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2012-09-27 12:11:56 AM
i27.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-27 12:12:12 AM
The regular refs used pre season games as practice too. They won't be in Regular Season form for a few weeks.
 
2012-09-27 12:12:28 AM
Neat.
 
2012-09-27 12:12:53 AM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH were half way there

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH livin on a prayer.
 
2012-09-27 12:13:07 AM

srhp29: The regular refs used pre season games as practice too. They won't be in Regular Season form for a few weeks.


Less neat
 
2012-09-27 12:13:15 AM
That was fast
 
2012-09-27 12:13:55 AM

neuroflare: That was fast


The greenlight I meant
 
2012-09-27 12:14:37 AM

neuroflare: That was fast


I thought you were referring to the time between the end of the Monday Night Game and this agreement.
 
2012-09-27 12:15:23 AM

srhp29: The regular refs used pre season games as practice too. They won't be in Regular Season form for a few weeks.


Even in pre season form I'm sure the refs could officiate in the lingerie football league.

/jussayin'
 
2012-09-27 12:15:29 AM

srhp29: neuroflare: That was fast

I thought you were referring to the time between the end of the Monday Night Game and this agreement.


I should have played that card, but I was honest instead.

/damnit!
 
2012-09-27 12:15:51 AM
i.usatoday.net

It just isn't football without Ed Hochuli and his guns.
 
2012-09-27 12:16:25 AM
the real refs suck and are incompetent ass well!
 
2012-09-27 12:16:27 AM

Sachlpch: srhp29: The regular refs used pre season games as practice too. They won't be in Regular Season form for a few weeks.

Even in pre season form I'm sure the refs could officiate in the lingerie football league.

/jussayin'


Huchuli has been training them on conference calls and giving them pop quizzes. No farking joke, like all of the union refs. They'll be better than this rabble at the least
 
2012-09-27 12:16:53 AM
And starting tomorrow the "these refs are nearly as farking bad" chants will begin.

The greatest trick the NFLRA ever pulled was convincing the world they weren't terrible.
 
2012-09-27 12:17:02 AM

neuroflare: Huchuli


Hochuli :(
 
2012-09-27 12:17:24 AM
This should be fun. I can't wait to see how many cockups happen in week 4. Hopefully that will validate my claim that the scabs aren't that different from the traditional jackasses.

I've actually enjoyed the last few weeks. The replacements have generally let the defensive backs go out and do their job for a change. And there really haven't been that many mistakes, but they've been entertaining mistakes. Yes, I do enjoy watching slow speed train wrecks, why do you ask?
 
2012-09-27 12:17:37 AM

expobill: the real refs suck and are incompetent ass well!


You're not 'asposed to say that yet! Wait until after the kickoff!!
 
2012-09-27 12:18:43 AM

srhp29: The regular refs used pre season games as practice too. They won't be in Regular Season form for a few weeks.


Seriously? Did you read the article?
 
2012-09-27 12:18:56 AM

Epiphany: And starting tomorrow the "these refs are nearly as farking bad" chants will begin.

The greatest trick the NFLRA ever pulled was convincing the world they weren't terrible.


NewWorldDan: This should be fun. I can't wait to see how many cockups happen in week 4. Hopefully that will validate my claim that the scabs aren't that different from the traditional jackasses.

I've actually enjoyed the last few weeks. The replacements have generally let the defensive backs go out and do their job for a change. And there really haven't been that many mistakes, but they've been entertaining mistakes. Yes, I do enjoy watching slow speed train wrecks, why do you ask?


At least they won't give a team five timeouts
 
2012-09-27 12:19:07 AM
Good.
Bit too late for Packers fans though.
 
2012-09-27 12:19:16 AM

Nadie_AZ: Seriously? Did you read the article?


We're still on Fark, right? Who reads articles???
 
2012-09-27 12:19:41 AM
So...a one week honeymoon period for the original refs, then in week 5, "THESE FARKING REFS SUCK THE POTATO SCABS COULD HAVE DONE A JOB THIS SHIATTY FOR LESS MONEY111!!!!!!1!!!!"
 
2012-09-27 12:19:51 AM

neuroflare: neuroflare: Huchuli

Hochuli :(


Hulkuli.
 
2012-09-27 12:20:11 AM

SilentStrider: Good.
Bit too late for Packers fans though.


Most of them were afflicted at birth.
 
2012-09-27 12:20:47 AM

expobill: the real refs suck and are incompetent ass well!


incompetent ass-well 

Steve Young just actually said "Ed Hoculli is going to be out there with his big guns"
 
2012-09-27 12:20:53 AM

Tiberius Gracchus: neuroflare: neuroflare: Huchuli

Hochuli :(

Hulkuli.


Hochules.
 
2012-09-27 12:22:49 AM
i.imgur.com

U mad bro?
 
2012-09-27 12:22:55 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Tiberius Gracchus: neuroflare: neuroflare: Huchuli

Hochuli :(

Hulkuli.

Hochules.


Mr. Hochules.
 
2012-09-27 12:24:23 AM
Yay football!!

Yay another greenlight for me!!!
 
2012-09-27 12:26:08 AM

Harv72b: FirstNationalBastard: Tiberius Gracchus: neuroflare: neuroflare: Huchuli

Hochuli :(

Hulkuli.

Hochules.

Mr. Hochules.


They call him MISTER HOCHULES!

/Now is when I wish I had the photoshop skills to PS Sidney Poitier's face onto the magnificent body of Ed Hochuli.
 
2012-09-27 12:26:37 AM

Harv72b: FirstNationalBastard: Tiberius Gracchus: neuroflare: neuroflare: Huchuli

Hochuli :(

Hulkuli.

Hochules.

Mr. Hochules.


Mr. Ed Hercules
 
2012-09-27 12:26:40 AM
The Twitter machine ought to be blowin' up soon.
 
2012-09-27 12:26:55 AM
I do wonder how many refs were counting on a deal for their livelihood. I mean, how many of them have adequate "day jobs"?
Hochuli would've been fine regardless; he's a partner in a huge law firm, but how many others have similar 'fallbacks'?
 
2012-09-27 12:26:55 AM
http://www.replacementgoogle.com/

this gave me a chuckle
 
2012-09-27 12:28:27 AM
The nightmare is only just beginning, subby. When the regular refs start blowing big calls, which of course they have NEVER done before, you'll realize that this illusion you've had for the last few weeks of football being perfectly officiated and no mistakes are made by the pros, it was all because of the scabs, was exactly that, an illusion.

What will you do then? Who will you cry to? Will you blame Goodell for giving you exactly what you wanted?

The honeymoon will last until the coin toss 19 hours from now. Oh, sure, you'll have the articles of praise for a week or so and the announcers will fall all over each other to see who can fellate the refs harder, and ESPN will get another 72 hours of coverage out of it, but three weeks from now you'll have forgotten all about it and you'll probably be pissed off about how your favorite team got jobbed on a big play.
 
2012-09-27 12:28:27 AM
images.t-nation.com
 
2012-09-27 12:29:24 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com

Hochuli, Hochuli...
 
2012-09-27 12:30:36 AM
Oh, by the way, is the broad ref going away, too?

Did they keep her around to make sure Hochules gets his creatine sandwiches and muscle milk served to him on time?
 
2012-09-27 12:32:13 AM

Sachlpch: Mr. Ed Hercules


A ref is a ref
Of course of course
And no-one looks up to a ref
Of course
Unless of course
That ref of course
Is the FAMOUS MR. ED
 
2012-09-27 12:33:12 AM

Nadie_AZ: srhp29: The regular refs used pre season games as practice too. They won't be in Regular Season form for a few weeks.

Seriously? Did you read the article?


I have no idea what you meant. There is nothing in the article about the refs practicing a lot during this lockout.
 
2012-09-27 12:33:40 AM
The scab refs are now available to replace the inept Mitt Romney on the GOP ticket.
 
2012-09-27 12:34:22 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The nightmare is only just beginning, subby. When the regular refs start blowing big calls, which of course they have NEVER done before, you'll realize that this illusion you've had for the last few weeks of football being perfectly officiated and no mistakes are made by the pros, it was all because of the scabs, was exactly that, an illusion.

What will you do then? Who will you cry to? Will you blame Goodell for giving you exactly what you wanted?

The honeymoon will last until the coin toss 19 hours from now. Oh, sure, you'll have the articles of praise for a week or so and the announcers will fall all over each other to see who can fellate the refs harder, and ESPN will get another 72 hours of coverage out of it, but three weeks from now you'll have forgotten all about it and you'll probably be pissed off about how your favorite team got jobbed on a big play.


You're fooling yourself. I was firmly in the "fark those Zebras... they're part-time... and how hard can it be anyway" camp. Was I wrong.

The replacements have crammed 2 or 3 seasons (at least!) worth of officiating nonsense into three farking weeks.

Bad calls happen... mistakes happen... but they didn't used to happen in EVERY game.

/Subby.
 
2012-09-27 12:36:46 AM
Hey, I watched the game, thought it wasn't a reception...then tonight some local channel 13 news had the other angle from the goalposts...it clearly shows tate having more of it than I thought he would. Haters gonna hate.
 
2012-09-27 12:37:12 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The nightmare is only just beginning, subby. When the regular refs start blowing big calls, which of course they have NEVER done before, you'll realize that this illusion you've had for the last few weeks of football being perfectly officiated and no mistakes are made by the pros, it was all because of the scabs, was exactly that, an illusion.


The day I once again need a second set of fingers to count the number of blatantly miscalled penalties in a single game,
The day I next see extra timeouts given to multiple teams on the same weekend,
The day I see another 27-yard personal foul...

That's the day I'll come find you, shake your hand, and tell you how very right you are.
 
2012-09-27 12:37:47 AM
Leave the shenanigans to the real professionals.
 
2012-09-27 12:38:23 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The nightmare is only just beginning, subby. When the regular refs start blowing big calls, which of course they have NEVER done before, you'll realize that this illusion you've had for the last few weeks of football being perfectly officiated and no mistakes are made by the pros, it was all because of the scabs, was exactly that, an illusion.


Everyone expects a missed or blown call once in a while. At least these guys will know where to place the ball, what penalties result in what yardage mark-offs, where they should stand, how to run the clock, and all the rules of the pro game. They won't run around looking at each other hoping someone on the crew knows what the hell to do.
 
2012-09-27 12:41:23 AM
BAH GAWD KING, THAT'S ED HOCHULI'S MUSIC
 
2012-09-27 12:41:36 AM

Fade2black: Hey, I watched the game, thought it wasn't a reception...then tonight some local channel 13 news had the other angle from the goalposts...it clearly shows tate having more of it than I thought he would. Haters gonna hate.


Did that angle also show it wasn't a blatantly obvious pass interference on Tate?
When Oregon beat OU on that terrible onside kick "recovered by Oregon" when it really wasn't I couldn't do anything but accept the win but I wasn't happy about how it happened nor did I try to make myself believe it wasn't the wrong call. Lie to yourself all you want. It would be far less annoying if Seattle people, fans, players etc...would just say...Yeah, it was a shat call, what do you want us to do about it? We're taking the W.
Just STOP trying to make people see what didn't happen, a simultaneous catch. If he did and you could only tell from that goalpost angle...how the hell do you think the referee who called it a touchdown could tell from where he was?
 
2012-09-27 12:42:28 AM

The Bestest: I do wonder how many refs were counting on a deal for their livelihood. I mean, how many of them have adequate "day jobs"?
Hochuli would've been fine regardless; he's a partner in a huge law firm, but how many others have similar 'fallbacks'?


They all have primary jobs other than football. I saw one article (which I don't have a link for, sorry) that broke down several...I remember one is an inventor, there's a CEO or two, some other attorneys, schoolteachers, etc. I'm sure they could all make ends meet without the NFL, although there are probably more than a few who might have to adjust their lifestyles.
 
2012-09-27 12:44:22 AM

srhp29: how the hell do you think the referee who called it a touchdown could tell from where he was?


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-27 12:46:20 AM
Seahawks won a game, so they had to do something! :)
 
2012-09-27 12:47:41 AM

SilentStrider: Good.
Bit too late for Packers fans though.


And Saints fans. And [insert your team]. Tons of sh*t went down that no one saw, but the GB/SEA debacle was on national TV.
 
2012-09-27 12:50:21 AM
 
2012-09-27 12:52:30 AM

Fade2black: Hey, I watched the game, thought it wasn't a reception...then tonight some local channel 13 news had the other angle from the goalposts...it clearly shows tate having more of it than I thought he would. Haters gonna hate.


Last I checked you have to maintain possession of the ball through making contact with the ground in order to have completed the catch, simultaneous posession or not. Tate clearly lost the ball on the ground. Ergo Packers ball.

/Doesn't matter, Packers lost either way
//Doesn't matter, there was OPI either way as well
 
2012-09-27 12:55:11 AM
Bah, much less randomness now. Here's hoping the pro refs allow a better flow to the game, I guess.
 
2012-09-27 12:55:51 AM
Why don't the morans in here claiming the regular refs are just as bad provide us with some evidence of them giving teams extra timeouts, walking off the wrong amount of yards after penalties, calling teams by the wrong name, allowing players to have a skirmish after every single game, and running around with bewildered looks on their faces like they thought the had signed up to be futbol refs and they can't understand why the ball is oblong and brown.

Go ahead, we'll be waiting.
 
2012-09-27 12:55:58 AM

Sachlpch: Last I checked you have to maintain possession of the ball through making contact with the ground in order to have completed the catch, simultaneous posession or not


So what are you doing now that your weekend is free?
 
2012-09-27 12:56:41 AM
www1.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2012-09-27 12:56:53 AM

VvonderJesus: Replacement Refs: August 2012-September 2012

They will not be missed.


i6.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-27 12:56:57 AM
I never thought I'd be doing this for a bunch of refs, but...
media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-27 12:58:22 AM
It would be AWESOME if the real refs got a simultaneous catch ruling wrong this week.
 
2012-09-27 12:59:02 AM
Finally, quality refs like Pete Morelli and Bill Leavy will be back to work.
 
2012-09-27 01:00:02 AM

NewWorldDan: This should be fun. I can't wait to see how many cockups happen in week 4. Hopefully that will validate my claim that the scabs aren't that different from the traditional jackasses.

I've actually enjoyed the last few weeks. The replacements have generally let the defensive backs go out and do their job for a change. And there really haven't been that many mistakes, but they've been entertaining mistakes. Yes, I do enjoy watching slow speed train wrecks, why do you ask?


I agree man, I have had more fun watching the NFL than I can ever remember. Its been constant lol fest and im sad the scab refs are gone.
 
2012-09-27 01:02:57 AM
The nightmare is over. Feel bad for you Packers fans that had to deal with the epitome of stupidity, but at least it is over now.
 
2012-09-27 01:06:35 AM

muck4doo: The nightmare is over. Feel bad for you Packers fans that had to deal with the epitome of stupidity, but at least it is over now.


The Packers were the tip of the spear that lead to salvation!
 
2012-09-27 01:09:53 AM
I hope the players remain chippy next week so we can get penalties for "giving him the business down there" called by refs again.
 
2012-09-27 01:10:34 AM

muck4doo: The nightmare is over. Feel bad for you Packers fans that had to deal with the epitome of stupidity, but at least it is over now.


You KNOW Goodell is going to have The Memo out in full force for them.
 
2012-09-27 01:16:07 AM

neuroflare: That was fast


About farking time.
 
2012-09-27 01:16:14 AM

muck4doo: The nightmare is over. Feel bad for you Packers fans that had to deal with the epitome of stupidity, but at least it is over now.


The Packers' home field advantage died for our sins.
 
2012-09-27 01:18:22 AM
I just called Rog to say thanks, and tell him he has balls. I can't believe he had the balls to think that he could pull this off, but I had to congratulate him on having the balls to pull this off. farking mammal.
 
2012-09-27 01:19:28 AM

The Bestest: I do wonder how many refs were counting on a deal for their livelihood. I mean, how many of them have adequate "day jobs"?
Hochuli would've been fine regardless; he's a partner in a huge law firm, but how many others have similar 'fallbacks'?


70 attorneys is not a "huge" law firm.
 
2012-09-27 01:31:07 AM
I'm waiting for the Twilight Zone twist.

"Despite all uproar, calls are still getting botched...leading to Super Bowl 47, Texans/Cardinals...that's how the was won... in the Twilight Zone."
 
2012-09-27 01:32:20 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So...a one week honeymoon period for the original refs, then in week 5, "THESE FARKING REFS SUCK THE POTATO SCABS COULD HAVE DONE A JOB THIS SHIATTY FOR LESS MONEY111!!!!!!1!!!!"


No. They start on Thursday.
 
2012-09-27 01:33:25 AM

eddievercetti: I'm waiting for the Twilight Zone twist.

"Despite all uproar, calls are still getting botched...leading to Super Bowl 47, Texans/Cardinals...that's how the was won... in the Twilight Zone."


Paul Tagliabue is winrar.
 
2012-09-27 01:35:32 AM
Yay! We win! Unless we lose, then me lose.
 
2012-09-27 01:41:51 AM
I guess this will be the last thread I can post these in then ...

i1222.photobucket.com

i1222.photobucket.com

Good riddance scabs.
 
2012-09-27 01:45:26 AM

Grunz: The Bestest: I do wonder how many refs were counting on a deal for their livelihood. I mean, how many of them have adequate "day jobs"?
Hochuli would've been fine regardless; he's a partner in a huge law firm, but how many others have similar 'fallbacks'?

70 attorneys is not a "huge" law firm.


It is when they're suing you.
 
2012-09-27 01:48:46 AM

GreatGlavinsGhost: I guess this will be the last thread I can post these in then ...

[i1222.photobucket.com image 786x590]

[i1222.photobucket.com image 815x537]

Good riddance scabs.


Those two pictures will still be relevant for many, many other reasons.
 
2012-09-27 01:48:57 AM
Just when the Raven fans had perfected getting 74,000 to chant "Bullshiat" in perfect unison. Oh well, I'm sure more opportunities will come up.
 
2012-09-27 01:50:10 AM
I hope every stadium gives them a standing ovation when they are announced and then boo them off the field like they deserve! Stupid refs!
 
2012-09-27 02:11:28 AM
assets.nydailynews.com
 
2012-09-27 02:13:22 AM
i212.photobucket.com

That said, the replacements will not be missed. Had the regular refs been in that game, you would have seen the Seahawks were the better team.
 
2012-09-27 02:23:23 AM

VvonderJesus: BAH GAWD KING, THAT'S ED HOCHULI'S MUSIC


(glass shattering)

BAH GAWD, HE'S BROUGHT ALONG STONE COLD!!! STONE COLD!!! STONE COLD!!!! THESE REPLACEMENTS ARE GONNA GET SLAUGHTERED LIKE A HERD OF GOVERNMENT MULES!!!
 
2012-09-27 02:27:07 AM
Lets see what FARK's football fans thought of the tested and proven best, hand picked, fairest dream team crew of officials that the NFL could assemble during the Superbowl this lasr February.

Publikwerks: If the pats lose by two, I'm literally going to murder the ref.
John Buck 41: At least we know early on the farking officials are on the Giants payroll. Good to know.
Pastorof Muppets Apparently, Referee John Parry's father, David, a longtime official, passed in 2011. In homage John Parry's beanbag contains his father's cremains
Waelordrooper What a display of unbiased reffing "unbiased" officiating
Epiphany Good job refs. Pass Interference is not a real thing anyways. Catch is good, now we see if the refs are REALLY farking with the Giants. CATCH IS GOOD! refs confirmed for not blatantly cheating. still dumbasses when it comes to DPI. Patriots holding all day long. TD. Bullshiat.
Bulldog4life No pass interference? Had his hand around his shoulder...
ICWEENER NO FLAG???!!!
Damn Yankees WHAT THE FRACK??? HOW IS THERE NO FLAG ON THAT????
Camrincrazy1984 He got mugged. Should've been DPI AGAIN.
Lord of Allusions Oh, that was definitely PI.
VW No DPI call? Bullcrap.
pump the purple warrior Bullshiat non call REF!
ClavellBCMI And a non-call on DPI causes the punt... WTG, officials.
SaintstryfeLooks like the refs are betting for the pats....
zamboniAny question that the refs are giving this to the Pats?No?Pats fan, huh?
nvmacI prefer to believe that occasionally, NFL referees make mistakes.
fat aristotle: Even Peter King thinks that was a missed PI call Am I the only one wishing that Hochuli could have come out and given the explanation of that review?
inertIt was obvious the refs were biased in favour of the Pats from the Gaints' opening drive when Manning was called for grounding and gave up a safety.
ljdjr34The ball wiggled on impact. How much do the refs want it?
steamingpile I never would believe it when a ref is involved.
puffy999Also, good on the Giants for having to beat the refs as well as the Pats.
kronicfeld I've seen holding on almost every play by both teams.


Same as it ever was
 
2012-09-27 02:31:05 AM
GODDAMN IT. WRONG FARKING LOCKOUT.
 
2012-09-27 02:35:23 AM

Grunz: The Bestest: I do wonder how many refs were counting on a deal for their livelihood. I mean, how many of them have adequate "day jobs"?
Hochuli would've been fine regardless; he's a partner in a huge law firm, but how many others have similar 'fallbacks'?

70 attorneys is not a "huge" law firm.


ugh...
 
2012-09-27 02:40:36 AM
There's a distinction that needs making in this thread.

I'm a Seahawks fan. Part of me was jumping up and down on that last play cheering. I'm glad we got the win and think maybe we earned part of it with our first half D.

But the realistic side knows that Tate didn't catch that ball and he only got close because he shoved a dude to the ground in order to get into position. There will be more calls like this once the real refs are back. I'm not sure they would have made the right call on the field either, and since it can't be challenged, I'm not so sure that the outcome would have been any different.

But two weeks prior, when the Hawks played the Cardinals, Seattle was granted a fourth timeout after their third had expired due to an injury. Ken Whisenhunt went (rightfully so) apeshiat and their was a 5 minute delay, followed by a replay (for some reason) followed by a penalty, followed by the refs congregating to mark off the yardage and place the ball. All in all the game was delayed for nearly 15 minutes despite their only being 20-some seconds on the clock.

There will be blown calls once the officials return. Controversy will never fully remove itself from the NFL as long as zebras continue to make the calls. What there wont be are embarrassing delays and petty mistakes like where to spot the ball. I can live with and forgive the former, but not the latter.
 
2012-09-27 02:43:24 AM
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2012-09-27 02:44:28 AM

mikaloyd: Epiphany Good job refs. Pass Interference is not a real thing anyways. Catch is good, now we see if the refs are REALLY farking with the Giants. CATCH IS GOOD! refs confirmed for not blatantly cheating. still dumbasses when it comes to DPI. Patriots holding all day long. TD. Bullshiat.


Epiphany: The greatest trick the NFLRA ever pulled was convincing the world they weren't terrible.


And I think we're done here. In other news, my hatred for the Patriots seems to transcend all logic or reason somehow.
 
2012-09-27 02:49:42 AM
Since I might not get to use this again:

i212.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-27 02:55:10 AM

SnarfVader: Since I might not get to use this again:

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Eh, keep it on file. The real refs are still blind (and, in some cases, ripped). The scabs were just blind and legally retarded.
 
2012-09-27 03:01:10 AM
I wonder how much of this had to do with the Packers/Seahawks and how much of this had to do with games continuously running long and likely pissing off a bunch of Network Execs.
 
2012-09-27 03:13:10 AM

Springy23: There's a distinction that needs making in this thread.

I'm a Seahawks fan. Part of me was jumping up and down on that last play cheering. I'm glad we got the win and think maybe we earned part of it with our first half D.

But the realistic side knows that Tate didn't catch that ball and he only got close because he shoved a dude to the ground in order to get into position. There will be more calls like this once the real refs are back. I'm not sure they would have made the right call on the field either, and since it can't be challenged, I'm not so sure that the outcome would have been any different.

But two weeks prior, when the Hawks played the Cardinals, Seattle was granted a fourth timeout after their third had expired due to an injury. Ken Whisenhunt went (rightfully so) apeshiat and their was a 5 minute delay, followed by a replay (for some reason) followed by a penalty, followed by the refs congregating to mark off the yardage and place the ball. All in all the game was delayed for nearly 15 minutes despite their only being 20-some seconds on the clock.

There will be blown calls once the officials return. Controversy will never fully remove itself from the NFL as long as zebras continue to make the calls. What there wont be are embarrassing delays and petty mistakes like where to spot the ball. I can live with and forgive the former, but not the latter.


As a Cardinals fan (and thus, a Seahawks hater since we're division rivals and all), you make a point that was vastly overlooked because of the massive fark up at the end of the game: The Seahawks were the better team Monday. They sacked Rodgers 8 times! And most of that with just a 4-man rush. The Packers O-Line was a sieve and that's being polite. The Eagles O-Line was saying they sucked (after Philly let Vick get sacked 5 times and hit 20 at Arizona the day before). But the Seahawks weren't has good in the 2nd half and let the Packers get back in it. If Seattle had just made a couple more plays offensively in the 2nd half, the TD that wasn't never happens.

The Seahawks deserved to win that game Monday. They just didn't deserve winning it that way.
 
2012-09-27 03:13:21 AM
I wonder what the nature of communications was among the several owners that led up to this magical "agreement."
Something along the lines of "We are one fan riot away from a broke-down season," perhaps?
That, or I'd like to have seen something serious or absurd be unflagged, then all the players from both teams just stand at attention on the field in a game-time work stoppage.
 
2012-09-27 03:30:33 AM

Triumph: Just when the Raven fans had perfected getting 74,000 to chant "Bullshiat" in perfect unison. Oh well, I'm sure more opportunities will come up.


The real losers in all of this are the poor Browns fans. There went their only shot at a win tonight.
 
2012-09-27 03:32:38 AM

mikaloyd: Same as it ever was


Ha! No Harv72b in that list, is there?? :p

Probably because I wasn't posting in the Super Bowl thread
 
2012-09-27 03:39:50 AM

desertgeek: The Seahawks deserved to win that game Monday. They just didn't deserve winning it that way.


Also, the Seahawks DEFINITELY deserved to be on the RIGHT side of shiatty calls for once in their existence. I'm a 49ers fan, and I hate the Seahawks, but the things that have happened to that franchise are farked up. The calls in the Super Bowl where the referee ADMITTED afterwards that he farked up stick straight out.

People wonder why Seahawks fans are being "classless" by saying "we will take that farking win and any others presented through farked up officiating" need to take a step back and look at that teams history. I'd love the Seahawks to be 1-2 right now, less of a path for the 49ers to get to the Super Bowl, but the fans deserved that win. It was "close enough" in real time for officials to be good enough to give it to them.

Also, had this been the Browns, Bills, Seahawks, Jaguars, etc who had gotten the interception against the Cowboys, Steelers, Patriots, Giants, PACKERS, then the media would have said "close enough to give it to them, can't overturn it". Since it was the media darlings they went with the outrage angle.
 
2012-09-27 03:45:15 AM

mikaloyd: Lets see what FARK's football fans thought of the tested and proven best, hand picked, fairest dream team crew of officials that the NFL could assemble during the Superbowl this lasr February.

Publikwerks: If the pats lose by two, I'm literally going to murder the ref.
John Buck 41: At least we know early on the farking officials are on the Giants payroll. Good to know.
Pastorof Muppets Apparently, Referee John Parry's father, David, a longtime official, passed in 2011. In homage John Parry's beanbag contains his father's cremains
Waelordrooper What a display of unbiased reffing "unbiased" officiating
Epiphany Good job refs. Pass Interference is not a real thing anyways. Catch is good, now we see if the refs are REALLY farking with the Giants. CATCH IS GOOD! refs confirmed for not blatantly cheating. still dumbasses when it comes to DPI. Patriots holding all day long. TD. Bullshiat.
Bulldog4life No pass interference? Had his hand around his shoulder...
ICWEENER NO FLAG???!!!
Damn Yankees WHAT THE FRACK??? HOW IS THERE NO FLAG ON THAT????
Camrincrazy1984 He got mugged. Should've been DPI AGAIN.
Lord of Allusions Oh, that was definitely PI.
VW No DPI call? Bullcrap.
pump the purple warrior Bullshiat non call REF!
ClavellBCMI And a non-call on DPI causes the punt... WTG, officials.
SaintstryfeLooks like the refs are betting for the pats....
zamboniAny question that the refs are giving this to the Pats?No?Pats fan, huh?
nvmacI prefer to believe that occasionally, NFL referees make mistakes.
fat aristotle: Even Peter King thinks that was a missed PI call Am I the only one wishing that Hochuli could have come out and given the explanation of that review?
inertIt was obvious the refs were biased in favour of the Pats from the Gaints' opening drive when Manning was called for grounding and gave up a safety.
ljdjr34The ball wiggled on impact. How much do the refs want it?
steamingpile I never would believe it when a ref is involved.
puffy999Also, good on the Giant ...


That was good! You should also posts peoples comments about the 13 minute delay while the refs figured out a ball spot... or that penalty they marked off 2 yards wrong... or some posts about the 4th time out the Pats got at the end of the game.

Let's see those comments. C'mon... let;s see 'em.

/Everybody... shhh...
//They aren't there.
///shhhhhhhh
 
2012-09-27 04:10:07 AM

neuroflare: At least they won't give a team five timeouts


I like a bit of randomness to punch up an otherwise boring game.
 
2012-09-27 04:10:54 AM

lelio: neuroflare: At least they won't give a team five timeouts

I like a bit of randomness to punch up an otherwise boring game.


Also normal refs have given teams 4 timeouts before.
 
2012-09-27 04:31:15 AM
One thing I would like to give mikaloyd a lot of credit for in his list of past fark comments from the Super Bowl was including comments for people who hated the refs for the patriots, hated refs for the giants, and accepted refs for making mistakes.

I think thats the thing no one really got from his comment (myself included). People will hate the refs for calls against the team you want to win, and accept the refs for being fallable if they don't have a dog in the fight.

Well played, mikaloyd, I knew i had you Favorited for a reason.
 
2012-09-27 04:45:26 AM
 
2012-09-27 04:45:54 AM

mikaloyd: Lets see what FARK's football fans thought of the tested and proven best, hand picked, fairest dream team crew of officials that the NFL could assemble during the Superbowl this lasr February.

Publikwerks: If the pats lose by two, I'm literally going to murder the ref.
John Buck 41: At least we know early on the farking officials are on the Giants payroll. Good to know.
Pastorof Muppets Apparently, Referee John Parry's father, David, a longtime official, passed in 2011. In homage John Parry's beanbag contains his father's cremains
Waelordrooper What a display of unbiased reffing "unbiased" officiating
Epiphany Good job refs. Pass Interference is not a real thing anyways. Catch is good, now we see if the refs are REALLY farking with the Giants. CATCH IS GOOD! refs confirmed for not blatantly cheating. still dumbasses when it comes to DPI. Patriots holding all day long. TD. Bullshiat.
Bulldog4life No pass interference? Had his hand around his shoulder...
ICWEENER NO FLAG???!!!
Damn Yankees WHAT THE FRACK??? HOW IS THERE NO FLAG ON THAT????
Camrincrazy1984 He got mugged. Should've been DPI AGAIN.
Lord of Allusions Oh, that was definitely PI.
VW No DPI call? Bullcrap.
pump the purple warrior Bullshiat non call REF!
ClavellBCMI And a non-call on DPI causes the punt... WTG, officials.
SaintstryfeLooks like the refs are betting for the pats....
zamboniAny question that the refs are giving this to the Pats?No?Pats fan, huh?
nvmacI prefer to believe that occasionally, NFL referees make mistakes.
fat aristotle: Even Peter King thinks that was a missed PI call Am I the only one wishing that Hochuli could have come out and given the explanation of that review?
inertIt was obvious the refs were biased in favour of the Pats from the Gaints' opening drive when Manning was called for grounding and gave up a safety.
ljdjr34The ball wiggled on impact. How much do the refs want it?
steamingpile I never would believe it when a ref is involved.
puffy999Also, good on the Giant ...


Therefore, the replacement refs are President and Ed Hochuli is reassigned to mayor of Wasilla.

/WHAT. THE FARK. DO YOU WANT?
 
2012-09-27 04:48:07 AM

Epiphany: lelio: neuroflare: At least they won't give a team five timeouts

I like a bit of randomness to punch up an otherwise boring game.

Also normal refs have given teams 4 timeouts before.


True.

How many times have the "normal" refs done it in a three week span?
 
2012-09-27 04:49:19 AM

Fade2black: Hey, I watched the game, thought it wasn't a reception...then tonight some local channel 13 news had the other angle from the goalposts...it clearly shows tate having more of it than I thought he would. Haters gonna hate.


Video in question
 
2012-09-27 05:08:52 AM

4NSpy: Fade2black: Hey, I watched the game, thought it wasn't a reception...then tonight some local channel 13 news had the other angle from the goalposts...it clearly shows tate having more of it than I thought he would. Haters gonna hate.

Video in question


Wait, it wasn't in question, it was just mentioned.
 
2012-09-27 05:16:33 AM

NewWorldDan: This should be fun. I can't wait to see how many cockups happen in week 4. Hopefully that will validate my claim that the scabs aren't that different from the traditional jackasses.

I've actually enjoyed the last few weeks. The replacements have generally let the defensive backs go out and do their job for a change. And there really haven't been that many mistakes, but they've been entertaining mistakes. Yes, I do enjoy watching slow speed train wrecks, why do you ask?


If you LOOK hard, you will see screwups, no one is perfect. The problem with the scabs was you didnt have to look. It was every third play.
 
2012-09-27 05:18:28 AM

Fade2black: Hey, I watched the game, thought it wasn't a reception...then tonight some local channel 13 news had the other angle from the goalposts...it clearly shows tate having more of it than I thought he would. Haters gonna hate.


Let me guess? Seattle area?

looks....

YUP. People without Seahawks affiliation are pretty unanimous here man. Homers gonna home.
 
2012-09-27 05:20:53 AM

SnarfVader: [i212.photobucket.com image 576x324]

That said, the replacements will not be missed. Had the regular refs been in that game, you would have seen the Seahawks were the better team.



You do realize that you might have to play the Packers again, right? I mean if they Seahawks are as good as you think they are?
 
2012-09-27 05:24:33 AM

4NSpy: Fade2black: Hey, I watched the game, thought it wasn't a reception...then tonight some local channel 13 news had the other angle from the goalposts...it clearly shows tate having more of it than I thought he would. Haters gonna hate.

Video in question


Well, yeah, AFTER THEY WRESTLE ON THE GROUND, he shares posession, thats why the ref put his hands in the air. thats not the point. The play was over by then.
 
2012-09-27 05:44:59 AM

I sound fat: 4NSpy: Fade2black: Hey, I watched the game, thought it wasn't a reception...then tonight some local channel 13 news had the other angle from the goalposts...it clearly shows tate having more of it than I thought he would. Haters gonna hate.

Video in question

Well, yeah, AFTER THEY WRESTLE ON THE GROUND, he shares posession, thats why the ref put his hands in the air. thats not the point. The play was over by then.


Wrong. The point is the ref closest to the play ruled it a touchdown. The ref running up the sideline ruled it a touch back. Like what happens with all refs, it went to a booth review. That booth could NOT determine possession.

It's a Seahawks win. No matter how many times you or I or anyone can see all the angles and say it was clearly intercepted (it was) the ref who mattered ruled it a TD.

This shiat has happened TONS of times with real refs. Its a judgement cal. And fast motion you give the tie to the offense.

God knows the Seahwaks fans have dealt with the same ruling against them multiple times.

/49ers fan, again
//fark the Seahawks, they deserved that win
 
2012-09-27 06:34:22 AM
big>richkidsbrand.com
Happy to have our employees back.
 
2012-09-27 06:46:55 AM
Now at least half the teams and their fans will have to admit they lost their latest game because they suck.
 
2012-09-27 07:07:33 AM
I can't believe that farking ref ruled that a catch!!!

Just practicing for the calls these regular refs will blow.
 
2012-09-27 07:07:54 AM
The replacement refs were still better than Jerry Markbreit all day long .
 
2012-09-27 07:19:49 AM
...one play too late.
 
2012-09-27 07:23:55 AM

neuroflare: neuroflare: Huchuli

Hochuli :(


Herculi?
 
2012-09-27 08:00:58 AM
The real refs aren't as good as we think they are today (mikaloyd's post aside), and the replacements aren't as bad as we're making them out to be. I think that it was the petty stuff that was making people mad- the ten-minute huddles, not whistling plays dead, mismarking the balls, etc. With the judgement calls, the ratio of getting them "right" was probably about the same if not slightly worse than the regular officials, but calls like that are ludicrously tough to make in real time at the speed that the NFL runs, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to do it.

However, the key difference (as pointed out by a local radio show yesterday) is that the real officials have so much more invested in this than the replacements, so you have guys that work their way up for years as interns, observers, etc. and simply devote far more time into the profession than people who are fully aware that they'll only sniff the gig for a couple of weeks. It's why that simple stuff is rarely an issue, and thus why the games are much more controlled and nearly a half-hour shorter. Players and fans alike still don't like them, but there's a certain begrudging acknowledgement of basic ability (respect is too strong of a word, IMO) when the guy making the call has been trained to do it over the course of 5-10 years.
 
2012-09-27 08:01:13 AM

Harry_Seldon: [www1.pictures.zimbio.com image 594x387]


You know that's a picture of regular referee Mike Carey, right?
 
2012-09-27 08:05:33 AM

NewWorldDan: This should be fun. I can't wait to see how many cockups happen in week 4. Hopefully that will validate my claim that the scabs aren't that different from the traditional jackasses.

I've actually enjoyed the last few weeks. The replacements have generally let the defensive backs go out and do their job for a change. And there really haven't been that many mistakes, but they've been entertaining mistakes. Yes, I do enjoy watching slow speed train wrecks, why do you ask?


The tradeoff is the extra half hour of a game and the little minifights every time said DBs do their job, which are just pointless. I think the biggest thing to come out of the Inaccurate Reception is that it pointed out the glaring flaws in what the replacement refs did wrong that we take for granted every game.
 
2012-09-27 08:05:56 AM

LessO2: Harry_Seldon: [www1.pictures.zimbio.com image 594x387]

You know that's a picture of regular referee Mike Carey, right?


thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2012-09-27 08:11:12 AM

Rannuci: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 264x322]

Hochuli, Hochuli...


Boy, would I like to pour some hot grease on you.
 
2012-09-27 08:13:59 AM

The Bestest: I do wonder how many refs were counting on a deal for their livelihood. I mean, how many of them have adequate "day jobs"?
Hochuli would've been fine regardless; he's a partner in a huge law firm, but how many others have similar 'fallbacks'?


One of the white hats is a friend of a radio show, Todd and Tyler, here in Empire City. They've talked to him during the lock out and get texts from him during NFL games. Apparently, most of the officiating crews have regular jobs, more than a few a attorneys, and relatively few count on the NFL gig for income. Lock outs typically work best on groups who are losing their sole means of income. These guys could sit back and negotiate as long as they felt it was necessary.
 
2012-09-27 08:16:49 AM

I sound fat: 4NSpy: Fade2black: Hey, I watched the game, thought it wasn't a reception...then tonight some local channel 13 news had the other angle from the goalposts...it clearly shows tate having more of it than I thought he would. Haters gonna hate.

Video in question

Well, yeah, AFTER THEY WRESTLE ON THE GROUND, he shares posession, thats why the ref put his hands in the air. thats not the point. The play was over by then.


Simultaneous possession went out the window the minute one guy had both hands on the ball and the other guy didn't. And the league said it was simultaneous possession which means even the league and Roger Goodell got the call wrong after the game.
 
2012-09-27 08:24:00 AM

bluorangefyre: VvonderJesus: BAH GAWD KING, THAT'S ED HOCHULI'S MUSIC

(glass shattering)

BAH GAWD, HE'S BROUGHT ALONG STONE COLD!!! STONE COLD!!! STONE COLD!!!! THESE REPLACEMENTS ARE GONNA GET SLAUGHTERED LIKE A HERD OF GOVERNMENT MULES!!!


lol I love the JR meme.
 
2012-09-27 08:36:58 AM
Awesome. Can't wait for these replacement ref threads to be gone, to be replaced by people biatching about calls made by the regular refs.
 
2012-09-27 08:45:22 AM
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net

Gonna miss those guys. They were fun.
 
2012-09-27 08:45:46 AM

The Crepes of Wrath: Awesome. Can't wait for these replacement ref threads to be gone, to be replaced by people biatching about calls made by the regular refs.


I'll just wait here while you find any other day in Fark's history that had 11 threads in one day devoted to the regular refs.
 
2012-09-27 08:48:07 AM
The "Gun Show" is back in town! XD

i1182.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-27 09:10:04 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: The Crepes of Wrath: Awesome. Can't wait for these replacement ref threads to be gone, to be replaced by people biatching about calls made by the regular refs.

I'll just wait here while you find any other day in Fark's history that had 11 threads in one day devoted to the regular refs.


A big deal was made about it because everyone knew they weren't the real refs. If it wasnt the real refs we would have gotten over and accepted the human element......like we have done every year, in every sport since forever.
 
2012-09-27 09:22:22 AM

Brostorm: A big deal was made about it because everyone knew they weren't the real refs. If it wasnt the real refs we would have gotten over and accepted the human element......like we have done every year, in every sport since forever.


Games in which I simply wanted to enjoy football were unwatchable. The pace was destroyed, the calls were inconsistent, and as of Monday night they could be outright wrong many more times in one game than in the combination of a few weeks from a normal season. If Monday night were the real refs, they would have conferred and problem would have been avoided.

Honestly, quit trying to say that the others are as bad.
 
2012-09-27 09:22:27 AM
Didn't t the Fark NFL Experts™ tell us that even if a deal was reached this week, the soonest we'd see the regular refs back would be week 4, because of all the red tape they'd have to go through?
 
2012-09-27 09:27:40 AM

BigSnatch: Didn't t the Fark NFL Experts™ tell us that even if a deal was reached this week, the soonest we'd see the regular refs back would be week 4, because of all the red tape they'd have to go through?


Roger Goodell temporarily lifted the lockout, because he cares about the fans!
 
2012-09-27 09:30:34 AM

mikaloyd: Lets see what FARK's football fans thought of the tested and proven best, hand picked, fairest dream team crew of officials that the NFL could assemble during the Superbowl this lasr February.

Publikwerks: If the pats lose by two, I'm literally going to murder the ref.
John Buck 41: At least we know early on the farking officials are on the Giants payroll. Good to know.
Pastorof Muppets Apparently, Referee John Parry's father, David, a longtime official, passed in 2011. In homage John Parry's beanbag contains his father's cremains
Waelordrooper What a display of unbiased reffing "unbiased" officiating
Epiphany Good job refs. Pass Interference is not a real thing anyways. Catch is good, now we see if the refs are REALLY farking with the Giants. CATCH IS GOOD! refs confirmed for not blatantly cheating. still dumbasses when it comes to DPI. Patriots holding all day long. TD. Bullshiat.
Bulldog4life No pass interference? Had his hand around his shoulder...
ICWEENER NO FLAG???!!!
Damn Yankees WHAT THE FRACK??? HOW IS THERE NO FLAG ON THAT????
Camrincrazy1984 He got mugged. Should've been DPI AGAIN.
Lord of Allusions Oh, that was definitely PI.
VW No DPI call? Bullcrap.
pump the purple warrior Bullshiat non call REF!
ClavellBCMI And a non-call on DPI causes the punt... WTG, officials.
SaintstryfeLooks like the refs are betting for the pats....
zamboniAny question that the refs are giving this to the Pats?No?Pats fan, huh?
nvmacI prefer to believe that occasionally, NFL referees make mistakes.
fat aristotle: Even Peter King thinks that was a missed PI call Am I the only one wishing that Hochuli could have come out and given the explanation of that review?
inertIt was obvious the refs were biased in favour of the Pats from the Gaints' opening drive when Manning was called for grounding and gave up a safety.
ljdjr34The ball wiggled on impact. How much do the refs want it?
steamingpile I never would believe it when a ref is involved.
puffy999Also, good on the Giant ...


That is epic.

But don't rain on our parade; we are celebrating the return of our heroes, who are only slightly less knowledgeable about the rules of the game than us fans!
 
2012-09-27 09:32:36 AM

Epiphany: And starting tomorrow the "these refs are nearly as farking bad" chants will begin.

The greatest trick the NFLRA ever pulled was convincing the world they weren't terrible.


I never get this argument. First off I think that a major part of the problem as nothing to do with how good/bad the replacement refs are compared to the regulars. Its that there are conclusively better refs out there and the NFL refused to hire them

But more to the point, as far as American sports go, I think that NFL refs are probably the best officials out there. Sure a team that loses a close game may have fans that biatch about calls here and there, but are you going to say they are worse than "herp a derp WHOMAN ELEMENT" baseball umpires? Or *shudder* NBA refs?
 
2012-09-27 09:36:27 AM

4NSpy: 4NSpy: Fade2black: Hey, I watched the game, thought it wasn't a reception...then tonight some local channel 13 news had the other angle from the goalposts...it clearly shows tate having more of it than I thought he would. Haters gonna hate.

Video in question?

Wait, it wasn't in question, it was just mentioned.


Now it is in question
 
2012-09-27 09:41:05 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Yay football!!

Yay another greenlight for me!!!


Act like you've been there before.
 
2012-09-27 09:46:32 AM

I sound fat: SnarfVader: [i212.photobucket.com image 576x324]

That said, the replacements will not be missed. Had the regular refs been in that game, you would have seen the Seahawks were the better team.


You do realize that you might have to play the Packers again, right? I mean if they Seahawks are as good as you think they are?


Yeah, I do realize that. Unfortunately I don't see the Seahawks as winning the NFC West this year at all. If they do meet it will be in Green Bay as a wild card. Then all hell will break loose.

The Packers do have some problems to fix, though. Protecting Rodgers is one of the biggest ones. They should work it out and make the play-offs. We shall see.
 
2012-09-27 09:46:43 AM

thecpt: Brostorm: A big deal was made about it because everyone knew they weren't the real refs. If it wasnt the real refs we would have gotten over and accepted the human element......like we have done every year, in every sport since forever.

Games in which I simply wanted to enjoy football were unwatchable. The pace was destroyed, the calls were inconsistent, and as of Monday night they could be outright wrong many more times in one game than in the combination of a few weeks from a normal season. If Monday night were the real refs, they would have conferred and problem would have been avoided.

Honestly, quit trying to say that the others are as bad.


Come on now, let the Seahawks fans say the replacement refs are just as good.
 
2012-09-27 09:53:57 AM
Great, now all the lemmings can latch on to the next outrage du jour. Silly media programmed robots.

At least it is good to know we will never see another bad call in the NFL though, right? Right?
 
2012-09-27 09:56:50 AM
Just in time to go watch the Bears play the Cowboys on MNF.

/Go Bears
 
2012-09-27 09:57:18 AM
Maybe the games will be under 4 hours now? Some of us have really short attenti
 
2012-09-27 10:12:56 AM

BigSnatch: Didn't t the Fark NFL Experts™ tell us that even if a deal was reached this week, the soonest we'd see the regular refs back would be week 4, because of all the red tape they'd have to go through?


But they are TRUE NFL FANSTM whose enlightenment comes from a shaded mountainside high in Nepal. They are NFL MYSTICSTM with insight hidden from mere mortals.

Me? I'm just a BIG FAT FARKTM
 
2012-09-27 10:18:33 AM

Harv72b: The Bestest: I do wonder how many refs were counting on a deal for their livelihood. I mean, how many of them have adequate "day jobs"?
Hochuli would've been fine regardless; he's a partner in a huge law firm, but how many others have similar 'fallbacks'?

They all have primary jobs other than football. I saw one article (which I don't have a link for, sorry) that broke down several...I remember one is an inventor, there's a CEO or two, some other attorneys, schoolteachers, etc. I'm sure they could all make ends meet without the NFL, although there are probably more than a few who might have to adjust their lifestyles.


I believe that at least at one point refs were required to make a minimum salary on their primary jobs in an effort to reduce the likelihood of bribery. I have a friend who was a D3 ref who was hoping to move to D1 and maybe NFL and I remember him talking about this, it was rather interesting.
 
2012-09-27 10:20:12 AM
As my wife said last night- "Only a week late" and my thought- Goodell still must resign. He will never have the respect of the league after this debacle.
 
2012-09-27 10:22:01 AM
When you realize that most NFL officials have been working games at LEAST for 20-30 years, starting in high school or Pop Warner, working their way up through better high school games, then smaller colleges, then bigger colleges, then Division I NCAA games, and then finally getting the NFL call, and then most of them have been in the NFL 10 years or more, and they get replaced by officials who worked at BEST The Arena League - and most of them not even making it there, and THEN getting thrust into the NFL, which has the most complicated rules and mechanics set in sports - it was inevitable that there would be a game changing explosion. Not to mention a LOT of very crappy chippy games. As poor as many think the regular officials are ( more on that below ), the regular refs know the NFL game, are used to the pace and feel, and while mistakes will be made - they are human after all - things will be done more like they should.

Now - about what fans think about how referees/umpires work, and when they think they are 'bad'. I am a high school and league softball ump. I have been doing it for about 25 years. In order to work both high school and league games I have to pass a closed book written test every year for each group. I always get at the very least 97-98% correct on each test. There is not a fan, player or coach out there who could do better than 50-60% on these tests (passing is 70 by the way). How do I know this? I assist every year at the school our high school group runs for entry level officials for high school ball. I LOVE doing this, as we always have more than few former players who want to be umpires, and think it will be easy. We usually aren't more than halfway our first session, when they will come up to us an start going: "Wow- I never knew that!" or "OHHH..that's why you called that!", etc, etc. By the end of the session, they are like, "Man - theres SO much you guys need to know!", or "Man...this is HARD!" And this is so they can work school games with 6th/7th/8th grade girls. And these are people who have playing a good part of their lives. I was working a league game with one our new people about 3/4 of the way through our season, and after the game I asked him, "So Hector, before you took the class, how much did you think you knew about softball?" and he answered, " I thought I knew it all!" Me: And now how much do you realize you actually knew?" Him: " I knew NOTHING!" Which just about sums it up. So here is what you should realize while watching ANY sport on TV or in the stands:

1. The officials out there, whether it be a football referee, baseball/softball umpire, hockey or basketball ref, know their rule book better than you or anyone else ever will. This applies especially at the professional level. If you are watching your kid's Little League game, you are probably watching a volunteer. Nothing against volunteers, but you do usually get what you pay for - if the umpire is wearing a tshirt with 'umpire' on it, wearing catchers shin guards outside his/her pants, and is using the big balloon protector, odds are on the kid was handed a rule book, and was wished 'good luck' Don't expect much from that umpire.

2. There is not a single announcer on TV or radio who knows squat about the rules. None of them has ever had to pass a rulebook test, or ever actually been out a field working a game. Just because so and so was an All Pro/All Star player does not mean a thing - in fact it makes it worse probably. See my story with the new guy above. Our line is, if someone has been playing 20 years, it means they have been getting the rules WRONG for 20 years. The best thing ever done for TV, was when FOX hired Mike Peirera to act as a rules interpreter for its broadcasts. That should be MANDATORY for every big time sport. Especially during playoff/World Series/Stanley Cup time.

and yes 3. We WILL make mistakes. BIG ones sometimes. We are all humans. We get tired. BUT - most of our mistakes are in front of people. If an NFL ref blows one in the Super Bowl, or an umpire in the World Series, people all over the world see it. It is GOING TO HAPPEN. And guess what? No one, but no one hates more than we do. We know when we have really screwed up, I have screwed up calls in nothing slow pitch leagues, and worry about for the next couple of days. Live with it - I bet you have made just as bad mistakes in YOUR job.....and you still get paid.

So welcome back Ed Guns Hochuli, Mike Carey and every anonymous field judge/side judge and linesman - you were SORELY missed!
 
2012-09-27 10:37:23 AM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Just in time to go watch the Bears play the Cowboys on MNF.

/Go Bears


Since they are playing the Cowboys, go Bears too!
 
2012-09-27 10:38:53 AM

ATRDCI: Epiphany: And starting tomorrow the "these refs are nearly as farking bad" chants will begin.

The greatest trick the NFLRA ever pulled was convincing the world they weren't terrible.

I never get this argument. First off I think that a major part of the problem as nothing to do with how good/bad the replacement refs are compared to the regulars. Its that there are conclusively better refs out there and the NFL refused to hire them

But more to the point, as far as American sports go, I think that NFL refs are probably the best officials out there. Sure a team that loses a close game may have fans that biatch about calls here and there, but are you going to say they are worse than "herp a derp WHOMAN ELEMENT" baseball umpires? Or *shudder* NBA refs?


The thing that factors in with the MLB/NBA/NHL officials is the grind factor - MLB umps, except for two weeks vaation - are on the road SEVEN months a year. Same with the NBA and NHL. You try that and see how well you perform your job.
 
2012-09-27 10:40:56 AM
As an old nightmare disappears...a new nightmare begins:

i.dailymail.co.uk

WTF, New York. Are you that jealous over having the lesser pizza?
 
2012-09-27 10:43:02 AM
t2.gstatic.com

Mr. Hanalei
 
2012-09-27 10:55:14 AM
At least we can focus on the games now instead of the refs.
 
2012-09-27 11:06:18 AM

BigSnatch: Didn't t the Fark NFL Experts™ tell us that even if a deal was reached this week, the soonest we'd see the regular refs back would be week 4, because of all the red tape they'd have to go through?


Am I missing something, or isn't this week 4?
 
2012-09-27 11:06:26 AM

zeppo: When you realize that most NFL officials have been working games at LEAST for 20-30 years, starting in high school or Pop Warner, working their way up through better high school games, then smaller colleges, then bigger colleges, then Division I NCAA games, and then finally getting the NFL call, and then most of them have been in the NFL 10 years or more, and they get replaced by officials who worked at BEST The Arena League - and most of them not even making it there, and THEN getting thrust into the NFL, which has the most complicated rules and mechanics set in sports - it was inevitable that there would be a game changing explosion. Not to mention a LOT of very crappy chippy games. As poor as many think the regular officials are ( more on that below ), the regular refs know the NFL game, are used to the pace and feel, and while mistakes will be made - they are human after all - things will be done more like they should.

Now - about what fans think about how referees/umpires work, and when they think they are 'bad'. I am a high school and league softball ump. I have been doing it for about 25 years. In order to work both high school and league games I have to pass a closed book written test every year for each group. I always get at the very least 97-98% correct on each test. There is not a fan, player or coach out there who could do better than 50-60% on these tests (passing is 70 by the way). How do I know this? I assist every year at the school our high school group runs for entry level officials for high school ball. I LOVE doing this, as we always have more than few former players who want to be umpires, and think it will be easy. We usually aren't more than halfway our first session, when they will come up to us an start going: "Wow- I never knew that!" or "OHHH..that's why you called that!", etc, etc. By the end of the session, they are like, "Man - theres SO much you guys need to know!", or "Man...this is HARD!" And this is so they can work school game ...


Well done.

There is a large and identifiable difference between the replacement referees and the regular referees. Yes, the NFLRA isn't perfect, but that's not the point. The point is that the replacements were so woefully inadequate (by calls made on the field) that even the layman could tell they sucked. Even my beloved Niners benefited from the 4-5 timeouts they gave Harbaugh last weekend. I think this will benefit the NFL in the long run, as more attention will be paid to the referees and how well they do their job. The NFL gets credit here for forcing reviews and possible action against referees who routinely miss calls.

Fans biatch about calls all the time, mostly when they don't go their way. But holy cow, do some of you really think that the replacement refs weren't any different than the real refs? You're smoking crack.

/fav
 
2012-09-27 11:11:21 AM
Zeppo, I think I love you. As I have aged I have come to realize that alot of what I complained about in my youth was nothing more than me being childish. I now know that there really is alot of specialization that goes into being a referee or umpire. But gosh darn it to heck, I am going to complain like the dickens when something goes against my team or for any team that I loathe.
 
2012-09-27 11:13:31 AM
Damn, I was hoping they would just say 'frak it' and start playing by NFL blitz style rules.
 
2012-09-27 11:14:58 AM

Sunrazor: But gosh darn it to heck, I am going to complain like the dickens when something goes against my team or for any team that I loathe.


I doubt any of us make it through the first quarter without screaming, or at least thinking, something vile about the refs. But we won't mean it quite as much as we used to.
 
2012-09-27 11:15:44 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The nightmare is only just beginning, subby. When the regular refs start blowing big calls, which of course they have NEVER done before, you'll realize that this illusion you've had for the last few weeks of football being perfectly officiated and no mistakes are made by the pros, it was all because of the scabs, was exactly that, an illusion.

What will you do then? Who will you cry to? Will you blame Goodell for giving you exactly what you wanted?

The honeymoon will last until the coin toss 19 hours from now. Oh, sure, you'll have the articles of praise for a week or so and the announcers will fall all over each other to see who can fellate the refs harder, and ESPN will get another 72 hours of coverage out of it, but three weeks from now you'll have forgotten all about it and you'll probably be pissed off about how your favorite team got jobbed on a big play.

You're fooling yourself. I was firmly in the "fark those Zebras... they're part-time... and how hard can it be anyway" camp. Was I wrong.

The replacements have crammed 2 or 3 seasons (at least!) worth of officiating nonsense into three farking weeks.

Bad calls happen... mistakes happen... but they didn't used to happen in EVERY game.

/Subby.


THIS.
 
2012-09-27 11:16:23 AM
If only we could get this much outrage the next time congress passes a law that screws over large numbers of people for the benefit of their wealthy friends...
 
2012-09-27 11:19:11 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: As an old nightmare disappears...a new nightmare begins:

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WTF, New York. Are you that jealous over having the lesser pizza?


www.aaron-powell.com

/How About No?
 
2012-09-27 11:21:05 AM

zeppo: ATRDCI: Epiphany: And starting tomorrow the "these refs are nearly as farking bad" chants will begin.

The greatest trick the NFLRA ever pulled was convincing the world they weren't terrible.

I never get this argument. First off I think that a major part of the problem as nothing to do with how good/bad the replacement refs are compared to the regulars. Its that there are conclusively better refs out there and the NFL refused to hire them

But more to the point, as far as American sports go, I think that NFL refs are probably the best officials out there. Sure a team that loses a close game may have fans that biatch about calls here and there, but are you going to say they are worse than "herp a derp WHOMAN ELEMENT" baseball umpires? Or *shudder* NBA refs?

The thing that factors in with the MLB/NBA/NHL officials is the grind factor - MLB umps, except for two weeks vaation - are on the road SEVEN months a year. Same with the NBA and NHL. You try that and see how well you perform your job.


Plus the NHL refs do all that on skates! I would pay to see Guns or Mike C. on skates.
 
2012-09-27 11:27:37 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: As an old nightmare disappears...a new nightmare begins:

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wtf? that makes no sense. zero. seriously, wtf?

/also the refs should have asked for a pony too.
 
2012-09-27 11:31:46 AM
Trollhawks strike again:

i715.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-27 11:38:22 AM

Harv72b: BigSnatch: Didn't t the Fark NFL Experts™ tell us that even if a deal was reached this week, the soonest we'd see the regular refs back would be week 4, because of all the red tape they'd have to go through?

Am I missing something, or isn't this week 4?


Sorry, meant Week 5, I'm still stuck in Week 3 I guess. Many of the experts told us that there's no way the regular officials would make it for the Thursday night game and this would mean that no regular officials would be allowed to officiate any games for the week. The experts told us they have to pass physicals and have their uniforms tailored before they'll be allowed to step foot on field, something that could not be achieved in such a short time period.
 
2012-09-27 11:43:43 AM

BigSnatch: Sorry, meant Week 5, I'm still stuck in Week 3 I guess. Many of the experts told us that there's no way the regular officials would make it for the Thursday night game and this would mean that no regular officials would be allowed to officiate any games for the week. The experts told us they have to pass physicals and have their uniforms tailored before they'll be allowed to step foot on field, something that could not be achieved in such a short time period.


I figured, but it wouldn't be Fark if you weren't ridiculed for a minor error that everyone realized was innocent. ;)
 
2012-09-27 11:53:50 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: As an old nightmare disappears...a new nightmare begins:

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x841]

WTF, New York. Are you that jealous over having the lesser pizza?


GTFO. I'm from Chicago, therefore I have authority over this issue, and Chicago pizza is a sloppier mess than the list of Brian Urlacher's herpes infected girlfriends.

Now, on the NYChicago shirts, where are these and where can I buy them?
 
2012-09-27 12:23:49 PM

poughdrew: Brian Urlacher's herpes infected girlfriends.


GREAT fantasy football team name.
 
2012-09-27 12:27:56 PM

desertgeek:
As a Cardinals fan (and thus, a Seahawks hater since we're division rivals and all), you make a point that was vastly overlooked because of the massive fark up at the end of the game: The Seahawks were the better team Monday. They sacked Rodgers 8 times! And most of that with just a 4-man rush. The Packers O-Line was a sieve and that's being polite. The Eagles O-Line was saying they sucked (after Philly let Vick get sacked 5 times and hit 20 at Arizona the day before). But the Seahawks weren't has good in the 2nd half and let the Packers get back in it. If Seattle had just made a couple more p ...


The refs let the packers get back in it. They blew a 3rd down pass interference call that would have ended Green Bay's drive, which ultimately led to their only TD. Had they got that right, the Hail Mary at the end would never have been thrown.

Final score of this game should have been 7-6 Seahawks.
 
2012-09-27 12:34:37 PM

Rent Party: The refs let the packers get back in it. They blew a 3rd down pass interference call that would have ended Green Bay's drive, which ultimately led to their only TD. Had they got that right, the Hail Mary at the end would never have been thrown.


This assumes that the Packers would have run the ball 3 straight times, with less than 2 minutes to play, on a drive starting at their own 7, had they not scored the go-ahead touchdown. You'll probably agree this is a flawed premise.
 
2012-09-27 12:45:10 PM

Harv72b: Rent Party: The refs let the packers get back in it. They blew a 3rd down pass interference call that would have ended Green Bay's drive, which ultimately led to their only TD. Had they got that right, the Hail Mary at the end would never have been thrown.

This assumes that the Packers would have run the ball 3 straight times, with less than 2 minutes to play, on a drive starting at their own 7, had they not scored the go-ahead touchdown. You'll probably agree this is a flawed premise.


In the second half, the Packers completely abandoned their passing game, often bringing in three tight ends to support their running back. The Seattle D had shut the passing game down completely.

Without the gimmee TD the refs gave the Packers at the beginning of the 4th quarter, the final Seahawks drive is not a Hail Mary into the end zone, but Marshawn Lynch smashing it between the tackles as much as he can, and Midget Rookie QB taking a knee.

Final is 7-6, 'Hawks.
 
2012-09-27 01:05:05 PM
What is the over/under on when everyone starts biatching about the "real" refs' bad calls? One week? Two?
 
2012-09-27 01:07:21 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: What is the over/under on when everyone starts biatching about the "real" refs' bad calls? One week? Two?


Seven minutes into the 1st quarter.
 
2012-09-27 01:08:39 PM

Rent Party: Harv72b: Rent Party: The refs let the packers get back in it. They blew a 3rd down pass interference call that would have ended Green Bay's drive, which ultimately led to their only TD. Had they got that right, the Hail Mary at the end would never have been thrown.

This assumes that the Packers would have run the ball 3 straight times, with less than 2 minutes to play, on a drive starting at their own 7, had they not scored the go-ahead touchdown. You'll probably agree this is a flawed premise.

In the second half, the Packers completely abandoned their passing game, often bringing in three tight ends to support their running back. The Seattle D had shut the passing game down completely.

Without the gimmee TD the refs gave the Packers at the beginning of the 4th quarter, the final Seahawks drive is not a Hail Mary into the end zone, but Marshawn Lynch smashing it between the tackles as much as he can, and Midget Rookie QB taking a knee.

I'm guessing because this is all total speculation, and cannot prove any of this, that the Final would be 7-6, 'Hawks, IMHO.



Fixed that for you.
 
2012-09-27 01:09:29 PM
The ref for tonight is the guy that farked up the fumble call in the Miami/Pittsburg game...
 
2012-09-27 01:10:32 PM

Rent Party: whizbangthedirtfarmer: What is the over/under on when everyone starts biatching about the "real" refs' bad calls? One week? Two?

Seven minutes into the 1st quarter.


the coin flip

www.thesmokingjacket.com
 
2012-09-27 01:11:03 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: As an old nightmare disappears...a new nightmare begins:

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Dammit, is there NOTHING Ashton Kutcher can't ruin?

/tomato casserole is NOT pizza
 
2012-09-27 01:11:21 PM

chuggernaught: Rent Party: Harv72b: Rent Party: The refs let the packers get back in it. They blew a 3rd down pass interference call that would have ended Green Bay's drive, which ultimately led to their only TD. Had they got that right, the Hail Mary at the end would never have been thrown.

This assumes that the Packers would have run the ball 3 straight times, with less than 2 minutes to play, on a drive starting at their own 7, had they not scored the go-ahead touchdown. You'll probably agree this is a flawed premise.

In the second half, the Packers completely abandoned their passing game, often bringing in three tight ends to support their running back. The Seattle D had shut the passing game down completely.

Without the gimmee TD the refs gave the Packers at the beginning of the 4th quarter, the final Seahawks drive is not a Hail Mary into the end zone, but Marshawn Lynch smashing it between the tackles as much as he can, and Midget Rookie QB taking a knee.

I'm guessing because this is all total speculation, and cannot prove any of this, that the Final would be 7-6, 'Hawks, IMHO.


Fixed that for you.


If you're going to whine about the refs blowing calls leading to TDs, you should whine about all of them. If all you're going to do is whine about the one that the Seahawks got, then you're just whining.

The Packers got a gift from the refs that put them ahead in the game. That is a fact, not speculation, or opinion.
 
2012-09-27 01:24:11 PM

Rent Party: In the second half, the Packers completely abandoned their passing game, often bringing in three tight ends to support their running back. The Seattle D had shut the passing game down completely.

Without the gimmee TD the refs gave the Packers at the beginning of the 4th quarter, the final Seahawks drive is not a Hail Mary into the end zone, but Marshawn Lynch smashing it between the tackles as much as he can, and Midget Rookie QB taking a knee.

Final is 7-6, 'Hawks.


For the record, I'm not disputing that the blown call did directly lead to Green Bay's touchdown (not to mention the questionable spot after the review of Rodgers' scramble on 3rd & 1). I'm pointing out that the remainder of the game plays out entirely differently if the correct call was made there, rendering any speculation as to what the final score or final drive would have looked like completely moot.

/Green Bay's second-half play-calling: 25 pass, 16 run.
 
2012-09-27 01:27:17 PM

Harv72b:

For the record, I'm not disputing that the blown call did directly lead to Green Bay's touchdown (not to mention the questionable spot after the review of Rodgers' scramble on 3rd & 1). I'm pointing out that the remainder of the game plays out entirely differently if the correct call was made there, rendering any speculation as to what the final score or final drive would have looked like completely moot.


Well then we have some common ground. My point is that all the "Packers got robbed!" whining is bunk. The entire game was officiated in an abhorrent manner, points were gained and lost due to the refs, so complaining about the final play of the game as some sort of massive injustice is pointless.
 
2012-09-27 01:39:23 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: As an old nightmare disappears...a new nightmare begins:

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x841]

WTF, New York. Are you that jealous over having the lesser pizza?


Deep dish =/= Neapolitan. Sorry to break it to Chicagoans.
 
2012-09-27 01:41:26 PM

Rent Party: Well then we have some common ground. My point is that all the "Packers got robbed!" whining is bunk. The entire game was officiated in an abhorrent manner, points were gained and lost due to the refs, so complaining about the final play of the game as some sort of massive injustice is pointless.


Agree 100% with the bolded part, but if I were a Packers fan (or hadn't seen the entire game) then of course I'd point out the final play as being the greater injustice. Going back and noting the myriad of other bad calls which led to that point would require a good deal of effort, and if there's one thing that we, as Americans, are good at it's being lazy.

No matter what call was made on that last play, the losing team would've been completely justified in feeling cheated & most of its fans would have pointed to that particular play when complaining.
 
2012-09-27 02:09:36 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: As an old nightmare disappears...a new nightmare begins:

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x841]

WTF, New York. Are you that jealous over having the lesser pizza?


Do you know the back story or reason for those shirts? I'm confused.

/Is it because we're playing Dallas this week? If so, that's a weak reason to have custom shirts made and to buy hats.
 
2012-09-27 02:12:01 PM

Rent Party: Harv72b: Rent Party: The refs let the packers get back in it. They blew a 3rd down pass interference call that would have ended Green Bay's drive, which ultimately led to their only TD. Had they got that right, the Hail Mary at the end would never have been thrown.

This assumes that the Packers would have run the ball 3 straight times, with less than 2 minutes to play, on a drive starting at their own 7, had they not scored the go-ahead touchdown. You'll probably agree this is a flawed premise.

In the second half, the Packers completely abandoned their passing game, often bringing in three tight ends to support their running back. The Seattle D had shut the passing game down completely.

Without the gimmee TD the refs gave the Packers at the beginning of the 4th quarter, the final Seahawks drive is not a Hail Mary into the end zone, but Marshawn Lynch smashing it between the tackles as much as he can, and Midget Rookie QB taking a knee.

Final is 7-6, 'Hawks.


Except it doesn't work that way. If the Packers had punted that drive, who knows what would've happened? Seahawks would've been in a different field position, which means different play calls, different defenses. Packers get the ball back and it is at a different spot, with probably more passing (since they would've been behind).

That would be like saying, in baseball, a 2-0 count getting a generous strike call that results in the player getting struck out versus hitting a home run. If it is a 3-0 count versus a 2-1 count, the pitcher throws a different pitch. The plays that are called vastly depend on the game situation and the score being 12-7 or 6-7 is a big difference.
 
2012-09-27 02:27:33 PM

vegaswench: At least we can focus on the games now instead of the refs.


i1182.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-27 02:28:44 PM

machoprogrammer: Rent Party: Harv72b: Rent Party: The refs let the packers get back in it. They blew a 3rd down pass interference call that would have ended Green Bay's drive, which ultimately led to their only TD. Had they got that right, the Hail Mary at the end would never have been thrown.

This assumes that the Packers would have run the ball 3 straight times, with less than 2 minutes to play, on a drive starting at their own 7, had they not scored the go-ahead touchdown. You'll probably agree this is a flawed premise.

In the second half, the Packers completely abandoned their passing game, often bringing in three tight ends to support their running back. The Seattle D had shut the passing game down completely.

Without the gimmee TD the refs gave the Packers at the beginning of the 4th quarter, the final Seahawks drive is not a Hail Mary into the end zone, but Marshawn Lynch smashing it between the tackles as much as he can, and Midget Rookie QB taking a knee.

Final is 7-6, 'Hawks.

Except it doesn't work that way. If the Packers had punted that drive, who knows what would've happened?


And that there is exactly the point. Crying that Green Bay got robbed on the final play is bullshiat, because it was only enabled by another blown call. You can just as easily say that the Seahawks got robbed by the bullshiat PI call that kept the Packer's drive alive.

The refs farked this one up so bad that crying over one play is pointless.
 
2012-09-27 02:36:21 PM

skrame:
Do you know the back story or reason for those shirts? I'm confused.

/Is it because we're playing Dallas this week? If so, that's a weak reason to have custom shirts made and to buy hats.


I'm going to pretend that was 'shopped....like it never existed.
 
2012-09-27 03:40:03 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: As an old nightmare disappears...a new nightmare begins:

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WTF, New York. Are you that jealous over having the lesser pizza?



Ah, Chicago. The city that fails in it's attempt to come in second place.
 
2012-09-27 04:19:26 PM
www.bitlogic.com
 
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