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(Bozeman Daily Chronicle)   Muslim customer posts question to ice cream company's Facebook page, asking if their products contains pork gelatin. Dairy's CEO: "We don't deliver outside of Montana, certainly not Pakistan." Bonus: customer is from Sheridan, Wyoming   (bozemandailychronicle.com) divider line 52
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2012-09-26 04:03:59 PM
12 votes:
Somehow I doubt that if the person had asked if it was kosher he wouldn't have said "We don't ship to Israel"
2012-09-26 09:15:30 PM
10 votes:
I apologize if he took it wrong, that's not what I meant by it.

Man I hate when they say that. Nobody took it wrong, you said a dick thing, you were wrong. Grab a pair and accept it and apologize properly. It could have even been an excellent marketing opportunity.
2012-09-27 02:02:16 AM
6 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: What happens if a Muslim unknowingly consumes pork? Do they burst into flames like a vampire?


You cannot KNOWINGLY eat pork. and you are excused if you are forced, or this is a choice betweeen that or dying. Otherwise, you are fine.

That's why the fantasies about pork bullets, burying muslims in bacon, forcing them to eat pork sandwich to condemn them to hell, etc.. are all bullshiat.
2012-09-26 04:27:25 PM
5 votes:
Rule 1 of customer service: don't be a dick no matter how tempting it is

/Rule 2 is "Don't be a smartass to newly promoted managers even if they used to be your friends"
//but that's another story
2012-09-27 02:43:17 AM
4 votes:
"Wilcoxon's next 'Flavor of the Month': Caramel Jockies!"

And look for our other exciting flavors:

'Cherry-a Law'
'Allah hu Crunchbar'
'Hamas-mellow Massacre'
'Death to Israel by Chocolate'
and
'Goat'
2012-09-26 04:22:58 PM
4 votes:

scottydoesntknow: "I thought he was making this comment from Pakistan," Schaeffer said. "It wasn't a racist comment... It was just an honest mistake."

Facebook Posting:

-September 21 at 9:28am near Sheridan, WY

Dumbass


Not only that, why the hell didn't he just answer the question? Would it be that hard to just call your supplier and find out? Nooo, he wasn't being racist (or bigoted, in this case) at all...
2012-09-27 02:14:56 AM
3 votes:

Makh: Bigotry and capitalism don't mix.


Unless there is a market for bigotry, and there often is.
2012-09-27 02:14:23 AM
3 votes:
The problem started with Facebook.

Everything after that is deserved.
2012-09-26 11:21:12 PM
3 votes:

scottydoesntknow: "I thought he was making this comment from Pakistan," Schaeffer said. "It wasn't a racist comment... It was just an honest mistake."

Facebook Posting:

-September 21 at 9:28am near Sheridan, WY

Dumbass


It wasn't a racist comment because Muslim isn't a race.
2012-09-26 09:30:00 PM
3 votes:
If there is "pork gelatin" in your ice cream I don't need to be Muslim to not want to eat your product.  GAAAAAAAH!
 
*shivers*
2012-09-26 05:02:41 PM
3 votes:
Apparently, it's hard just to give the farking answer and call it a day.
2012-09-26 04:36:41 PM
3 votes:
It's Montana. He's lucky his reply wasn't "Caveat Emptor, Ackmed".
2012-09-27 06:50:06 AM
2 votes:

TheDumbBlonde: It's Montana. He's lucky his reply wasn't "Caveat Emptor, Ackmed".


www.ibiblio.org

Would have liked to have tried the vanilla.
2012-09-27 02:44:55 AM
2 votes:
Look, the employee said something ridiculous and possibly racist and is obviously a dick (proof: it says Cox in an icon near his name), but it's a farking comment on a farking facebook page for an ice cream company in Montana that no one has heard of, ever. Meanwhile, the U.S. has military presence in like 5 Muslim countries, Fox news exists, Netanyahu and Ahemdinejad and 1/2 of Congress seem to want World War III to happen sooner rather than later, and the President is personally choosing targets for unmanned drones killing people in Pakistan.

But this is what the Internet is frothing at the mouth about? If you want to put someone out of business using the power of Reddit, how about Terry Jones? Or anyone who uses the phrase 'not a friend of Israel.'

We get it, many ordinary Americans are Islamophobic. If you want to do something in response, use the teachable moment you have to have some ice cream and conversation with someone else, don't vote for or support Islamophobic douchebags with some power and move on with your life to do something actually helpful.

/end rant
2012-09-27 02:38:47 AM
2 votes:

twomutts: Before we get all excited, it's probably a good idea to actually read the article. I admit I was ready to start screaming, "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!", but then I noticed this little sentence:

The user had an icon next to the name that said "Pakistan" Schaeffer said. Responding quickly, he said he jotted his response down. "I thought he was making this comment from Pakistan," Schaeffer said.

While I admit Schaeffer's apology was pretty dickish, and he could have definitely replied in a better fashion (e.g. "Sorry, I'm not sure about that, I'll have to look into it. I'm flattered by your interest in our product, but FYI, we don't ship to Pakistan"), I do think he made an honest mistake. He just has to learn a bit more about PR and how the intertubes work, that's all.


Yes and that icon didn't have anything to do with the user's location but probably was his profile picture which he then changed immediately when he got butt hurt. I got an idea why did Abu Jihadi von Boom Boom figure that shiat out, assume an honest mistake and clarify he was in Wyoming. Would that have been hard? Oh noes it's so much easier to go "lalalalalalalala" and call a Fatwa on some old clueless dude in Montana.
2012-09-27 02:22:51 AM
2 votes:
Before we get all excited, it's probably a good idea to actually read the article. I admit I was ready to start screaming, "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!", but then I noticed this little sentence:

The user had an icon next to the name that said "Pakistan" Schaeffer said. Responding quickly, he said he jotted his response down. "I thought he was making this comment from Pakistan," Schaeffer said.

While I admit Schaeffer's apology was pretty dickish, and he could have definitely replied in a better fashion (e.g. "Sorry, I'm not sure about that, I'll have to look into it. I'm flattered by your interest in our product, but FYI, we don't ship to Pakistan"), I do think he made an honest mistake. He just has to learn a bit more about PR and how the intertubes work, that's all.
2012-09-27 02:17:26 AM
2 votes:
If I called and he responded, "We don't deliver outside of Montana, certainly not Ireland" I would just hang up and go about my day.
Alerting the goddamn news about it wouldn't even come to mind.
2012-09-27 02:17:24 AM
2 votes:

bojon: Technically it can come from pigs. After all the processing is done it is called gelatin.


The point really being Muslim, Christian, Jew, or Hindu, you don't want to know where gelatin comes from.
2012-09-27 01:53:25 AM
2 votes:
Bigotry and capitalism don't mix. It's fundamentally stupid to hate your potential customers for superficial reasons.
2012-09-26 09:45:26 PM
2 votes:
Yes, Mr. Farktarded CEO......if you're a Muslim, you must be in the Middle East, since there are no Muslims anywhere else in the world. You've quite clearly got a firm grasp on cultural geography.

*face palm*
2012-09-26 04:58:42 PM
2 votes:
Wilcoxon's next 'Flavor of the Month': Caramel Jockies!
2012-09-27 09:24:46 AM
1 votes:

HailRobonia: nmemkha: Easy tiger, I was merely pointing out the abstaining from pork is wise in world without modern sanitation and food handling practices. Why its was the one of dietary laws of Abhamanic religions is debatable. Before the advent of science, a lot of "good advice" (observational wisdom) about life got coded into religious dogmas. The ancient Egyptians did it all the time.

The food hygiene link to pork prohibitions in the Bible is tenuous at best.


No, its applying rudamentary onservational science:

1. People ate pigs. Some got weird ailments
2. People who did not eat pigs, did not get sick
3. Wizard, "The aligments are caused by the of goat demons infesting pig's magic skull jello!"
4. Schmuck, "No demons for me, thanks!"
5. King, "You know we should write this pig thing down, but make me a hero or something. Also, add a dragon."
2012-09-27 09:22:19 AM
1 votes:

intelligent comment below: TomD9938: The correct response would have been, "There is no god, so who farking cares?".


So you know this for a fact?


Of course... Otherwise I'd be an agnostic.
2012-09-27 09:10:52 AM
1 votes:

Makh: Bigotry and capitalism don't mix. It's fundamentally stupid to hate your potential customers for superficial reasons.


Yeah, all those "whites only" stores in the south went out of business due to not having customers. That's why there's no need for civil rights laws.
2012-09-27 08:56:20 AM
1 votes:

Tabak: nmemkha: Tabak: Coco LaFemme: Yes, Mr. Farktarded CEO......if you're a Muslim, you must be in the Middle East, since there are no Muslims anywhere else in the world. You've quite clearly got a firm grasp on cultural geography.

*face palm*

Pakistan is in South Asia. Also, I'm not sure how people can label it as racist in the article. Anti-Islamic, yes, but certainly not racist, unless he singled out the tribal Pashtuns or the gun-totting Balochs...

Laughable dietary rules should be mocked; good for the CEO :).

In the absence of proper cooking, injesting pork does carry risks. The prohbition originating from a religious dogma that you disagree with doesn't change that fact.

This is if intestinal health was the original goal. Jewish settlements could easily be identified by them not having pig bones in the rubbish heap. If differentiation was the goal, it succeeded. As of now, the prohibition of pork products is solely for the latter. Unlikely as it is, if only for health reasons, what is the point of brining Mr. Sky God into it? Let's shame him out of existence and have a discussion of health, not theology with the morons.


Easy tiger, I was merely pointing out the abstaining from pork is wise in world without modern sanitation and food handling practices. Why its was the one of dietary laws of Abhamanic religions is debatable. Before the advent of science, a lot of "good advice" (observational wisdom) about life got coded into religious dogmas. The ancient Egyptians did it all the time.
2012-09-27 05:15:18 AM
1 votes:
They are farking proud of it. They post it themselves.
2012-09-27 05:11:09 AM
1 votes:
Guys, guys, can't we all just agree that those stories have no basis in reality and were products of an age of great violence and suffering between groups of people needing something to live for?
It's all the same god(s) from previous religions, anyway.

This age is better, we broke free from the cults of the past. Improve this world instead the one promised to you by those writers and editors a few thousand years ago.

Build hospitals instead of churches, schools instead of mosques. Etc etc. Fark your god
2012-09-27 04:51:47 AM
1 votes:

xria: Makh: Bigotry and capitalism don't mix. It's fundamentally stupid to hate your potential customers for superficial reasons.

But the market system is far from perfect, so businesses that practice bigotry against minorities will more often than not get away with doing it for as long as they care to (unless their behavior becomes widely noticed and disapproved of enough by the majority of their customers enough to actually change their purchasing decisions, but that is pretty rare).


As illustrated by:
www.local12.com
2012-09-27 04:07:47 AM
1 votes:

brap: If there is "pork gelatin" in your ice cream I don't need to be Muslim to not want to eat your product.  GAAAAAAAH!
 
*shivers*


You... what? You don't actually know very much about what food is made of do you? Gelatin is a common ice cream ingredient, even in homemade ice cream. Gelatin is stabiliser or gelling agent in a lot of things. Marshmallows, gummy bears, cream cheese, cake frosting, soup...

Shall I tell you what Jello is made of? Go on, guess. The sound of the name might help you.

/Mmmm, raspberry-flavoured rendered pigskin
2012-09-27 03:28:56 AM
1 votes:
Quran 33.5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
2012-09-27 03:19:53 AM
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: What happens if a Muslim unknowingly consumes pork? Do they burst into flames like a vampire?


Quran 6:54 "When those come to you who believe in Our Signs, say: "Peace be on you! Your Lord had inscribed for Himself (the rule of) Mercy. Verily if any of you did evil in ignorance, and thereafter repented and amended (his conduct), Lo! He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
2012-09-27 02:58:12 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
Doesn't the header look funny. When I look at groups and likes on my facebook I don't see the location of the people who posted. What's that little dot between the location and the globe too?
2012-09-27 02:45:59 AM
1 votes:
Isn't the Muslim Facebook questioner [by posting on Facebook] knowingly supporting a business that allows pictures of the Prophet to be reproduced?
2012-09-27 02:35:48 AM
1 votes:

swfan:
Believing the invisibly sky wizard forbade anyone from eating anything is pretty damned silly to begin with...


Maybe so... but people believe what they believe. As long as they don't try to force me to believe it, we get along.
If they're Muslim or Jewish, I cook them a burger. If they're Hindu, I put some hot dogs on the grill. Simple.
2012-09-27 02:34:41 AM
1 votes:
So how long until the inevitable photo op of Sarah and Todd Palin walking out of the dairy carrying 30 pounds of pork ice cream?
2012-09-27 02:29:40 AM
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: What happens if a Muslim unknowingly consumes pork? Do they burst into flames like a vampire?


The same thing that happens when an hetrosexual atheist learns the "chowder soup" he just ate was squeegeed goo from the floor of a gay sex club.
2012-09-27 02:22:01 AM
1 votes:

fisker: The problem started with Facebook.

Everything after that is deserved.


I wholeheartedly concur with this idea.

/"Facebook: It's your own damn fault."
2012-09-27 02:21:34 AM
1 votes:
The correct response would have been, "There is no god, so who farking cares?".
2012-09-27 02:17:33 AM
1 votes:

Triumph: I bet bet the CEO of Blue Bunny doesn't spend his time on Facebook answering questions about whether he makes pig-flavored ice cream.


farm4.static.flickr.com

Blue Bunny already has a product that's popular with Muslims.
2012-09-27 02:16:17 AM
1 votes:

padraig: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: What happens if a Muslim unknowingly consumes pork? Do they burst into flames like a vampire?

You cannot KNOWINGLY eat pork. and you are excused if you are forced, or this is a choice betweeen that or dying. Otherwise, you are fine.

That's why the fantasies about pork bullets, burying muslims in bacon, forcing them to eat pork sandwich to condemn them to hell, etc.. are all bullshiat.


The chopped beef at Rudy's BBQ isn't really beef, it's a combination of all their meats, including pork sausage. I have several Jewish and Muslim friends who refused to raise hell and better yet, refused to boycott Rudy's based on this. They simply continued to frequent Rudy's and stuck to the chicken and other "kosher*/halal*" items. The ignorant minority make more noise than the collective, silent majority.

*That's still debatable
2012-09-27 02:13:40 AM
1 votes:

Barfmaker: I apologize if he took it wrong, that's not what I meant by it.

Man I hate when they say that. Nobody took it wrong, you said a dick thing, you were wrong. Grab a pair and accept it and apologize properly. It could have even been an excellent marketing opportunity.


I second this statement.
2012-09-27 02:10:20 AM
1 votes:
When I was working at the Bellagio, we had some Black Muslims employees who drove management bananas trying to get them to buy only Halal foods by threatening a lawsuit. Even the immigrant Muslims thought they were going over the top. There were a few nights when the only thing we had to eat was cold cereal.
2012-09-27 02:07:09 AM
1 votes:
the proper response would have been "we don't sell our delicious ice cream treats to anyone who wants to kill everyone who isn't just like them, so STFU and fark off".
2012-09-27 01:57:37 AM
1 votes:
In TFA's sidebar there's a link to an earlier story: a history and profile of the ice cream company.

This is a lot of butthurt over a 100 year-old firm that employs 22 people.

FWIW, the second story says the firm delivers to Cody and Sheridan, Wyoming.
2012-09-27 12:18:07 AM
1 votes:
Snark is fine when you know your audience. Customer service is a 24/7 practice. If you snark your customers, they will tell their friends.
2012-09-26 10:55:53 PM
1 votes:
Looks like the Facebook page might be history already.

I'm a vegetarian and would have a question about the use of gelatin, but I don't suppose they ship to Vegastan anyway.
2012-09-26 10:14:19 PM
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: What happens if a Muslim unknowingly consumes pork? Do they burst into flames like a vampire?


Nothing, apparently.

And in my search for knowledge I turned up this gem:

well i agree that you shouldnt do that. but at the same time, i work in an italian restaurant in which we flavor quite a few things with pancetta and prosciutto. (bacon and ham). when i explain tothe person that cannot eat what we have that includes these ingredients, they get angry at me! dont get angry at me because your god said you cant eat it. i didnt make the recipe, i just take your order and recommend liquor! jeez.

Thank you, Yahoo Answers.
2012-09-26 10:01:51 PM
1 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Apparently, it's hard just to give the farking answer and call it a day.


Seriously. Why the hell couldn't he just answer the question? Who cares where the question came from? It was a legitimate question, and he should have just answered it without being a smartass about it.
2012-09-26 09:50:35 PM
1 votes:
What happens if a Muslim unknowingly consumes pork? Do they burst into flames like a vampire?
2012-09-26 09:28:12 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Wilcoxon's next 'Flavor of the Month': Caramel Jockies!


Rocky Road Casbah?
2012-09-26 04:50:51 PM
1 votes:
Technically it can come from pigs. After all the processing is done it is called gelatin.
2012-09-26 03:42:12 PM
1 votes:
being a stoopid mooslim is not the companies problem. pay for your own lab tests and find out, bronze age worshiper.
 
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