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(Quad City Times)   "Socialist presidential candidate not deterred by ineligibility." Calm down, Birthers   (qctimes.com) divider line 48
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2012-09-26 04:37:28 PM
o1.aolcdn.com
 
2012-09-26 05:26:46 PM

RexTalionis: [o1.aolcdn.com image 273x194]


That is one gorgeous socialist.
 
2012-09-26 06:01:56 PM
It's not like a 3rd party candidate actually thinks they could win.
 
2012-09-26 06:16:25 PM
The only person I know who is an identified socialist is an annoying moron whom I'm convinced just likes it so he has a group of people to protest everything with.

She's hot, though.

/csb??
 
2012-09-26 06:19:19 PM

brianbankerus: It's not like a 3rd party candidate actually thinks they could win.


Three words: Instant. Runoff. Voting.

That is all.
 
2012-09-26 06:19:51 PM
She is ineligible. Her running mate is ineligible.

She was deemed worthy of a newspaper interview.
 
2012-09-26 06:21:00 PM
In fact, neither Lindsay nor her foreign-born running mate, Yari Osoria, is eligible to serve.

Where is it written that foreign borns aren't eligible for the presidency? The Constitution merely says you have to be naturally born. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"?
 
2012-09-26 06:25:01 PM

RexTalionis: [o1.aolcdn.com image 273x194]


I'd let her redistribute my wealth!
 
2012-09-26 06:25:59 PM

Noam Chimpsky: Where is it written that foreign borns aren't eligible for the presidency? The Constitution merely says you have to be naturally born. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"?


If only there were a lengthy Wikipedia page on this very topic...
 
2012-09-26 06:26:33 PM
I'd let her redistribute my wealth....of semen.
 
2012-09-26 06:33:58 PM

MrEricSir: Noam Chimpsky: Where is it written that foreign borns aren't eligible for the presidency? The Constitution merely says you have to be naturally born. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"?

If only there were a lengthy Wikipedia page on this very topic...


Lol. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"? "Read this!" isn't an answer.
 
2012-09-26 06:37:51 PM

Noam Chimpsky: MrEricSir: Noam Chimpsky: Where is it written that foreign borns aren't eligible for the presidency? The Constitution merely says you have to be naturally born. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"?

If only there were a lengthy Wikipedia page on this very topic...

Lol. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"? "Read this!" isn't an answer.


Because you can't read, or feel the need to have someone explain it so you can troll them?
 
2012-09-26 06:59:26 PM

Noam Chimpsky: MrEricSir: Noam Chimpsky: Where is it written that foreign borns aren't eligible for the presidency? The Constitution merely says you have to be naturally born. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"?

If only there were a lengthy Wikipedia page on this very topic...

Lol. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"? "Read this!" isn't an answer.


You're a troll account and a terrible one. But just in case someone here is stupid enough to think you have a point.

Link

Now kill yourself.
 
2012-09-26 07:04:02 PM

Apos: RexTalionis: [o1.aolcdn.com image 273x194]

That is one gorgeous socialist.


Nice five-head.
 
2012-09-26 07:14:49 PM

brianbankerus: It's not like a 3rd party candidate actually thinks they could win.


I don't know...you have to be pretty damn loopy to be in the Natural Law Party. Or the Constitution Party. Those nutters might actually think they have a shot.
 
2012-09-26 07:22:54 PM
I agree with a lot of their domestic policies (although they might overdo a few areas), but their international stances don't make much sense to me. I will always agree that war is bad, but it seems extremely naive to think the United States can immediately pull its troops out of areas all over the world. If tomorrow President Obama had the ability to say, "All American troops in any country are coming home NOW" there would be world-wide chaos.

The PSL wants us to pull out of: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Haiti, leave the area around Iran and Syria, and break "colonial ties" with Philippines and Puerto Rico. Not to mention stepping aside and letting 5 million Palestinians to waltz into Gaza (which I'm sure would be totally blood-less).

See! I get called a liberal ALL the time around FARK Independants and my Tea Party friends. I knew I was a moderate.
 
2012-09-26 07:24:45 PM
"The way the electoral system is rigged, everyone knows only the Democratic or Republican candidate actually has any chance of winning," Sloan said.

Yes, the parties that almost everyone in the US would never vote for have almost no chance of winning. Imagine that. So unfair.

I'm going to start my own "double everyone's taxes and make professional sports illegal" party. But I bet I will never win, because of the SYSTEM!
 
2012-09-26 07:28:19 PM
there was a time, people
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk
 
2012-09-26 07:34:50 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: I agree with a lot of their domestic policies (although they might overdo a few areas), but their international stances don't make much sense to me. I will always agree that war is bad, but it seems extremely naive to think the United States can immediately pull its troops out of areas all over the world. If tomorrow President Obama had the ability to say, "All American troops in any country are coming home NOW" there would be world-wide chaos.

The PSL wants us to pull out of: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Haiti, leave the area around Iran and Syria, and break "colonial ties" with Philippines and Puerto Rico. Not to mention stepping aside and letting 5 million Palestinians to waltz into Gaza (which I'm sure would be totally blood-less).

See! I get called a liberal ALL the time around FARK Independants and my Tea Party friends. I knew I was a moderate.


You say that like it's a bad thing.

Seriously, though, and it's something to consider: If the ONLY REASON a nation or nations are acting semi-decent is the presence of US troops...then are we doing them any favors by being there? What exactly is our role? If, say, the only thing keeping the Palestinians out of Gaza is fear of US retaliation, then doesn't that ALSO encourage Israel not to negotiate with them because so long as we are there, it's not a problem? (Merely using your example) That was what kept us in Iraq for many extra years--fear that they would devolve into civil war, which they did. But our presence merely lengthened the time during which the sides did not have to talk or prepare for war, it wasn't helping the actual issues get resolved.

I know the idea of hundreds or thousands of people dying in a war is an awful thing and Americans want to prevent that; but just like running interference for your child all the time means your child never learns to handle problems on his own, so running interference with opposing factions merely ensures they will not or cannot deal with each other alone. Sometimes "doing something" merely makes the problem that much worse.
 
2012-09-26 07:35:34 PM

Noam Chimpsky: Lol. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"? "Read this!" isn't an answer.


If I replied with the answer, you'd still have to read that. Or do you need a picture book and some crayons?
 
2012-09-26 07:40:55 PM

chachi88: RexTalionis: [o1.aolcdn.com image 273x194]

I'd let her redistribute my wealth!


BSABSVR: I'd let her redistribute my wealth....of semen.


I wouldn't throw her out for redistributing my cookie crumbs

ifyaknowwhattamean
 
2012-09-26 07:55:15 PM
Excellent trolling subby.

/golf clap and deep bow at your abilities.
 
2012-09-26 08:20:40 PM

MrEricSir: Noam Chimpsky: Where is it written that foreign borns aren't eligible for the presidency? The Constitution merely says you have to be naturally born. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"?

If only there were a lengthy Wikipedia page on this very topic...


I've always taken objection to the natural born clause's validity at all.
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President

That comma between "or a Citizen of the United States" and "at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" is relevant. Without a comma there, it would say what most people interpret it to say: that anybody who was a citizen at the time the constitution was signed is eligible.

But with the comma, I argue that it says that the "natural born citizen" clause and the "citizen of the United States" clause were both only applicable at the time of the adoption of the constitution. That is to say, some amount of time after the constitution was adopted, that stuff was nullified and there is no longer a citizenship requirement at all.
 
2012-09-26 08:28:00 PM

Cletus C.: She is ineligible. Her running mate is ineligible.

She was deemed worthy of a newspaper interview.


Please stop posting.
 
2012-09-26 08:29:31 PM

Cletus C.: She is ineligible. Her running mate is ineligible.

She was deemed worthy of a newspaper interview.


The media should only report stories about Republicans and Democrats.
 
2012-09-26 08:40:16 PM

MrEricSir: Noam Chimpsky: Lol. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"? "Read this!" isn't an answer.

If I replied with the answer, you'd still have to read that. Or do you need a picture book and some crayons?


He wants you to answer so he can spend the rest of the night telling you how you're wrong.

Linking to something he has to read means he can't do that.
 
2012-09-26 08:48:21 PM
lh5.googleusercontent.com

You can get your guns and your socialism in one stop in Butte, Montana...
 
2012-09-26 08:54:48 PM
Lindsay expects a record number of people to vote for third-party candidates this year "because so many people are so disillusioned."

Look, while I respect optimism to a degree, Obama's been perfectly fine as a president. We still biatch about him because there's always some fault to find and we're Americans, but largely the people that are paying attention to politics don't find him terribly offensive, and the ones that aren't are party-liners anyhow.

That means you can maybe expect former GOP voters to vote third-party, and frankly I'm doubting that they're going socialist.

serial_crusher: That comma between "or a Citizen of the United States" and "at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" is relevant.


Significant in that it makes a lot of people unfamiliar with standard grammar in the 18th century say silly things on the internet? Because that's a fairly normal construct for the time or even for the 19th century, grammarians didn't become giant assholes about minimizing comma usage until the late 19th iirc.
 
2012-09-26 08:55:59 PM

BSABSVR: Noam Chimpsky: MrEricSir: Noam Chimpsky: Where is it written that foreign borns aren't eligible for the presidency? The Constitution merely says you have to be naturally born. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"?

If only there were a lengthy Wikipedia page on this very topic...

Lol. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"? "Read this!" isn't an answer.

You're a troll account and a terrible one. But just in case someone here is stupid enough to think you have a point.

Link

Now kill yourself.


I didn't see a definition of 'natural born citizen' there. Mayhap the founders meant it as two adjectives instead of a single phrase - something like a citizen who was born vaginally instead of through the witchcraft of caesarean section.
 
2012-09-26 09:11:45 PM

Gyrfalcon: MrEricSir: Noam Chimpsky: Lol. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"? "Read this!" isn't an answer.

If I replied with the answer, you'd still have to read that. Or do you need a picture book and some crayons?

He wants you to answer so he can spend the rest of the night telling you how you're wrong.

Linking to something he has to read means he can't do that.


Kind of because Wikipedia wouldn't be here to answer any retort I might have, whereas a poster in the thread who actually believed his answer to my question could counter my remarks.
 
2012-09-26 09:16:17 PM
Hahaha, soshalist!
 
2012-09-26 09:20:16 PM

BSABSVR: I'd let her redistribute my wealth....of semen.


Too bad socialists have Tiny Cocks

i158.photobucket.com

Er, I mean Tiny Kox. I'm always getting that x wrong for socialist names. 

/Kibo is actually old enough to run this year.
 
2012-09-26 09:32:52 PM
She can centrally plan me anyday.
 
2012-09-26 10:04:49 PM

JAYoung: You can get your guns and your socialism in one stop in Butte, Montana...


Knowing a little bit about Butte (I lived there for a time as a child, and visited family there regularly until I reached adulthood), I am unsurprised.
 
2012-09-26 10:39:52 PM

RexTalionis:


Zero Mostel approves!
 
2012-09-26 10:57:09 PM

Noam Chimpsky: Gyrfalcon: MrEricSir: Noam Chimpsky: Lol. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"? "Read this!" isn't an answer.

If I replied with the answer, you'd still have to read that. Or do you need a picture book and some crayons?

He wants you to answer so he can spend the rest of the night telling you how you're wrong.

Linking to something he has to read means he can't do that.

Kind of because Wikipedia wouldn't be here to answer any retort I might have, whereas a poster in the thread who actually believed his answer to my question could counter my remarks.


Like I said.
 
2012-09-26 11:06:37 PM

fusillade762: brianbankerus: It's not like a 3rd party candidate actually thinks they could win.

Three words: Instant. Runoff. Voting.

That is all.


I agree that there are far better voting systems than our current bullshiat, but as long as every congressional district is single-seat, switching to some kind of instant runoff is mostly tinkering around the edges. I'd welcome the change though.
 
2012-09-26 11:10:03 PM
It's all just semantics anyway:

s7.postimage.org
 
2012-09-26 11:14:55 PM

Zagloba: I agree that there are far better voting systems than our current bullshiat, but as long as every congressional district is single-seat, switching to some kind of instant runoff is mostly tinkering around the edges. I'd welcome the change though.


I'd really like to see the House of Representatives move to a proportional representative system, at least at the state level, if not the national level. It gets rid of gerrymandering at the federal level at the same time that it paves the way for viable third-party candidates. Win-win, unless you're a partisan shill.
 
2012-09-26 11:39:13 PM

serial_crusher: MrEricSir: Noam Chimpsky: Where is it written that foreign borns aren't eligible for the presidency? The Constitution merely says you have to be naturally born. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"?

If only there were a lengthy Wikipedia page on this very topic...

I've always taken objection to the natural born clause's validity at all.
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President

That comma between "or a Citizen of the United States" and "at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" is relevant. Without a comma there, it would say what most people interpret it to say: that anybody who was a citizen at the time the constitution was signed is eligible.

But with the comma, I argue that it says that the "natural born citizen" clause and the "citizen of the United States" clause were both only applicable at the time of the adoption of the constitution. That is to say, some amount of time after the constitution was adopted, that stuff was nullified and there is no longer a citizenship requirement at all.


The comma is superfluous. When the Constitution was drafted, commas were used to indicate where one should pause to take a breath. They had no grammatical significance.

We can still debate whether the Framers intended to exclude foreign-born citizens (probably not), but the odds of ever having the opportunity to decide the issue in court are vanishingly small (since a foreign-born citizen would have to either win a Presidential election or seek a declaratory judgment of eligibility before running, and the courts are likely to ignore the latter unless it comes from a major candidate).
 
2012-09-26 11:53:51 PM

nmemkha: It's all just semantics anyway:

[s7.postimage.org image 675x321]


So vote Republican?
 
2012-09-27 12:54:50 AM

andrewagill: nmemkha: It's all just semantics anyway:

[s7.postimage.org image 675x321]

So vote Republican?


I would wager, based soley on the contents of the image, that Socialism is a bit better
 
2012-09-27 03:30:01 AM

nmemkha: andrewagill: nmemkha: It's all just semantics anyway:

[s7.postimage.org image 675x321]

So vote Republican?

I would wager, based soley on the contents of the image, that Socialism is a bit better


Yeah, at least you can hit him with your sack of money before he kills you.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-09-27 08:30:33 AM
The same people didn't complain about the same situation with several other candidates, including McCain.

This shiat needs to be TOTALLY ignored.
 
2012-09-27 10:36:39 AM

Gyrfalcon: Noam Chimpsky: MrEricSir: Noam Chimpsky: Where is it written that foreign borns aren't eligible for the presidency? The Constitution merely says you have to be naturally born. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"?

If only there were a lengthy Wikipedia page on this very topic...

Lol. Who determined that "natural born" means "not foreign born"? "Read this!" isn't an answer.

Because you can't read, or feel the need to have someone explain it so you can troll them?


DING DING DING! You are exactly correct

When will people learn that he's just trolling and start ignoring his stupid ass? Jesus Christ people, just look at the mind bogglingly stupid mouthpoop he deposits in birther threads! How can you people not get that he's trolling??!?!!

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

Well, I feel a bit better now
 
2012-09-27 10:55:19 AM
Hey, when is someone gonna answer my question? Is the question that traumatic?
 
2012-09-27 11:13:06 AM

Noam Chimpsky: Hey, everyone look at me! What the hell does a troll have to do to get some attention around here, eat his own feces?


poor you
 
2012-09-27 12:32:09 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Noam Chimpsky: Hey, everyone look at me! What the hell does a troll have to do to get some attention around here, eat his own feces?

poor you


Clarifying the meaning of Constitutional language isn't actually trolling. It is kind of important to know who is and isn't eligible for the presidency.

You seem kind of traumatized by that basic question I asked, no?
 
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