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(Political Wire)   Yes, Bill Clinton could run for president again. Just not in the United States   (politicalwire.com) divider line 77
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2012-09-27 12:42:45 AM

StopLurkListen: max_pooper: There is some debate on whether a two term ex-president could run for and be elected vice president.

Actually, no, it's pretty clear.

The Twelfth Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."


Some would argue he's not ineligible. He meets all the three qualifications as stated in Article II, which would make him eligible to be president. He is just disqualified by the 22nd amendment. The 22nd amendment says he can't be elected twice. In this case, he wouldn't be.

It'd really be up to the Supreme Court to decide. Although Clinton's own belief is that he is not able to be VP.
 
2012-09-27 12:43:47 AM

apoptotic: The Thoroughbred of Sin: Actually Mr. Clinton was wrong in suggesting he could only be the leader in 2 countries. He could run for Prime Minister in Canada if he obtained citizenship. I assume this would hold true for most if not all Commonwealth states but I am too lazy to look it up.

/he would have my vote
//damn Creepy McSweatervest

I was thinking the same thing. Canada is a real country, not just the 51st state, I swear! Maybe he didn't count us because it would take longer to become eligible than in France and he'd still have to be able to speak French?

Let's just hope this plan doesn't occur to Romney, who iirc already speaks French.


He could be prime minister, which would be head of government, but he can't be head of state (the Queen). In both Ireland and France he would only be head of state, since the Taoiseach/Prime Minister hold the head of government role.
 
2012-09-27 12:45:09 AM

Bigdogdaddy: I love Bill Cliton. I guess being a hillbilly can be endeering. lol


FTFY
 
2012-09-27 12:51:04 AM

apoptotic: I was thinking the same thing. Canada is a real country, not just the 51st state, I swear! Maybe he didn't count us because it would take longer to become eligible than in France and he'd still have to be able to speak French?


We could bend the rules a bit, right? We don't get many charismatic leaders, but we tend to hand over the keys for a while when we find one. And have you ever met a Canadian who didn't like Clinton?
 
2012-09-27 12:54:34 AM

thornhill: Gyrfalcon: thornhill: Gyrfalcon: Actually, he could, couldn't he?

[checks Constitution]

Oh, right. Cleveland got his non-consecutive terms in before FDR's amendment.

Cleveland only served two terms. Non-consecutive terms could still happen. The 22nd amendment only limits you to being elected more than twice.

If Clinton ran again, he'd have been elected three times (1992, 1996, and whenever he tried again).

I'm not clear--does the 22d Amd. prohibit only consecutive third terms? Or does it allow non-consecutive terms?

The Twenty-Second Amendment:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.


You cannot being elected President more than once. Clinton has been elected twice, so he's done.

The Amendment says nothing about consecutive terms, so if Obama were to lose, he could still run again in 2016 because he was only elected once.


Aha! Got it. I wasn't too sure about what was the cutoff.
 
2012-09-27 12:59:26 AM

StopLurkListen: max_pooper: There is some debate on whether a two term ex-president could run for and be elected vice president.

Actually, no, it's pretty clear.

The Twelfth Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."


Read the 22nd Amendment. If strictly going by the written word, there is no issue since it only affects eligibility to be elected President not to actually be President. It is tied to the debate as to whether a person having served two terms is eligible to assume the presidency without being elected. I would bet that a Supreme Court decision would take a more liberal interpretation and agree with you, but until that case is made it is open for debate.
 
2012-09-27 01:32:29 AM

anoncow: apoptotic: The Thoroughbred of Sin: Actually Mr. Clinton was wrong in suggesting he could only be the leader in 2 countries. He could run for Prime Minister in Canada if he obtained citizenship. I assume this would hold true for most if not all Commonwealth states but I am too lazy to look it up.

/he would have my vote
//damn Creepy McSweatervest

I was thinking the same thing. Canada is a real country, not just the 51st state, I swear! Maybe he didn't count us because it would take longer to become eligible than in France and he'd still have to be able to speak French?

Let's just hope this plan doesn't occur to Romney, who iirc already speaks French.

He could be prime minister, which would be head of government, but he can't be head of state (the Queen). In both Ireland and France he would only be head of state, since the Taoiseach/Prime Minister hold the head of government role.


True enough but what he said was: "There are only two countries I'm eligible to run for the leadership position." In Canada the leadership position is the PM and the one you run for, the Queen is HoS but not ceremonial not an actual leader and not a position you can run for.

Although if we really want to be technical no one runs for the office of PM, you run for office and then become the PM if your party wins the most seats. I couldnt find the qualifications to be eligable for Taoiseach but I would imagine (as andrewagill pointed out) being baptist would be a large obstacle even for Bill.
 
2012-09-27 01:56:10 AM

The Thoroughbred of Sin: anoncow: apoptotic: The Thoroughbred of Sin: Actually Mr. Clinton was wrong in suggesting he could only be the leader in 2 countries. He could run for Prime Minister in Canada if he obtained citizenship. I assume this would hold true for most if not all Commonwealth states but I am too lazy to look it up.

/he would have my vote
//damn Creepy McSweatervest

I was thinking the same thing. Canada is a real country, not just the 51st state, I swear! Maybe he didn't count us because it would take longer to become eligible than in France and he'd still have to be able to speak French?

Let's just hope this plan doesn't occur to Romney, who iirc already speaks French.

He could be prime minister, which would be head of government, but he can't be head of state (the Queen). In both Ireland and France he would only be head of state, since the Taoiseach/Prime Minister hold the head of government role.

True enough but what he said was: "There are only two countries I'm eligible to run for the leadership position." In Canada the leadership position is the PM and the one you run for, the Queen is HoS but not ceremonial not an actual leader and not a position you can run for.

Although if we really want to be technical no one runs for the office of PM, you run for office and then become the PM if your party wins the most seats. I couldnt find the qualifications to be eligable for Taoiseach but I would imagine (as andrewagill pointed out) being baptist would be a large obstacle even for Bill.


He wasn't clear on the matter (not that I expect to see clarity on a never going to happen hypothetical discussion from Clinton). A few points:

1) In Ireland the president is fairly powerless (not as powerless as the Governor General, but quite so compared to the US/France). The Taoiseach has all the power, and that's PM style election.
2) Most other countries pick the real leaders like we pick the Speaker of the House (leader of the largest faction/partnership of the lower house). Our Speaker is more limited to legislative matters, the PM of the UK can really do some serious work without the HoS being involved (or having any say in the matter).
3) France is closer to the US style (powerful president) than Westminster system governments or Ireland's government, so he would have the nuclear codes there.
4) Technically the Baptist part would not legally count against him in Ireland, for example the 4th President of Ireland (Childers) was Church of Ireland.
 
2012-09-27 02:22:54 AM

Evil Mackerel: Bigdogdaddy: I love Bill Cliton. I guess being a hillbilly can be endeering. lol

FTFY


A "hillbilly" who was a Rhodes Scholar and probalby one of the smartest men to ever hold office.
 
2012-09-27 03:31:04 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Evil Mackerel: Bigdogdaddy: I love Bill Cliton. I guess being a hillbilly can be endeering. lol

FTFY

A "hillbilly" who was a Rhodes Scholar and probalby one of the smartest men to ever hold office.


Just awful taste in women.

Seriously, all his ladies look like fat Shetland ponies. Except for Hilary, but she looks like a pony with a bad hangover.
 
2012-09-27 03:42:22 AM
He's put some thought into this
 
2012-09-27 03:45:52 AM
I'd vote for Bill again. Probably the best President of the last fifty years.
 
2012-09-27 03:45:58 AM
I didn't agree with Clinton 100% of the time(not that you should be able to with any President), but I would gladly give him another term over the two asshats running now.
 
2012-09-27 04:18:40 AM

WTFdoesitmatter: I didn't agree with Clinton 100% of the time(not that you should be able to with any President), but I would gladly give him another term over the two asshats running now.


Can I quote you on this? You know, just in case it happens sometime in the future?
 
2012-09-27 04:32:17 AM

Kevin72: The King of Thailand could be elected president since he was born in Massachusetts (If only he could find the damned birth certificate).


not at all true, since there are other requirements....
 
2012-09-27 05:27:38 AM

Kevin72: max_pooper: Je suis de Nouvelle Orleans. Comment m'inscris je?

\clearly I have to work on my Francois
\\I don't think an online translator will cut the dijon

Work on your English first. It's "cut the muster".


Actually no, I think he was right. It is "cut the mustard".

The OED, which is the most complete record of the English language, along with all of the other reference works I've checked, don't record 'cut the muster' at all. The fact that documented examples of 'cut the mustard' are known from many years before any for 'cut the muster' would appear to rule out the latter as the origin.

Came for the [Did_somebody_say_Columbian_prostitutes?_ jpg] leaving all sad and disappointed like.
 
2012-09-27 06:43:12 AM
In Europe he'd have to run as an uber conservative. He'd make Sarkozy look like a socialist.
 
2012-09-27 07:21:36 AM

anoncow: 2) Most other countries pick the real leaders like we pick the Speaker of the House (leader of the largest faction/partnership of the lower house). Our Speaker is more limited to legislative matters, the PM of the UK can really do some serious work without the HoS being involved (or having any say in the matter).


In fact in the UK the HoS cannot get involved, for her to do so would create a constitutional crisis - by convention she can has to sign off on everything the House of Commons sends to her - she cannot say no, and she can't publicly comment on anything political, certainly not anything that would clearly endorse or criticize one particular party.
 
2012-09-27 10:11:23 AM

xria: In fact in the UK the HoS cannot get involved, for her to do so would create a constitutional crisis


A crisis can be easily solved. England has solved problem monarchs before. I'm sure a used ax is on display at the Tower of London. If not, I am sure they can easily find one in a store. ;-)

by convention she can has to sign off on everything the House of Commons sends to her - she cannot say no, and she can't publicly comment on anything political, certainly not anything that would clearly endorse or criticize one particular party.

By convention: it might be beneath her dignity, but I doubt there is a law against it. Of course if she suddenly became a problem, she would be forced out and a new monarch would be proclaimed. If the monarch in general becomes a problem, Parliament would simply vote itself the right to make laws without him. It would be unconstitutional to make such a constitutional change, but in the end Parliament has the de facto power and he does not. Life would go on and the change would eventually be seen as legit: many if not most monarchies don't end via legal means.
 
2012-09-27 10:16:11 AM
President of Kenya then the birthers all explode at once
 
2012-09-27 11:34:59 AM
he should probably run in a country notable for cigars. such as Cuba.
 
2012-09-27 01:09:10 PM

Bigdogdaddy: Evil Mackerel: Bigdogdaddy: I love Bill Cliton. I guess being a hillbilly can be endeering. lol

FTFY

A "hillbilly" who was a Rhodes Scholar and probalby one of the smartest men to ever hold office.


I know , "I voted for him twice and would a third time if I could.
 
2012-09-27 02:21:34 PM

MattyB65: StopLurkListen: max_pooper: There is some debate on whether a two term ex-president could run for and be elected vice president.

Actually, no, it's pretty clear.

The Twelfth Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Some would argue he's not ineligible. He meets all the three qualifications as stated in Article II, which would make him eligible to be president. He is just disqualified by the 22nd amendment. The 22nd amendment says he can't be elected twice. In this case, he wouldn't be.

It'd really be up to the Supreme Court to decide. Although Clinton's own belief is that he is not able to be VP.


He hasn't maxed out his 10 years yet... Imagine a Clinton-Clinton ticket in 2016!
 
2012-09-27 03:37:03 PM

xria: In fact in the UK the HoS cannot get involved, for her to do so would create a constitutional crisis - by convention she can has to sign off on everything the House of Commons sends to her - she cannot say no, and she can't publicly comment on anything political, certainly not anything that would clearly endorse or criticize one particular party.


Umm, the Speaker doesn't sign anything. The Speaker merely acts as the presiding officer to maintain order and enforce Parliamentary procedure. The Speaker's neutrality is important, though, and he stays out of any debates and only votes to break ties

As for the Canada reference, Clinton was saying that in those places he merely had to move to the country and fill out some paperwork. Though it is false in both cases, Irish ancestry only guarantees citizenship if a grandparent was an Irish citizen, though the government can approve exemptions for those with more distant Irish ancestry. And the French law was changed in 2006 such that being born in the Louisiana Purchase has no effect on residency requirements.
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2012-09-27 03:59:55 PM
I would love to start a drive to repeal the term limit restriction, just to watch the right-wing lose their shiat.
 
2012-09-28 11:06:10 AM

doyner: MattyB65: StopLurkListen: max_pooper: There is some debate on whether a two term ex-president could run for and be elected vice president.

Actually, no, it's pretty clear.

The Twelfth Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Some would argue he's not ineligible. He meets all the three qualifications as stated in Article II, which would make him eligible to be president. He is just disqualified by the 22nd amendment. The 22nd amendment says he can't be elected twice. In this case, he wouldn't be.

It'd really be up to the Supreme Court to decide. Although Clinton's own belief is that he is not able to be VP.

He hasn't maxed out his 10 years yet... Imagine a Clinton-Clinton ticket in 2016!


Here's a scenario: Bill decides he's had it with private life, and he runs for congress, successfully picking up a seat somewhere. Dems retake the house, and elect him speaker. Then the POTUS and VP die in a tragic golfing accident...

In this scenario, who becomes president? There is no doubt that Bill Clinton could be elected to the House and chosen speaker. Does the office fall to Clinton, or is it like when an ineligible for the office person is in line, and the job passes him (as it would have with Madeleine Albright when she was in the line of succession, but foreign-born)?
 
2012-09-28 12:53:10 PM

OrangeSnapper: In this scenario, who becomes president? There is no doubt that Bill Clinton could be elected to the House and chosen speaker. Does the office fall to Clinton, or is it like when an ineligible for the office person is in line, and the job passes him (as it would have with Madeleine Albright when she was in the line of succession, but foreign-born)?


That would end up in the hands of the Supreme Court. Strictly based on the written word of the law, Clinton would unquestionably become President (after all he would not be elected). If they made a decision based on the intent of the law, the Supreme Court would probably find that he is not eligible to be President and he would be passed over.

And we shall probably never know since it is unlikely to ever be a real issue, I don't think we will start seeing former Presidents seeking elected office any time soon..
 
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