torr5962: If you are correct, I would offer that that is a small segment of small business owners. Small business-the dry cleaning, the Rita's water ice, the car wash, the franchise of (fill in the blank), the neighborhood deli, the local UPS store, etc...they have taxes to pay for payroll, wages, etc. That is fulfilling their "social contract". The more places that open, the more people can be employed. This should be the goal of every community-open business and employ people. Obama seemed to be saying that small business owners are not paying enough; which is anecdotal and ignores the ones who do pay enough-in fact we pay a lot. And we do a huge service in the community by employing 27 people-let alone the charity functions we donate to and families we sponsor for clothes food and gifts during the holidays.
torr5962: Philip Francis QueegHow do you feel about those companies that pay so little that their workers require government assistance to meet their requirements for subsistence? Does it anger you that your taxes are used to subsidize their businesses?There's not collusion among the small businesses-some pay higher than others. To earn a higher wage, get experience in that field so that you become more skilled and demand a higher wage.
torr5962: It would be a tremendous stretch to assume that the business my wife and I started "exploited" anyone or anything. Even before the business was profitable, taxes were still paid.
torr5962: Philip Francis QueegSo you are OK with parasites as long as they are businesses. Got it.Dont be so small minded and petty.Tell us, do you pay your employees a living wage, or are you a moocher who let's others subsidize your business?What is a living wage to you? If I paid too less, wouldnt my employees quit? They don't have to work for me. We (my wife and I) far overpay our managers and 3 assistant managers, as well as a media director, marketing analyst, assistant and buyer.Are you inferring that I do more harm than good by owning a business? What exactly is your problem? I dont even know anything about "subsidizing". who are "others"?Im not Walmart, man, damn.
torr5962: How about the people below manager level? Do you pay all of your full time employees enough to get by without government assistance? Or do you offload costs onto the taxpayer so that you can be more profitable?Offload costs? Did you really write "offload" costs? Full-time salaried employees were promoted from within. Like all small businesses, people have to start somewhere to weed out the employees who suck from the one's who don't. But all of the positions are above min wage.I have a few questions for you Mr. Mutiny--How old are you? Where were you educated? This will tell me a lot, because honestly, you sound like a kid who read something in a textbook and is now trying to apply it to real-life.
torr5962: I get it now...you've experienced people taking advantage of the system and what you've described Wal-Mart has done to almost an art-form, simply to profits. You know full well then that I need to have part-time employees at a low cost not do subterfuge the system, but to weed out poor employees. The system is in place that if the part-timers do well and dont fark me, I will find a position for them. I cannot be at the business every day and I overpay the salaried people because I simply dont want them to leave. A business with 27-35 people is obviously not huge, but I think we've run it morally.Your tone up until your last post was nasty and condescending, making assumptions that ALL small businesses are somehow farking people over and leaching the system simply for a profit. I have had workers just flat out quit to take unemployment (which shouldnt be allowed, but I didnt fight it) and I have had employees rob (some young people do this)....this isnt any indication of their demographic, just those specific people.I know you understand that not all small businesses are created equal.
torr5962: Philip Francis QueegAnd you know what? The government may be assisting those low paid part time employees. That benefits your business directly. We all pay taxes to pay for that benefit to you. It's not a one way street of you being burdened to assist others. You take from the community as well as give to it.And I think its a fair relationship. Its not like we opened a business to take advantage of low wage employees. Most of these workers are college-aged and in college, or just out-of-college working adults. Those seem to be the sort of people that want to work, or at least want to work here. I dont think its necessarily a "burden" to have people work in this business-its a win-win as far as Im concerned. Because I exist in the community, I pay my "fair share" of government taxes, and I also go above and beyond where I see fit.. I am also providing something good in this community by having a business that turned out to be profitable (so far), and allowed me to hire more people.I dont see where this a bad thing. I also dont think, referring to the earlier point, that I am somehow underpaying to exist in this environment. There are a TON of costs, especially within the local government here in NJ ( a tight-locked Democratic stronghold). I disagree that somehow I should pay more. End of Discussion.sorry for double post...my copy editor is on vacation.
torr5962: Obama's speech inferred that all small business owners aren't paying their allotted amount as part of the social contract
Cookbook's Anarchist: torr5962: Obama's speech inferred that all small business owners aren't paying their allotted amount as part of the social contractIt implied nothing of the sort. Ridiculous inference is what you are guilty of. His speech was an attack on the notion that American business owners (large or small) accomplish what they accomplish because of the foundations laid before them. Ugg, terrible wording...his speech was a critique against the misguided notion that "job creators" attain success solely on their own merit without any aid from the accomplishments and efforts of others in their community. Things are not crafted in a vacuum, they don't magically line up on shelves...these small things are accomplished through the shared efforts of others.The large shopping center was not built by your money and your effort alone. The roads you drive to get to your store were not built by your money and effort alone. The customers you serve aid in what you build. To describe any success as self-attained is disingenuous. That was what you should have inferred from Obama's speech.
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