara. Barbara should have fired her years ago. It's probably only because she can afford to work cheap.
 
2012-09-27 08:21:57 AM
At least nobody listens to Hasselbeck. It's Trump who needs to shut up.
 
2012-09-27 08:22:34 AM
Hasselbeck: "Some would ask, is it unfair to assume that Mitt Romney may fail the middle class when statistically speaking, they'd argue that, your administration is failing the middle class"

This is a pretty good example of "argumentum ad populum" (appeal to the people).

Hasselbeck uses the tired, old, easily defeated tactic of claiming to speak for some unknown mass of people that have negative feelings without specifying who those people actually are. It is like that manipulative person who is in everyone's life that says things like "you know, everybody is saying that you are [insert less than desirable quality or personal habit here] and you might want to think about not doing that thing." However, when pressed on who is saying such things, the same old excuses of "I can't exactly remember who said that" or "I really can't tell you that because they told me in private" are used to defer from having to give credence. Typical conversational terrorism.

In short, it was a troll and the President did the absolute correct thing and did not feed it.

Hasselbeck really needs to get up a little earlier and come up with a better line if she thinks she can bait Obama into a no-win, faux argument. Instead, she just looks like so many conservatives out there - uninformed, too reliant on less-than-well-planned verbal assaults masquerading as legitimate argument and falling back on stale phrases like "failing the middle class" that they think will goad a person like the President into a dog-chase-tail argument.

But this is par for the course as of late. I have noticed conservatives getting increasingly desperate with their rhetoric. The shaming tactics they had a success with earlier are not working so well now and they are flailing like a drowning person in a lake. Hasselbeck was using a fallacy that had some legs maybe 6 months to a year ago, but has since been debunked so many times and dismissed overall, bringing it up does not win political brownie points but elicits only eye rolls.

Besides, with a candidate like Romney walking around with concentric circles drawn on his shoes, he has no problem finding his target to self-wound and he is offering up a seemingly unending stream of reasons not to elect him. Hasselbeck should just fold up the tent and wait for 2016. 

(sorry for the wall-o-text. EH just really annoys me) 
 
2012-09-27 08:43:24 AM

homelessdude: Besides, with a candidate like Romney walking around with concentric circles drawn on his shoes, he has no problem finding his target to self-wound and he is offering up a seemingly unending stream of reasons not to elect him.


It took me about 20 seconds to figure out this was an allusion to "shooting yourself in the foot". I'm way too tired to be reading the internet right now.

Agreed, btw.
 
2012-09-27 08:45:34 AM
Why not just ban reality television people from speaking altogether?
 
2012-09-27 08:49:32 AM
Conan is still on?
 
2012-09-27 08:53:43 AM
I must admit, Elizabeth Haselbeck is the only person in the world who makes me scream profanities at my television. I hate that biatch. I would pay Whoopi to punch her teeth out.
 
2012-09-27 09:01:44 AM
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2012-09-27 09:13:51 AM

66puppies: I must admit, Elizabeth Haselbeck is the only person in the world who makes me scream profanities at my television. I hate that biatch. I would pay Whoopi to punch her teeth out.


She's no more or less vapid than any of the FoxBlondes.
 
2012-09-27 09:25:24 AM
Sorry Conan fanboys, but this is really stupid, and I say that as a Democrat.

No matter how stupid or loaded the question is, the President of the United States should not filter who gets to ask them questions.

One of the things I respect about Obama is that he has gone on Fox News where he's been treated like crap given how most GOP politicians refuse to go on any news channel other than Fox because they want every aspect of their interviews to be scripted.
 
2012-09-27 09:28:06 AM

66puppies: I must admit, Elizabeth Haselbeck Joy Bahar is the only person in the world who makes me scream profanities at my television. I hate that biatch. I would pay Whoopi to punch her teeth out.

 

Whoopi could make alot of money from both sides!
 
2012-09-27 09:33:09 AM
Seriously, what a biatch. Why wasn't she cowering and averting her eyes? How dare any mere mortal even attempt to gaze upon the mighty visage of the great and all-powerful Obama, much less speak directly to him?
 
2012-09-27 09:41:21 AM
Mitt Romney wants to raise your taxes so that he can lower his own. That's all you really need to know about the man
 
2012-09-27 09:42:15 AM
Anyone should get a chance to ask the President a question. The President is not some ruler appointed by God. He is elected by the people. And, the really nice thing is that if someone asks a dumb question, they look dumb. (Seriously, Hasselbeck, you want to grill the guy who ISN'T raising the middle class tax bill to benefit the super rich on not championing the middle class?) I like Conan. I still like Conan even though he is dead wrong about this. And I still don't like that shrill, yappy, lap-dog of a View host.
 
2012-09-27 09:50:44 AM
The exceptions list will come back to haunt him when Blair (from The Facts of Life) wins Survivor and spends the next 4 years derping at Obama.
 
2012-09-27 10:08:49 AM

DeaH: Anyone should get a chance to ask the President a question. The President is not some ruler appointed by God. He is elected by the people. And, the really nice thing is that if someone asks a dumb question, they look dumb. (Seriously, Hasselbeck, you want to grill the guy who ISN'T raising the middle class tax bill to benefit the super rich on not championing the middle class?) I like Conan. I still like Conan even though he is dead wrong about this. And I still don't like that shrill, yappy, lap-dog of a View host.


Serious question here - are you and thornhill both retarded?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

Really guys. I mean REALLY.
 
2012-09-27 10:24:04 AM

TwistedFark: DeaH: Anyone should get a chance to ask the President a question. The President is not some ruler appointed by God. He is elected by the people. And, the really nice thing is that if someone asks a dumb question, they look dumb. (Seriously, Hasselbeck, you want to grill the guy who ISN'T raising the middle class tax bill to benefit the super rich on not championing the middle class?) I like Conan. I still like Conan even though he is dead wrong about this. And I still don't like that shrill, yappy, lap-dog of a View host.

Serious question here - are you and thornhill both retarded?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

Really guys. I mean REALLY.


This R serious thread. They R serious posters.
 
2012-09-27 10:24:08 AM

homelessdude:
But this is par for the course as of late. I have noticed conservatives getting increasingly desperate with their rhetoric. The shaming tactics they had a success with earlier are not working so well now and they are flailing like a drowning person in a lake. Hasselbeck was using a fallacy that had some legs maybe 6 months to a year ago, but has since been debunked so many times and dismissed overall, bringing it up does not win political brownie points but elici ...


Serious question, do you think the american public has become better at spotting troll arguments because of folks increasing exposure to the internet (and thus increasing exposure to trolls)? Maybe the populace is actually getting better at picking out these bullshiat arguments because they are exposed to them more frequently on the intertubes.
 
2012-09-27 10:24:45 AM
Wow, you people in this thread are pretty gullible....no, that is too nice of a word for you - cock sucking morons, that that's more appropriate.

You DO understand it was a "joke", right? He making fun of her (as well as the situation) as a vapid reality TV star "who didn't even win survivor" and being able to ask "hard ball questions to the POTUS. The fact any of you cock sucking morons couldn't see that, makes me wish death upon you because you're too farking stupid to live. No I am serious, I want you out of this life ASAP. You're talking up valuable space and you're a cancer to to human evolution.
 
2012-09-27 10:32:16 AM
Bad as Hasselbeck may have behaved, it's well within her rights as an American citizen to question the president.
 
2012-09-27 10:34:20 AM

Dogfacedgod: Wow, you people in this thread are pretty gullible....no, that is too nice of a word for you - cock sucking morons, that that's more appropriate.

You DO understand it was a "joke", right? He making fun of her (as well as the situation) as a vapid reality TV star "who didn't even win survivor" and being able to ask "hard ball questions to the POTUS. The fact any of you cock sucking morons couldn't see that, makes me wish death upon you because you're too farking stupid to live. No I am serious, I want you out of this life ASAP. You're talking up valuable space and you're a cancer to to human evolution.


Oh I get the joke from the segment.

I just don't like joking about censorship.
 
2012-09-27 10:58:49 AM

amiable:
Serious question, do you think the american public has become better at spotting troll arguments because of folks increasing exposure to the internet (and thus increasing exposure to trolls)? Maybe the populace is actually getting better at picking out these bullshiat arguments because they are exposed to them more frequently on the intertubes.


I think yes. Certainly I am no expert, but I have done a bit of poking around to understand the often circular arguments that come out of people's mouths. (And this is not just limited to conservatives either). Another thing is that I have shifted away from watching just about any show that deals with political issues, (save for maybe the Daily Show) because, as evidenced with Hasselhoff, these TV personalities are less interested in discourse than stating a point that cannot be debated. Just about every, if not all, shows on TV and their on-air "talent" are guilty of this. Instead, I gravitate towards whatever unbiased sources including the actual cited sources the media quotes to form my own opinion.

End result is that I tend to just call bullshiat right out of the gate. If a person (like Hasselhoff) is so uninformed they cannot come up with an actual question (as opposed to a loaded opinion posing as a question) then they will not be given respect because I don't see them giving it either. Just like one would do with a forum troll. She wasn't asking a question, she was stating an opinion wrapped up with a question mark.

The crazy thing about all this is yes, Conan was playing an editing joke. However in the full version and worse for Hasselbeck, she opened up the door to Obama to make a 3 minute policy speech as opposed to reacting to her less than insightful verbal fart. She thought she was going for the jugular with the "question" but ended up allowing another less than flattering description of Romney to be broadcast on national TV.

Heck, the Dems ought to hire EH. She is good for the Obama campaign.

Here is the actual response Obama gave.............(skip to the 35 second mark)
Hasselbeck "question" and Obama response (youtube) 

(ok...I have taken up enough screen space with this. back to lurking)
 
2012-09-27 11:19:56 AM

homelessdude: amiable:
Serious question, do you think the american public has become better at spotting troll arguments because of folks increasing exposure to the internet (and thus increasing exposure to trolls)? Maybe the populace is actually getting better at picking out these bullshiat arguments because they are exposed to them more frequently on the intertubes.

I think yes. Certainly I am no expert, but I have done a bit of poking around to understand the often circular arguments that come out of people's mouths. (And this is not just limited to conservatives either). Another thing is that I have shifted away from watching just about any show that deals with political issues, (save for maybe the Daily Show) because, as evidenced with Hasselhoff, these TV personalities are less interested in discourse than stating a point that cannot be debated. Just about every, if not all, shows on TV and their on-air "talent" are guilty of this. Instead, I gravitate towards whatever unbiased sources including the actual cited sources the media quotes to form my own opinion.

End result is that I tend to just call bullshiat right out of the gate. If a person (like Hasselhoff) is so uninformed they cannot come up with an actual question (as opposed to a loaded opinion posing as a question) then they will not be given respect because I don't see them giving it either. Just like one would do with a forum troll. She wasn't asking a question, she was stating an opinion wrapped up with a question mark.

The crazy thing about all this is yes, Conan was playing an editing joke. However in the full version and worse for Hasselbeck, she opened up the door to Obama to make a 3 minute policy speech as opposed to reacting to her less than insightful verbal fart. She thought she was going for the jugular with the "question" but ended up allowing another less than flattering description of Romney to be broadcast on national TV.

Heck, the Dems ought to hire EH. She is good for the Obama campaign.

Her ...


He dropped the "question" (was it a question or a talking point?) and basically used facts.

Two things the new republican party hates: satire, because they can't understand it, and facts.

"We're not going let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers,"
 
2012-09-27 11:38:38 AM

thornhill: Sorry Conan fanboys, but this is really stupid, and I say that as a Democrat. No matter how stupid or loaded the question is, the President of the United States should not filter who gets to ask them questions.


jigger: Seriously, what a biatch. Why wasn't she cowering and averting her eyes? How dare any mere mortal even attempt to gaze upon the mighty visage of the great and all-powerful Obama, much less speak directly to him?


DeaH: Anyone should get a chance to ask the President a question. The President is not some ruler appointed by God. He is elected by the people. And, the really nice thing is that if someone asks a dumb question, they look dumb. (Seriously, Hasselbeck, you want to grill the guy who ISN'T raising the middle class tax bill to benefit the super rich on not championing the middle class?) I like Conan. I still like Conan even though he is dead wrong about this


The Irish Times, November 17 1729

My name is Nora Doyle. I am a currently pregnant with a child and I am enraged to hear of such an outrageous proposal. How can anyone conceive of such an evil? Does Mister Swift possess a heart at all? This proposal is most definitely vile and horrendous. It's as if the Lucifer himself conjured up such a sadistic plan.

I may be poor but I am definitely not heartless. No one can put a price on innocent little being. I would not even think of selling my own child, not even for one second. Not even if someone paid me double, triple or even all the shillings in the world. Where is the humanity in this proposal? It is suggesting that we should resort to cannibalism and isn't cannibalism just plain murder? This whole idea just goes against the ideals of catholic faith, the faith that we Irish people and everyone in Ireland follow. This proposal contains murder and it disrupts us (Catholics) from spreading the word of the lord by murdering those who we had planned to entrust this mission to. 

I am not saying that the state of Ireland as it is right now is in a perfect state. In fact, it's the complete opposite. I understand why Swift attempted to create such a drastic proposal but he should not have even bothered to publish it. As a future mother I do not want my child to grow up in a society where even the thought of cannibalism would seem like an acceptable option. He should have spent his time to write something more productive and actually come up with an idea that could have actually benefitted the people of Ireland. I hope the people of Ireland would not be desperate enough to even consider the thought that this would be a viable alternative.
 
2012-09-27 11:41:24 AM

TwistedFark: DeaH: Anyone should get a chance to ask the President a question. The President is not some ruler appointed by God. He is elected by the people. And, the really nice thing is that if someone asks a dumb question, they look dumb. (Seriously, Hasselbeck, you want to grill the guy who ISN'T raising the middle class tax bill to benefit the super rich on not championing the middle class?) I like Conan. I still like Conan even though he is dead wrong about this. And I still don't like that shrill, yappy, lap-dog of a View host.

Serious question here - are you and thornhill both retarded?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

Really guys. I mean REALLY.


When Conan originally went on that rant about Elisabeth Hasselbeck it wasn't satire. More like a joke without a punch line. If you're saying this is satire, then it's really just Conan trying to save face for the stupidity of that rant.
 
2012-09-27 11:51:54 AM
Obama's actual response was some slick jazz.

I don't know why Republicans keep bringing up the teleprompter issue when it's been demonstrated over and over again that even without the teleprompter, Obama is still the smoothest, most jive-talking coolheaded motherfarking President since JFK.

Why do they keep doing that? When are they going to stop attacking his strengths and actually get in a point of contention this election season?
 
2012-09-27 11:54:37 AM

homelessdude: The crazy thing about all this is yes, Conan was playing an editing joke. However in the full version and worse for Hasselbeck, she opened up the door to Obama to make a 3 minute policy speech as opposed to reacting to her less than insightful verbal fart. She thought she was going for the jugular with the "question" but ended up allowing another less than flattering description of Romney to be broadcast on national TV.

Heck, the Dems ought to hire EH. She is good for the Obama campaign.


In the "Mitt's going on the view" thread, I said I couldn't wait for EH to try and "help" Mitt with her statements and questions. She'll think general Americans are real conservatives, and will end up forcing Romney to distance himself from them or from independents.
 
2012-09-27 11:55:43 AM
I'd extend that to all members of The View.
 
2012-09-27 12:41:05 PM

imontheinternet: Why not just ban reality television people from speaking altogether?


FTFY.
 
2012-09-27 01:33:07 PM

TwistedFark: DeaH: Anyone should get a chance to ask the President a question. The President is not some ruler appointed by God. He is elected by the people. And, the really nice thing is that if someone asks a dumb question, they look dumb. (Seriously, Hasselbeck, you want to grill the guy who ISN'T raising the middle class tax bill to benefit the super rich on not championing the middle class?) I like Conan. I still like Conan even though he is dead wrong about this. And I still don't like that shrill, yappy, lap-dog of a View host.

Serious question here - are you and thornhill both retarded?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

Really guys. I mean REALLY.


I like my satire to attack things that need to be attacked. "A Modest Proposal" was attacking the way the English treated the Irish. Colbert's SuperPAC bits attacked the way parties can use big money to manipulate the system. That's what it's for. What is Conan's satire attacking that needs to be attacked?

Or don't you really understand what satire is for?

/As for the retard bit, isn't there enough projection coming from the right wing?
 
2012-09-27 01:38:43 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: thornhill: Sorry Conan fanboys, but this is really stupid, and I say that as a Democrat. No matter how stupid or loaded the question is, the President of the United States should not filter who gets to ask them questions.

jigger: Seriously, what a biatch. Why wasn't she cowering and averting her eyes? How dare any mere mortal even attempt to gaze upon the mighty visage of the great and all-powerful Obama, much less speak directly to him?

DeaH: Anyone should get a chance to ask the President a question. The President is not some ruler appointed by God. He is elected by the people. And, the really nice thing is that if someone asks a dumb question, they look dumb. (Seriously, Hasselbeck, you want to grill the guy who ISN'T raising the middle class tax bill to benefit the super rich on not championing the middle class?) I like Conan. I still like Conan even though he is dead wrong about this

The Irish Times, November 17 1729

My name is Nora Doyle. I am a currently pregnant with a child and I am enraged to hear of such an outrageous proposal. How can anyone conceive of such an evil? Does Mister Swift possess a heart at all? This proposal is most definitely vile and horrendous. It's as if the Lucifer himself conjured up such a sadistic plan.

I may be poor but I am definitely not heartless. No one can put a price on innocent little being. I would not even think of selling my own child, not even for one second. Not even if someone paid me double, triple or even all the shillings in the world. Where is the humanity in this proposal? It is suggesting that we should resort to cannibalism and isn't cannibalism just plain murder? This whole idea just goes against the ideals of catholic faith, the faith that we Irish people and everyone in Ireland follow. This proposal contains murder and it disrupts us (Catholics) from spreading the word of the lord by murdering those who we had planned to entrust this mission to. 

I am not saying that the state of Ireland as it is right ...


"A Modest Proposal" was an attack on the way the English treated the Irish. It was an reductio ad absurdum of the arguments of what to do about the "Irish Problem." Another great example of satire is Colbert on SuperPACs. He was shining light in the absurdity and dangers of Citizens United.

What, pray, is Conan shining a light on?
 
2012-09-27 02:09:30 PM
48 comments and the Big Jaw trolls like UCFDerpWarrior still haven't managed to invade a Conan thread by bragging about their guy's senior citizen viewership and how Conan is a doodyhead?

Slipping guys.
 
2012-09-27 02:46:05 PM

DeaH: What, pray, is Conan shining a light on?


A corporate media system that has somehow made the line between "experienced journalist" and "top five contestant on a 'reality show'" irrelevant? An "everyone is special and important" society where being blonde and having a nice rack somehow puts you on equal footing with the Leader of the Free World? The total lack of self-awareness fostered by the "reality" TV industry?
 
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