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(Deadspin)   Lance Easley, the replacement ref who signaled touchdown at the Seattle Screwjob, was deemed not ready for NCAA Division I football by a refereeing clinic run by top level officials   (deadspin.com) divider line 69
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2012-09-26 06:52:56 PM  
This is Jack's complete lack of surprise.
 
2012-09-26 06:54:20 PM  
It's called the Inaccurate Reception. Terminology, people.
 
2012-09-26 07:01:46 PM  
Good call
 
2012-09-26 07:02:16 PM  
"He's a very polite, good Christian gentleman

Being a Christian is a qualification for these clowns? Well that explains alot...
 
2012-09-26 07:03:36 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: "He's a very polite, good Christian gentleman

Being a Christian is a qualification for these clowns? Well that explains alot...


Well, it WAS a 'Hail Mary' pass, so...
 
2012-09-26 07:24:59 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Benevolent Misanthrope: "He's a very polite, good Christian gentleman

Being a Christian is a qualification for these clowns? Well that explains alot...

Well, it WAS a 'Hail Mary' pass, so...


Wait wait wait... Are you implying Catholics are Christians? Get thee to Chick!
 
2012-09-26 07:29:10 PM  
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What you don't see is the switch blade crammed between his ass cheeks

/I'd pack her
 
2012-09-26 08:37:44 PM  
Suck it, whiners.

Farking crybabies.
 
2012-09-26 08:38:11 PM  
you don't say.jpeg
 
2012-09-26 08:39:53 PM  
I'm over it. It sucks and Packers fans like myself got screwed. Time to move on to the Saints. If Packers lose this week, season is over.
 
2012-09-26 08:42:00 PM  

FriarReb98: It's called the Inaccurate Reception. Terminology, people.


Agreed. A Seattle Screwjob is what you get in Volunteer Park around midnight....

I've said too much.
 
2012-09-26 08:47:21 PM  
Well, yes. If he was actually qualified to be a ref he would be on a college field or a picket line.

How is this in any way suprising?
 
2012-09-26 08:51:27 PM  

FriarReb98: It's called the Inaccurate Reception. Terminology, people.


I like "The Fail Mary" the best.
 
2012-09-26 08:57:51 PM  
Replacement referees are not experienced NFL officials. More at 11.
 
2012-09-26 08:58:02 PM  

Treygreen13: FriarReb98: It's called the Inaccurate Reception. Terminology, people.

I like "The Fail Mary" the best.


I literally lol'd
 
2012-09-26 09:01:14 PM  
Helluva ref, if he sacked Aaron Rodgers 9 times and handed Seattle the game.
 
2012-09-26 09:02:20 PM  

scottydoesntknow: What you don't see is the switch blade crammed between his ass cheeks

/I'd pack her


Well, isn't that special?
 
2012-09-26 09:05:58 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Benevolent Misanthrope: "He's a very polite, good Christian gentleman

Being a Christian is a qualification for these clowns? Well that explains alot...

Well, it WAS a 'Hail Mary' pass, so...

Wait wait wait... Are you implying Catholics are Christians? Get thee to Chick!


I grew up Catholic and learned from some fundies that I was going to hell with the rest of the heathens. Back to the article...considering that they got some lingerie football rejects, this doesn't surprise me. I wonder how the real refs will do when they get back into the game? The pre-season gets some things ironed out. Now they have no experience this year reffing. Will their rust effect their calls?
 
2012-09-26 09:09:01 PM  

scottydoesntknow: [img.gawkerassets.com image 612x612]

What you don't see is the switch blade crammed between his ass cheeks

/I'd pack her


nice pic fake ref, not layin low?
 
2012-09-26 09:12:29 PM  
We get it, the refs are bad.

If you have such a problem with it, stop watching the NFL. If not, then shut the fark up.
 
2012-09-26 09:12:33 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Helluva ref, if he sacked Aaron Rodgers 9 times and handed Seattle the game.


Well, I mean, he did in fact do one of those things.
 
2012-09-26 09:14:35 PM  
Ok well past time to get over this issue.

It was just a football game and not a very good or important one.

Nobody died
 
2012-09-26 09:21:57 PM  

MugzyBrown: Ok well past time to get over this issue.

It was just a football game and not a very good or important one.

Nobody died


Tell that to the widow of the degenerate that owed his bookie big.
 
2012-09-26 09:24:05 PM  
The NFL reviewed it and said they made the right call. I'm suuuuuure all you Packer farks would be screaming just as loudly if the call had gone the other way on the field and the NFL called it a bad call after the fact. No, you don't care about the call being right, you just care about your team winning.
 
2012-09-26 09:29:40 PM  

Shaggy_C: The NFL reviewed it and said they made the right call. I'm suuuuuure all you Packer farks would be screaming just as loudly if the call had gone the other way on the field and the NFL called it a bad call after the fact. No, you don't care about the call being right, you just care about your team winning.


In all fairness, they also said that OPI should've been called, which would've made it a moot point.

/Not a Packers fan
 
2012-09-26 09:33:01 PM  

rcantley: We get it, the refs are bad.

If you have such a problem with it, stop watching the NFL. If not, then shut the fark up.


Why do you hate America?
 
2012-09-26 09:37:42 PM  

Shaggy_C: The NFL reviewed it and said they made the right call. I'm suuuuuure all you Packer farks would be screaming just as loudly if the call had gone the other way on the field and the NFL called it a bad call after the fact. No, you don't care about the call being right, you just care about your team winning.


Technically, they said the review was accurate, in that they did not have enough evidence to overturn the call (and they said that the possession WAS reviewable, which contradicted the announcers).

Which is, of course, bullshiat, and many many people (including long-time regular/retired officials) NOT EMPLOYED BY THE NFL are saying just as much. Tate never established possession. Ever. The "rule" was applied correctly if the circumstances existed (which is what the NFL is trying to imply), BUT THERE WAS NO SIMULTANEOUS POSSESSION, so the rule should have not been applied.
 
2012-09-26 09:43:33 PM  

Shaggy_C: The NFL reviewed it and said they made the right call. I'm suuuuuure all you Packer farks would be screaming just as loudly if the call had gone the other way on the field and the NFL called it a bad call after the fact. No, you don't care about the call being right, you just care about your team winning.


And, yes, I'd be saying the same thing. Given how the Seahawks were hosed in the Super Bowl a few years ago, I can't help but wonder if there wasn't a tiny bit of pity (or home field/crowd advantage... or having the coach draped all over him) resulting in the call on the field by the official, given that he DID NOT interact regarding the call with the official who was next to him (John Clayton verified this as he was literally right there).

I KNOW why the NFL is defending the call, but I think they're wrong for doing so. But, again, their statements have had less to do with whether or not Tate had simultaneous possession or whether it was truly an interception, and more to do with the rule on simultaneous possession and reviews and so forth. You know, the kind of logical fallacy employed in politics.
 
2012-09-26 09:43:38 PM  
how many death threats has he gotten so far?
 
2012-09-26 09:49:38 PM  

phantomht: how many death threats has he gotten so far?


He lost count just before potato.
 
2012-09-26 10:01:57 PM  
What do they tell fighters and boxers? Don't leave it to the judges.
 
2012-09-26 10:04:10 PM  

eagles95: I'm over it. It sucks and Packers fans like myself got screwed. Time to move on to the Saints. If Packers lose this week, season is over.


Wait until his past as a Florida Election Official in 2000 and as a FOX Executive in 2002 comes to light.
 
2012-09-26 10:08:11 PM  

bhcompy: What do they tell fighters and boxers? Don't leave it to the judges.


The frequency and heinousness of the calls in some of these games have been the equivalent to a boxing referee granting your opponent a sleeping 800 count.
 
2012-09-26 10:08:48 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: In all fairness, they also said that OPI should've been called, which would've made it a moot point.


Seen a lot of those non-calls this season, unfortunately. The players are taking advantage with almost every snap of the ball.
 
2012-09-26 10:13:04 PM  

bhcompy: What do they tell fighters and boxers? Don't leave it to the judges.


Well, yeah, but that's usually because boxing officials are on the take and corrupt as hell.

...oh.
 
2012-09-26 10:20:01 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: bhcompy: What do they tell fighters and boxers? Don't leave it to the judges.

Well, yeah, but that's usually because boxing officials are on the take and corrupt as hell.

...oh.

Or voting officials.
 
2012-09-26 10:24:22 PM  
I don't know if it's fair to castigate this individual. He's been put in this position by the NFL and the team owners. These were the same dipshiats who decided to let go of Referee trainers too. The replacement refs shouldn't have been put into this position untrained. One might think the replacements also have a love of the Game, and are doing the very best they can.

Every stadium should offer refunds to season ticket holders for what has happened. The greedy bastards sold a defective product.
 
2012-09-26 10:34:17 PM  

missiv: I don't know if it's fair to castigate this individual. He's been put in this position by the NFL and the team owners. These were the same dipshiats who decided to let go of Referee trainers too. The replacement refs shouldn't have been put into this position untrained. One might think the replacements also have a love of the Game, and are doing the very best they can.


Here's my take on it:

Let's say the Baltimore Ravens decide to offer me a one-game contract as a running back. I love football, I love the Ravens, and hey, it's good money & definitely something to brag about, so I sign. They put me in the game, I try to pick up a blitzing linebacker, and I get knocked 20 yards backwards and land on my disembodied spleen. Now, are the Ravens at fault for putting me into that position, knowing that I'm an out-of-shape 40 year-old who couldn't have played junior varsity football in my prime? Or am I at fault for knowing full well that I was going to be painfully overmatched but signing the contract and taking the field anyway?
 
2012-09-26 10:37:26 PM  
Holy crap they just spoofed the call on South Park. Parker and Stone kick ass.
 
2012-09-26 10:47:01 PM  

eagles95: Time to move on to the Saints. If Packers lose this week, season is over.


If the game is left entirely to the players and coaches, or even with just one bad call (which even the pro officials do as well), you're winning that game. I see some of teh suck in GB, but it's still less overall suck than we're having in New Orleans. In our defense (lol), we're in the most uniquely terrible position in recent history. Everything in the world is moving against us. Throw atop all that this ref BS and you end up with a Pierre Thomas who scores, but didn't score.
 
2012-09-26 11:13:55 PM  

Harv72b: bhcompy: What do they tell fighters and boxers? Don't leave it to the judges.

The frequency and heinousness of the calls in some of these games have been the equivalent to a boxing referee granting your opponent a sleeping 800 count.


It's still better officiating than the NBA, where basically any mildly close game is decided by superstar officiating, home court officiating bias, gambling lines, etc. The Packers had plenty of opportunities to win, but they kept the Seahawks in the game. Ultimately, it falls on them for not putting more points on the board.
 
2012-09-26 11:16:06 PM  

Shaggy_C: The NFL reviewed it and said they made the right call. I'm suuuuuure all you Packer farks would be screaming just as loudly if the call had gone the other way on the field and the NFL called it a bad call after the fact. No, you don't care about the call being right, you just care about your team winning.


I think it's more impressive that they reviewed it and said they made the right call. I mean, it was a bad call to begin with, but to stick with it in the face of overwhelming evidence that you made the wrong call in the first place really takes balls.

I hadn't actually seen video of the "touchdown" before two minutes ago, and I was impressed. That level of stupidty is truly astounding.
 
2012-09-26 11:27:06 PM  

Lsherm: Shaggy_C: The NFL reviewed it and said they made the right call. I'm suuuuuure all you Packer farks would be screaming just as loudly if the call had gone the other way on the field and the NFL called it a bad call after the fact. No, you don't care about the call being right, you just care about your team winning.

I think it's more impressive that they reviewed it and said they made the right call. I mean, it was a bad call to begin with, but to stick with it in the face of overwhelming evidence that you made the wrong call in the first place really takes balls.

I hadn't actually seen video of the "touchdown" before two minutes ago, and I was impressed. That level of stupidty is truly astounding.


The level of stupidity in your reading comprehension skills and understanding how NFL reviews work is truly astounding, as well. They said the following:
1) The call on the field was simultaneous catch - This is factual
2) The simultaneous catch was reviewable in the end zone, and was reviewed - This is factual
3) That there was no indisputable evidence to overturn the call on the field - The only debatable point, and, truly, there is no indisputable evidence that shows only singular possession, only compelling evidence.

They cannot arbitrarily rejudge the call on the field. They are forced to operate within the rules of the review system, which has specific rules for overturning a call on the field.
 
2012-09-26 11:44:35 PM  
So does that mean we're going to delve into the records of every referee who screws up a call? Move on, people. The guy screwed up doing a job that he's only done for a few weeks. Color me shocked. There's no reason to ruin his life for it.
 
2012-09-26 11:53:25 PM  

bhcompy: It's still better officiating than the NBA, where basically any mildly close game is decided by superstar officiating, home court officiating bias, gambling lines, etc. The Packers had plenty of opportunities to win, but they kept the Seahawks in the game. Ultimately, it falls on them for not putting more points on the board.


I haven't watched an NBA game since...jeez, I don't think I've watched an NBA game. Not on purpose, at any rate.

As far as that old "don't let it get close enough that the refs can affect the outcome" argument, I understand where it comes from and from the athletes' point of view you have to think that way, but wow...really? It wasn't just the last play in this one. You had that questionable roughing the passer call which negated an interception. You had the ludicrously bad DPI call which extended that same Seattle drive. While they didn't score on that drive (and passed on an easy field goal), that had a huge effect on field position which led to Seattle starting from the GB 46 on the final drive. From the Seahawks' point of view, the officials apparently decided to ignore offensive holding for the entire second half, which prevented them from getting the kind of pressure on Rodgers which they'd used to dominate the first two quarters. The final score of this game looked nothing at all like what it would have been after a properly officiated contest, and that's been true of other games this season (Detroit-Tennessee springs immediately to mind).

In the end it doesn't much matter because Seattle got the win and Green Bay took the loss, and nothing is going to change that at this point. But this isn't one of those simple cases where you can chalk it all up to one missed call and blame the teams for allowing it to come down to that.

/The boxing analogy is apt, and one I've seen used in several articles. Given the huge disparity in popularity between the two sports, the NFL would be very wise to do everything possible to avoid scenarios where such comparisons are appropriate.
 
2012-09-26 11:54:18 PM  

bborchar: So does that mean we're going to delve into the records of every referee who screws up a call? Move on, people. The guy screwed up doing a job that he's only done for a few weeks. Color me shocked. There's no reason to ruin his life for it.


You must be new here. Hi, welcome to the internet! :)
 
2012-09-27 12:07:01 AM  
PEOPLE! PEOPLE!! Can't we get down to what's truly important here!? Who's the smokin hot blonde he took the picture with and are there any pictures of her in a bikini somewhere
 
2012-09-27 12:08:16 AM  

Harv72b: missiv: I don't know if it's fair to castigate this individual. He's been put in this position by the NFL and the team owners. These were the same dipshiats who decided to let go of Referee trainers too. The replacement refs shouldn't have been put into this position untrained. One might think the replacements also have a love of the Game, and are doing the very best they can.

Here's my take on it:

Let's say the Baltimore Ravens decide to offer me a one-game contract as a running back. I love football, I love the Ravens, and hey, it's good money & definitely something to brag about, so I sign. They put me in the game, I try to pick up a blitzing linebacker, and I get knocked 20 yards backwards and land on my disembodied spleen. Now, are the Ravens at fault for putting me into that position, knowing that I'm an out-of-shape 40 year-old who couldn't have played junior varsity football in my prime? Or am I at fault for knowing full well that I was going to be painfully overmatched but signing the contract and taking the field anyway?


Funny, we aren't requiring the Refs to take hits as if they're professional players. My take is, the NFL took a huge gamble thinking like every Tom, Dick, or Harv72b, that any old trained Ref could call games because it looks easy. The Refs weren't even thought of professionals before this debacle of epic proportions. From now on, there won't be any doubt. The job is enormous, with a rule book that could choke a pregnant sow. Now, back to the matter of the lock-out; the commissioner and his merry band of cash hoarders called the team owners have ripped off their cash cow[the fans]. It's time to not only fix this Ref situation, but it's also time to pay something back to the fans. You'll notice I left the players out, it's only, because they're property of the league. We, the fans are not their property and we expect more than just I'm sorry.
 
2012-09-27 12:09:33 AM  

bborchar: So does that mean we're going to delve into the records of every referee who screws up a call? Move on, people. The guy screwed up doing a job that he's only done for a few weeks. Color me shocked. There's no reason to ruin his life for it.


I hope I never #$%@ up on a public project. I don't want anyone analyzing the dumb shiat I did.

/also I'm a Christian, so you know farkers wouldn't give me a fair shake. :)
 
2012-09-27 12:15:26 AM  

missiv: Funny, we aren't requiring the Refs to take hits as if they're professional players. My take is, the NFL took a huge gamble thinking like every Tom, Dick, or Harv72b, that any old trained Ref could call games because it looks easy. The Refs weren't even thought of professionals before this debacle of epic proportions. From now on, there won't be any doubt. The job is enormous, with a rule book that could choke a pregnant sow. Now, back to the matter of the lock-out; the commissioner and his merry band of cash hoarders called the team owners have ripped off their cash cow[the fans]. It's time to not only fix this Ref situation, but it's also time to pay something back to the fans. You'll notice I left the players out, it's only, because they're property of the league. We, the fans are not their property and we expect more than just I'm sorry.


Yeah, you totally missed my point. Owners' fault for sure, but the temps don't get a waiver as nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to take the job.

Either way, it's over so we can go back to yelling at the trained professionals again. :)
 
2012-09-27 12:43:45 AM  

Harv72b: missiv: Funny, we aren't requiring the Refs to take hits as if they're professional players. My take is, the NFL took a huge gamble thinking like every Tom, Dick, or Harv72b, that any old trained Ref could call games because it looks easy. The Refs weren't even thought of professionals before this debacle of epic proportions. From now on, there won't be any doubt. The job is enormous, with a rule book that could choke a pregnant sow. Now, back to the matter of the lock-out; the commissioner and his merry band of cash hoarders called the team owners have ripped off their cash cow[the fans]. It's time to not only fix this Ref situation, but it's also time to pay something back to the fans. You'll notice I left the players out, it's only, because they're property of the league. We, the fans are not their property and we expect more than just I'm sorry.

Yeah, you totally missed my point. Owners' fault for sure, but the temps don't get a waiver as nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to take the job.

Either way, it's over so we can go back to yelling at the trained professionals again. :)


I didn't miss your point. I covered it, and kept moving. I guess you missed that, like the replacement refs missed calls.
 
2012-09-27 12:47:21 AM  
Somewhere Joyce & Meals are smiling.
 
2012-09-27 01:01:37 AM  

bborchar: So does that mean we're going to delve into the records of every referee who screws up a call? Move on, people. The guy screwed up doing a job that he's only done for a few weeks. Color me shocked. There's no reason to ruin his life for it.


Fark him, he's a scab. I don't care if he got the call right or not. He's taking a qualified person's job and making a mockery of it. But most of all, I blame Roger Goodell. All his talk about the NFL "Family". He needs a mudhole stomped in his ass, then walked dry.
 
2012-09-27 01:07:06 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bborchar: So does that mean we're going to delve into the records of every referee who screws up a call? Move on, people. The guy screwed up doing a job that he's only done for a few weeks. Color me shocked. There's no reason to ruin his life for it.

Fark him, he's a scab. I don't care if he got the call right or not. He's taking a qualified person's job and making a mockery of it. But most of all, I blame Roger Goodell. All his talk about the NFL "Family". He needs a mudhole stomped in his ass, then walked dry.


Union thug like typing detected
 
2012-09-27 01:20:09 AM  

Harv72b: Either way, it's over so we can go back to yelling at the trained professionals again. :)


If the only thing that comes out of this is that the gloves are off for the regular officials, it has all been more that worth it. When they fark it up, I want players ripping them on twitter without any fear of reprisal. I want to see them crucified in every form of media that exists and that has yet to be invented. I want to see the entitled deference they've been granted, at least in more formal circles, end; forever.
 
2012-09-27 01:49:52 AM  

Harv72b: phantomht: how many death threats has he gotten so far?

He lost count just before potato.


At least he can count to potato. Can you?
 
2012-09-27 01:59:13 AM  

bhcompy: Union thug like typing detected


Naw, I'd make a pretty ineffectual thug. However I was a pressman for 28 years for ten different newspapers, and the last eight were spent in a major metropolitan newspaper and it was a union shop. We accomplished more with fewer employees, made the newspaper more money, and produced better quality than any non-union shop I ever worked for, including the USAToday.

I was treated better (we didn't have bosses, we had facilitators, whose job was to remove obstacles from us doing our jobs), made more money, and had better benefits than I ever knew was possible. I had to leave that job to take care of my mother, and it's my fervent hope that one day I find one half as good. I have nothing but praise for unions, and believe that when dealt with fairly and in good faith, they benefit any company that utilizes them.
 
2012-09-27 09:29:09 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: Union thug like typing detected

Naw, I'd make a pretty ineffectual thug. However I was a pressman for 28 years for ten different newspapers, and the last eight were spent in a major metropolitan newspaper and it was a union shop. We accomplished more with fewer employees, made the newspaper more money, and produced better quality than any non-union shop I ever worked for, including the USAToday.

I was treated better (we didn't have bosses, we had facilitators, whose job was to remove obstacles from us doing our jobs), made more money, and had better benefits than I ever knew was possible. I had to leave that job to take care of my mother, and it's my fervent hope that one day I find one half as good. I have nothing but praise for unions, and believe that when dealt with fairly and in good faith, they benefit any company that utilizes them.


Good for you. I had friends denied basic medication because union longshoremen wanted a large raise on their 6 figure salary for unskilled labor.
 
2012-09-27 10:02:41 AM  

Lsherm: Shaggy_C: The NFL reviewed it and said they made the right call. I'm suuuuuure all you Packer farks would be screaming just as loudly if the call had gone the other way on the field and the NFL called it a bad call after the fact. No, you don't care about the call being right, you just care about your team winning.

I think it's more impressive that they reviewed it and said they made the right call. I mean, it was a bad call to begin with, but to stick with it in the face of overwhelming evidence that you made the wrong call in the first place really takes balls.

I hadn't actually seen video of the "touchdown" before two minutes ago, and I was impressed. That level of stupidty is truly astounding.


What part is overwhelming? That Jennings touched the ball with two hands first? When, exactly, did Jennings have control of the ball? Was that before, after, or close to the same time Tate had control of the ball? When Jennings is still in the air, Tate takes a hand off the ball and puts it back on - likely for a better grip or better control of the ball, but is that losing control of the ball when you still have it in one hand? When Jennings hits the ground, he takes a hand off the ball and puts it back on - likely for a better grip or better control of the ball - while Tate has the ball in both hands. Does that mean Jennings is losing control of the ball? That also happens to be when the refs move in for a closer look and see that Jennings is trying to take the ball away from Tate. Since they see both players with hands on the ball, it's simultaneous possession and by rule, awarded to the offense.
 
2012-09-27 10:04:59 AM  

Treygreen13: FriarReb98: It's called the Inaccurate Reception. Terminology, people.

I like "The Fail Mary" the best.


Yeah...but it doesn't have the timeless ring. I'm sure Myron, god rest his soul, would agree.
 
2012-09-27 10:08:24 AM  
The Fail Mary is pretty meta since it succeeded in every conceivable way.

a) the team that threw it got the score and won the game
b) the ensuing whining helped get the regular refs back

All in all, pretty successful. And Treygreen13, I'm kinda shocked that you wouldn't have the Golden Taint be your favorite description of it.
 
2012-09-27 11:05:18 AM  

bhcompy: Good for you. I had friends denied basic medication because union longshoremen wanted a large raise on their 6 figure salary for unskilled labor.


This is not the thread for this discussion, but in the words of Pete Hogwallop, "That don't make no sense".

My curiosity is piqued; how did a group of (unskilled, whatever that is, were they Samsonite loading apes?) longshoremen deny your friends basic medication by wanting a raise? I need details. It just seems less than plausible, and more than a bit knee-jerk.

You're a smart guy, bhcompy, my Farkie for you has read for years, "Smart and Funny". That post was beneath you.
 
2012-09-27 11:41:46 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: Good for you. I had friends denied basic medication because union longshoremen wanted a large raise on their 6 figure salary for unskilled labor.

This is not the thread for this discussion, but in the words of Pete Hogwallop, "That don't make no sense".

My curiosity is piqued; how did a group of (unskilled, whatever that is, were they Samsonite loading apes?) longshoremen deny your friends basic medication by wanting a raise? I need details. It just seems less than plausible, and more than a bit knee-jerk.

You're a smart guy, bhcompy, my Farkie for you has read for years, "Smart and Funny". That post was beneath you.


There have been various longshoreman strikes at the Port of LA/LB complex in So Cal. That port is particularly important for medicinal imports, and the last lengthy strike resulted in various medicinal shortages in the west, among other issues. They strike for more money(averages in the 6 figures for ports of LA and LB) while they leave certain terminals unused/underutilized because they are too safe(part of their high pay is a result of the hazards of the job) and/or too automated/efficient(reduction in work). I don't have too much respect for them, mostly because they're more than willing to negatively impact the lives of those that depend on the materials that come through the port complexes for their own personal gain when they are already handsomely compensated.
 
2012-09-27 12:04:09 PM  

bhcompy: There have been various longshoreman strikes at the Port of LA/LB complex in So Cal. That port is particularly important for medicinal imports, and the last lengthy strike resulted in various medicinal shortages in the west, among other issues. They strike for more money(averages in the 6 figures for ports of LA and LB) while they leave certain terminals unused/underutilized because they are too safe(part of their high pay is a result of the hazards of the job) and/or too automated/efficient(reduction in work). I don't have too much respect for them, mostly because they're more than willing to negatively impact the lives of those that depend on the materials that come through the port complexes for their own personal gain when they are already handsomely compensated.


Thank you for your prompt and detailed post. And I apologize for the facetious and mocking tone of my previous. My brother has dealings daily with the Port of Los Angeles, delivering solar power equipment to a massive new power plant being built in Prim Nevada. Thus far, he's had no problem with them, but that's anecdotal and means nothing. I appreciate your clarification.

In perusing the Port of Los Angeles Shipping News, the only strike I see is the ILWU Clerical Workers Local 63, who have been working for the past two years without a contract. I see that the Longshoremans' Union has been ruled to have the right to sympathy strike, but can find no notice of them acting upon it. However this also means nothing, as I may just be looking at the wrong source.
 
2012-09-27 12:09:07 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: In perusing the Port of Los Angeles Shipping News, the only strike I see is the ILWU Clerical Workers Local 63, who have been working for the past two years without a contract. I see that the Longshoremans' Union has been ruled to have the right to sympathy strike, but can find no notice of them acting upon it. However this also means nothing, as I may just be looking at the wrong source.


There was a significant strike in the early 00s and the late 00s, and another one in the mid 90s, along with various minor skirmishes. Nothing this decade, but, it looks like the east coast ILA locals will be considering a strike very soon. It's been all quiet on the western front for a few years.
 
2012-09-27 12:19:45 PM  

bhcompy: There was a significant strike in the early 00s and the late 00s, and another one in the mid 90s, along with various minor skirmishes. Nothing this decade, but, it looks like the east coast ILA locals will be considering a strike very soon. It's been all quiet on the western front for a few years.


I hope it stays that way. In my eight years in the union, we never even hinted at striking. It's a big expensive scary step to take. Fortunately, our company knew that they profited by having our union, although if they could have had their newspapers printed in Mexico and reliably flown north, we'd be locked out in a New York Minute. Businesses are so cutthroat these days. They used to value their employees, and treat them like family. Now they treat the producers of their product like a burden. "If only we could get rid of all these uncouth workers, we could have MORE pie!"
 
2012-09-28 01:17:54 AM  

bhcompy: Lsherm: Shaggy_C: The NFL reviewed it and said they made the right call. I'm suuuuuure all you Packer farks would be screaming just as loudly if the call had gone the other way on the field and the NFL called it a bad call after the fact. No, you don't care about the call being right, you just care about your team winning.

I think it's more impressive that they reviewed it and said they made the right call. I mean, it was a bad call to begin with, but to stick with it in the face of overwhelming evidence that you made the wrong call in the first place really takes balls.

I hadn't actually seen video of the "touchdown" before two minutes ago, and I was impressed. That level of stupidty is truly astounding.

The level of stupidity in your reading comprehension skills and understanding how NFL reviews work is truly astounding, as well. They said the following:
1) The call on the field was simultaneous catch - This is factual
2) The simultaneous catch was reviewable in the end zone, and was reviewed - This is factual
3) That there was no indisputable evidence to overturn the call on the field - The only debatable point, and, truly, there is no indisputable evidence that shows only singular possession, only compelling evidence.

They cannot arbitrarily rejudge the call on the field. They are forced to operate within the rules of the review system, which has specific rules for overturning a call on the field.


Ha Ha - you think I follow sports, or that it matters.

/Didn't even know there was a ref walkout until this thread.
//Old band geek getting his amuse on watching you farking idiots lose real money on this game.
 
2012-09-28 02:30:18 AM  

Lsherm: Ha Ha - you think I follow sports, or that it matters.


I believe that most reasonable individuals would assume that a person who navigated their way onto a "Sports" forum, then into a thread clearly denoted as pertaining to sports, and finally typed out a response about a sport, would possess at least a passing interest in sports.

But hey, you showed them!
 
2012-09-29 12:20:29 AM  

Harv72b: Lsherm: Ha Ha - you think I follow sports, or that it matters.

I believe that most reasonable individuals would assume that a person who navigated their way onto a "Sports" forum, then into a thread clearly denoted as pertaining to sports, and finally typed out a response about a sport, would possess at least a passing interest in sports.

But hey, you showed them!


Got you to respond, didn't I?
 
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